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Qasim6:
Why do you just love embarrassing yourself up and down like this?

The same word was used for men in Qur'an 33:35. Do men now have viginas?

Muslims will never stop embarrassing themselves with deep fabrications just to sustain their lies.
In Qur'an 33:35, I guess you didn't check that

The Arabic word "فُرُوجَهُمْ" ("furūjuhum" translates to "their private parts" or "their genitals" in English.

The term "فَحْجَة" (fahjaha) in Arabic refers to a woman's private part of the vulva

Either way, it's not chastity nor garment not sleeves.

Just give me five Arabic sentences using the word fahjaha and translate.

Qasim6:
The verse says she guarded her farjaha and we breath into her...... Without indicating if it is through any opening whatsoever.

The fact that I quoted your Qur'an translation does not mean that I don't know what it says.

It says we breathe into IT and not we breathe into her.

Qasim6:
The best way to translate farjaha is chastity or private part, and what the verse is telling us is that she was not promiscuous and her conception was indeed miraculous.

Chastity is not an IT
Vulva is an IT

In Qur'an 21:91, the word "فِيهَا" "fīhā" translates to "in it" or "into it" in English and not INTO HER



Fabricate something else: I am waiting!

Ohyoudidnt:
Do angels exist at the side of every human recording his or her deeds?

Another problem with the theology of Islam.

1. Why do Angels need to record the deeds of humans when Allah is supposed to have recorded every deed in his book of destiny?
2. It seems that it is actually a fabrication to say that Allah is all-knowing when he still need his angels to record the deeds of men! Why do you think the angels are recording what Allah already knows? Are humans going to be judged by Allah or the Angels?
3. You forget that the Islamic Angels CANNOT enter into the Toilet: how would they record all the fornications and Adulteries commited in the Toilets all over the world?

Just three questions!

Ohyoudidnt:
Surely you won't discern the answer. I pointed out in asking you if Iblis is an angel? Then was it immediately after the failure to bow that he was cast out?

Quran 18:50 clearly identifies Iblis not bowing and the reason why he didn't bow.

Do angels exist at the side of every human recording his or her deeds?

All dogs were told to bark but the cat did not bark, so the cat was flogged for disobeying a direct instruction.


Allah was very clear: the instruction was given to the angels to prostrate to Adam.

Tell me, did the Jinn (Iblis) or the Angels tell Allah that the humans Allah wanted to create will cause mischief?


Sorry, your theology is messed up. If Iblis was not an Angel, he cannot be guilty of the instruction he didn't violate.

Let me ask you,
Did Eve also prostrate to Adam or she wasn't created yet?


Quran 2:34
And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.

Allah said: he spoke to the Angels, he did not say he spoke to the Angels and Jinn!

AntiChristian:
Yes. All creatures that feeds has a need for it! So if Angels eat, they should also be able to urinate and shit out the waste!

Yes, eating is not embedded by Allah in their operating system.

Yeah, more like Jacob beating the hell out of an angel!

K. Now you can rest well after enough diversion from the thread!

If I get you correctly, when Jibril became or appeared as a perfect man, he did not breathe, because only humans breathe.

He did not speak using his mouth/tongue because angels don't speak with physical mouths. Do angels have tongues and teeths?

He did not put on any dress as Angels do not put on clothings made of cotton or hides! Do angels need to put on human clothes?

I remember that Jibril did not put on shoes as only humans need to put on shoes. Do angels need to put on shoes?




Can you see how comical your position is!?

Ohyoudidnt:
Angels are on earth performing various functions however they are amongst the things of the unseen.

You need to know is Iblis an angel or was he?
The nature of Jinn is definitely not as that of angels.

You will notice that you refused to answer the questions presented to give your own

I said:
Were angels cast down to earth with Iblis according to your religion?

Can you say with your full chest that angels belong to the earth?


Tell me, who did Allah ask to prostrate to Adam, was it the Angels or the Jinn?

Your mischievous misconception of the nature of Angels and Demons is what is causing you pains now.

AntiChristian:
That's what is in your Bible! Angels can eat, procreate and fight humans and lose!

To you, Angels can EAT mean Angels need to EAT!?

AntiChristian:
In Islam they don't eat! In the Bible they can do everything a human can do even die like Jesus and maybe rise up again!

You should say that in Islam, Angels CANNOT eat even if they are in a position to eat.

AntiChristian:
Having tooth and tongue doesn't mean they can chew! A whale has tongue and tooth but doesn't use them in feeding!
An Angel appears as a man but is not a man!

If in Islam angels can appear as Perfect a Perfect man, it means that in that state, whatever a man can do, they can and even more.

But , what can I say
Allah is limited, he is NOT Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent

How much more Allah's Angels who are even more limited! Islamic Angels are not very different from the Angels known by Abraham.

This distinction is enough for me!

AntiChristian:
They don't eat because they don't need nourishment to survive! They only resemble men in appearance and are not really human!

Jesus needed to grow up as well as your angels! So they needed to eat, be able to copulate as well as die like any other humans!

Muslims can twist words to propagate lies: who says angels needed to eat. Where did you read it as a claim by Jews or Christians?

They don't eat and they can't eat are two different things!

Are you saying that the perfect Jibril didn't have teeth and tongues to eat if he decides to?

Ohyoudidnt:
Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Do these angels remain in heaven serving those who will inherit salvation?

Were angels cast down to earth with Iblis according to your religion?

Can you say with your full chest that angels belong to the earth?

AntiChristian:
That's your biblical angels!

Not ours!

Those angels stationed on earth are still heavenly beings to you!

Abeg! He don do!

Those angels are earthly angels according to Antichristian as their permanent abode is Mecca and Medina!
SMH!

AntiChristian:
You accused me of telling lies when you can't bring out the word "heavenly beings" from any islamic text! And you want me to answer you?

I even tried giving you a response!

If angels bare not heavenly beings, they must be earthly beings!

Muslims can lie for the continent of Africa

AntiChristian:
Abraham practiced strict monotheism not trinity! He never knew Jesus as God, part of God or son of God! And he was against polytheism! Allah says he's a Muslim, a "Hanif", a Muslim and he's not of those who associates god with God!

Islam is the religion of all Prophets!

Repeating the same things doesn't make it the truth.

Abraham did eat with Angels: Islamic angels cannot eat even if they wanted to.

Meaning that the Angels of Islam are different from that of Abraham

SIRTee15:
I find it very disturbing that an Angel blew into Mary's garment.
what is Angel's business with a women's privacy?

Tell him to give you every synonyms for
1. Sleeve
2. Garments
3. Womb
and see if he would arrive at Farjaha

Tell Antichristian to give you five Arabic sentences with the word Farjaha
Lets see if anyone will give the meaning as sleeve or garment


Farjiha means only one thing in Arabic: Female Vulva or Vagina


Tafsir Ibn Kathir Quran 66:11-12
(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) meaning, through the angel Jibril. Allah sent the angel Jibril to Maryam, and he came to her in the shape of a man in every respect. Allah commanded him to blow into a gap of her garment and that breath went into her womb through her private part; this is how `Isa was conceived. This is why Allah said here,

(And We breathed into it through Our Ruh, and she testified to the truth of her Lords Kalimat, and His Kutub,) meaning His decree and His legislation.

Tafsir Quran 66.10-12 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
That is, without her having any connection with a man, Allah breathed into her womb a Spirit from Himself. (For explanation, see E.N.'s 212, 213 of An-Nisa' and E.N. 89 of Al-Anbiya').

Reference for the two Tafsirs above https://quranx.com/tafsirs/66.12

Lies that Muslims cannot tell doesn't exist yet

gaskiyamagana:
I pity those who are engaging you in discussion about Islam and futiley wanted to convince you, anti Islam robotically programed.

Because Islam is a corrupted Arian religion serving Baal without knowing because the greatest Deceiver has imprisoned their reasoning faculty.

Only at death would majority discover that they have followed the Antichrist rather than the Messiah!

gaskiyamagana:
The angel sent as man to Marry is your headache about Islam, your biblical God that fought with Jacob as a man and was even defeated by Jacob didn't concern you, abi?

Not one bit. Because when my son was a toddler, I allow him beat me in wrestling match.

Too bad for Islam: incoherent collection of lies and fabrications that cannot withstand small questioning.

When Jibril became a man, did he stop being an angel?

AntiChristian:
I was thinking you wilk show where the word heavenly beings appear in the Qur'an or Sunnah but you just confirmed it was your holy spirit derived interpretation which is wrong! There's nothing like "heavenly beings" in Islam.

Angels are not stationed only in heaven! Some are with us protecting us, some writing our deeds, etc. Are they earthly beings since they are with us?

And I mentioned Malik the gatekeeper of hell!

We talk only about what happened and what is clearly apparent! Allah can do all things! He sent Angel Jubril a d he appeared as a man to Mary to deliver Allah's message to her!


Good!
Please Four Questions
1. When the Jibril became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being an Angel?
2. When the WORD of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Word of Allah?
3. When the SPIRIT of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Spirit from Allah?

4. Do you doubt that Jesus was a spirit, word before he was born of Mary?

Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Muslims are a bunch of people who will insist that a WRONG is RIGHT even when you show them evidence from what they have said.
On this I rest my case!

Conveniently, you avoided the four questions I asked!
Ba damu'a!

AntiChristian:
Is that not obvious? Stop all this asinine questions!

You are afraid to say the obvious: it isn't a contradiction,

I hope your conscience is speaking to you!

AntiChristian:
So since you know all this why all the trouble?

Angels can eat and bleep when they come to earth. This makes Jesus and God too qualify to do same when they come to earth!

This is against the Islamic belief and doesn't even make sense!

No problem.
It just shows that it is Taqqiya to call Islam the religion of Abraham.

AntiChristian:
An angel in the appearance of a man!

You did NOT answer the question:

Is this a contradiction that the Man Mary saw was an angel?

Ohyoudidnt:
Fundamentally unless you want to produce new findings. Jibril and other angels appear for limited time in whichever form unlike Jesus who went through the period of pregnancy and was born.

Jesus ate, drank, slept and performed human functions but Jibril didn't and generally angels neither eat nor drink.

The word of God, his command, created light and so many things yet these are not God or are they? These are manifestation of his command. Flesh is a result of God commanding it into existence.

Jubril didnt change to a man simply because he looks like a man is very correct but you and your partner appear to spin different with your misconception of appearance as a man.




Are emotions physical seen and able to eat, drink, sleep and others? Please do grant me this ability to physically see emotions and interact with them as I do with physical beings.

An emotion is intangible or isn't it?

Islamic Angels seem to be different from the Angels known by Abraham and Moses.

Abraham will tell you that he entertained Angels with food?
Abraham served three angels a feast of bread, milk, butter, and a calf in Genesis 18:1–8



Indeed not only is
Allah different from YHWH
Isa different from Jesus
Islamic Paradise different from the Paradise of Jesus
and the Angels of Allah is different from the Angels of YHWH!

Tellmeastory:
YOU REASON LIKE A PATHETIC, DISGUSTING SLAVE.

SELLOUT UNCLE TOM PIG.

IF SHE IS DISPLAYING HER HATRED FOR BLACKS AND HER NIGERIAN HERITAGE, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DIDN’T APPOINT HER TO CARRY OUT SOMETHING BAD AGAINST YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE IN FUTURE?

EMPTY-HEADED DUNCE.

SO EASY TO USE, MANIPULATE, DECEIVE AND BRAINWASH YOU DISGRACE OF A PEOPLE.

You didn't disappoint me one bit as a brute mule is not prone to reason!
Have a great night!

AntiChristian:
She saw a man!

But the Man Mary saw was an angel!

Is this a contradiction?

AntiChristian:
Only a fools calls one a liar without even understanding ones position! What does heavenly beings mean? It has no meaning in Islam. Allah is above the heavens and rose over His throne! Call angels Angels! Call God God! Call Allah Allah! And angels are stationed everywhere Allah wills them to be. Malik is the gatekeeper of hell! Is Malik an heavenly being?
If you don't understand one's position just desist from putting the lies on me! As far as I know you are the ignorant liar here!

It seem you forgot so son what you said:
You said: "We don't have heavenly beings in Islam!"
Quran 7:11
Surely We created you, then shaped you, then said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs, who refused to prostrate with the others.


Please where is Paradise according to Islam? Is it in heaven or on earth or somewhere else?

Please, where is Bait-ul-Ma'mur? Is it on earth?

Sahih Muslim 164a
the rivers of Paradise, and as regards the two manifest ones, they are the Nile and the Euphrates. Then the Bait-ul-Ma'mur was raised up to me. I said: O Gabriel! what is this? He replied: It is the Bait-ul-Ma'mur. Seventy thousand angels enter into it daily and, after they come out, they never return again. Two vessels were then brought to me.

Is it untrue that Seventy thousand angels enter into Bait-ul-Ma'mur daily and, after they come out, they never return again. ?

Are these Angels not heavenly Beings?

Are there not SEVEN heavens according to your prophet?

AntiChristian:
Allah is All-Powerful and once again this seems to me to be a foolish question since you know Allah has power to do all things! But of what use is an angel becoming a man when man is already available in his place?

Did Allah tell you that Jibril wasnt perfectly human when he appeared to Mary or you are just cooking up what you think?
If Allah is ALL powerful, can't he make Jibril everysense a man?

AntiChristian:
Angels do not become men! Angel Jubril and Angel of death to be specific, temporary appears as men to whoever Allah wills.

They are perfect men in appearance i.e. they have all what a normal man has!

Good!
Please Four Questions
1. When the Jibril became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being an Angel?
2. When the WORD of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Word of Allah?
3. When the SPIRIT of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Spirit from Allah?

4. Do you doubt that Jesus was a spirit, word before he was born of Mary?

Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

For once, Omokri spoke some facts

If Kemi truly want to become the future Prime Minister of UK, she should use her senses and avoid associations that can derail her mission.

There is TIME for Everything
A time to SPEAK and a time to be SILENT!

Kemi had chosen wisely!

AntiChristian:
They are not!

Is it untrue then that Mary saw a Physical Jibril?

AntiChristian:
Yes, he appeared as a perfect man!

So, is it true that while Jibril appeared as a perfect man (indistinguishable from a human man) he still was an Angel?

AntiChristian:
We don't have heavenly beings in Islam! They are Angels. They can not become human! They can appear as human!
Jesus was born human by a human woman! Angels only appear as a human! They are not born!

Becoming a man is not the same as appearing as a man!

This is false! Prophet Muhammad saw Angel Gabriel in its true form by Allah's permission! And no human ever achieved this feat as far as i know!

You are the one who can't differentiate between "becoming a man" and "appearing as a man"!

Antichrists Antichristian: why do Muslims tell lies every time as if their life depend on it?

If Angels are NOT Heavenly beings, are you saying that All the stories of your Prophet when he ascended on the Al_Burak with Jibril to the first, secon d, third, fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh heaven are pure lies?

Angels must be earthly beings then! LOL!!


Secondly,
You said that Angels CANNOT become human!
Is it because of the powerlessness of Allah?

If Angels become appear as PERFECT Humans, do they have indistinguishable Human Flesh, Human Blood, Human Organs etc?

Ohyoudidnt:
No you are misunderstanding my answer. That the angels were not in their heavenly nature doesn't equate to them becoming human.

Angel Jibril never became a man but took the appearance of a man towards enabling communication.

Are you trying to claim there are records of angel Jibril eating or doing manly activities or worse?

What does it mean that an entity (Jibril) appeared as a PERFECT MAN?
Does it mean that such[b] an entity (Jibril)[/b] is INDISTINGUISHABLE from a Human Being?

NOETHNICITY:
Another ignorant man spotted
So you don’t know Ukrainian government is colluding with terrorists in the Sahel to destabilize those countries to spite Russia
Too many babies on this platform

I guess you are the new breed MOSSAD-FBI-FSB who investigated this and recorded all the evidence.

May you kindly present just one of the evidences you have gathered other than hearsay from propaganda sources?

fawaz050:
Based on this your logic, it's safe to say God came down, got mauled by his own creation, and died?

Why hasn't he come down again since then, given the evil present now is gargantuan compared to then?

Is anything impossible for God?

Is death to you a kind of Annihilation or change in existence?

Who says that Christ is NOT coming back again? Even Muslims attests to that!

AntiChristian:
That's false! A man can die. Can an Angel die when they become man?



The main difference between "become" and "appear" is that "become" means to start to be something, while "appear" means to come into view or seem to look a certain way.

You can become angry. That's means you transitioned from not being angry to being angry! But when you appear to be angry you may be truly angry or just faking it.

If Jibril came or appeared as a perfectly formed man: are you saying that he wasn't a perfectly formed man?

What happened to the kunfayakun of Allah if he cannot make Jubril indistinguishable from any man?

Ohyoudidnt:
So lame. So if a boy dresses up as a girl in a dress with wig and make up so he appears as a girl he has become a girl?

Quran 19:17
screening herself off from them. Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed.

Is Bobrisky a perfectly formed woman?


Allah says that Jibril came to Mary as a perfectly formed man: stop telling lies


Are you saying that Allah doesn't know what he is saying?
Are you saying that the kunfayakun of Allah cannot turn Jibril into a perfectly formed man?

AntiChristian:
Yes, he appeared as a perfect man!

Why is it that Muslims cant answer simple questions?

The Question was:
Did Jibril stop being an angel when he became a man?