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The three oldest manuscripts of the Qurans are
1. Birmingham Quran Manuscript
Year Written: c.568 AD – 645 AD
The Birmingham Quran Manuscript contains parts of Surah 18 (Al-Kahf), Surah 19 (Maryam), and Surah 20 (Ta-Ha). The manuscript is comprised of two parchment leaves and includes text from these specific surahs.
2. Tübingen Fragment
Year Written: c. 649 AD – 675 AD
The Tubingen Quran contains portions of 11 surahs.
3. Sana’a Manuscript
Year Written: c.671 AD
The Sana’a manuscript includes fragments and parts of approximately 40 different surahs. The lower text (the original writing that was later erased and overwritten) of the palimpsest contains fragments from several surahs, while the upper text (the later writing) also includes portions of many surahs.
The top Quran was dated to the late 7th century to early 8th century while the lower original text which was overwritten was about 671 AD.

Work on restoration and translation of the lower Quran texts were done in five Universities
Albrecht Noth (University of Hamburg)
Gerd R. Puin (University of Saarland)
Hans-Caspar Graf von Bothmer (University of Saarland)
Behnam Sadeghi (Professor of Islamic Studies at Stanford University) and
Mohsen Goudarzi (PhD student at Harvard University).

A detailed narrative of the history and DIFFERENCES found can be found in the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanaa_manuscript


Muslims have always insisted that there is no iota of differences between the Quran of Mohammed and the current Quran that we currently use (the Hafs Quran)

I am going to present evidences from the TRANSLATION according to the team at Stanford University without saying much on them (afterall, I am not an Arabic scholar)


Question:
1. Which one of the current Quran is the Quran of Allah on the tablet in heaven?
2. How come the Sanaa Quran is different from the standard Qurans in many verses?
3. Why did Muslim scholars tell white lies on the preservation of the Quran?

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Ohyoudidnt:
Indeed it seems you mix up and mistake the several council meetings/debates you had in Rome.

Moses received the original Torah and interceded/prayed for the forgiveness of Israelites in Numbers 14:17-20 without sacrifice and it was granted.

Is it untrue that your Allah attests that this Torah was still with the Jews at the time of Mohammed?

Ohyoudidnt:
Haven shown you clearly how forgiveness is granted by the almighty God without sacrifice as he seeks sincerity and remorse for wrong doing you now wiggle away with inclination to new discourse?

If you were half smart, you would have known that there is difference between forgiveness and freedom from consequence of sin. This is why a sacrifice is made for the whole of Israel (apart from individual sacrifices) at least once a year.

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you articulate in writing not videos the actual difference between the Sana'a scripts and present Quran or the wrong claim of multiple Quran?

I shall oblige you.

Ohyoudidnt:
But before you go there you should see where God forgives without need for sacrifice.

Did you see them face the consequence of their even after forgiveness?
There punishment was to be Disinheritance from God as a people.
Numbers 14:11-12
Then the LORD said to Moses: “How long will these people reject Me? And how long will they not believe Me, with all the signs which I have performed among them? I will strike them with the pestilence and disinherit them, and I will make of you a nation greater and mightier than they.”

Numbers 14:23
they certainly shall not see the land of which I swore to their fathers, nor shall any of those who rejected Me see it.
Numbers 14:29-30 New King James Version
Numbers 14:29
The carcasses of you who have complained against Me shall fall in this wilderness, all of you who were numbered, according to your entire number,



Another proof that Allah is not YAHWEH (It is a big LIE by the Al-Makr that him and our God is the same)

And Allah gave a childish argument
Quran 5:18
The Jews and the Christians each say, “We are the children of Allah and His most beloved!” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Why then does He punish you for your sins? No! You are only humans like others of His Own making. He forgives whoever He wills and punishes whoever He wills. To Allah ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything in between. And to Him is the final return.”


As a father, is it wisdom that you never punish or discipline your children!?

Ohyoudidnt:
How was the clay created? How was the frame of man enlivened?

Is Clay Adam?
Did Allah claim he created Adam or the Clay by Be?

Ohyoudidnt:
Do you diminish the might of your God to having hands just as yours in your confusion about speech made to enable your understanding? Please describe what the hands of God are like.

After you discuss the two right hands of Allah and his shin and his shape shifting

Ohyoudidnt:
Pardon the disjoint in response as you don't keep focus on a line of discourse.

I say Jesus has no siblings given birth to by his sole mother Mary. Do provide verses saying when and how Mary gave birth to other children and stop these far reaching submissions.

Is it untrue that I have given you evidences from the Bible where Jesus have siblings.


Since you are prone to manufacturing lies, from your quran, tell us how Jesus did not have siblings and lets compare bible with Quran statements.

Sometimes you feign of stupidity is amazing:
Only a dumb Christian will ask a muslim how and when Muhammed was born by his mother!





Enough of this so that I can open your new Thread for you on the Sanaa and Warsh manuscripts

SharonLoveth:
How do muslims cast demons out from a demon possessed Islamic faithful, what method do they use to exorcise demons in the Islamic faith and how successful is the method from your own opinion?

Islam have Jinns and not demons.

In Islam, some Jinns are even Muslims. It's like saying that some demons are Christians.

They do Ruhqiya by converting the bad Jinns to Islam as a first option.

Here they will pretend that Jinns are demons to mislead Christians

Ohyoudidnt:
You generally don't even make enough effort at engaging informative discussion.

Summarily though I can tell you that the verses you list about Mary having other children provides no evidence that she bore them. Is this not why you shy away from elaborating as you have no clear proof.

Sharing what you have written in your scripture does not translate to support or belief in it. The point is to show you that forgiveness is obtainable without sacrifice unlike your earlier claim that there must be atonement/sacrifice for sin to be forgiven.

Simply God/Allah needs no sacrifice to forgive. What will he do with the sacrifice?

Is your god like the pagan gods that are said to be hungry by their priests/boka/babalawo?

Why is Islam so problematic that it needs scores of scholars to make any meaning out of it. Of all said, this is your response and deductions and you accuse me of not even making enough effort at engaging informative discussion.
LOL!

I can only shake may head in amazement.

Let me narrow down with you since you want to avoid speaking about your fabricated Qur'ans.

Is your point that Jesus doesn't have siblings?

Unfortunately, the Torah your prophet and Allah claims are from Allah are full of sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin.

Exo 29:14:
"But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shall you burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering."

Exo 30:10:
"And Aaron shall make an atonement on the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement on it throughout your generations: it is most holy to the LORD."

Lev 4:3:
"If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he has sinned, a young bullock without blemish to the LORD for a sin offering."

This is a proof that Allah is satan the misleader. The Al-Makr who Deceive with outright lies and half truth.

Did Allah give the Taurat to Moses

I guess I should remind you of the claim of the Al-Makr

Qur'an 5:44
"Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto..."

You are saying that Allah is the Babalawo requested Abraham to sacrifice his son for him. Afterwards, this Babalawo supplied a ram which was slaughtered as a sacrifice for him.
SMH!

Ohyoudidnt:
Correct my view of the Christ since you claim I lie. You claim I lie but don't recognize my not being a Christian. It is usually heard that Christ Jesus or Jesus Christ will do things which other christ is there?

Muslims will repeat the same lies until they feel it has become true!
SMH!

Ohyoudidnt:
I show you Quran 3:59 with the command of Allah for Adam to be and you deny it?

Just tell be if CLAY is BE or maybe it's moulding is the BE

Ohyoudidnt:
You repeat your fallacy about a Quran copy given to the prophet when the Quran is a recitation/revelation not a handed over book.

How it came to be written is another discussion but for your wrong opinion of multiple Qurans you obviously know the truth and just like to be the broken record player on repeat.

Do you want to challenge me to open a new post for you exclusively to show you the differences between the Sanna Qur'an/Warsh Qur'an and the 1924 copy of the Qur'an from a fraud and liar called Hafs?

Was the Qur'an collected in the lifetime of your prophet?
Was the Qur'an collected in the lifetime of Abubaker?
Was the Qur'an collected in the lifetime of Uthman?

Are these recitations or written Qurans?

Ohyoudidnt:
Interesting that you appear oblivious of
1. Jonah 3:
8 But let people and animals be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God. Let them give up their evil ways and their violence.
(sackcloth serves as a powerful symbol of repentance, humility, and mourning. The context of this verse reveals that the king of Nineveh commanded both people and animals to be covered with sackcloth as an outward expression of their inward contrition and desire for God’s mercy.)

9 Who knows? God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish.”
10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.

The sackcloth is often associated with rituals, however it's true meaning lies in the heart’s condition behind those rituals.

In Psalm 51:16-17; King David expresses that God does not desire sacrifices but rather a contrite heart.

“You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.”

This highlights that true repentance is more valuable than ritualistic sacrifices.

Mark 2:5: When Jesus sees the faith of those bringing a paralyzed man to Him, He says, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”

Where is the sacrifice here?

{1} As you labelled it.

Iblis was able to disobey Allah for several reasons that are deeply rooted in pride, arrogance, and a misunderstanding of his own nature compared to that of Adam.

You disregard the fact that Iblis is a jinn probably because you don't have clear description of this in the Bible. The Jinn like mankind have freewill which Allah or God in his own wisdom bestowed.

Iblis’s disobedience serves as a test for humanity. His role as tempter is integral in Islam; it provides humans with the opportunity to choose between obedience to Allah or succumbing to temptation.

Therein is where you find a problem with your slander that Muslims are slaves. Do slaves have a choice?

The questions were
1. Using Iblis as an example: Is it true that Allah sometimes gives commands that aren't executed?
2. How can Iblis undo his violation of Allah's command as it is in record that Allah sometimes gives commands that don't come to pass.

We can see that Allah is not sovereign in command and that his kunfayakun are sometimes not honoured.
How can this be God?

You didn't say how Iblis can undo the violation of Allah's kunfayakun most likely because Allah's kunfayakun actually isn't worth anything.

Note:
There is nowhere in the old testament where forgiveness for paradise was mentioned. It was always forgiveness against God's punishment here on earth. Only in the New Testament do we have forgiveness leading to paradise and redemption.

It is at least good that you acknowledge that Jesus do forgive sins.

Does any human being have the power to forgive sins?

Ohyoudidnt:
Do you mean that Jesus Christ is not unique as the Christ? Kindly tell me of other Christs with proper biblical reference.

Muslims can tell lies for Africa!
The more he tells lies , the more he believes his own lies.

Ohyoudidnt:
Adam is a miraculous individual that demonstrates the power and will of Allah. The command "Kunfayakun" which translates to "Be, and it is" is a divine decree by which Allah brings things into existence.

Allah says in Surah Al Imran, verse 59:
Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust; then He said to him, 'Be,' and he was."

This verse illustrates the divine command "Kunfayakun" as the method by which Allah created Adam from dust.

Jesus ate food and drank which is a character of bodies composed of earth. Remember too that even the clay was created by be.

My questions were simple

1. Show me where Adam was commanded to live in the Qur'an? Just one place is enough. You enjoy manufacturing conjectures
2. "I am going to create human beings from clay" is NOT a command but a statement of intent.
A command is an instruction "BE!" or "COME TO BE"!

Tell me one thing that Allah created solely by the command "BE"?
It doesn't exist!

I didn't ask you if Adam was miraculous or not. I asked you to show me where Adam was commanded to live in the Qur'an as you had insinuated.
It is clear from the Qur'an (except if you admit that it is a contradiction) that Adam was not created by "BE".
Is it UNTRUE that Adam was created from clay?
Is Clay and Be the same thing?

Was Jesus created from be or by BLOWING into Mary's vulva?

Then you brought the concept of Jesus eating! What a terrible argument from the author of the Qur'an.

Do you not see that this is another proof that Allah is NOT Omnipotent?

Can Allah eat human food without ceasing to be God?

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah created all celestial bodies such as stars, planets, galaxies, light, darkness, water, and air.

Are you sure about this?
Because Moses wrote that YAHWEH created everything and not Allah?

Is Allah YAHWEH?


Secondly,
If Allah created everything, surely he must remember the order how he created things
1. According to the Qur'an, Was the universe created by Allah in six days or eight days?
2. According to the Qur'an, was the earth created before the heavens or the heavens were created before the earth?
3. According to the Qur'an, were the heavens and the earth joined together as one before Allah separated them?

Ohyoudidnt:
Narratives on the historical perspective surrounding the birth of Jesus as presented in the New Testament are not corroborated by contemporary Jewish texts or historical records from that time.

Here your kind of argument:
Narrative about Mohammed was not corroborated in the Torah or Injeel

SMH!

Ohyoudidnt:
The Gospels of Matthew and Luke provide accounts of Jesus’ miraculous virgin birth, but these accounts were written decades after the events they describe.

Here is your logic again:
Therefore, the account of the Gospels are not true but the account of Mohammed written 650 years after Jesus was miraculously true!

Ohyoudidnt:
Toledot Yeshu critiques of Christian claims regarding Jesus’ birth and an examination of Jewish societal values at the time. Through its narrative approach, it questions not only the legitimacy of Jesus’ origins but also reflects on how societal attitudes can shape historical outcomes.

Muslims don't think.

Can you please tell me how many years after the death and resurrection of Christ was the book written?

Are you telling me that it is historically correct that Jesus father is a Roman soldier named Pandera and that Jesus was a sorcerer?

But Muslims have no iota of shame to even bring this up as an argument.

Ohyoudidnt:
Kindly provide explanatory proof of other children of Mary from the Bible and other sources.

I do not need to give you any explanatory proof
Matthew 12:46-47
Matthew 13:55-56
Mark 3:31-32
Mark 6:3
Galatians 1:19
Acts1:14

Does Jesus have brothers and sisters?

Ohyoudidnt:
It may be I confuse with some of your other 'brethren' will try find it in due course.

Do Catholics not use and follow the Bible?

They do!

Ohyoudidnt:
What are you exactly saying?

Do the Sunni and Shia Muslims have different Quran? Is the Quran not the revelation from Allah?

Don't you have over 30 Arabic Qur'ans?

Where is the copy of the Qur'an of Mohammed?
Where is the copy of the Qur'an of Abubaker?
Where is the copy of the Qur'an of Uthman?

How come you are using the Qur'an according to the recitation of a known Fraud (Hafs)?

Why is your present Quran different from the Sanna Qur'an?

Please don't go there.
The Qur'an has been over corrupted!

Ohyoudidnt:
You are aware that كَلِمَٰتٍ; kalimaatin, is plural for kalimah. Will you say Quran 2:37: Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful should be Then Adam received from his Lord [some] Jesuss (plural), and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

Perhaps you need to read and understand Quran 3:39 Allah gives you the good news of John, as a confirmer of a Word from (kalimatin min) God, eminent and chaste, a prophet, among the righteous.

It has been explained to you that spirit is a creation of Allah not an attribute of Allah.
Why are you fixated on likening man to God when nothing can be compared or likened to him?

The question was simple


1. According to Allah is Jesus a Word from Him or a Messanger who carries a word from him?

2. Why do you then call Jesus with the title
Kalimatullah or Ruhullah ?








Copying the attributes of the God of the Jews and Christians does not make Allah God!

How can Allah who is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipotent claim to be God?

Ohyoudidnt:
What is required for sins to be absolved is a sincere repentance and resolve not to do so again. It definitely is impossible to pay for forgiveness with anything.

Quran 39:
53. Say, “O My servants who have transgressed against themselves: do not despair of God’s mercy, for God forgives all sins. He is indeed the Forgiver, the Clement.”

54. And turn to your Lord, and submit to Him, before the retribution comes upon you. Then you will not be helped

Indeed we serve different Gods and it should worry you because your prophet claimed that our God also is your God. They forgive differently don't they?

It seems that Allah seems to enjoy the filth of sin.


1. Using Iblis as an example: Is it true that Allah sometimes gives commands that aren't executed?
2. How can Iblis undo his violation of Allah's command as it is in record that Allah sometimes gives commands that don't come to pass.

Ohyoudidnt:
I am amazed there are other Christ's you now claim your salvation is dependent on however is Christ not associated with crucifixion?

Was Melchizedek also crucified?

Melchizedek was not crucified; he is not depicted as having undergone any form of execution or death in the biblical texts. So how come you christ him?

Muslims can tell lies for Africa!

Ohyoudidnt:
Adam wasn't created by a command you say however he was commanded to live?

Allah created Adam from clay and breathed His spirit into him, giving him life. This creation is a demonstration of the power and will of Allah.

In Surah Sad, verse 71, Allah says when your Lord said to the angels, 'Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay.'"

The speech to the angels is what? The saying or command?

1. Show me where Adam was commanded to live in the Qur'an? Just one place is enough. You enjoy manufacturing conjectures
2. "I am going to create human beings from clay" is NOT a command but a statement of intent.
A command is an instruction "BE!" or "COME TO BE"!

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah wills a thing to exist He says to it “Be!” (kun fayakun) and it comes into existence right away.

Tell me one thing that Allah created solely by the command "BE"?
It doesn't exist!

Ohyoudidnt:
Do you say the Jews didn't question the birth of Jesus?

Does your Bible document any other children born by Mary despite her alleged marriage to Joseph?

If they questioned the birth of Jesus , why wasn't she stoned according to the law of Moses?

Mary had other Children!

Ohyoudidnt:
The Catholics who you have said aren't Christian say Mary remained perpetually a virgin for her entire life.

Another lie!
Where have you ever heard me say that they are not Christians?
The Catholics are no authorities against the scripture. Do you take your religion from Allah, Mohammed and the Sunnah OR from the Sunni or is it Shia Muslims?

Ohyoudidnt:
I emboldened your only God knows severely repeated question and have answered you before.

Jesus is the command creation of Allah in whom his created spirit exist?

Is there any spirit not created by Allah/God?

The word of Allah is the manifestation of His infinite knowledge, wisdom, and power. This is seen in his creation and known in things not seen.

Jesus is a messenger from God and a word from Him, meaning that he carries a divine message and is part of God’s plan for humanity.

Copying the God of the Jews and Christians does not make Allah God.

How can Allah who is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipotent claim to be God?

According to Allah is Jesus a Word from Him or a Messanger who carries a word from him?

Why do you then call Jesus with the title
Kalimatullah or Ruhullah ?


Small questions is enough to expose your falsehoods. Muslims with lies to distort what their God Allah says.

Ohyoudidnt:
Repeating fundamentally the same line of questions would not change the answer.
Very much like doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result.

When you absolutely fail to answer simple questions
Let me ask you a simple question and I hope you will speak the truth
If according to Qur'an 4:171, Jesus was
1. Allah's Word
2. A Spirit from Allah
3. The Messanger of Allah
Did Jesus become the word of Allah , a Spirit from Allah and a Messanger of Allah AFTER He entered Mary's womb or BEFORE He entered Mary's womb?

Did Allah tell you that Mary's egg was used to form Jesus or that Allah or Jibril blew into Mary's private part his spirit?

Simple questions always defeats Islam

Ohyoudidnt:
Is the word a command of Allah?

No sir! Where did you see the word command?
The Qur'an simply says Allah's Word cast down to Mary

Ohyoudidnt:
Is the whole of creation by the command of Allah and under his command

No sir. Even Adam wasn't created by any command!

Ohyoudidnt:
A newly born child is pure and gets corrupted to various degree in course of growing up in the society.

Using your logic ,
A pig is a clean animal until it begins to grow up and eat junks.

Ohyoudidnt:
Why isn't Jesus a direct descendant of Adam?
Because he only has a father?
Is the mother not a descendant of Adam or only the mother being the descendant makes him not a descendant anymore?

You feigned deaf and dumb to the question:

Did Jesus become the word of Allah , a Spirit from Allah and a Messanger of Allah AFTER He entered Mary's womb or BEFORE He entered Mary's womb?

Ohyoudidnt:
How many signs had been shown to mankind and the Israelites before that were rejected or denied?

Another sign is shown in a man being born without a father and you exaggerate that it's something much?

Islam is so dumb?
What sign?

Mary would have been stoned to death for Adultery (according to the law of Moses);if the Jews knew that Joseph wasn't the father of Jesus.

Which of the Jews was an evidence that Jesus was born Miraculously?

Ohyoudidnt:
What have you found and can you then say of Melchizedek? Why don't you also promote his status?

Melchizedek is a "type of Christ" !

I guess you may also need to tell us about Al-Khidr who seems to know the unseen with Allah

Ohyoudidnt:
My definition or the definition from Brittanica.com which you share?

You adopted it as closest to the meaning of the MAY of Allah

Ohyoudidnt:
In view of reason and purpose let me ask you these: are true believers of God not desirous to be forgiven when they inherently or otherwise sin?

Of course, every believer want forgiveness

Ohyoudidnt:
Do you now say believers because they believe are perfect not to sin?.

All have sinned including believers and thus unfit to be with God

Ohyoudidnt:
Is God not willing and happy to forgive when the errant sincerely repents?

Forgiveness is NEVER free my dear. Someone has to pay for the consequences of the offence.

If I bash your car and the brake lights and bumper got damaged and you forgave me: do you think the forgiveness is free?

If you accidentally slapped Tinubu (a human being like you and me) in public and he decides to forgive you, has the forgiveness UNDONE the fact that the commander in chief of Nigeria was slapped?

God is willing to forgive humans because of His love for them, but God's integrity cannot also be compromised. Hence, God must execute His Justice even in forgiveness: this is the purpose of a RANSOM. You are forgiven because the Forgiver paid your Fine

Sin is trivial in Islam, so I understand your predicament.

Riyad as-Salihin 423
Abu Ayyub Khalid bin Zaid (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Were you not to commit sins, Allah would create people who would commit sins and ask for forgiveness and He would forgive them

Allah seems to enjoy when people violate his kunfayakun as long as he receives their worship.

Please compare with this:

1 Peter 1:15-17
15 But as he (God) who have called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of your conducts; 16 Because it is written, (God said) Be ye holy; for I am holy.
We definitely serve different Gods.

Ohyoudidnt:
Then in Surah Anam vs 164 -- no one shall bear the burden of another-- do you not clearly see that the burden of sin of one cannot be born by another so the issue of ransoming with other persons/beings doesn't arise.

Or do you say the forgiveness of Allah or the God you worship is so limited that in order to forgive and save some he has to transfer their wrong to others?


The verses Quran 57:15; 5:36, 70:11 and 3:91 show that it is impossible to ransom or you have difficulty comprehending that too?

It seems that Allah seems to enjoy the filth of sin.


1. Using Iblis as an example: Is it true that Allah sometimes gives commands that aren't executed?
2. How can Iblis undo his violation of Allah's command as it is in record that Allah sometimes gives commands that don't come to pass.



Islam must be a bundle of contradictions where we cherry pick what we like as doctrine.

Sunan Abi Dawud 3966
Amr ibn Abasah, said that Marrah ibn Ka'b said:
I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: If anyone emancipates a Muslim slave, that will be his ransom from Jahannam.


Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'

Sunan Ibn Majah 3014
It was narrated from Ibn Musayyab that ‘Aishah said that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “There is no day on which Allah ransoms more slaves from the Fire than the Day of ‘Arafah. He draws closer and closer, then He boasts about them before the angels and says: ‘What do these people want?’”

Sunan Ibn Majah 2522
It was narrated that Shurahbil bin Simt said:
I said to Ka'b bin Murrah, tell us a Hadith from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), but be careful. He said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: “Whoever frees a Muslim man, he will be his ransom from the Fire; each of his bones will suffice (as a ransom) for each of his bones. Whoever frees two Muslim women, they will be his ransom from the Fire; each of their two bones will suffice (as a ransom) for each of his bones.”

You said:

Or do you say the forgiveness of Allah or the God you worship is so limited that in order to forgive and save some he has to transfer their wrong to others?

This is actually TRUE only of Islam. Is it untrue that the sins of Muslims are transferred unto the Christians and Jews.

In Christianity, God Himself through Christ Jesus bears our burden of sin.
John 1:29
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Ohyoudidnt:
With your statements of desecration of God do you imply man's actions in any way affect this nature?

Islam doesn't understand the seriousness of SIN. Let me explain it again

Sin is that that causes the Kunfayakun of God to FAIL!

Remove the Kunfayakun of God, He ceases to be God.

It is extremely serious if God says BE and it isn't
It is extremely serious to violate Gods integrity.

Ohyoudidnt:
Does Malachi 3:6, “For I am the Lord, I do not change; therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.” not emphasizes that God’s character remains constant regardless of human behavior or circumstances?

The bible says that God made provision for this even before He created anything.

God created a creatures who He gave powers to say NO to His will and Command. BUT God also created a place called Hell for permanently and eternally discarding such individuals. Thus anyone who violates God's integrity is cut-off from Himself: this is what is called the lake of fire.

Let me ask you a question:
When Allah commanded the angels to prostrate to Adam, was this command fulfilled by Iblis?
But Allah is supposed to be the almighty king of the universe: If everyone decides not to obey any command of Allah with no consequence, would he remain the sovereign almighty?

Ohyoudidnt:
You also make reference to Abraham, his son and the ram but do not state what sin Abraham or his son were guilty of requiring a sacrifice for atonement.

Not every sacrifice is for sin in the bible.
My emphasis was on God providing a ransom for Abraham's son

Ohyoudidnt:
Is your concept of God such that you feel he unjustly makes every born human inherit a sin he or she played no role in?

You did not commit sin with Adam nor did you play any role in it in paradise, how come you are here on earth (also driven out of paradise with Adam)?

Is this unjust by God?

Ohyoudidnt:
Jesus was not a descendant of Adam but a descendant of one (Mary) who is a descendant of Adam? How do you turn on and off the principles of logic whimsically?

Even according to the Qur'an, Jesus existed before entering into Mary.

Qur'an 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He cast down unto Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

Let me ask you a simple question and I hope you will speak the truth
If according to Qur'an 4:171, Jesus was
1. Allah's Word
2. A Spirit from Allah
3. The Messanger of Allah
Did Jesus become the word of Allah , a Spirit from Allah and a Messanger of Allah AFTER He entered Mary's womb or BEFORE He entered Mary's womb?

Did Allah tell you that Mary's egg was used to form Jesus or that Allah or Jibril blew into Mary's private part his spirit?

Qur'an 66:12
And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).


This should answer your question: is Jesus a direct descendant of Adam and Eve?

Ohyoudidnt:
As pointed out before

The excuse of Your definition 8 failed miserably sir because you must have both a REASON and a PURPOSE for definition 8 to hold

The purpsoes in Qur'an 48:2-3 are
a. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future,
b. that Allâh may help you with strong help.

Can you show me the REASON for these PURPOSE from Quran 48:2-3?
The above example show that your err sir. You are just clutching on straws which will not save you.

Ohyoudidnt:
I have noticed you typing (exact translation) in front of quite a number of the verses yet you ignore the fact that translating Arabic to English presents numerous challenges that often prevent a direct, word-for-word translation.

This is because there are:

1. Linguistic differences which stem from the fact that Arabic and English belong to different language families, which results in significant linguistic disparities.

2. The grammatical rules governing sentence construction differ significantly between the two languages. This is exhibited in verb forms
where Arabic verbs are conjugated based on gender and number, while English verbs do not change form as extensively.
(May, shall, will are also classified as modal verbs)

Structural differences in the sentence order can lead to confusion if translated directly without adjustment.

Language is deeply intertwined with culture; thus, cultural nuances play a crucial role in translation. For example Many phrases in Arabic carry cultural significance that may not have a direct equivalent in English. For instance, idioms like “break a leg” cannot be translated literally into Arabic without losing their intended meaning or vice versa.

Arabic words may have multiple meanings depending on context.

The lack of standardisation where there isn’t always a universally accepted term for specific concepts due to historical and educational factors.

Do you now not see why it is wrong that you apply your rules from English language to the efforts of translators from Arabic to English?


Are you aware that equivalent is the which term refers to something that has the same value, function, or meaning as another item but may not be identical in form or appearance? For example, two currencies can be equivalent if they have the same purchasing power, even though they are different currencies.

Are you also aware that exact the adjective denotes precision and accuracy. When something is described as exact, it means that it is completely correct or true without any deviation. For instance, an exact measurement would indicate a specific quantity without approximation.

In translation, an equivalent word may convey the same meaning but not necessarily carry the same connotations or cultural significance while an exact translation aims to replicate both meaning and nuance as closely as possible .

You see why?

Regarding the YouTube video.

1. I used the word exact translation to convey the truthfulness of the translation which is different form some of your scholars translation. For instance, some of your scholars translated RUH as SOUL when even in context, the RUH should be SPIRIT.
For example:
Did Allah breathe of his SOUL into Adam?

2. You seem not to realise that Arabic and Hebrew are both similar Semitic languages: Thus how many times do we see Christians or Jews complaining of translation issues in their scripture? Muslims are deliberately mistranslating the words of Allah in order that it will agree with the consensus of your scholars.
3. Better words exist in Arabic to convey your preferred Islamic narrative if that was the objective of Allah.
Are you saying that Allah was unaware of Arabic words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an)?

Ohyoudidnt:
You obviously fail to understand that the concept of a ransom is used in the context of atonement to describe the payment made to free someone from captivity or sin. Allah's forgiveness being the actual ransom.

Exactly, if God MUST punish any violation of His Integrity, only a ransom will save us from the punishment of the Fire of Hell.
What will be your ransom on that day Mr Ohyoudidnt?

Ohyoudidnt:
I do however acknowledge disparity of views regarding the Hadith you quote but why go to hadith?

The Quran in Surah Aham verse 164 has a meaning translated as "And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And if a heavily laden soul calls [another] to [carry some of] its load, nothing of it will be carried, even if he should be a close relative. You can only warn those who fear their Lord unseen and have established prayer. And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to Allah is the [final] destination.

Why do I quote the hadiths?
Because, Your religion is not complete without the Hadith of Mohammed.
Is it untrue that Allah command you in the Qur'an to obey both him and Mohammed?

Secondly, many times you even take the words of Mohammed even against and above the words of Allah.

Thirdly, Allah did not say there would be no ransom from the Fire of Hell. What Allah says is that he would not accept ANY ransom from disbelievers

Qur'an 57:15
So no ransom will be accepted of you on this day, or of those who refused to believe. Hell will be your refuge and the only friend -- and how evil a destination!"

Qur'an 5:36
As for unbelievers, if they possess the riches of the whole earth, and two times more, and offer it as ransom for release from the torments of the Day of Resurrection, it will not be accepted from them, and their punishment will surely be painful.

Qur'an 70:11
Though within sight of one another. The sinner would like to ransom himself from the torment of that Day by offering his sons

Qur'an 3:91
From those who deny and die disbelieving will never be accepted an earthful of gold if proferred by them as ransom. For them is grievous punishment, and none will help them.

This is very consistent with your hadith sir. Ransom will only be for the believing Muslims with Jews and Christians.


Contrary to your opinion Qur'an 6:164 that this is about ransom, it isn't. Your Tafsirs ( Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi) agree that the meaning is that everyone will carry his own sins. Eg. A father will not be punished for the sins of his wife or child. This is why EACH Muslim will be individually ransomed (with a Christian or Jew)

Have you ever wondered why your ransom from the fire would not be the worst of Idolaters and unbelievers but Christians and Jews?

Qur'an 6:164
Say: 'Shall I seek someone other than Allah as Lord when He is the Lord of everything? ' Everyone will bear the consequence of what he does, and no one shall bear the burden of another. Thereafter, your return will be to your Lord, whereupon He will let you know what you disagreed about

madridguy:
The Taliban government must fish out the bastards and discipline them accordingly.

I can see some empty head using this news to throw jab at Islam, you are free to say whatever that suits you for likes and shares but ISLAM frown at rape and you can see how Muslim countries have been treating rapist..

The Taliban's right hand had possessed the woman, therefore, it is lawful sex for them.

Is this not the Quran?

Ohyoudidnt:
Salvation rescues believers from the ultimate penalty of sin, which is death (Matthew 25:46).
It also provides liberation from the power of sin in this life, allowing believers to live in accordance with God’s will (Romans 6:14)

When God forgives us, He wipes our sins off the record as if they never existed (Psalm 103:12). Forgiveness allows for reconciliation between God and humanity, restoring what was lost due to sin.

The Bible teaches that one cannot attain salvation without first receiving forgiveness for their sins. Acts 26:18 emphasizes that salvation involves turning people from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God so that they may receive forgiveness.

In Luke 1:77, John the Baptist speaks about giving knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of sins. This indicates that understanding one’s need for forgiveness is crucial for grasping the concept of salvation.

While forgiveness addresses past sins by erasing them, salvation secures the future by ensuring no longer being under condemnation. They work together; without forgiveness, there can be no true experience of salvation.

Unfortunately, you seem not to know that it is a spiritual law that Sin MUST be Punished and worse of all, you seem not to know the gravity of sin.

Sin is Desecration of the Integrity of God. Sin is the Violation of Gods Integrity.

Let me explain:
Gods integrity is likened to the Kunfayakun of God.

Gods integrity is that WHATEVER he COMMANDS is executed IMMEDIATELY and PERFECTLY: Sin is the Exercise of your WILL against the ORDER and COMMAND of God.

When God Commands you: "Do not commit Adultery!"
and you went ahead to commit Adultery have you not made God's command to fall to the ground?

How do you atone / pay for your sin against God?


This is the reason why God allows a SUBSTITUTE or RANSOME for your Sin .
This is the essence of Sacrifice for Sin.

For you Muslims,
Jews and Christians are your ransom from Hell Fire
For us Christians,
Jesus is our Ransom from Hell Fire!

Jesus is the LAMB of God to take away the Sin of everyone in the world (who believe in His sacrifice)
Read your Quran:
Who provided the Lamb or Ram that was used to Ransome the son of Abraham?
Why did God provide a ransom for Abraham's son: why he didn't just say that Abraham should go?

Every human being is born a sinner: this is the nature we all inherited from Adam.
This is why Jesus was not a descendant of Adam for he would have also inherited the nature of sin like the rest of us.

Do you have any Idea why Jesus was given to mankind in Islam?
No!

John 3:1-19
1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. 2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”
3Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born?”
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
12If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man. 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
19 And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”

In the Time of Moses in the Taurat,
Everyone who Believed in God's solution did NOT die but Lived Numbers 21:8-9 , those who think they have their own solution died.

Jesus said: Exactly like Moses raise up the snake in the wilderness, so also He would be raised up: anyone who believes in God's solution will not perish but have his eternal life with God in Paradise




But, how can you be ransomed with the perfect sacrifice when Islam DENIES the crucifixion of Jesus Christ?
How can you be Born Again when you reject the Message of Jesus Christ?

You seem not to know why God instituted the ordinance of Sacrifice especially for sin and you don't care!
If you claim that Moses is a Muslim, why do you reject the details of the Religion of Moses?

I will do my best to show you the way!
If you seek for the Truth, the Truth will set you Free!

Ohyoudidnt:
From your submissions with the brittanica.com definitions do you not have as point 8 the definition:

8
formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something
We exercise so that we may [=will] be strong and healthy. [=we exercise in order to be strong and healthy]
I work hard so that my family may [=will] [/b]not go hungry.
be that as it may formal

The above says old fashioned and if you will be sincere and truthful isn't the Quran an old revelation even if in arabic language?

Have you not accepted that there isn't always a hundred percent accurate and correct translation of words from one language to another?

Is this not due to innate peculiarities and nuances that are not as easy to translate from one language to another?

Of course you turn a blind eye to:

[b]لِّيَغْفِرَ is derived from the root verb ghafara, which means “to forgive” or “to pardon.”
The prefix لـ (li) indicates purpose or intention, often translated as “in order to” or “so that.”
The form yagfiru is the imperfect tense (present/future) of the verb, specifically in the third person masculine singular form.
When combined, li yaghfiru translates to “so that He may forgive” or “in order for Him to forgive.”

Is it that you cannot recognise the Arabic word in the verse Q48:2 you refer to?

Of course you never saw and read:

Like a drowning man, you are clutching up to straws to deliver you unfortunatley, you are still in the peril of sinking as the straws cannot deliver you.

8 formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something
Examples:
We exercise so that we may be strong and healthy.
I work hard so that my family may not go hungry.

In the two examples above,
the REASONS are in colour RED
the PURPOSE are in colour BLUE

For number 8 to refer to the MAY of your Allah, these two conditions must be clearly elucidated. Here is your verse again

Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

The purpsoes in Qur'an 48:2-3 are
a. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future,
b. that Allâh may help you with strong help.

Can you show me the REASON for these PURPOSE from Quran 48:2-3?
The above example show that your err sir. You are just clutching on straws which will not save you.

I asked you:
Since arabic has the equivalent of the English word SHALL, and Allah could have used it but he didn't: now we are stuck with his inability to guarantee forgiveness for Mohammed.
Are words like words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an) not Arabic?

Do you agree that Allah could have used in place of MAY, words like WILL, SHALL, MUST or SHOULD

Ohyoudidnt:
Perhaps you also need to be told that being separate from Allah points to the spirit not being an attribute of Allah.

The fundamental problem is your focus in likening the creation of Allah to Allah himself yet you forget that there is nothing like Allah and nothing can be compared or likened to him.
But in Oneness, Iblis is not different from Allah
How many Iblis exist? And Is Iblis not the god of some people?
In Omnipresence, Iblis is not different from Allah
Allah is upon his throne which is above the seven heavens, thus he isn't everywhere
In Omnipotence, Iblis is not different from Allah
Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be the Almighty?: No!
Can Allah have a son without having a consort or girlfriend? No! But Mary had a son without a man

You said : Perhaps you also need to be told that being separate from Allah points to the spirit not being an attribute of Allah.
Example: Using your logic
The Word of Allah is separate from Allah, therefore, it is not an attribute of Allah



[quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=131055204]In Islam, attributes (sifaat) refer to the qualities or characteristics that define Allah’s nature. These attributes are unique to Allah and do not share any similarity with created beings. The essence of Allah is distinct from His creation, and thus, any description or attribute ascribed to Him must align with this understanding.

The term “spirit” in Islamic texts often refers to a created entity rather than an intrinsic quality of Allah. For instance, when discussing the creation of Adam, it is stated that Allah breathed His spirit into him:

Qur’an 15:29: “So when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him [lit. ‘My soul’], then fall down prostrating yourselves unto him.”

This verse indicates that the spirit is something bestowed upon Adam, marking his distinction as a living being rather than an attribute inherent to Allah Himself.

The Breath of Allah, it is not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an or Hadith as an attribute of Allah.

When referring to the “breath” of Allah, it is important to recognize that this expression signifies an act of creation rather than a characteristic that defines His essence. The act of breathing life into Adam or sending His spirit does not imply that these actions reflect a divine attribute but rather demonstrate His creative power.

Scholars such as Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn al-Qayyim have articulated that mentioning something in conjunction with Allah does not equate it to being an attribute of His divine nature. They emphasize that terms like “the spirit of Allah” should be understood in context.

Let me go with you that the Spirit is NOT an attribute of Allah but a creation of Allah.
If this is true, you have a serious problem

If we accept that Jibril is a spirit created by Allah and Jesus is a spirit created by Allah,
we get the conclusion that a spirit is a LIVING BEING (we have two solid examples from the Quran itself)

1. Is Islam saying that Allah breath a LIVING BEING into Adam?
2. Is Adam is Spirit?

You Muslims are more knowledgeable than Allah, why?
You manufacture conjectures that Allah himself did no manufacture. This is the best you can know about the spirit according to Mohammed and Allah about the spirit is found in Quran 17:85

Again: this is the words of Allah
Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

Why is Allah words difficult to follow?
Why must it be re-interpreted by your scholars to follow their standard islamic narratives?

If the spirit is something Allah claims he blows into Adam, how can it be living being?

BTW; Party of the confusion in Islam:
Angels are not spirits AND Jibril is and Angel, therefore Jibril cannot be a Spirit!


Quran 17:85
They ask you ˹O Prophet˺ about the spirit. Say, “Its nature is known only to my Lord, and you ˹O humanity˺ have been given but little knowledge.”

Did you ask the people of the Book? No you wouldn't, because it is an obvious lie that you claim that their God is also your own Allah.

Ohyoudidnt:
Did I hide away from showing different meaning of the word May?

Did I not ask you to see the context of the use of the word in sentences?

The variable meanings with regards to first second and third person?

If a word is commonly used for something does it eliminate other uses from being correct?

For one who is unable to adequately comprehend English language with regards it's tenses, nuances and form of usage it is great to see you promote to an expert to define what is or Isn't a blunder.

Did your own eventual submission of a dictionary definition of ambiguous not show that it means multiple meanings?

You are not submitting the people meaning of what is quoted from the shema in Jewish.

In any case it's been the usual never ending merry go round with your refusal to see accept the truth arguing like the Pharisees

You seem to have a short memory

Remember that i said to you:
Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as
MAY =have permission to
MAY =used to express a wish or desire
MAY =used to express purpose
[i]-He will do the job come what may!

Even though mundane, we have to ask you
Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION , a WISH or a POSSIBILITY or a PURPOSE ).

Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?

Remember that you also said:

Ohyoudidnt:
.......
As discussed earlier the context and meaning of may used here is that Allah will forgive sins in the future on earth and on judgement day

Permission isn't within the context of use

There is only one Allah and this agrees with the definition and meaning of the arabic word. The Allah that prophet Muhammad and all other prophets worship who sent them worship and all sincere believers.

The guarantee of forgiveness is in numerous verses such as Quran 8:33; 48:2; 3:135 to name a few.

Since it seems you have eliminated one of the three options in definition, we can revise the question as
Which of these two is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a WISH or a POSSIBILITY ).

BUT,
since arabic has the equivalent of the English word SHALL, and Allah could have used it but he didn't: now we are stuck with his inability to guarantee forgiveness for Mohammed.
Are words like words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an) not Arabic?

Do you agree that Allah could have used in place of MAY, words like WILL, SHALL, MUST or SHOULD


Here is a wider dictoinary you can use

Britannica Dictionary definition of MAY
[modal verb]
1
— used to indicate that something is possible or probable
They may still succeed.
Do you think they may [=can, could, might] still succeed?
“Have they failed?” “They may have.” = (Brit) “They may have done.” [=it's possible that they failed]
[+] more examples
2
— used to say that one thing is true but something else is also true
He may [=might] be slow, but he does very good work. = Slow though he may be, he (still) does very good work. [=although he's slow, he does very good work]
It may [=might] be cold outside, but it's still a beautiful day. [=although it's cold outside, it's still a beautiful day]
She may [=might] have been a great actress, but she was a terrible parent.
3
formal — used to indicate that something is allowed
You may go now. [=you have permission to leave now]
No one may enter without a ticket.
The children may play wherever they choose.
You may tell me your opinion, but I won't change my mind.
— compare can 4b
4
formal — used to ask a question or make a request in a polite way
“May [=might] I borrow your pen?” “Of course you may!”
“May I help you,” asked the waiter, “or are you already being served?”
May I ask who is calling?
“May I leave a little early today?” “No, you may not.”
— compare can 4a
5
formal — used to express a wish
Long may the Queen reign! [=I hope the Queen will reign for a long time]
May the best man win!
May you have a long and happy life!
6
formal — used to make a polite suggestion
You may [=might] want to think again and consider your options carefully.
It may [=might] be wise to proceed cautiously.
7
formal — used in various polite expressions with I
May I just say how pleased I am to be here. [=I would like to say how pleased I am to be here]
If I may (interrupt you), would you please repeat the answer?
I'd like to ask a question, if I may.
This has been, if I may say so, one of the happiest days of my life.
8
formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something
We exercise so that we may [=will] be strong and healthy. [=we exercise in order to be strong and healthy]
I work hard so that my family may [=will] not go hungry.
be that as it may formal
— used to introduce a statement that is somehow different from what has just been said
There has been some improvement in the economy in recent months, but, be that as it may [=despite that, even so], many people are still looking for work.

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/may

Ohyoudidnt:
The problem is in defining an arabic word by a limited English translation.

ambiguous
/ăm-bĭg′yoo͞-əs/
adjective
Open to more than one interpretation.
"an ambiguous reply."

Doubtful or uncertain.

Doubtful or uncertain, particularly in respect to signification; capable of being understood in either of two or more possible senses; equivocal.

"an ambiguous course; an ambiguous expression."
Similar: equivocal


لِّيَغْفِرَ is derived from the root verb ghafara, which means “to forgive” or “to pardon.”
The prefix لـ (li) indicates purpose or intention, often translated as “in order to” or “so that.”
The form yagfiru is the imperfect tense (present/future) of the verb, specifically in the third person masculine singular form.
When combined, li yaghfiru translates to “so that He may forgive” or “in order for Him to forgive.”

In other places so that He may forgive reflects both a request for mercy by believers and an acknowledgment of human fallibility.

1. What you are saying is that Allah choose the wrongest language (Arabic) for the Quran: is this correct?
2. Are you saying that words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an) do not exist in Arabic?

Muslims will manufacture all forms of childish conjectures to defend Islam

Ohyoudidnt:
The belief that ruhul Qudus is Jibril can be traced to Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 87 and other verses in the Quran where the two entities are mentioned together like Al-Baqarah verse 97 which specifies the one who brings down the divine message to prophets.
Just as well with Quran 16:102.

Can you give any example to prove that prophets like Moses or David received revelations from their God in the Taurat and the Zabur?

Secondly, is Mary the mother of Jesus a prophet?
Because with the Jews, visitation by an angel does not convey prophethood or "messangerhood" on a person.

You should understand why the Jews asked Mohammed the simple question about the Spirit

Ohyoudidnt:
You didn't ask about why Jesus was called the messiah or you ask so many questions and confuse yourself?

No in one place did the Quran ever said why Jesus was the Messiah?
Or do you know from the Quran only?

Islam doesn't even know what the Messiah was supposed to be else mohammed would never say that the Jews claimed they killed their Messiah
Quran 4:157
and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.

Do you have any reason why the Jews will boast that they killed their Messiah?

Ohyoudidnt:
The concept of the "ruh" (soul or spirit) is mentioned in the Qur'an in several verses. The ruh is a creation of Allah and is distinct from Allah Himself, as Allah is the Creator and the ruh is one of His creations. The ruh is a part of the human being that gives life and consciousness.

In the Qur'an, the term "ruh" (soul or spirit) is mentioned in various forms and contexts. The ruh is a creation of Allah and plays a significant role in human existence and spirituality.

Ruh as the Breath of Life in Surah As-Sajdah, verse 9

In Surah Ash-Shura, verse 52, the ruh is mentioned in the context of revelation and guidance this is another form of "Ruh" mentioned in the Qur'an as "Ruh al-Ameen" which translates to the Trustworthy Spirit. This term is found in Surah Ash-Shu'ara, verse 193-194:
In these verses, "Ruh al-Ameen" is mentioned as the one who brought down the revelation to the heart of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), indicating the trustworthiness and reliability of the source of the revelation.

I have asked several times on this platform
1. Is the Ruh a living Being created by Allah or an Attribute of Allah?
2. Is the breath of Allah an Attribute of Allah or a Creation of Allah
Is the breath of Allah created or it is an Attribute of Allah?
3. If Jibril is the Holy Spirit indeed, was he the one who gave life to Adam in Qur'an 32:9. Was Jibril the the thing Allah blew into Adam in Qur'an 15:29
4. What's meant by the term "spirit of Allah" and subsequently, what does it mean that Jesus is the Spirit from Allah?

Where did I get it from? It was from your Quran:
Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

Ohyoudidnt:
Mention of Israel in Context of Prophets in Surah Maryam (19:58)
These are the people on whom Allah bestowed Favour from among the Prophets of the seed of Adam and of those (believers) whom We (saved from Deluge and) carried with Nuh (Noah) in the Ark, and of the posterity of Ibrahim (Abraham) and Isra‘il (Israel i.e. Ya‘qub [Jacob]) and of those (chosen ones) whom We guided and exalted. When the Verses of the Most Kind (Lord) are recited to them, they fall down prostrating themselves in (profuse) tears.

We do not contend against that the Quran mentions Israel several times in the context of the "children of Israel" or the "descendants of Israel".
From Quran 19:58 can we know that israel was Yaqub? No!

The question was: Who was Israel in the Quran or how do we know that he is yaqub?

Ohyoudidnt:
And I follow religion of my father and forefathers: Ibrahim (Abraham), Ishaq (Isaac), and Ya‘qub (Jacob). And we have no right to associate anything as a partner with Allah. This (belief in the Oneness of Allah) is a (special) bounty of Allah upon us and the people, but most people do not give thanks. Surah Yusuf (12:38)

This verse did not mention Israel: did it?

Ohyoudidnt:
Quran 45:16 serves as proof that “Israel” refers to Yaqub (Jacob) by establishing a direct link between him and the Children of Israel.
Jacob’s twelve sons became the progenitors of the twelve tribes of Israel. Thus, when referring to the Children of Israel in this context, it inherently points back to Jacob as their forefather.
The Quran frequently recounts stories involving Jacob and his sons (notably Joseph), reinforcing his role as a key figure in guiding his descendants.

As usual, the quran mentioned children of Israel without telling us that Israel is Jacob.
This verse did not even link Jacob to Israel in any way.

The Quran did not mention the number of the sons of Jacob not to speak of saying that Jacob is Israel.
Quran 45:16
Indeed, We gave the Children of Israel the Scripture, wisdom, and prophethood; granted them good, lawful provisions; and favoured them above the others.


Are you sure the same God that renamed Jacob as Israel is the Allah of the Quran?
It seems Allah forgot that Jacobs new name eas Israel!

Ohyoudidnt:
What is the translation of the meaning of yis-lach elohim?

יִשְׁלַח (yis-lach): will send
אֱלֹהִים (elohim): God

Therefore, "yis-lach elohim" translates to "God will send."

Ohyoudidnt:
....
A most simple truth if you can get off a highly repugnant arrogant display of ignorance is was Quran 48:2-3 transmitted orally or in print or engraved stone?

You didn't quote any dictionary but speak English that you create and Define!!!

I used you own dictionary sir and you were completly decimated.
Secondly, you admitted from your own words that When spoken, “may” is commonly used to express possibility or permission in a less formal manner. For example, in everyday conversation, someone might say, “I may go to the store later,” to indicate a potential action without committing definitively. ....

In other words, it is in the realm of probability if Allah would forgive Mohammed or not

Ohyoudidnt:
...
There are differences between spoken “May” and written “May”
In spoken language, the word “may” is often used more casually and informally compared to its written counterpart. When spoken, “may” is commonly used to express possibility or permission in a less formal manner. For example, in everyday conversation, someone might say, “I may go to the store later,” to indicate a potential action without committing definitively.

On the other hand, in written language, especially in formal contexts such as academic writing or legal documents, the word “may” is used with more precision and clarity. In writing, “may” is often employed to denote permission or possibility in a specific and deliberate manner. For instance, in a legal contract, the term “party A may terminate the agreement under certain conditions” would be written with clear implications and legal significance.

What you have said is that Written MAY is even more certain than Oral MAY!



Let's see how unambiguous Allah is in the Quran from another verse!


Quran 17:1
"Glory be to him(1) who took his(2) servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest mosque, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show him(4) of our signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."

From the Quran Alone can you answer these Questions
1. Who is the one speaking here: Allah or Mohammed or Jibril”
Note: Moses was mentioned in Quran 17:2
2. Which servant was taken by night is it Moses or David or Mohammed?
3. If we assume that Allah is him(1) and his(2), who is the we(3)?
Note: him(1) and him(2) is singular but we(3) is plural
4. Are the him(4) and the he(5) different or the same?
5. Who is to be shown the signs?
6. Where is this Sacred Mosque?
7. Where is this farthest Mosque whose surroundings has been blessed?
Note: The Temple was completely destroyed by the Romans 550 years before Mohammed and it was a waste dump. Omar Ibn al-Khattab, found the waste dump in 638 AD rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem (completed fully in 705 AD)


Let’s rephrase and correct some of the grammatical blunders of the Quran
a. If Mohammed, Jibril or someone else was the originator of this verse
Quran XX:X
"Glory be to Allah(1) who took his(2) servant Mohammed by night from the Sacred Mosque in Mecca to the farthest mosque in Jerusalem, whose surroundings he(3) has blessed, to show his servant(4) of his signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."

b. If Allah himself was the originator of this verse
Quran XX:X
"Glory be to us(1) who took our(2) servant Mohammed by night from the Sacred Mosque in Mecca to the farthest mosque in Jerusalem, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show our servant(4) of our signs. Indeed, we(5) are the Hearing, the Seeing."


I challenge you to say that either of the two verses of Quran XX:X is not better in clarity that Quran 17:1

A Muslim is a person who tells different lies and manufactures all forms of conjectures so that he can remain in Islam.

Ohyoudidnt:
From your submissions do you not know that when making to define a word by it's synonyms you are to analyse these synonyms to understand the nuances and contexts in which they are used?

I have colour coded one of the dictionary definitions of ambiguous you italicized do you not see how it fits into the context of its use in several verses of the Quran?

Something ambiguous is not solely unclear or is this what your eventual dictionary submission tells you?

What is the sense in only looking for differences and ignoring similarities? Is this not a deliberate effort to ignore the truth or a bias you covertly hold on to?

Repeating obvious untruths cannot turn it into the truth.

Ohyoudidnt:
* From the Quran Ruhul Qudus refers to the
angel Jibril

A blatant lie except you can show me one verse of the Qur'an where Jibril is called the Holy Spirit.
Don't forget that Jesus is also a spirit in the Qur'an

Ohyoudidnt:
* In the Qur'an, the term "Israel" refers to Prophet Ya'qub who is also known as Jacob in the Bible. Prophet Ya'qub, was the son of Prophet Ishaq, and the grandson of Prophet Ibrahim. Allah mentions the descendants of Prophet Ya'qub as the Children of Israel or Bani Isra'il.

Another blatant lie as the Qur'an speaks only of "Children of Israel" without telling us who Israel is!

I challenge you to show me a single verse of the Qur'an that says Israel is Yaqub

Ohyoudidnt:
* From the Quran the sister of Aaron is not explicitly mentioned however in regards to the point you are likely driving at sister of Aaron is symbolic in the description of Mary the mother of Jesus for her piety and devoutness to God

At least you spoke a little truth here.
The information here is either false or ambiguous for according to the Torah Mary the sister of Aaron is the daughter of Amran (Imran). Mary the mother of Jesus is from the tribe of Judah while Mary the sister of Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi.

Ohyoudidnt:
* The case of Jesus is unique particularly as the Israelites always ask for signs to prove being a messenger of God and the existence of the almighty. Haven seen so many signs and stubbornly refusing another sign of a person born without a father.

Jesus creating life in a bird don't know which other there is was another sign for the Israelites.

The question was about why Jesus was unique amongst all humans. Unfortunately, the Jews didn't request for a baby born from a virgin and neither did they ask for a baby who could talk and neither did they ask Allah for a person who can perform miracles.

So, clearly, the Qur'an gives no single reason why Jesus was the Messiah or why He was given.

Ohyoudidnt:
Shall is used to express an intended future action

May is used to grant permission as in you may begin the examination?

You only say yis-lach elohim doesn't mean what I translate it to but fail to say what it means? Do you not know?

If we go by your adoption of MAY meaning granting of permission,

1. Does Allah need permission to forgive anyone?
2. Who is Allah calling to grant permission to forgive Mohammed ?

Ohyoudidnt:
As discussed earlier the context and meaning of may used here is that Allah will forgive sins in the future on earth and on judgement day

Permission isn't within the context of use

Aren't you contradicting yourself here?

You said: MAY is MAY is used to grant permission

Are you adopting the other two definitions of MAY?

Ohyoudidnt:
There is only one Allah and this agrees with the definition and meaning of the arabic word. The Allah that prophet Muhammad and all other prophets worship who sent them worship and all sincere believers.

The guarantee of forgiveness is in numerous verses such as Quran 8:33; 48:2; 3:135 to name a few.

Can you tell me how MAY become a Guarantee for anything?

I am sure you know that there are several verses where Allah unsure of himself used the word MAY like in Qur'an 48:2, Qur'an 12:92, Qur'an 24:22 , Quran 48.3
Quran 14.51, Quran 3.141, Quran 24.38, Quran 33.24, Quran 48.2, Quran 9.121, or Quran 39.35

Sometimes I wonder what you would do IF Christians deliberately miss-define a word as something else.

[quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=131017176][/quote]Are you now ready to answer my questions.



Let me remind you of the Questions again :
Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.


1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?

4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?




Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!








What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish

How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?

Ohyoudidnt:
You fundamentally do not subscribe to a dictionary definition of ambiguous and obviously created your own. This sure will prevent understanding it's use and meaning in sentences.

You cannot answer my questions because Allah is always ambiguous in his speech. There is nothing precise or certain about the speech of Allah.

Here are ten synonyms of the word ambiguous

Unclear
Vague
Obscure
Equivocal
Indefinite
Uncertain
Cryptic
Puzzling
Nebulous
Indistinct

Since you want to emphasise the word ambiguous

According to Merriam-Webster, the word "ambiguous" is defined as:

1. "Doubtful or uncertain especially from obscurity or indistinctness."
2. "Capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways"​
(Merriam-Webster)​​ (Merriam-Webster)​.
In other words, something ambiguous can be unclear because it has multiple possible meanings or interpretations.



No wonder, even though the Qur'an is supposed to be a detailed explanation of all things, we spend 90% of the time reading multiple Tafsirs to comprehend it.

Ohyoudidnt:
The presence of ambiguous verses in the Quran encourages Muslims to engage in critical thinking and reflection. Instead of simply accepting the words of the Quran at face value

This process of reflection and contemplation not only deepens one's understanding of the Quran but also strengthens faith and connection to Allah.

Ambiguous verses also allow for a greater level of flexibility and adaptability in interpreting the Quran. In a rapidly changing world, the ability to interpret the Quran in a way that is relevant to the present day is crucial.


Ambigous words are capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways

The presence of ambiguous verses is a failure in scholarship by Allah and a contradiction to his claim. Muslims are prevented from asking questions by Allah so that you wouldn't loose your blind faith in Allah.

As an example, According to the Qur'an alone
1. Who is Rūh Al-Qudus?
2. Who is Israel?
3. Who is the sister of Aaron?
4. Why is Jesus so unique amongst humans (without a Father and why can he create life and why is he still alive 2000 plus years after his birth)?

Islam is a fiction invented with the objective of rejecting Christ and creating a deity according to the imagination of some Arabs.

Ohyoudidnt:
Shall and may are two modal auxiliary verbs that are used to express a future action.

When shall is used in the second or third person, it implies a promise, command, or compulsion.

May is used for a grant or allowance of permission.

The Jewish term transliterated as yis-lach elohim is God may/shall forgive

I asked for the DIFFERENCES and not SIMILARITIES between shall and may which as usual you botched up.

"I shall forgive you":
Certainty : This statement expresses a definite intention to forgive. It implies that forgiveness is certain or planned.
Tone: It is more decisive and authoritative, indicating a commitment to forgiving the person.


"I may forgive you":
Certainty: This statement expresses a possibility rather than a certainty. It implies that forgiveness is being considered but not guaranteed
Tone: It is more tentative and less committed, indicating that the decision to forgive is still under consideration and may depend on further factors or conditions.

Allah is the only deity who is unsure or uncertain of his ability to forgive his mightiest messanger.


BTW,
yis-lach elohim : doesn't mean God may/shall forgive

AntiChristian:
What's the context of this?

Justification according to you as you claimed is

Jesus says justification is by our words likewise condemnation!

Paul says Justification is by the grace of God...

Paul says Justification is by the blood....

So, if you are correct, your understanding of Jesus teachings is that A person is not guilty of fornication (as an example) if he says not a word!

Mr Ohyoudidnt,
Sorry for the ban.

I don't know what you posted

Ohyoudidnt:
Do you agree that no dictionary defines ambiguous as “several possibilities of unclear statements?

Can you show me either the name of the Dictionary I claimed to use or if I ever told you it was a dictionary definition?
Islam is all about the Red Herring Fallacy:


Again:


With your own statements you have been disgraced and you have no response.

Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.


What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish

How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?




Let me remind you of the Questions again :



Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.


1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?
3. What is the difference between these similar phrases
I shall forgive you AND
I may forgive you
4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?




Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!








Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.

Ohyoudidnt:
Please go and learn English before coming to struggle with translation but before kindly oblige this forum with a documented validation of your statement that ambiguous means may have several possibilities of unclear statements.

It's always about the Red Herring Fallacy:

With your own statements you have been disgraced and you have no response.

Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.

What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish

How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?




Let me remind you of the Questions again :



Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.


1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?
3. What is the difference between these similar phrases
I shall forgive you AND
I may forgive you
4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?




Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!

Ohyoudidnt:
Very closed and narrow views as expected.

What do you even understand about possibility? When something is highly possible what is the likelihood of occurrence?

A highly probable event is how much more likely to occur than a lowly probable event?

Do you not understand that a positive argument directly supports a conclusion, while a negative argument undermines an opposing conclusion?

At the time of the revelation of the Quran in Arabia how many written documents existed and how many people could read and write?

What do you even understand by an English speaking person saying my word is bond?

Please go and learn English before coming to struggle with translation but before kindly oblige this forum with a documented validation of your statement that ambiguous means may have several possibilities of unclear statements

Too bad for you.
What you have simply said is that Allah is NOT Certain about forgiving Mohammed.
Allah is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of occurrence

How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?


Your three definitions were clearly presented for you to choose what the MAY of Allah is BUT you can't as you can only throw irrelevant tantrums.


I have used your dictionary against you and yet you have failed again.


Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

In your senseless arguments you shoot yourself at the foot.


According to your quote, the Oral MAY is even less precise that the written MAY. The oral May conveys a possibility or permission

Please which of these two is the MAY of Allah in Qur'an 48:2-3?




According to your writeup, oral MAY is the one that is LESS precise.
Can you do yourself a favour by reading your post again.
Can Islam survive without Misinformation and Taqqiya?




Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as
MAY=have permission to
MAY=used to express a wish or desire
MAY=used to express purpose (with examples such as)
-we exercise so that we may be strong
- possibility of happening
he'll do his duty come what may

Even though mundane, we have to ask you
Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION, a WISH or a POSSIBILITY).

Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?

Ohyoudidnt:
A most simple truth if you can get off a highly repugnant arrogant display of ignorance is was Quran 48:2-3 transmitted orally or in print or engraved stone?


You didn't quote any dictionary but speak English that you create and Define!!!

I have used your dictionary against you and yet you have failed again.


Is Oral MAY more precise that the Written MAY?


Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

In your senseless arguments you shoot yourself at the foot.


According to your quote, the Oral MAY is even less precise that the written MAY. The oral May conveys a possibility or permission

Please which of these two is the MAY of Allah in Qur'an 48:2-3?




According to your writeup, oral MAY is the one that is LESS precise.
Can you do yourself a favour by reading your post again.
Can Islam survive without Misinformation and Taqqiya?




1. Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as
MAY=have permission to
MAY=used to express a wish or desire
MAY=used to express purpose (with examples such as)
-we exercise so that we may be strong
- possibility of happening
he'll do his duty come what may

Even though mundane, we have to ask you
Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION, a WISH or a POSSIBILITY).

Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?

Ohyoudidnt:
You obviously have terribly weak comprehension of English language.



What do you understand by may defined by the last highlight in red here?

Are you okay!?


Is MAY used when admitting that something is true before introducing another point, argument, etc ?
How does it relate to Qur'an 48:2-3



No wonder you cannot answer my simple questions


Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.


1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?



I expect you to ramble about as usual
This is why Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions!


What is the difference between these two similar sentences

1. I shall forgive you
2. I may forgive you