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Muslim will mistranslate the Qur'an just to sell off to gullible people that Jibril is the Holy Spirit.


Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit/Soul, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit/Soul, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit/Soul and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give




The argument of creation of the soul/spirit fall down flat: why?
1. Who is the One Breathing the Spirit? It is Allah?
2. Is Jibril the spirit of Allah?
3. Is the spirit an attribute or creation of Allah

MaxInDHouse:
YES! They were preached to about the coming of Christ that's what he was reading aloud when the Holy Spirit moved Philip to go and teach him about Jesus of Nazareth.
It's through Philip's teaching that the Eunuch realized he must be baptized! Act 8:34-36


Of course they were preached to and just as i went back to compare what JWs taught me with the scriptures that's exactly what they did! Act 17:11

You are not much different from Muslims with telling blatant lies in twisting the scriptures to fit your preferred narrative.


The Eunuch came to Jerusalem for worship as a Jewish proselyte .

Acts 8:27-35:
"And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the Spirit said to Philip, Go near, and join yourself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understand you what you read? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray you, of whom speaks the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached to him Jesus."

He heard of Jesus for the first time through Phillip sir.

Did the Bereans study the Bible WITH the Apostles ?

No sir!

BUT, since your claim is that they were having Bible studies with the Apostles,
With which of the Apostles did they study the Bible with: Mr Liar!

With Judas!?

honesttalk21:
A single response to the misconception.


This verse indicates that the spirit of Allah is a divine element present in all creation, symbolizing the life and vitality that He bestows upon His creatures.

Is the RUH a creation of Allah or an Attribute of Allah?

Can any Muslim help us with the answer to this question:

Why did Allah not answer the question of the Jews which the posed to Mohammed about the SPIRIT knowing that the Christians and Jews have a different concept of it from Islam

Instead, Allah's gave the vague response:

Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.

MaxInDHouse:
Did Jesus agree with INDEPENDENT thoughts?

John 8:32:
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

For those who replaced the Holy Spirit with "Wolves in Sheepskin", I have this word

John 14:26:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you."

Aemmyjah:
They went to study the scriptures if what Paul told them were so.

The Ethiopian Eunuch could have adopted independent thinking and ignored Philip. Why did the Holy Spirit guide Philip to meet him instead of allowing the Eunuch to reach whatever conclusion he likes?


If you give your students mathematical test and they all arrive at the same answers. Will you not be pleased? What happens when a student adopt his own independent ideology, reject the teacher and allow himself to do whatever he likes

Did ANYONE preach to the Ethiopian Eunuch about Christ prior to this encounter with Philip?


Did the Bereans study the Bible WITH the Apostles ?

It is a Yes or No question!

honesttalk21:
A single response to the misconception.

In Islam, the concept of the Spirit of Allah (Ruhullah) is a profound and mysterious aspect of creation that is mentioned in the Qur'an and Hadith. The term "Ruh" (spirit) is used in various contexts to describe different aspects of creation, including human beings, angels, and other entities. Each instance of the Spirit of Allah in relation to Adam, Jesus, Jibril, and other creation carries unique meanings and significance:

Hello my friend.
My problem is that most of you Muslims have been trying to redefine the RUH as NAFS so as to make your answers fit into your preferred standard Islamic narrative.

I asked the question to force the Truth out of the error of Islam:
"Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?"


For indeed, the best you Muslims can know about the spirit is
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.

Unfortunately, contrary to the given knowledge of Islam, ALL Muslims seem to know what the RUH of Allah is: Angel Jibril

Secondly, Christians and Jews know what the Spirit is and this was why the Jews asked your prophet the question:
What about the spirit?
For every prophet is directly spoken to by God by His Holy Spirit (not an Angel)

honesttalk21:
1. Spirit of Allah in Adam (peace be upon him):
In the Qur'an, it is mentioned that Allah created Adam (peace be upon him) with His own hands and breathed into him of His spirit:

(So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.) (Qur'an 38:72)

The Spirit of Allah in Adam (peace be upon him) signifies the special creation and honor bestowed upon him by Allah, as he was the first human being and the father of humanity.

You can see how you quickly fell into the errors of the standard Islamic narrative by mistranslating Quran 48:72 by replacing RUH with NAFS

You have three problems
1. The Arabic of Allah is not good enough as he meant NAFS and not RUH in the verse.
2. Since the Rūh of Allah is Holy: then Did Allah breath Jibril into Adam?
3. If Jibril is Rūh Al-Qudus, are Angels of Allah Spirits?

honesttalk21:
2. Spirit of Allah in Jesus (peace be upon him):
As mentioned earlier, Prophet Isa (Jesus, peace be upon him) is also referred to as "Ruhullah" in the Qur'an due to his miraculous birth and his role as a prophet and messenger of Allah. The Qur'an emphasizes his unique creation and status as a righteous servant of Allah.

The argument of Jesus referred to as Ruhulla is due to his miraculous birth is a terribly lame argument!
Why?
1. How is it a miracle when apart from Mary, there was no evidence?
2. Adam and Eve are more qualified to be the Ruhulla than Jesus because they don't even have neither a father or mother.
Why is Adam not also Ruhulla?

Secondly, You will note that nowhere in the Qur'an did Allah call Jibril a spirit BUT Jesus was called a spirit from him.

If Jesus is the Spirit from Allah, is he the Unholy Spirit or the Holy spirit?

Is there anyone else in the Universe described as a spirit by Allah?

So what is your evidence that Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit but Jibril is?

honesttalk21:
3. Spirit of Allah in Jibril (peace be upon him):
The Angel Jibril (Gabriel, peace be upon him) is known as "Ruh al-Amin" (the Trustworthy Spirit) in Islamic belief, highlighting his role as the angel of revelation who brought the divine messages from Allah to the prophets. Jibril (pbuh) is honored for his faithful conveyance of Allah's guidance to the prophets and his pivotal role in the transmission of divine revelation.

The problem is that this is an invention of you Muslims rather than Allah.

Otherwise, the Question of the Jews:
"What about the spirit?"
Would have the answer:
The Spirit is Angel Jibril who brings the Qur'an down to Mohammed


Moreover, you have another problem in your hand.
If this is true, then the Spirit is a LIVING BEING: such that Jibril as a spirit is a living being.

Then the question again is:
What is Allah breathing into mud moulded as Adam? Is it a living being?

honesttalk21:
4. Spirit of Allah in other creation:
The concept of the Spirit of Allah is not limited to Adam, Jesus, and Jibril, but extends to all creation in various forms. The Qur'an mentions that Allah has created everything, including human beings, animals, and the natural world, with His divine spirit:

(And I have blown into him of My spirit.) (Qur'an 15:29)

This verse indicates that the spirit of Allah is a divine element present in all creation, symbolizing the life and vitality that He bestows upon His creatures.

This is close to the Christian theology.

But then some of you Muslims deny that a human being is a Trinity of his BODY, NAFS and RUH.

Moreover, if
1. Jesus is a RUH and is a Living Personality
2. Jibril is RUH and is a Living Personality

1. Then what argument do you have against the notion that the RUH in man is a Living Personality?
2. If the Rūh in a man gives Life, what then is the purpose of the Nafs in man?




You will agree with me that while Islam deny the nature of the spirit according to the Jews and Christians, Islam give no clearer description.
Islam is thus truly fully confused about the nature of the Spirit!

MaxInDHouse:
You're just thirsty for fruitless arguments the Bible made it clear that Apostle Paul preached to both the Thessalonians as well as Beroeans the Thessalonians didn't doubt what they heard after witnessing miracles just as people like you are carried away with miracles but the Beroeans went back to meditate on what they heard so as to draw a conclusion after diligent study of what they knew before.

You can't compare yourself to the Beroeans because you know nothing about the true God, Jesus or the Apostles as you're advocating independent thought.

If there was independent thoughts why did God gave rules on how His worshipers must do things stating:
"You must not do this, You must not do that" Exodus 20:3-17
And Jesus won't say he does nothing apart from what his father approves! John 5:19; 8:28

So guy you know nothing about the true God, Jesus or his apostles humble yourself and learn!

Did the Bereans study the Scriptures INDEPENDENTLY from the Apostles to confirm if what they said was true?

MaxInDHouse:
The Beroeans were students of the scriptures already so they were conversant with Genesis to Malachi therefore all what the disciples of Christ told them as fellow disciples was that they have found the Messiah (Christ)
Any student of the scriptures knows where to start his or her findings by going through all the prophecies having to do with the Christ in the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi.
Today why do we need to study the Bible entirely with the true Christians?
Because we aren't Bible students before and we don't even know anything about the prophecies having to do with the Christ in the Old Testament.
To have accurate knowledge of the scriptures we must study the Bible with the true Christians from Genesis to Revelations unlike the Beroeans who already had the knowledge of the scriptures through teachings from the Judaists who made them Jewish proselytes.
For your information that's why Jesus told his disciples to go throughout the earth and make disciples of people baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit {Matthew 28:19} this requires teaching this pagans all they need to know about the one and only true God and all His wonderful works of old which He did through His Holy Spirit and the role His only begotten Son will play in the salvation of obedient mankind.
You will notice that the disciples of Christ only baptized the Jewish proselytes in Jesus name that's because those proselytes already had the knowledge of the true God and how His Holy Spirit works what they don't know is that the Christ (Messiah) has come and gone in person of Jesus Christ.
That's why Peter told his listeners in the day of Pentecost to get baptized in the name of Jesus whom they have never heard anything about before telling them that he (Jesus) is the Christ all worshipers of God has been expecting! Act 2:38
If you have any question feel free to ask your grievances doesn't show that you're knowledgeable in the scriptures it only shows impatience on your part!

Did the Bereans study the Bible WITH the Apostles ?

It is a Yes or No question!

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what all noble minded people should do but did each of them study the Bible on his own or they as a group studied the scriptures having in mind what Jesus' disciples told them about their leader that he is the Christ?


Definitely the apostles of Jesus were a cult because this is what they did:

And they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to associating together, to the taking of meals, and to prayers. Act 2:42

So whoever has any independent thoughts or conclusions that contradicts theirs is not welcome as a believer!

However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10 and Ephesians 4:3

Surely the apostles were a cult and Jesus supported this act:

"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one." John 17:22

The Bible says: "the Bereans studied the Scriptures with the Apostles!?"
SMH!

Qasim6:
What is Ruach (Ruh) according to Judaism and Christianity?

The Ruh (Ruach) or Spirit in Christianity and Judaism is different from the Ruh in Islam.
God is a Spirit and the father of All Spirits. God's Angels are Spirits. Human beings are Bodies which has the Soul and Spirit. When God's spirit comes upon a man, Power is released to such a man.

As a Spirit, God is Omnipresent (like AIR or WIND) and is EVERYWHERE

Qasim6:
Do Jews believe the Holy spirit (RU'AH HA-KODESH) Is God too like the trinitarian Christains?

Job 33:4
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Gen 1:1-3
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Psalm 139:7-8
Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.

Qasim6:
You said God is a Spirit in Christainity, by God do you mean the Father? Or do you mean The Father, Son and Holy spirit are all Spirits?

God Yahweh is the Father
God Yahweh is the Word
God Yahweh is the Holy Spirit

John 4:24:
“God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Qasim6:
And Angels are made from Light and not Fire in Islam.

Okay!



My own Question:
Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?


Note:
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”

Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His spirit. And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.

Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

MaxInDHouse:
In the first century Jewish community there were numerous religious sects all claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham but then there is contradictions among them as they had different schools of thought headed by a body called Pharisees. Each Pharisee had his own Rabbinic school where students were thought to become Pharisees in the future, the Apostle Paul was tutored in one of these Rabbinic schools under a Pharisee whose name is Gamaliel! Act 22:3 compare to Act 5:34

So when Jesus of Nazareth began preaching and teaching throughout all the district of Judea and his teaching didn't match any of their Rabbinic schools {Matthew 7:28-29} they all ganged up to incriminate him because they were envious thinking that with his teachings Jesus will win the heart of all their people! John 11:48

They conspired with Roman politician called Pontius Pilate and killed Jesus of Nazareth believing that their troubles are over not until Jesus' disciples began preaching and teaching that the man killed as a blasphemer is actually the long awaited Messiah! Act 2:36

This is what Jesus' disciples were preaching and teaching with zeal that led to crisis among the Jews in the first century as their leaders began hunting Jesus' disciples telling them to stop claiming that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah) Act 4:18; 5:28

So in every land where Judaism has become a religion among people of other nations Jesus' disciples quickly gained the attention of people who were Jewish proselytes as all these people were also in expectation of the Messiah.

Noteworthy are Jewish proselytes found in an ancient city called Beroea these proselytes heard what Jesus' disciples preached but since the Jewish religious sects that taught them Judaism never told them anything like that they were skeptical about Jesus' disciples even though Jesus' disciples were performing great signs and wonders in Jesus name the Beroean proselytes didn't just jump at them to accept their message unlike their fellow proselytes in Thessalonica they were studying the scriptures diligently everyday to be sure that what Jesus' disciples are saying is true! Act 17:11

Now the question each Bible student need to ask himself or herself today:

*Am i noble minded like the Jewish proselytes in the first century Beroean community?

*Since there was only the Old Testament (Genesis - Malachi) that was available back then how were they convinced that Jesus is the Messiah?

*Why did they choose to study the scriptures instead of believing the disciples of Jesus and not minding their miraculous works?

*How can i be noble minded like them today?

1. They did an independent STUDY of the Bible by THEMSELVES: they did not assume the Apostles cannot lie are say that which is UNTRUE.
2. They did an independent VERIFICATION of the Scripture by THEMSELVES: they did not assume the Apostles cannot lie are say that which is UNTRUE.
2. The came to an independent CONCLUSION by themselves through Reason , looking at the SCRIPTURES and they did not in the name of SAMENESS follow Doctrines of their Teachers.

Because of these, they were NOBLE

Any Organisation that forbids INDEPENDENCE of Thought, Reason and Conclusion on Scriptural TRUTHS is a CULT!

darediamond:
Who created the so called "fate" that Ukrain have found itself?

Why did USA frown about Russia stationing Her Missiles añd Launchers in Cuba?

Was it equally RIGTH for USA to invade IRAQ, Vietnam and others that they illegally occupied?

You are asking questions that you already truthfully know that correct answers to. Why?

Why should there be a BRICS+ plus Block if Britain and USA, the owner of NATO respects the desires and decisions of other Nations that shares the Planet Earth Surfaces with them?

So you agree African Nations leaving the Anglo-America canopy NOW prefers RUSSIA abo? So tell me, why actually are they dumping the WAR MONGERING group?

See, you are an African and I know you know the PURE TRUTH from lies buy you are only trying to sound politically correct.

I answered your preveous questions please answer mine before further new questions

Was it right for Putin to Arm with Assault Rifles and Armoured tanks the ethnic Russians in Ukraine to fight Ukrainians? Do you disagree with the fact that, Whoever is armed to kill can be killed to protect the civil populace of a nation


You did not answer my own Questions:
1. Is it right to abandon Ukraine to her fate with Russia?
2. Is it Right for Russia to invade a sovereign nation? What about dialogue?
3. Was it right for Putin to Arm with Assault Rifles and Armoured tanks the ethnic Russians in Ukraine to fight Ukrainians?
4. Do you disagree with the fact that, Whoever is armed to kill can be killed to protect the civil populace of a nation?
5. Why is it that almost ALL Russia's neighbours are afraid of them UNLESS the ones whose government is a puppet run from Russia (like Belarus)

AbuTwins:
You even try!
Foolish questions too much!
Let him explain the breath of Yahweh Elohim too!

Ignoramus upon ten!

Unfortunately for you,
The Ruh (Ruach) or Spirit in Christianity and Judaism is different from the Ruh in Islam.
God is a Spirit and the father of All Spirits. God's Angels are Spirits. Human beings are Bodies which has the Soul and Spirit. When God's spirit comes upon a man, Power is released to such a man.

In Christianity and Judaism, God is a SPIRIT.

God put part of Himself into Adam and Adam became a LIVING SOUL!

In Islam;
1. Is Allah a SPIRIT?
NO!
2. Jibril is the Holy Spirit!
Angels are not made of Spirit (they are made from light), therefore Jibril was made from light and thus NOT a spirit!

I challenge you to show me any passage of the Quran where Allah claim that Jibril is the Holy Spirit?
Is it untrue that the only one categorically called a spirit in Islam is Isa?


But the problem now is:

Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?

AntiChristian:
This one too na lie!
Eat your lies then!

Then YHWH Elohim formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

All Humans have the breath at conception too!


I no get your time any longer!

Unfortunately for you,
The Ruh (Ruach) or Spirit in Christianity and Judaism is different from the Ruh in Islam.
God is a Spirit and the father of All Spirits. God's Angels are Spirits. Human beings are Bodies which has the Soul and Spirit. When God's spirit comes upon a man, Power is released to such a man.

In Islam:
The Ruh in Islam is Jibril.
Allah is NOT Ruh
Jibril is an Angel, and Angels are not made of spirit.
You cannot even show us one clear verse of the Quran where Allah says that Jibril is a spirit.
Isa is also a Spirit.

Clearly, even in Islam, the Spirit is a LIVING Being.

1. Till today, Islamic inconsistencies cannot tell us if Jibril was the breathe Allah breath into Adam?
2. The Jews asked your prophet: What about the spirit!

Both Allah and your prophet were lost and couldn't answer the question.

The spirit of Islam is NOT the spirit that worked with All the prophets of God from inception.


* You can run away all you want, but the TRUTH will always catch up on you!

What do we see in the Qur'an:
1. Rūh can take several forms as a person and thus (78:38) the Spirit can appear also appear in human form, such as in the case of the rūh that interacts with Mary (19:17).

2. The Quran even describes Jesus as rūh in one instance (4:171)

3.  Additionally, Rūh is referred to as Rūh al-Qudus (the Holy Spirit), al-Rūh al-Amin (the Trustworthy Spirit), or simply al-Rūh, and My/His (God's) Rūh.

4. The Spirit is the source of human life and the Breathe of Allah himself as stated in Qur'an 32:9

5. "My/His (God's) Spirit" in 15:29, 32:9 and 38:72 figuratively as God's power


Note:
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”

Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His spirit. And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.

Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

AntiChristian:
Me sef no get your time again!

Why is Islam full of Lies upon Lies?
Why is it that Islam has to rewrite history to be whole?

Why is it that no one can trust your translations as you have doctored it?


Questions:
1. If Jibril is the Holy Spirit indeed, was he the one who gave life to Adam in Qur'an 32:9. Was Jibril the the thing Allah blew into Adam in Qur'an 15:29
2. What's meant by the term "spirit of Allah" and subsequently, what does it mean that Jesus is the Spirit from Allah?
3. Is the spirit of Allah an attribute of Allah? If the spirit is an attribute of Allah, how comes it is a personality like Allah?

AbuTwins:
The phrase "breath of Allah" does not exist in the Qur'an so it is not an attribute of Allah. "She-camel of Allah", "Slaves of Allah", "Messenger of Allah", "House of Allah" and others that exists as a Phrase on their own giving honor to what is attached. Breath of Allah does not exist! It is just an action!

If you check these verses, the RUH is singular. Allah does not have different SPIRITS to breath into people.
Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

What is Allah breathing into Adam?

AbuTwins:
Okay! Allah created Adam from dust! Where is the Soul? There is no lie here but you are the one confused with your trinitarian thought process! "My Spirit (Soul)" above is the spirit (Soul) created by Allah!

Allah blew his SOUL into Adam!?

AbuTwins:
They are correct since Allah created the Spirit/Soul for each of His creations!

So , you correct the words of Allah to mean
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the SOUL. Say: The SOUL is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My the spirit SOUL, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His the spirit SOUL And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.
Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My the spirit SOUL into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

It seems Allah did not know what he was saying, hence it is the duty of Muslims to re-explain it!

AbuTwins:
Spirits are beings we can't see ordinarily! That's a vague English interpretation!

So, you now admit that Angels are Ruh?

AbuTwins:
There are three creations of Allah viz:

Humans- Humans can't see the Jinns and Angel.
Angels - Angels
Jinn -




[quote author=AbuTwins post=130586888]So the breath of Allah that made Adam come to life is standing in the row with Angels in Qur'an 78:38, does this make sense to you?

Why not Isa: at least Isa is also a spirit?
What is your evidence that it is not Isa?

AbuTwins:
I think i quoted the verse that Jubril is the messenger of revelation earlier.
Go back to it!
You will always refer someone to what has been quoted before to you!
And tomorrow you will start again!
What's the point?

The question was: Is Jibril the Breath of Allah?
Its a YES or NO question!

AntiChristian:
No mind the guy!
Na continous argument he enjoys!

He will keep asking what you've answered again and again!
Then he'll move to a whole new question!

I am not like you Muslims who swallow ANYTHING you are given whether it makes sense or not .

In your attempts to misinterpret the Qur'an so that it will say exactly what you want it to say.

When people tell lies, they need more lies to keep it up.

Now, we see that even with your lies, you don't have an answer to basic questions.

Is Jibril the Breath of Allah?
Is "The Angels and the Spirit standing in rows" Jibril or Jesus?

Just say you have no answers to simple basic questions!

AntiChristian:
How will it be suspicious to me when i know the context and don't judge with just one or two reports i see? We believe those who believed in Jesus and Moses and followed their ways till death are Muslims not Christians or Jew! Jesus didn't create Christianity just as Moses didn't create Judaism! So those who go by such names will end up getting the Muslim's portion of hell! That's a worthy ransom!

Everyone has their own portion of hell and heaven! When you disbelievers enter your hell, you give up your heaven to us believers!
Likewise we give up our portion of hell to you!

No one uses the dead to ransome the living.

Christians and Jews must be out of the fire for them to be useful as Ransoms for Muslims in the Fire

If Jesus did not create Christianity, why did Allah say that the Christians, the Jews and the Sabeans will enter Paradise?

AntiChristian:
The long hadith your Ken4christ friend quoted here https://www.nairaland.com/8113575/what-did-jesus-forget-why/4#130460861
The disbelievers had already followed whatever they worshipped and only Muslims and hypocrites remain!

Let's assume that you are correct,
1. Then, what are Muslims and Evildoers doing together in hell?
2. Are the Evildoers Atheists (no one to follow)
3. If you are correct, are you saying that Christians would have followed their Messiah?

See how just a little probing with questions show that the hadith is a fabrication

AntiChristian:
Some Muslims will enter hell to be punished for their sins and will be interceded for later. Isn't this clear?

This is in contradiction to Quran 19:71
Allah says that none of you can escape hell as it is a decree of Allah for you
Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

AntiChristian:
Was hell mentioned in that verse?

Then tell me what it is as ALL your scholars agree in their Tafsir that it is Hell Fire!
Quran 19:72
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."

AntiChristian:
There's nothing like body, Soul and Spirit in Islam! It is Body and Soul/Spirit. So Spirit can also mean soul.

Ruh can also mean Soul according to the context of its usage in the Qur'an!

In other words, are you saying categorically that there is no difference between SOUL(NAFS) and SPIRIT (RUH) in Islam?

Secondly, if NAFS=RUH, then the following four verses of the Quran must be correct.
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the SOUL. Say: The SOUL is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My SOUL, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His SOUL And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.
Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My SOUL into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

The implication of this is that Jibril is the Breath of Allah!

Is Jibril the SOUL of Allah?

AntiChristian:
Allah's breath is what made Adam come to life. That's the created soul for Adam. Same for Jesus! The Spirit/Soul was created for him!

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:17

It is a creation of Allah!

Let me get you clearly:
You are saying that the Breath of Allah is NOT an Attribute of Allah BUT a creation of Allah?

Probably you dont understand the Question
The Power of Allah, the Knowledge of Allah, the Word of Allah ALL come from within Allah, where does the Breath of Allah comes from?

Must you tell lies to defend Allah and Islam?

AntiChristian:
All is the creator of everything! He created the souls of all things with soul and the soul is from Him. So the soul belongs to Him. Allah gave Adam the soul created for him by the breath! Just as He gave Jesus the soul created for him!

This is not the Question:
Does the Breath of Allah come from within Allah or it is external to Allah (making it a creation)?

AntiChristian:
Is Slaves above singular?
Allah created many Souls of course! All of them belongs to Him!

Please show me just one place in the Quran where RUH is plural

AntiChristian:
Jibril was called a Spirit!
Was created from a soul from Allah!
Same as Genesis 2:17 above! The breath gave Adam the soul created for him!

You have to mistranslate the Quran to arrive at this conclusion.

If you are correct, then Jibril is the Breath of Allah!

Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

Please answer this question:
Was Jibril breath into Adam?

AntiChristian:
You are only confusing yourself with what is clear!

I will keep quoting the verse below that proves Jesus is a creation of Allah:

She (Mary) said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it is. Qur'an 3:43

Unfortunately, neither Adam nor Isa was created by "BE"!
A contradiction by Allah!

AntiChristian:
"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;" Qur'an 19:30

When did Jesus say this?

AntiChristian:
Ruh can mean many things in Islam. It can mean Jubril. It can mean Soul which is same as spirit.

RUH is singular everywhere in the Quran and I have shown you that RUH means SPIRIT
Even your Scholars, how come they all agree with me

Abu-al-A'la Maududi, Ibn Kathir , Alquran Alkarim , Al-Jalalayn, Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs et al. none of them describe RUH as NAFS.

I challenge you to find me a scholar of repute who uses RUH as NAFS

AntiChristian:
We don't use exact translation of isolated verses as you do the Bible!
We use contextual translation of verses and also a wholistic translation between the verses of the Qur'an!

There is no mention of anything like the breath of Allah anywhere directly!
What Allah did as part of the creation process (i.e. an action) is not His attribute!

You doctor the exact words of Allah to conform to the consensus of your scholars: of course we know that and it is called FRAUD to deceive non Arab speakers!

AbuTwins:
Where did you get that from?

The question was:
Is the breath of Allah created or it is an Attribute of Allah?

Where did I get it from? It was from your Quran:
Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

So, Is the breath of Allah created or it is an Attribute of Allah?

AbuTwins:
Ruh can also mean Nafs
Then He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him the soul (created by Allah for that person), and He gave you hearing (ears), sight (eyes) and hearts. Little is the thanks you give! (Qur'an 32:9)

Allaah also says concerning Adam (interpretation of the meaning):
“So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him”[Qur'an 15:29]

Nafs=Ruh only when you want to commit fraudulent translations.
Please check the Arabic of Qur'an 15:29 and say if words have not been inserted as a FRAUD to mislead you muslims? This is completely different from the Arabic o!
This is the correct verse
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
WHy do Muslim scholars lie through their noses?

Check these verses and tell me if they are correct
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit SOUL. Say: The Spirit SOUL is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit SOUL, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His spirit SOUL And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.
Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit SOUL into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

From the four verses above, Is the SOUL the same as SPIRIT?

Are these four verses above correct?

AbuTwins:
Angels and Jinns are spiritual beings since humans can't see them in normal circumstances!

1. How can Angels be spiritual when you Muslims deny that Angels are spirits?

AbuTwins:
It has been explained to you up there and you'll keep asking maybe till you die!
The Ruh is the head of the Angels, Gabriel and they will all stand in rows on the last day!
None of them will be able to speak except for whom Allah permits.
This is clear from the verse!

I don't know where you get the breath of Allah from!

The RUH cannot be the Head of Angels because
1. Jibril is NOT the only RUH, Jesus is also RUH
2. In Allah's Breath is the RUH
Therefore except Jibril is the Breath of Allah, the Ruh cannot be the head of Angels


Is Jibril the Breath of Allah?

darediamond:
1). Is it RIGTH for UKRAIN to kill Ukrainians Russia?

Was it right for Putin to Arm with Assault Rifles and Armoured tanks the ethnic Russians in Ukraine to fight Ukrainians? Do you disagree with the fact that, Whoever is armed to kill can be killed to protect the civil populace of a nation

darediamond:
2.) Why is USA and the little France been hurriedly ordered out of Burkinafaso, Mali and Niger?

Because the countries prefer an Alliance with Russia than them.

darediamond:
3) What benefits does non-Nato member Nations gerit from I.M.F and the covert W.H.O?

Any country that is dependent on the IMF and WHO is a fool.
None of the first world countries depend on them.


You did not answer my own Questions:
1. Is it right to abandon Ukraine to her fate with Russia?
2. Is it Right for Russia to invade a sovereign nation? What about dialogue?

What do we see in the Qur'an:
1. Rūh can take several forms as a person and thus (78:38) the Spirit can appear also appear in human form, such as in the case of the rūh that interacts with Mary (19:17).

2. The Quran even describes Jesus as rūh in one instance (4:171)

3.  Additionally, Rūh is referred to as Rūh al-Qudus (the Holy Spirit), al-Rūh al-Amin (the Trustworthy Spirit), or simply al-Rūh, and My/His (God's) Rūh.

4. The Spirit is the source of human life and the Breathe of Allah himself as stated in Qur'an 32:9

5. "My/His (God's) Spirit" in 15:29, 32:9 and 38:72 figuratively as God's power


Note:
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”

Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His spirit. And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.

Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

Islam is a compendium of contradictions and confusion. Most Muslims do not seem to be aware that their Religion is not according to either Allah or Mohammed but according to the consensus of their Scholars.

The Jews came to ask Mohammed a simple question about the Spirit (as every prophet of old relates with God as a Spirit). If indeed Mohammed is a prophet like Moses, Isaiah or Jeremiah, he must know about the Spirit of God . Thus, they asked prophet Mohammad about a question he should know the answer as a prophet.
"What about the spirit?"

Enter the Islamic Confusion: What is a Spirit?
1. Mohammed doesn't know and Allah too seems not to know
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.

The direct question of the Jews wasn't answered by Allah.

2. However, Muslim scholars seem to know what the Spirit is:
They say that the spirit is an Angel called Jibril!

Except Muslims can prove that there are several kinds or types of Rūh, they have made Jibril (a creature) an attribute of Allah by which he creates life.
Muslims will claim in error that Jibril is the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, there is not one verse of the Qur'an that states that Jibril is the Holy Spirit.
Instead, what we see is that Jibril is an Angel and thus cannot be a spirit.

Allah seals this madness of error with
Qur'an 78:38
On the Day when the Spirit and the angels stand in rows, they will not speak except for those to whom the Lord of Mercy gives permission, who will say only what is right.
Note:
The spirit is singular and if Jibril is an Angel, he CANNOT be a spirit.
Some Muslim scholars try to solve this problem by redefining the Rūh (Spirit) as Nafs (Soul) as if the words of Allah is not precise enough!

Questions:
1. If Jibril is the Holy Spirit indeed, was he the one who gave life to Adam in Qur'an 32:9. Was Jibril the the thing Allah blew into Adam in Qur'an 15:29
2. What's meant by the term "spirit of Allah" and subsequently, what does it mean that Jesus is the Spirit from Allah?
3. Is the spirit of Allah an attribute of Allah? If the spirit is an attribute of Allah, how comes it is a personality like Allah?

AntiChristian:
Where is that stated?

Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'
Another narration is: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with sins as heavy as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them".

Tell me, how would the Jews and Christians be used as ransom for you Muslims?
Is this not even suspicious to you?

AntiChristian:
The same Hadith your friend quoted!

I don't know the hadith anyone quoted unless you tell me
So, what is your reference that Non-Muslims would have been led to hell already before that!

Because Allah says that he would recognize you Muslims in hell from the mark of prostration on your head (which would not be burned by the fire)

AntiChristian:
Allah did not mention bridge as well as hell in that verse!
Allah mentioned it through the Prophet! Don't you believe it when Jesus said he judge as he hear.

Allah still did NOT mention any bridge in the Quran.

AntiChristian:
Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and Al­Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], 'Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Harun (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawud (David) We gave the Zabur (Psalms). Qur'an 4:163

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me - John 5:30
Unfortunatly, Mohammed is not qualified to be a messenger of the God of Israel.


[quote author=AntiChristian post=130575903]Yes, from hell. This is clear from the Hadith! But you lied all Muslims will enter hell. Only those with negative balance deeds will enter it.

It seem that the words of men are more important than the words of Allah to you

This is what Allah says:

Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

AntiChristian:
The term spirit is English and can mean many things out of context!
Angels are created beings like Jinns and Man.

You did not answer the question!
The question is: Are angels RUH?

AntiChristian:
Ruh in Qur'an 78:38 is the head of the Angels, Jubril. You can see that they all stand in rows apart away from Allah!

What evidence do you have that the RUH is not Jesus?
What evidence do you have that the RUH is Jibril?
What evidence do you have that the RUH is not the breathe of Allah?

AntiChristian:
All of them created!
A spirit is created by Allah!

Is the Breathe of Allah created by Allah or it is an attribute of Allah?

AbuTwins:
A Spirit is a created being! Allah created all things!
Angels are created from light! Jinns are created from fire. Humans dust!

Is the breath of Allah created or it is an Attribute of Allah?

AbuTwins:
Ruh (Spirit) is used for Jubril, human created Soul/Spirit, etc. depending on the prevailing context!

We are talking about the RUH and not NAFS sir.
And the question was:
Are angels spirits?
You did not answer the question!

AbuTwins:
The verse you quoted is not even correct! Ignoramus!

3. Tell me, which spirit is referred to in Qur'an 78:38 and how do you know?

Qur'an 78:38
On the Day when the Spirit and the angels stand in rows, they will not speak except for those to whom the Lord of Mercy gives permission, who will say only what is right.

IS the spirit Jibril, Jesus or the Breathe of Allah?

AntiChristian:
In Islam, "Ruh" can mean a created "Soul or Spirit" and it can also mean the "Angel of Revelation" aka Jubril (Gabriel) that brings down revelation to Prophets.

And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed. Qur'an 2:87

Which the trustworthy Ruh [Jibrael (Gabriel)] has brought down. Qur'an 26:193

She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibrael (Gabriel)], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.

Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ): "Whoever is an enemy to Jibrael (Gabriel) (let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Quran) down to your heart by Allah's Permission, confirming what came before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] and guidance and glad tidings for the believers. Qur'an 2: 97





Holy Spirit comes from above and descends with messages! He doesn't even fit into the context!

[b]Allah says in Qur'an 15:29:
"So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." "Ruh" here means Soul and it is created for Adam.

The Ruh (Soul) of Adam was created for him
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “I will be the leader of the people on the Day of Resurrection. Do you know why that is? Allah will gather together the first and the last in one plain, so that the onlooker will be able to see them and the caller will be able to make them hear. The sun will be brought close to them, And some of the people will say: ‘Do you not see the state you are in? Do you not see what has happened to you. Why do you not look for someone who will intercede for you with your Lord?’ Some of the people will say, ‘[Go to] your father Adam.’ So they will go to him and say, ‘O Adam, you are the father of mankind, Allah created you with His own hand and breathed into you the soul that He had created for you, and commanded the angels to prostrate to you, and He caused you to dwell in Paradise. Intercede for us with your Lord. Do you not see the state we are in? Do you not see what has happened to us?’ [Adam] will say: ‘My Lord is angry today in a way in which He has never been angry before and will never be angry again. He forbade me to approach the tree, but I disobeyed Him. Myself, myself. Go to someone else, go to Nooh…’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3340) and Muslim (194).



It simply means "Spirit created by Allah"! There are many Phrases like that in Islam like "House of Allah", "Friend of Allah", "She-Camel of Allah", "Slaves of Allah", "Messenger of Allah", etc. All of those words above mentioned with Allah are created and not His attributes!

Where is it proven that the spirit is created?
Allah says in Qur'an 3: 47 what means
She (Mary) said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said: ‘So (it will be) for Allaah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!” — and it is.

No as stated above. There are many Phrases like that in Islam like "House of Allah", "Friend of Allah", "She-Camel of Allah", "Slaves of Allah", "Messenger of Allah", etc. All of those things mentioned with Allah were created and not Allah's attributes! They are honored with the attachment!

Firstly
Even though you know clearly that
RUH = SPIRIT
and
NAFS = SOUL

You decided to perform a mistranslation by redefining RUH as NAFS which is deceptive. I will prove this by referring to three scriptures

Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

The argument of creation of the soul/spirit fall down flat: why?
Who is the One Breathing the Spirit? It is Allah's?
Whose Breath? It is Allah's

Is Allah's breathe a creation of Allah or an Attribute of Allah?


Its just like saying Allah created his Power!
Does this make sense?
Its just like saying that Allah created his Words!
Does this make sense?

So, also,
Allah's Breath is an attribute of Allah: therefore, uncreated!
Instead of AIR, Allah breath his spirit into Adam.


Secondly,
AntiChristian's example of :
"House of Allah", "Friend of Allah", "She-Camel of Allah", "Slaves of Allah", "Messenger of Allah"

NOTE: Everything here is SINGULAR exactly just as SPIRIT is singular.

How many Spirits does Allah have?

Incase AntiChristian does not understand the implication of the problem he has created for Allah,
Jibril is a SPIRIT
Isa is a SPIRIT
Allah Breathes his SPIRIT

This negates everything about Allah creating a SPIRIT;

Let me burst once and for all the SPIRIT=SOUL theory of AntiChristian with these verses. Tell me if they are correct

Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my SOUL, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my SOUL, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his SOUL and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

AntiChristian,
Are these scriptures above correct?
Can you interpret them?

AntiChristian:
The last time i corrected you the reference you quoted for the above verse does not exist! Yet you still parroted the same verse again!
Just argue blindly with lies!

Thanks for the correction, Quran 78:38

Quran 78:38
The Day that the Spirit and the angels will stand in rows, they will not speak except for one whom the Most Merciful permits, and he will say what is correct.



1. Are angels spirits?
2. Tell me, which spirit is referred to in Qur'an 78:38 and how do you know?
because Jesus is a spirit in Islam as well as Jibril
3. Is a spirit a living being or an attribute of Allah?