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AntiChristian:
You sha like to divert questions away from the Bible! It seems you sabi the Qur'an pass your Bible!
Allah revealed the Injeel to Jesus the son of Mary!

Why not!
You came with a fictitious Injeel given to Jesus and you are simultaneously denying the same Injeel.
Does it make sense to you.

Thus I have to show you your own folly by reminding you of what Allah said to you.
In case you forgot, Mohammed's name was supposed to be found in this book!
Are you denying Allah?

AntiChristian:
The Injeel was meant to be taught and preached to others which Jesus did!

Who told you this?

AntiChristian:
However Jesus didn't write any of it down like Moses, David and others did!

How came a book was given to Jesus but he didn't write it down?
Isn't this a contradiction?

AntiChristian:
What he preached may have been written down by some of his disciples and passed on as Injeel.
However this transmission is not really Injeel as Injeel was what was revealed directly to Jesus!

So which Injeel was Allah referring to as with the Christians (between their hands)
Is Allah telling lies?

AntiChristian:
The question didn't mention Allah!
Put your glasses into good use!

Why then did Allah give the Gospel when it wasn't supposed to be used as scripture?
Can you see the illogicality of your question!?

Except if you admit that Allah lied that he gave the Gospel to Jesus>

You are revelling over the fact that the person you asked the question doesn't know much of Islam.

Liars! Muslims and Lies !

You hide under falsehood to ask a question which your Quran itself answers.

Your Question is only valid if Allah never gave any Scripture known as Gospel to Jesus and subsequently the Christians

AntiChristian:
Question 1
If the earliest Christians within the first two centuries after Jesus did not need a New Testament to qualify their faith, why do modern Christians have such a need? If they did not sanction or consider any other writing beside the Old Testament to be scripture, then isn’t it a digression from the ‘true faith‘ of the earliest believers to incorporate something new as scripture?

The first New Testament was codified and canonized by the heretic Marcion who believed that the Jewish YHWH was not the true God, the first time the largest Christian Church sanctioned a New Testament was during the 2nd Ecumenical Council of Carthage in 397 CE, some 360+ years after Jesus.

Why then did Allah give the Gospel when it wasn't supposed to be used as scripture?

Can you see the illogicality of your question?

Expanse2020:
Did Israel Beat Yahweh or Jesus
Did David beat and broken Yahweh or Jesus leg in the bible

Is Quran 29:46 a true or false statement?


So many lies that you even have to deny you God to keep Islam afloat!
SMH!

Expanse2020:
Are you ashame that isreal Beat your God and won him..
That David beat your God broke is leg and surrender to him....

That the isrealis,Romans/Greek gave Jesus a punishable death while he was lifelessly hack to plank...

If you are correct, then you admit that Israel beat your Allah according to him in Quran 29:46

You have just confirmed again that you are more knowledgeable than both Allah and your prophet.

AntiChristian:
K

Religion of Lies and Liars!
Why must the religion of God be defended with falsehood!?

Have a nice day!

Expanse2020:
Maudu and Daif?[ What is this🤣🤣🤣🤣 please call it properly
And hadiths is not like the comical book
Where Abraham hide from God in small garden and cannot find him
Where is Israel wrestle with God and win God
Where David wrestle with God break his leg and win God 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Unfortunately for you , you seem to be more educated and knowledgeable that both your prophet and Allah combined as they hold a different opinion from you.

Congratulations!

Expanse2020:
So it's true that you acknowledge that Jesus is limited and that why they capture, torture him and nail him to plank..
Thanks I have deduce what I want to know from your comment
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Let me ask you a simple question
Is the Word of God limited?

WrriterNg:
It's best you keep shut on matters you know nothing about.

Mt knowledgeable: by now you should have known that Russia has been disgraced as the second most powerful army in the world.

Mr Knowledgeable,
Is it untrue that Ukraine without a navy has decimated the black Sea fleet of Russia

Expanse2020:
which hadith is falsehood...it is not like your comic book you carried up and down
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Is it untrue that many of your Hadiths are called Maudu and Daif?

Expanse2020:
When I can control dog from wherever I am, did I need to touch it to control it or enter it to control it... please try to think and stop reason like a kid ..
Your God wey enter human body was nail to a plank by his claimed creation to bad

God is called the Almighty for one reason, there is NOTHING impossible for him.

I have shown you that Allah is not Omniscient
I have shown you that Allah is not Omnipotent
I have shown you that Allah is not Omnipresent

Exactly like Iblis.

Can your Allah be above and below the heavens at the same time?
You know the answer: It is a big NO!

Sorry.

Please go sleep!

WrriterNg:
May neighbors like Ukraine harbor terrorists and criminals sent by your enemies to kill your family and friends.

Say Amen.

Why are you afraid of the evil you wish someone else. Ukraine is small compared to Russia, but now, they are being disgraced by this small nation.

What is the offence of Ukraine a sovereign nation?

Don't worry, I can deal with my enemies foreign or domestic can you?

Expanse2020:
You see you are olodo
Allah didn't need to enter any of his creation before he control the beings.. he only have to command and everything follow the order
Be it and it's be ...
He is nearer to us than our Jugular vein
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He is unable to enter into his creation!
QED!

It's not about needing to, it is about ability to do!

Sorry!

Skooltynz:
Even ojukwu knew when he has to surrender, zelensky should stop wasting Ukrainian lived because of these American psychopaths.

May strong enemies of your life like Russia overrun you at take whatever they wish from you. And may you act according to the wisdom you advocate for Zelensky!

It's a fair prayer: can I get an amen from you if Russia is indeed in the right

Expanse2020:
You need to work on how you read and digest the sentence you read after you see a clearer message in the passage you will still argue blantly

Why is it that over 90% of your hadiths are plain falsehood?

Expanse2020:
Can you read the message I sent to you back🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ọmọ i sorry for the way you assimilate and think in that faculty of your head oooo
Chaiiiii

The question is simple:

Are you saying that it is untrue that the throne of Allah is carried by eight Angels?

Expanse2020:
But Jesus or God is finite too right

God by His Spirit is Infinite.
Everything seen and unseen exist in Him!
Acts 17:28
‘For in Him (God) we live and move and have our being.’


Allah cannot be over the 7th heaven and below the heavens at the same time, can he?
This is why he is limited.
Allah cannot enter his creation without ceasing to be God!
Too bad for you!

Expanse2020:
Jesus share boos from bible naw, shey u de wine nii...
Why does Allah need 8 Angels to carry him!

This is a stupid question coming out from stupid mouth nawẹ. Na today the dem they carry king inside palanquin talkless of the KING OF KINGS...

Are you saying that it is untrue that the throne of Allah is carried by eight Angels?

Expanse2020:
You need to go back to school if simple English you can't understand...we can't help it..

So, your English is so superb to understand falsehood.

This is why I posted the whole chapter for you to read the Psalm of David to judge.

Too bad, Islamic dawa breaks down

Expanse2020:
Can you hear yourself out
The Sun is big, but because we can see it, the sun is limited. So is Allah!
🤣🤣🤣🤣But you should try go to the orbit to see how the sun is big and hugged it for a sec..

Why did you reason like a kid.
Allah is not limited like those God kill by Jews and Roman.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Anything that can be seen is finite in size: don't you know this?

If you can see it at a location, it can not be anywhere else thus finite.
Allah is very finite sir!

Expanse2020:
Ehen Jesus take money from fish mouth ehen

And also share the boos make everybody shayo🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are confused that its not in the Quran!

Why does Allah need 8 Angels to carry him!

Expanse2020:
A God who was poor that wear only a robe through out his life but given wealth to human..does it make sense🤣🤣🤣🤣

Does your God need rich clothe to be rich?

The Christ who could bring money out of the mouth of a fish is not who you think!

The Messiah who multiplied five loves of
bread and two fishes is not who you think

Phil 2:7
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Does your God need to dress big to be himself?

Expanse2020:
According to Islam
1. Jesus alone had a mother without a Father so in the bible who is father of Jesus; Joseph or David,🤣🤣🤣🤣

God is the Father of Jesus in the Bible.
But Jesus is also a descendant of David through Mary

Expanse2020:
2. Jesus alone is a co-creator of Life with Allah
Jesus not co creator unless you put it as your taught ... So in the bible Jesus call himself co creator of life abii

Allah gave a challenge.
Quran 22:73
O humanity! A lesson is set forth, so listen to it ˹carefully˺: those ˹idols˺ you invoke besides Allah can never create ˹so much as˺ a fly, even if they ˹all˺ were to come together for that. And if a fly were to snatch anything away from them, they cannot ˹even˺ retrieve it from the fly. How powerless are those who invoke and those invoked!
Is this untrue?

Jesus crated a bird in the Quran as attested by Allah
Quran 3:49
and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird—by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life—by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe.

Expanse2020:
During the time of Moses in the Egypt when he went to a seclusion place to fast for 40days... The children of Israel were seen worshipping a bull which of the sorcerer have put with sand and told them to be bowing to before Moses come back..so what is the big deal on that
You have never see a magician summon a life beautiful bird from ordinary birọ, handkerchief.. so what did it do that no one have ever done

From which Maudu hadith did you find this?
I am sure that you don't even realize that if this is true, then Allah is false.
If this is true, Quran 22:73 is false.

What do you say?

Expanse2020:
3. Jesus is the only one one who Allah took to himself (above the seventh heaven) show me in the bible where there is 7th heaven in the bible and if there is nothing like that prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) reach the 7th heaven but meet Jesus in 3rd heaven so Jesus was not in 7th heaven.

Are you denying your religion?
Where is Allah, is he below the 7th heaven or above the 7th heaven?
Did Allah not say that he took Jesus to himself?

There is no cock and bull story like this in the Bible.

Expanse2020:
4. Jesus is the only one who went bodily to heaven without passing through death. Is a lie did Elijah die before going to heaven

Are you faulting the claim of Islam?
How did Allah take Jesus up to himself?

Expanse2020:
5. Jesus is the only spirit of Allah and the only word of Allah ehen he is not a spirit of Allah rather he is a spirit among spirit from Allah

Can you then explain why your prophet called Jesus
1. Ruhullah and
2. Kalimatullah
(Sura 3:45, 4;171)

Can you tell us what they mean?
Muslims can tell lies for Africa!

Expanse2020:
6. Jesus is the only one who spoke as a baby (meaning that he wasn't truly a baby) did he speak as a baby in the bible please show me

Is it a lie that Jesus spoke as a baby in the Quran

The Bible doesn't have such cock and bull stories!

Just find me any human being that has one quarter of this characteristics.
Unfortunately, you refused to answer my questions for the same questions you asked me. I have answer it already
Is it because, they don't have any answer in Islam?

Expanse2020:
Allah have the power to do anything
so tell his creation is not a problem but it will not because he doesn't need it when he can easily do anything from up..he didn't need to enter any creation to come down.. Allah is not limitless like another God...wick Gods

Are you sure Allah can enter his creation!?

If he enters his creation, will he carry his throne along or his throne will be vacant?

You very well know that Allah is limited.
Would you Muslims see Allah on the judgment day?
If you will, then Allah is limited.

The Sun is big, but because we can see it, the sun is limited. So is Allah!

Expanse2020:
Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
” David was also a begotten son.. which making brother to Jesus not father .. and in Israel it is man that claimed child not woman so why will you attributes it to son of David when he doesn't have father

Did you bother to check that David was writing about the Messiah and not about himself?

Psalm 2:1-12
1 Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.”

7 “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

SMH!

Expanse2020:
I have answer your questions

It is a lie, you haven't answered my questions

Focus on the highlights in Yellow in the hadith.
1. Did Allah change his shape or not?
2. Did he take permission from you Muslims to change his shape?
3. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
4. Is Allah entering into his creation?

Expanse2020


I am still waiting for you

Focus on the highlights in Yellow in the hadith.
1. Did Allah change his shape or not?
2. Did he take permission from you Muslims to change his shape?
3. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
4. Is Allah entering into his creation?


Are any of these untrue?

Expanse2020:
Did he have a human father to be called son of David 🤣🤣🤣
And the David was also a biggotten son perhaps they are even brother not father and son

Because Mary was a descendant of David from the tribe of Judah.

Can you quote where David was called a begotten son? You seem to be confused!

Expanse2020:
he doesn't need to enter his creation to do anything for on this earth...

This is not the question:

Does Allah have the power to enter his creation without ceasing to be God?

It's a simple question!

Expanse2020:
So if you that Adam and eve didn't have parents so what is the big deal about the one who has only mother... atleast he had a mother to cater for him when he can't do anything on his own... And you call that God.. he was breast feeding when he was a toddler just like me and you and you call it God.

Are you tell me Jesus was the only one raised to heaven what of Elijah 🤣🤣

See how you avoided answering my questions after I answered Allah yours.

It's a big deal that Jesus didn't have a human Father except you can state exactly what Allah was trying to achieve!
If you can't, then you have no case!

Did Elijah go to heaven according to Islamic doctrines?
Even if he did, that is not the issue except you can find anyone else who has a combination of unique miracles all accumulated in a single person.
According to Islam
1. Jesus alone had a mother without a Father
2. Jesus alone is a co-creator of Life with Allah
3. Jesus is the only one one who Allah took to himself (above the seventh heaven)
4. Jesus is the only one who went bodily to heaven without passing through death.
5. Jesus is the only spirit of Allah and the only word of Allah
6. Jesus is the only one who spoke as a baby (meaning that he wasn't truly a baby)


Just find me any human being that has one quarter of this characteristics.



Unfortunately, you refused to answer my questions for the same questions you asked me.


Is it because, they don't have any answer in Islam?

Expanse2020:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Where is the answer provided by you to all those questions I posted there...
Highlights all the answers so that I can see it clearly 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Your questions have been answered:

To test your sincerity, I brought you this hadith Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Focus on the highlights in Yellow in the hadith quoted
1. Did Allah change his shape or not?
2. Did he take permission from you Muslims to change his shape?
3. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
4. Is Allah entering into his creation?

Expanse2020:
If Jesus was a God he would have descent on the earth but not by birth..(Abi when he was a kid who is controlling the earth that time)

Unlike Allah,
*God is everywhere as a Spirit
*God is on His throne in Heaven as the Father
*God is His word which became Jesus here on earth.

In other words, Jesus being a baby did not Change the nature of the Omnipresence, Omnipotent and Omniscient nature of God.

Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be God!

Expanse2020:
Why was Jesus without a human father?

If he had a human father, he would have been a human being like the rest of us.
If Jesus had a human father, he would have needed freedom from the sin of Adam and Eve.
If Jesus had a human father, he would have been a sinner Luke the rest of us and therefore cannot atone for the sins of others.

In Islam, what is the wisdom from Allah that Jesus shouldn't have a Father?

Expanse2020:
What was Allah trying to achieve? It's be and it's be of Allah,

You will tell me about Allah.

But the Father made Jesus unique because
1. Jesus was to be the Atonement and Ransome for our guilt of Sin against the integrity of God.
2. If He was our ransom, he must be perfect and without sin.

What was Allah trying to achieve by
1. Making Jesus a co-creator of Life with Allah (Jesus created a bird exactly as Allah created Adam)
2. Jesus did not have a Father: why?
(even though there was no reason for it).
If there is , please say it.
3. Jesus is the only human being raised up to Allah (above the 7th heaven): why?
4. Jesus is the only one called "Spirit of Allah" and the "Word of Allah": why?
5. Jesus is the only prophet who knows what a man hides in his house (this is the power Allah alone should possess): why?

Expanse2020:
tell me who is the father and Mother of Adam..were Adam (A.S) was born from a woman because all us are in the same categories as human being (PLEASE I DEMAND ANSWER FOR THIS QUESTION)

Adam and Eve couldn't have a Father or mother because no single human being existed. Hence, God took the clay/mud and moulded them before breathing into them.