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StillDtruth:
So can you help the atheists to validly challenge my definition of spirit?

They should first answer my questions about the known, after that, we can delve into the unknown.

If they cant answer simple questions about the program-software in a machine, it would be a serious waste of time.

triplechoice:
You too .

See, I also subscribe to what you trying to call spirit. But the difference between you and me is the definition and the explanation of what it's.


A popular author once said that if you claim to know something but struggle to explain it clearly and simply enough for everyone to understand it, then you don't know it .

I did not once define what a spirit nor soul is!

My Question:
1. Is it TRUE that the Quran was compiled/collected during the Lifetime of Mohammed? Sahih al-Bukhari 3810
Your Reesponse:

Explore2xmore:
The Quran was revealed over 23 years with the last verse revealed not long before the death of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

At different times along with revelation some of these verses were written in parts. As a book the Quran was not fully written and compiled during the lifetime of prophet Muhammad. How many people could read at this time?

This seem to contradict
Sahih al-Bukhari 3810
Narrated Qatada:
Anas said, "The Qur'an was collected in the lifetime of the Prophet (ﷺ) by four (men), all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubai, Mu`adh bin Jabal, Abu Zaid and Zaid bin Thabit." I asked Anas, "Who is Abu Zaid?" He said, "One of my uncles."

Was the Quran partly collected by these four men?
Dont forget that Mohammed himself recommended these four experts in the Quran?



My Question:
2. If it was true that the Quran was completely collected during the lifetime of your Prophet,
a. What happened to the Quran of Muhammad that necessitated Abubakr to issue another instruction for collection of the Quran to Zaid? Sahih al-Bukhari 4679
b. Why did Zaid not just copy the Quran of Mohammed but rather choose to start his collection from the scratch?
Your Response:

Explore2xmore:
2. The Quran fully written as 1 Mushaf was not done in the lifetime of the prophet

If this was true, did Ubai, Mu`adh bin Jabal, Abu Zaid and Zaid bin Thabit record the collected Quran on parchments, scapula, leaf-stalks of date palms and they stored the remaining to the the memories of men (who knew it by heart). I found with Khuza`ima two Verses of Surat-at-Tauba ?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4679
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit Al-Ansari:
who was one of those who used to write the Divine Revelation: Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama..... So I kept on arguing with him about it till Allah opened my bosom for that which He had opened the bosoms of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started locating Qur'anic material and collecting it from parchments, scapula, leaf-stalks of date palms and from the memories of men (who knew it by heart). I found with Khuza`ima two Verses of Surat-at-Tauba which I had not found with anybody else, (and they were):-- "Verily there has come to you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty He (Muhammad) is ardently anxious over you (to be rightly guided)" (9.128) The manuscript on which the Qur'an was collected, remained with Abu Bakr till Allah took him unto Him, and then with `Umar till Allah took him unto Him, and finally it remained with Hafsa, `Umar's daughter.



If the Quran was collected at the time of Mohammed, where was it written: except the Quran was never collected during the time of Mohammed

You did not answer:
Why did Zaid not just copy the Quran of Mohammed but rather choose to start his collection from the scratch?

My third Question:
3. According to Zaid when he was compiling the Quran of Abubakar, he found the last verse Quran 9:128-129 with an Ansar.
a. If we assume that the Quran of Abubakar was complete, how come that Quran 33:23 was NOT found in the Quran of Abubakar but with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari? Sahih al-Bukhari 4530


Your Response:

Explore2xmore:
3 As verses were written in line with revelation and not collected as a book despite quite a number haven memorised it was important to get both written verses as well as oral recall to ensure authenticity.

*I think I have shown you that the Quran was collected during the Lifetime of Mohammed in Sahih al-Bukhari 3810
*Then the Quran was collected during the time of Abubakr
*Then the Quran was collected collected again during the time of Uthman

Except the Quran was not collected during thr time of Mohammed.
Dont forget that mohammed re-arranged or ordered the sequence of the Surah of the Quran.
Recall that the Qur'an was not arranged in chapters and verses based on revelation and this arrangement was done by Mohammed himself.

This can only be done when the Quran was written! Do you disagree with this?

My Question 4:
4. Is it true that even after the final collection of the Quran by Uthman,
a. Umar said: "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book" ? Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
b. Where then is the verse on Rajam?
Your Response:

Explore2xmore:
4. The verse on stoning to death is said to have been abrogated from the Quran due to specific circumstances or divine wisdom. The view maintained is that its practice is based on authentic Hadiths and established legal principles within Islamic jurisprudence.

However some scholars question the authenticity of the Hadiths supporting stoning to death and argue that without a clear Quranic mandate, such punishments should not be implemented. They advocate for a more lenient interpretation of Islamic law that prioritizes mercy and justice over harsh penalties.

Mention 3 persons and on which this was pronounced by Prophet Muhammad.

1. The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of adult males were eaten by a goat/sheep as reported by Aisha.
2. The verse on Breastfeeding was not abrogated. It was reduced from ten times breastfeeding to five
Neither the 10 or 5 exist in the Quran of today.
3. Mohammed actually gave judgement of stoning in the hadiths followed by the Sahabas
*Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1435 (A woman from Juhainah)
*Bulugh al-Maram 553 (the Ghamidi woman)
*Sahih al-Bukhari 2314, 2315
*Sunan Ibn Majah 2555
*Musnad Ahmad 978 Sharahah (Ali)
*Sahih Muslim 1672c
*Musnad Ahmad 1317

Do you need more evidence of stoning by Mohammed and the Sahabas?

LordReed:
Look at the 1st post you responded to, I clearly wrote effect there. If you don't know what it means look it up.

The dummies are like you who can't read and understand simple things.

Tell me, was I referring to you or even responding to you.?

When you are ready, answer my questions otherwise, you remain the empty barrel that can only make noise

triplechoice:
Hehehe

You just said you are yet to claim a software is spirit. Now, if I don't understand the workings of a software how can I understand spiritual things. Talk of wasting another person's time with some dishonest. 😂

Please go back to my previous response .I modified it to answer your question on measurement of dimensions, mass ,time etc

Have a nice day!

triplechoice:
You're already assuming.

The topic has to do with spirit which you're yet to describe what actually it is, and the next thing you brought in a software into the discussion.

To what end I ask?

Please do not waste my time?
If you don't understand the workings of simple softwares , how can you comprehend spiritual things.

Again :
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?


Otherwise, let's call it a day!

LordReed:
LoLz. Google the meaning of effect then come and ask me this question again.

I don't know where you find me use the word EFFECT except you are dazed.

My question was:
Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software IN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

If you don't have an answer, please don't chat me.
Only Cowards or intentional Dummies flee direct Questions which will test their level of competency!

triplechoice:
This thread is fun to read.

@ TenQ
The definition for non physical that we have says it has to do with the mind ,spirit or non tangible
So, my question for you is this,
is a computer software a mental phenomenon or spirit ?

1. Wrong Question: No one ever has claimed that a software is a Spirit!
2. Non tangible (your words not mine) imply out of the league of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time.

If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?


Firstly,
I am discussing what is known (Software) and not yet spirits or soul.

I think you should answer my question since I was the one to bring it out.
1. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
2. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
3. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?

LordReed:
And the wisdom of dunderheads like you is claiming that because physical interactions cause non physical effects there must exist a realm of purely non physical that has no reliance on the physical.

Some of you dumdum have tried to prove this non existent non physical realm to no avail.

Since you are among the smart ones!

Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software IN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

Call me only when you have an answer!

Expanse2020:
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂 You Sabi d mumu boy bajẹ

When a man fools himself, it is at best pitiable!
Have a nice day

All these hadith were manufactured by Christians and Jews trying hard to pervert Islam but Allah will not allow them.




LOL!




It will be a miracle if a single Muslim shows up to explain or defend any of these hadiths

gaskiyamagana:
It is a pity if not foolery that your Christianized editions of KORAN, are AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE in the library of CHRISTIAN SCHOOL OF ISLAMISGUIDANCE founded by TenQ on Nairaland, as against tens of Versions of bible that are available in the public and on net.

You are seriously wishing and hoping that Islam is the Truth, unfortunately, Islam was built on the foundation of cascades of lies upon lies!

This is the reasons you cannot seem to be able to answer any direct Questions.

Expanse2020:
We have explained this to you several times but keep nagging.. so we gat to be looking you like Jesus call you 🐑👌

Your explanations doesn't answer the questions posed to you!
This is the issue!

We know your history, but it doesn't add up. This is the reason for the questions.

Your answer will clarify the history!

Explore2xmore:
Ubai bin Ka`b was one of the companions who excelled in memorization of the Quran and recitation. He was among the select few who had the honor of being chosen by the Prophet to recite the Quran in his presence.
Ubai was known for his expertise in the recitation of the Quran and his commitment to preserving the revelations.


Mu`adh bin Jabal was another companion who had a deep understanding of the Quran and was entrusted by the Prophet with important tasks. He was known for his wisdom and knowledge, and his dedication to learning and
teaching the Quran.

Abu Zaid was a scribe who was skilled in writing down the revelations of the Quran. He played a crucial role in compiling and preserving the Quran during the time of the Prophet.

Abu Zaid worked closely with Zaid bin Thabit, another scribe who was known for his proficiency in writing Arabic script.

Explore2xmore:
During the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad, companions such as Ubai, Mu`adh bin Jabal, Abu Zaid, and Zaid bin Thabit played a crucial role in preserving and collating different parts of the Quran. These companions were known for their dedication, knowledge, and expertise in memorizing and writing down the revelations received by the Prophet.

These were parts of the Quran as revealed and not the entire Quran in one book.

My Friend:
You are still repeating the story they told you in the mosque.
My point is that your stories does not answer any of my questions especially when we look at your religious books. Here are my questions again.

Just answer them without boring me with history

1. Is it TRUE that the Quran was compiled/collected during the Lifetime of Mohammed? Sahih al-Bukhari 3810
2. If it was true that the Quran was completely collected during the lifetime of your Prophet,
a. What happened to the Quran of Muhammad that necessitated Abubakr to issue another instruction for collection of the Quran to Zaid? Sahih al-Bukhari 4679
b. Why did Zaid not just copy the Quran of Mohammed but rather choose to start his collection from the scratch?
3. According to Zaid when he was compiling the Quran of Abubakar, he found the last verse Quran 9:128-129 with an Ansar.
a. If we assume that the Quran of Abubakar was complete, how come that Quran 33:23 was NOT found in the Quran of Abubakar but with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari? Sahih al-Bukhari 4530
4. Is it true that even after the final collection of the Quran by Uthman,
a. Umar said: "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book" ? Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
b. Where then is the verse on Rajam?

gaskiyamagana:
The Truth as CONFIRMED or NEGATED by JEREMIAH 8:8?

1. If your thinking is true, it is a confirmation that Allah is false and he adopted falsehood (with us) as truth!

2. If your thinking is true, it is a confirmation that Allah is powerless to protect his books.


You better look at yourself and treat your spiritual Blindness. Of a certain, you are of the inmate of hell as decreed by Allah.

Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord



Better Face your Cascades of Falsehood
1. Enter the first edition of the Qur'an: The Quran was collected completely during the life time of Mohammed, then a goat/sheep eat verses of stoning and breastfeeding of adult men.
2. Enter the second edition of the Qur'an:
Qur'an of Abubakar has Quran 9:128-129 but missing Qur'an 33:23 and the verses of stoning and breastfeeding adults.
3. Enter the third edition of the Qur'an:
Qur'an of Uthman corrected Abubakar's Qur'an by adding Quran 33:23 and the verses of stoning and breastfeeding adults was not yet found.


Where is the Quran of Mohammed?





I drop my pen here for you have no answer

Cc: Expanse2020

StillDtruth:
Atheists are very stupid people. Their only mission is to abuse and insalt Christians.

They dont even stand on their beliefs in atheism. See how they dodged.and dodged and ran away.from answering the simple question on proof of spirit.

Re: What Is Spirit? by Veecruz: 6:40pm On Apr 12
KnownUnknown:
Tell me in layman’s language, what is a spirit?

Veecruz
Spirit is the none physical and invisible part of a man and animals in layman's terms.
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And the atheist started being uncomfortable, squirming and turning like a witch seeing an angel, as he ran and ran dodging and dodging in proof that atheists are brainless cowards who are full of noise of insalts but no substance

They cannot even stand or fall by their atheism.

After dodging and dodgng atheist decided to attack from another angle saying

KnownUnknown:
Lol, spirit is non physical and invisible aka nothing

So i.answered
Wireless and bluetooth and sound are none physical and invisible, so they are nothing, abi?

Then see abuse! Then after his off point response o.asked

Do you confess that you see bluetooths and wirelesses and voices with your eyes?

Atheist japa Camry style.take off

One of their senior members on NL just told me that a Software in an AI machine is physical!

What an ignorant and deluded understanding!

budaatum:
You message does not make any sense and is false.

Softwares in an AI machine is physical and it does exist. Spirits, however, don't exist.

Have a nice day. I've stopped giving Atheists my attention on Nairaland

budaatum:
You message does not make any sense and is false.

Softwares in an AI machine is physical and it does exist. Spirits, however, don't exist.

A Software in a machine is physical!?

No wonder!

Have a nice day

budaatum:
You are going to have to try to reason better to get my attention Tenq.

I don't need your attention!

If you can think, figure out my message

TenQ:
The wisdom of Atheists is like that of a breying Donkey arguing that because softwares in an AI machine is not physical it doesn't exist.
Some of these donkeys have attempted to measure the mass and dimension of a computer program to no avail. The result of their experiment is being viewed by senior donkeys as proof that software do not exist

budaatum:
And fairies, and gnomes, and wizards, and Oz, and talking donkeys and flying tortoises too.

Oh look. There's even a flying teapot harassing the spaghetti monster behind the moon where we can't see it with naked eyes.

The wisdom of Atheists is like that of a breying Donkey arguing that because softwares in an AI machine is not physical it doesn't exist.
Some of these donkeys have attempted to measure the mass and dimension of a computer program to no avail. The result of their experiment is being viewed by senior donkeys as proof that software do not exist

All the Cowards scampering under their mother's wrappers because of the barrage of TRUTH TenQ gives them.


Unfortunately as SLAVES of Allah , they will rather die holding falsehood than receive Freedom based on the Truth. Until you enter the fire with Mohammed before your eyes become clear.

Only the Truth sets free!

Wainey:
That is a point but it's not economic sense.
Most people will change the dollars to naira before they use, so they have made some losses and not gains.
They will make more losses if they keep the dollar

What of those of us who store our monies in USD?


We don't have to spend our savings except we need to import somethings!
The money we make in Naira is used to fund our living in Naira. I hope you get the point

Wainey:
You could say she spoke some sense but that is not economic sense.

How can u convert N1.8m to 1k dollars and now that dollar is N1m and if u hoard the dollar, it will be less than 1m in the coming weeks, this is not economic sense

We are a net importing nation, thus you lose nothing by keeping your money in dollars.

Even if $1 become N200 today, it changes nothing for the value of the stable dollar. Our traders will still buy goods in dollars and not Naira.

This is the point!

The only losers are those who change their dollars to Naira.

Wainey:
Seriously this woman does not have brain.
2months ago, if u have a $1000k, u can buy N1.8m worth of goods.
Now that ur 1k dollar can only buy N1m.
If u decide to take this advice, ur 1k dollar may only buy N700k worth of things in the near future.
No wonder Obi decided to take advice from a mad man instead of his supporters

She spoke economic sense o!

Nigeria is an import dependent country.

Your $1000 dollars will still buy you your $1000 worth goods.

You will only lose when you attempt to convert your $1000 to Naira.

ahmedio2017:
I love what you are smoking,
You are comparing Joshua and Russia wait is everything ok ?

Khai!

No wonder!
All you could see was me comparing Joshua with Russia?

Have a nice day!

Your Sahih Hadith said:
Sahih al-Bukhari 3810
Narrated Qatada:
Anas said, "The Qur'an was collected in the lifetime of the Prophet (ﷺ) by four (men), all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubai, Mu`adh bin Jabal, Abu Zaid and Zaid bin Thabit." I asked Anas, "Who is Abu Zaid?" He said, "One of my uncles."

Meaning that the Quran was compiled during the Lifetime of your Prophet Mohammed

1. Where then is this Collected Qur'an of Mohammed and What happened to it?
Sahih al-Bukhari 3810
2. Is it true that After the death of Mohammed, the Quran was collected again during the time of Abubakr and kept with Hafsa?
Sahih al-Bukhari 4679
3. Is it true or false that AFTER the death of Abubakr, the third Caliph Uthman collected the Quran again (mainly from the Quran of Uthman and men who have memorised parts of the Quran)?
Sahih al-Bukhari 4530
4. Is Rajam in your Quran?
Sahih al-Bukhari 6829

Note:
One of the Differences between the Quran of Abubakr and the Quran of Uthman
Is it untrue that according to Zaid
a. Qur'an of Abubakar has Quran 9:128-129 but missing Qur'an 33:23
b. Qur'an of Uthman corrected Abubakar's Qur'an by adding Quran 33:23



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Again:
Dishonest honesttalk21
and Ohyoudidnt

Lies usually need other Lies to sustain itself. Do you know how you shot yourself in the foot.

Let's say this hadith is TRUE,
1. Where then is this Collected Qur'an of Mohammed and What happened to it?
Recall that Abubakr commissioned Zaid to collect the Qur'an from ALL-Over and he even had to look everywhere for Quran 9:128-129





1. Can you please show me Any where insinuated that Uthman wrote the Qur'an?
2. Is it untrue that in ALL my posts, I have mentioned the fact that Zaid was commissioned to rewrite the Qur'an with his committee devoid of the four reciters nominated by Mohammed himself?

What can Muslims do without false accusations and fabrications?


Repeating your preferred Narrative does not change the TRUTH as presented by me.

Will you kindly answer my questions if you truly think that your position is correct.


This saying is perfectly true:
A Muslim is one who believes and acts on the mantra of:
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind


AGAIN:
1. Each of the 7 Qirats may be valid, however 6 of them were erased and only one was left. Is this not editing?
2. Did Jibril not reveal 7 Qirats? Did he make a mistake?
3. What does this phrase mean:
Sahih al-Bukhari 4984
..."In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit (Al-Ansari) regarding any dialectic Arabic utterance of the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, for the Qur'an was revealed in this dialect." So they did it.
4. Did Allah not command that the Quran be recited in 7 dialects, who instructed that one is okay?
Sahih Muslim 821a
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:
Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.



Let me ask you four clear simple questions:
1. Let us assume that Uthman wrote just one Qirat of the Quran, is this Qirat the Hafs Quran or the Warsh Quran or the Qalun Quran or the A-Duri Quran or the Khalaf Quran or the several other Qurans?

2. Is this statement untrue by Al-Suyuti
Al-Suyuti, Itqan, part 3, page 72
Said Abu ‘Ubaid:
Ismail b. Ibrahim related to us from Ayyub from Nafi ‘from Ibn ‘Umar (son of Umar) who said—Let none of you say, “I have learned the whole of the Koran,” for how does he know what the whole of it is, when much of it has disappeared? Let him rather say, “I have learned what is extant thereof.”


3. Is this statement untrue by Abu Harb
Sahih Muslim 1050
Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said:
You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).

4. Is it untrue that Ibn Abbas the Cousin of your prophet said:
Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." `Umar added, "Surely Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Is Rajam in your Quran?

honesttalk21:
Ohyoudidnt Salam brother. Pardon me refusing your request just once. You now see why I refused you during Ramadan.

TenQ doesn't understand that



He infers Uthman actually wrote his Quran manuscript.

He is sadly ignorant that the acceptance of Ahruf/Qiraat (different modes of recitation) is based on three main conditions:
Arabic grammar,
mass transmission,
and conformity with one of the Uthmanic mushafs (codices). These conditions ensure the authenticity and validity of the recitations in preserving the Qur’an’s original form and meaning.

He thinks the Uthmani codex is just one for one shrug.

An understatement is the notion that you are the MOST DISHONEST Muslim on Nairaland. All because you have no answers to my Questions you think by scattering the table and RUNNING AWAY from the issue it helps your case.

1. On Semantics of my statement of a question
https://www.nairaland.com/8058950/what-wrong-abubakars-quran-perfect/5#129461525

Let me ask you four clear simple questions:
1. Let us assume that Uthman wrote just one Qirat of the Quran, is this Qirat the Hafs Quran or the Warsh Quran or the Qalun Quran or the A-Duri Quran or the Khalaf Quran or the several other Qurans?

LET US ASSUME: has now become my INFERENCE!?
There is no one iota of honesty in you!
2. Please respond and I CHALLENGE you to Answer this Question except you are not a Muslim
Who wrote the Quran?
3. The despicable you refused to check ALL I have written from page 1 to 6 about uthman commissioning Zaid to rewrite the Quran.

Escapist technique:
You better examine what you have believed and not deceive yourself to Hell Fire Mr Liar!
Is it true or untrue that my writeup assumes that Uthman directly wrote the Quran?
Can Muslims do without LIES!?
Its the same spirit


cc: Ohyoudidnt

Again: I challenge you Slimy Coward: Who wrote the Quran?


Shame on you!

ahmedio2017:
Russia is sha winning and giving them back to back.

What makes you joyful that Russia is winning in a war between
1. A Giant and a Boy
2. A Bully and a Victim

Anthony Joshua is beating his girlfriend and you are cheering for him: does it make sense?

Russia is 10 times bigger than Ukraine in EVERYTHING: they actually thought that Ukraine would be a walkover and Zelensky will escape to Poland on the first day of the War. Russia thought that the war would not last more than One Week!

It is true that Russia is winning, however Ukraine has killed and wounded More Russians than the killed and wounded in Ukraine.
The Ratio is like 1 Ukrainian to 4 Russians ( But of course Russia has more soldiers to waste than Ukraine)

ahmedio2017:
What is your source of your claim? And I told you that is a propaganda, the figure isn't close to that at all

I watch battle reports from different sources in Telegram!
Videos of battlefield carnages don't lie?

The casualties on both sides is very high BUT particularly on the Russian side because they are mostly on the offensive offensive.
Even pro Russian telegram sites are complaining about the recklessness of the Russian Generals!

You did NOT answer any of my two questions
1. What do you think is the ultimate goal of Putin (with Ukraine) if he wins the war over Ukraine?
2. If Ukraine surrenders to Putin, what would be their long-term gain?

Homiesjinxbank:
Let me ask you, what was the gentleman agreement Putin was talking about?
You need to understand that Ukraine is the buffer zone, if Ukraine Joins NATO, then The West are capable of hurting Russia!

Do you agree that
1. If Russia captures and retains all the presently occupied Land and Ukraine surrenders, there is still no buffer zone because technically, Donbas up to Crimea is Russia!
2. If Russia captures the whole of Ukraine, then there is Zero Buffer zone between NATO countries!

The only way their can be a buffer zone is if
1. Ukraine is reduced to a puppet state of Russia
2. Ukraine is stripped of her independence and sovereignty
3. Ukraine is crippled permanently militarily
4. Ukraine is ruled from Russia

This was why I asked my two questions
1. What do you think is the ultimate goal of Putin (with Ukraine) if he wins the war over Ukraine?
2. If Ukraine surrenders to Putin, what would be their long-term gain?

Homiesjinxbank:
Finland government is stupid enough to join NATO without referendum.. and now that they have joined NATO, they're spending more and donating More to one clown who feels entitled to receive free air defense system from the whole world..

Finland are still going to shout fouls when Russia position defense system next to their borders.

Let's me ask this, is the Kremlin at fault if it place more Air more S300 and alot of S400 next to Finland??

Finland and Sweden had never felt SAFE with Russia!
1. It was the Soviet Union that invaded of Finland on 30 November 1939 and not the other way round and the annexed land is permanently Russia today.
2. In 1909, when the Treaty of Hamina was signed, ending the Finnish War. As a result, the eastern third of Sweden was ceded to the Russian Empire till today.

Russia had never made friends and Allies with her neighbours except they are ready to SUBMIT to the indirect rule of Russia (like Belarus).

Here are the neighbours of Russia, apart from Belarus, Azerbaijan, which of the countries see themselves as safe with Russia:
Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, China, Mongolia and North Korea.

Only China is safe because of their military might and North korea us under the protection of China. Otherwise, tell me, which of Russia's neighbours "feel safe with" Russia?

The problem is not Russia per say but their weak foreign policy: otherwise, with the historical ties between Russia and Ukraine, these should be the best allies!

ahmedio2017:
Oga keep your mouth shot jawe stop all this useles.s propaganda.... See how Ukraine president begging the west everywhere and there. That guy is a full wasting away his people life....... Russia has already got what she wanted earlier....

You said with your own mouth that Russia was still playing with Ukraine and i said: Does it make sense to play with the lives of over 450,000 Russian Casualties and still call it "a play"?

Is life this cheap in Russia?