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ahmedio2017:
Stop deceiving yourself, even your forefathers knew that Quran is only one...

Here are evidence for the differences between the Sanaa Qur'an and your Hafs Qur'an.
Instead of finding out the truth, you prefer a LIE
This behaviour is called self delusion.

Why don't you ask your Imam perhaps he will tell you the truth.


Here I have presented Evidences: not one, not two, not three but several.

God willing, I will post more tomorrow

ahmedio2017:
Stop deceiving yourself, even your forefathers knew that Quran is only one...

This behaviour is called self delusion.

Why don't you ask your Imam perhaps he will tell you the truth.


Here I have presented Evidences: not one, not two, not three but several.

God willing, I will post more tomorrow

Muslim scholars lie both to the ignorant Muslims and tell different kind of lies to non Muslims.

NiRfreak:
Muslims are brainwashed fanatics...imagine believing Quran fell from heaven
Imagine saying no error or changes has occurred in the Quran yet all of these changes everywhere...una be mumu

This is because Muslim scholars lie both to the ignorant Muslims and tell different kind of lies to non Muslims.

Islam is based on LIES from beginning to the end.

You can see how they all avoided this thread: they will rather hold on to lies just to defend Islam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTfzWLKokFs?si=fSdmnoU8q36tCZL1


Why do Muslims now hate Yasir Qahdi for speaking some truth about the Qur'an?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTfzWLKokFs?si=fSdmnoU8q36tCZL1


Why do Muslims now hate Yasir Qahdi for speaking some truth about the Qur'an?

AntiChristian:
That Paul didn't claim he was sent by Jesus. He also didn't encourage people to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus to be saved! Just as your Jesus is different, your Paul is likewise different!

Another format of LIES, so there is Another Islamic Paul!?
Who was he ? Can you explain?

AntiChristian:
Yes, it remains a contradiction. If God confounds then He is the author of confusion!

First, you made Allah a LIAR: for he said
Quran 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
If the verse above is true, are you concurring that Allah the Author of Confusion?

Stupid logic: So, If Allah kills, he is a Murderer!?

AntiChristian:
I knew you would lie as usual. The disciples of Jesus called themselves Muslims as revealed by Allah! They didn't call themselves Christians even in the Bible! The salvation of humans is not on the death or resurrection of anyone! So whether anyone believes Jesus died and resurrected or otherwise, they would only be saved by their belief/Faith in God and their works!

1. Form three arabic sentences of your choice with the word مَكَرَ and lets see who is telling lies
2. 1 Peter 4:16
16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjgzjNwqGWI?si=lyn3twZG4lzmUCU8


Different Qurans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjgzjNwqGWI?si=lyn3twZG4lzmUCU8


Different Qurans

Here is a discussion with a knowledgeable Muslim on the preservation of the Qur'an.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKVZDZFTFO0?si=yARUXS-bPMqefUmL


It is even too easy to show differences not due to scribal errors within the Qur'ans by removing the vowels. You will still arrive at different Qur'ans

Here is a discussion with a knowledgeable Muslim on the preservation of the Qur'an.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKVZDZFTFO0?si=yARUXS-bPMqefUmL


It is even too easy to show differences not due to scribal errors within the Qur'ans by removing the vowels. You will still arrive at different Qur'ans

AntiChristian:
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians1:27 "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty"

Confound means to cause surprise or confusion in (someone), especially by not according with their expectations.

Same Paul then opined later in 1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints".

To confuse or not to confuse?
Do God really confound (confuse) the wise and mighty?

What an excellent contradiction from the imaginary Paul!

1. Your grouse against Paul amount to nothing for according to your scholars, Paul is an Apostle of Jesus referred to by Allah in the Quran.
2. The verse above refers to you only if you claim to be WISE in your own eyes that simple things like SALVATION through CHrist is too mundane for you


Dont For get that Allah is the Al-Makr (the Deceiver) who created CHristianity by deceiving ALL the Disciples of Jesus including Mary the Mother of Jesus that Jesus was crucified on a tree

EnemyofGod3:
We are all animals but humans are higher animals, how come we are the only one created from dust? use ur brain is not for fancy.

Every thing was made from the dust of the earth

Gen 2:19
19 So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name.

God only specially made man from the earth by himself

Jerryhare:
Face the one in your Quran and leave Bible alone. How could every living thing be created from water, who thought Islamic allah science that all living things were created from water? This is error 404


Quran 21:30

Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

This is false sir.
The heavens and the earth were not one before it was split

I think this is a proof that the argument of dialects differences is put to rest as a change in dialect should never change the meaning of any text

Qasim6:
Here I am thinking you will bring something like an interpolation like the pericope adulterae, or something that will destroy our doctrines like 1John 5:7 (the nonsense there are 3 in heaven....)

All these things you are pointing out do not negate our narrative of how the Qur'an was revealed and preserved.

Keep labouring in vain, no go warm eba chop.

My questions are simple:
1. Didn't you Muslims claim that the Qur'an is perfectly preserved up to the diacritical marks?
2. Which of your several Qur'ans is the copy of the Qur'an of Allah in paradise?
3. We have shown you that the Qur'an of Mohammed is different from the Qur'an of Abubaker and is different from the Qur'an of Uthman: which one is the true Qur'an of them all?
4. How come the Sanaa Quran is different from the standard Qurans in many verses?
5. Why did Muslim scholars tell white lies on the preservation of the Quran?


All these would not have been necessary if Muslims do not keep on saying that
-there is only one qur'an
-the qur'an is perfectly preserved!


At least it is good that you admit that there are differences only that they are small.
LOL!

Ilamina:
But I heard its going too be a zombie experience

How are we going too survive in heaven, no child birth,

What happens when we get old

You probably asked the same questions when you were in your mother's womb.

On the outside, how would you survive in the cold waterless environment called the earth. How will you feed if your umbilical cord is cut? Wouldn't it be dangerous outside the protection of the amniotic fluid.


Now , I ask you the question:
Would you want go back to live the rest of your life in the womb of your mother if you are granted the option?


So with life after death!

1Cor 2:9
"But as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him."

Ilamina:

Please don't try it.


No one knows and no one can claim to know what will happen to you in eternity.

Don't commit suicide only to find out that your soul is being dragged to hell by forces who tricked you into committing suicide.

As long as there is LIFE, there is HOPE.

There is nothing on earth that goes on indefinitely. Your glory is awaiting you.

The comedienne Real WarriPiken would not have existed if her suicide attempt succeeded.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybyx-rAQr04?si=fgrSaIVJVRF372mh

Please watch this.

There is hope at the end of the tunnel. Whatever the problem, it will end.

Don't commit suicide please.

I can join you in prayers for strength if you want. Speak to your Pastor if you can

Quran 21:104

Still more differences between the Warsh Quran and the Hafs Quran are coming.

Which one of these two Qurans is the Quran of Allah in Paradise?





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Ohyoudidnt:
Realistically there is the fundamental flaw with your argument. It is not stated anywhere that the Uthmani codec or standardised form of the Quran is the sole form in which the revelation came. The existence of other forms or codices are known.

The Uthmani codex refers to the standardized version of the Quran that was compiled during the caliphate of Uthman ibn Affan, the third caliph of Islam, around 650 CE. This codex is significant because it aimed to unify the various recitations and written forms of the Quran that existed at that time.

While the Uthmani codex became widely accepted and is considered canonical in Sunni Islam, other codices also exist. For example, there are notable variants like those attributed to Ibn Mas’ud and Ubayy ibn Ka’b. These variations often pertain to differences in recitation styles (qira’at) or minor textual differences but do not fundamentally alter the core message or teachings of Islam.

Despite recognizing that other codices exist, all known versions ultimately trace back to a common source—the revelations received by Prophet Muhammad. The differences found among various readings are generally seen as minor and do not detract from their authenticity or from believers’ faith in their divine origin.

The recognition of the Uthmani codex does not imply any deficiency in preserving or maintaining consistency within the Quranic text.

1. Three important codex of the Qur'an have completely disappeared
a. The Codex of Mohammed (collected during his lifetime)
b. The Codex of Abubaker
c. The Codex of Uthman
Note that even these three codex are not Identical to each other
There is no single Qur'an that claimed to be from any of these codex. What we have is the claim of ISNAD according to the RECITATION of some people .

2. There is no ancient manuscript in this world that has been copied extensively that doesn't have errors by scribes BUT you Muslims say that such errors doesn't exist in the Qur'an as the Qur'an is Perfectly Preserved up to it's diacritical marks and there is only One Arabic Qur'an and that the Qur'an we read now is identical to the Qur'an of Mohammed.
*This claims is what I addressed here: That differences occur even with the fragments of the oldest codex of the Qur'an that has been found.

Thus, I asked the Question,
Which of these Qur'an is the Qur'an of Allah which is identical to the copy of the Qur'an in heaven?

3. The issue of the seven dialects the Qur'an was supposed to be recited in is a major problem for Islam as
a. We should find ONLY seven identical Arabic Qur'ans in the whole world, but what we have now exceed 30.
b. There is no single Muslim that can say which of the different Qur'an belong to any particular dialect of Arabic.
Example:
If we assume that the Hafs Qur'an is from the Quraysh, which tribe of the Arabs own the Warsh Qur'an or the Al-Suri Qur'an or the Al-Duri Qur'an or the Qalun Qur'an etc
c. It is a rule that changes in dialects should NEVER change the meaning of the text. This is not true with the Qur'ans in existence.
Examples:
In English Language, Apartment and Flat are two English dialects for a residential building (one is American and the other is British). The use of either does not change the meaning of a text.
Gas and Fuel are also two English dialects for a hydrocarbon fuel used to power cars and motorcycles (one is American and the other is British). The use of either does not change the meaning of a text. Other examples are Motorbikes and Motorcycles etc

You will agree with me that the phrase
"THEY came" and "YOU came" cannot be the same meaning and the difference cannot be due to dialectical differences

Ohyoudidnt:
We will discuss the specific variations you have shared in picture form in due course.

No problems!

Ohyoudidnt:
We are still not done with the other thread though you rather end it with no less than four questions not addressed. Bare with me as I have explained the absence of adequate time to fully respond to you.

It's okay!
Anytime you are ready.

AntiisIam:
Don't mind them

When Islam's foundation is LIES, what else do you expect.

Allah himself is the father of lies: what errands do you think he would be sending his slaves?

AntiChristian:
Time waster!
Whoever wants to know the truth should watch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pcenpnMVVE

I wasted my time watching this your video: thinking that it has some solid arguments against the verses poste.

Your videos main point of argument is that the quran is a recitation and therefore the recited Quran is the real and perfect quran

1. If this is true, why did Abubakr order the writing of the Quran as the sahabas were dying due to wars?
2. Is it untrue that even during the lifetime of your prophet that the sahabas were disputing about the recited Quran?
3. Is it untrue that some verses were abrogated in recitation and not in ruling.
4. Is its untrue that some parts of the recited Quran was either forgotten or deliberately removed from the Quran recitation?


They say "The faintest ink is better than the best memory.": Are you saying that only in Islam does this fail to hold as true


Why don't you own up to the lies propagated by your scholars about the perfect preservation of the Quran.