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MightySparrow:
The 1914 of JW organization is one of the central doctrines being touted by the adherents of the religion. This doctrine and date are not without their own challenges within the organization itself. Many brave members have left the organization willingly, some timid ones, because of shunning, remain imprisoned in their consciousness, and many have been disfellowshipped.

In spite of the clear evidences against the date and scriptures twists and inferences, the Governing Body would rather provide a 'New Light/Lie' to massage the doubts of delusional followers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw1X0JGN8u8?si=Mc6VtkdebNyU_JDp

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chukadiho1:
What will you now say when the worker is paid 170k. Let's continue to keep hope alive. It can only get better

Great100000:
Source: https://newspeakonline.com/oyo-workers-to-enjoy-86-salary-increase-from-january-says-makinde/

“The graphic implication of this for instance, is that government worker on Grade Level 17 earning N170,000 per month will now earn N360,000,” Martins said.

dominique:
I don't want to imagine how the families of the victims must be feeling right now

jaephoenix:
Matthew 7:5
Like I said, the time you spend online attacking Muslims would be better spent actually perusing this clusterfuck of a book called the Bible

jaephoenix:
He has dodged finally
I know Muslims are reading this and know what a clueless dude you are. Next time, read that your clueless Bible properly before jumping out to attack Muslims. Your Babble even said to remove the log in your eyes before looking at the speck in another person's eye

jaephoenix:
Hehehehe lol 😆
What truth did I avoid?
Lame ass excuse

jaephoenix:
Maybe you have comprehension issues. Lemme rephrase…
Both the Bible and Quran are error-strewn books. So there are no grounds for Christians to castigate Muslims, vice versa.
So asking me if a particular verse in the Hadith is legit, is useless.
My point is Christians commenting in this thread and pointing at the Quran is dvmb since the Bible itself is poorly written with errors and lies

jaephoenix:
I'm not here to defend the Muslims. You know I'm an atheist. The point I'm tryna make is that you have no grounds to attack the Muslims based on how flawed their book is, when in fact, your own book is also a sorry mess

Great100000:
Ibadan funfair tragedy: Tinubu orders probe as Ooni’s ex-queen detained, deaths rise.

• Survivors narrate ordeal, hospitals release corpses, Tinubu, Ooni, others mourn


Source: https://punchng.com/ibadan-funfair-tragedy-tinubu-orders-probe-as-oonis-ex-queen-detained-deaths-rise/

budaatum:
You are, by the way, no different from isis boko haram jihadists.

They too force their warped ideology on others in the name of saving them.

budaatum:
Thankfully, buda is not subject to you nor need your protection from your imaginary boogey god, and will have you arrested for kidnapping buda.

And to be honest, I do fear for the children you might go on to have, for I can just about see you doing this in your god's name.

budaatum:
I'm very certain you say this only because you have died and met you imaginary maker and come back to tell buda about it.

If you knew your god existed your entire heart would be full of love for your Nairaland neighbours instead of the hatred you have shown in this thread to those who believe in a different book to your own.

budaatum:
The 13.7 billion years is speculative. Those who came up with it admit as much, so it is rather ignorant for one to believe what those who propose it don't believe. But then, that is not unusual for many.

budaatum:
A bridge is built based on calculations, and you believe the bridge will stand based on those calculations. The calculations themselves are not "sets of beliefs", but empirically tested mathematical evidence based on bridges that have been built and that still stand. You never know if the bridge will stand until you've actually built and tested it.

budaatum:
Humans who live by beliefs are ignorant.

budaatum:
And that is what you would one day do, I hope. Instead of asking me to provide you with evidence, which is you just asking me to preach and spoonfeed you, you will do your own research so that you actually know. And then, greater things will you indeed do than you currently are doing.

correctguy101:
Maybe so the mother can breastfeed the baby 🙄😁

I just dey confused or na insomnia cause am?

Crazy musulmen... 🤣

Smh

budaatum:
You equate beliefs to be the same as factual evidence based knowledge. Things that I believe are things I am not certain or sure of or have not checked and indeed "have no iota of foundational basis" for. One does not "likely" "claim". The fact I said "likely", which was intentional, shows it is indeed speculative. You must please call me very ignorant if I make a "claim" about what might have happened 13.7 billion years ago.

budaatum:
I may for instance, believe I have a billion pounds in my bank account, but as soon as I check my bank balance I would have immense foundational basis of evidence and would need to stop believing and instead know whether I have a billion pounds in my bank account or not. Hopefully, you can see how ignorant I would need to be to be arguing how much is in my bank account without actually checking in order to have foundational basis of evidence.

budaatum:
If I claim to "believe" in the existence of God, I would be saying I am not certain there is God. Its one reason I get to laugh at believers. If I were them, I would know my God exists and live accordingly. And I would expect to be burnt on the spot if I dare not love my neighbour.

budaatum:
Evolution is not speculative biology! There is sufficient evidence out there to show that humans evolved, and you asking for evidence is just lazy of you, since you can very easily educate yourself with Google. In fact, if you read your Bible starting from the beginning and go page by page to the very end you'd even see brimstone and fire God evolving into gentle and meek Jesus Christ, but I do understand that believers find that as hard to comprehend as threading a camel through the eye of a needle. Its the same difficult you are experiencing in evolving your understanding of your own subject in this thread. I mean, do you really believe anyone believes they are going to hell for anything? How about for not loving one's neighbour? Would your god give you a waiver for hating your Muslim neighbours?

budaatum:
The fact is, even you admit that something big must have made something go bang. You call it God, while I say you are filling a gap of ignorance.

budaatum:
Typical believer question, thinking everyone must believe something like they do.

I do not have beliefs about the age of the universe! It was so long ago that having beliefs about it that even those who propose an age call speculative is just ignorant.

Its like believing the first human being was Adam even though the Bible that makes that claim states clearly that before Adam was the creation of both male and female in God's image, and the evidence shows humans evolved from previous humanoids, just as the universe likely evolved from a previous state.

jaephoenix:
Lol 😆
Bro don dodge
Anyway, at least folks have seen youre clueless in your attack of Muslims

advocatejare:
Yeah, it was for AntiChristian. He lied as usual that you fled when every evidence shows that he was the one that fled

jaephoenix:
Maybe you have to pay more attention to your Bible than Quran

Lemme re list the verses in the Bible that clearly states that babies are born sinful. I have posted them before but it looks like you can't concentrate

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned

Romans 3:23
for all(including babies and adults) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Job 14:4,
“Who can produce someone clean from someone unclean? No one can!”

Psalm 51:5,
“Look! I was born guilty of error (sin), And my mother conceived me in sin.”

So from the above verses, are babies sinless or not? And what is the reward for sin?
So imagine a baby dies soon after birth. Where does the Bible say such babies go to?
Again I'm not asking of your view. I'm asking for THE BIBLE VIEW

honesttalk21:
I call your attention to Sunan Abi Dawood 2521 for you to comprehend Sunan Abi Dawood 4717 properly.
Do you accept one and reject the other?

In your usual confused desperation you go on to bring another hadith from Muslim? For what? Supporting your misunderstanding?

Aisha, the wife of Prophet Muhammad, expressed her sorrow at the funeral of a child from the Ansar, who had not committed any sins. The Prophet Muhammad emphasized Allah's divine wisdom in determining the ultimate fate of individuals, highlighting the concept of divine predestination (Qadr) in Islam. This narration emphasizes the importance of trusting in Allah's decree and wisdom, even in challenging situations, and the belief in divine justice, as Allah's decisions are rooted in His infinite knowledge and perfect justice.

You are overtly overbearing and want to lay claim to knowledge beyond you? Is this under the inspiration of Satan? Why not live God to be the ultimate and strive to be of those he is pleased with and enjoy his favour.

honesttalk21:
Does inheriting the Sin of an ancient ancestor you nor your great grand parents ever new in person appear to be just to you? Explain to yourself how and be sure you are so free of it you don't pass it on to your children born and unborn even if you get off it.

jaephoenix:
What is the wages of sin?
Where do sinners go to?

advocatejare:
Opuro jatijati ni AntiChristian, he has emulated Al-Makireena, the best of the deceivers!

advocatejare:
A very valid question. I hope antichristian was able to give a sensible answer this time?

budaatum:
The fact that you mentioned the age of the earth to be 13.7 billion years old is you speaking about the big bang, since that is the proposed date for it.

Here is some learning for you.

What existed before the Big Bang?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-what-existed-before-the-big-bang

Note the bit where it says "speculative physics". As in, they don't know but think that is what might have existed and happened. No scientist would tell you they believe it to be true since they have no evidence for it.

89green:
Jesus is not God is the biggest truth of all time. I like their style, they displayed the banner for a while and then removed it, if you are wise you will understand that God is one and not 3, Jesus is not God.

rolams:
I have promised not to reply you again.

rolams:
From your own meaning right?

Why can't you quote the verses from verse 66 to verse 72. Ok. Let me help you.

19:66
Sahih International
And the disbeliever says, "When I have died, am I going to be brought forth alive?"


19:67
Sahih International
Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?

19:68
Sahih International
So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees.

19:69
Sahih International
Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.

19:70
Sahih International
Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.

19:71
Sahih International
And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed

19:72
Sahih International
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.



Are those men who believed when they are dead won't be brought to live for judgement Muslims?

See the analysis of AI

AI Overview
In the Quran, Surah Maryam (Chapter 19), verses 66 to 72 discuss the theme of human disbelief in the afterlife, particularly the question of resurrection after death, where the disbeliever doubts if they will be brought back to life after dying, while the overall message is that everyone will face judgement and the righteous will be saved while the wrongdoers will be left in Hellfire; this theme is central to this passage and is a key point of discussion in Islamic theology.
Key points about verses 19:66-72:
Question of resurrection:
Verse 66 directly addresses the disbelief of man who asks, "When I am dead, will I be brought back to life again?".
Reminder of creation:
Verse 67 counters this doubt by reminding humans that God created them from nothing, emphasizing His power to resurrect them.
Gathering in Hell:
Verses 68-70 describe how all disbelievers will be gathered around Hell, with the worst offenders from each group being singled out.
Inevitability of facing Hell:
Verse 71 states that "there is none of you but will come to it" meaning everyone will pass through Hell, though the righteous will not be harmed.
Salvation of the righteous:
Verse 72 concludes by stating that God will save the pious and leave the wrongdoers in Hell.

honesttalk21:
Sunan Abi 2521

Narrated Hasana’ daughter of Mu‘awiyah: She reported on the authority of her paternal uncle: I asked the Prophet pbuh: Who are in Paradise? He replied: Prophets are in Paradise, martyrs are in Paradise, infants are in Paradise and children buried alive are in Paradise.

honesttalk21:
Quran 17:23
And do not kill your offspring for fear of poverty. We sustain them as well as you. Verily killing them is a capital sin.

honesttalk21:
Quran 81:8-9
And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked, For what sin she was killed?

1. The baby will not be in hell. Bare in mind that Allah is the one who absolutely says who goes to hell or paradise.

Why are you so anxious about the future without fulfilling your needs to righteousness in the present?

honesttalk21:
2. The sinless infant will not go to hell though your belief says every new born child is born with an inherited sin he knows nothing about.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.

Have you finished shedding yourself of the sin you were born into the world with?
I trust you have even acquired many more.