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LegalWolf:
Hahahaha potential thief oo 😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝

...see his response like a person gone berserk!
It is of no wonder that you cannot explain how your translators of the Qur'an mistranslated Quran 9:31


Maybe next year we'll get your final answer and response!

LegalWolf:
LOL! Look at the stray advocatejare ooooo. So 'you' here is talking to Muslims huh? You can't be straying all your life now. Do you want me to be a stray advocate too?
cc: Potential thief TenQ

Modified: I understand that TenQ, as a potential thief, may lack the ability to assemble his thoughts and make credible arguments. It is even more annoying that you that claim to be advocate is both stray and un-credentialled. I’ll lose brain cells going to your level.

Respond to my questions, then call your principal partner or the person who you report to. Then, I’ll tell Dami (ex litigation officer in Naija) to debate him. Ka gane?

It is of no wonder that you cannot explain how your translators of the Qur'an mistranslated Quran 9:31


Maybe next year we'll get your final answer and response!

AntiChristian:
1 of 3

What is an interlinear translation of the Qu'ran?

Are your Normal Bible translations ever in such (interlinear)?

Interlinear translations seek to do a word for word or phrase for phrase direct translation of one language to another

This one attached is from
www.qur'an.com

Yes the bible is also translated Interlinearly.
You can find it on the internet

advocatejare:
But the same god told them to ask for direction from us and yet they are refusing


Quran 16:43
And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message [i.e., former scriptures] if you do not know.

LegalWolf at least obey the command from your Quran

Does it make sense to them!?

We have at least up to this point established that
1. Either Allah made a mistake in the Qur'an OR Allah expect people to associate the Messiah with him as partner
2. Muslims translation of the Quran CANNOT be trusted one bit.
3.:The average Muslim crowd/drown out these disturbing negative facts about Islam with more religious activities.


I've always said:
Muslims are those who say to themselves:
"Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have made up my Mind "


Cc:
LegalWolf, Lukuluku69, AntiChristian

advocatejare:
If only they will read to know the truth!

But the god of this age has caused their blindness and deafness so that
Seeing, they don't see!
Hearing, they don't hear!

They have REJECTED all the scriptures before Islam hence they don't know how God speaks to his prophets

advocatejare:
On Muhammad’s so called divine inspiration, he himself said that the bell is the instrument of Satan and the same Muhammad said that he received his inspiration like the ringing of a bell




How come Muhammad’s inspiration came like ringing of the musical instrument of Satan?



LegalWolf come and learn about your prophet here

And Mohammed will start hearing/snorting the braying of a Carmel/Donkey!

Ask how other prophets hear God!?

Cc: LegalWolf

Even BUDAATUM now know that it is difficult being the Devil's Advocate!

LegalWolf, Lukuluku69 and AntiChristian,


An Interlinear translation of the Qur'an is attached for Muslims who intend to use a mistranslated version of the Qur'an.


Who are those mistranslating the Qur'an?
Christians or Muslim Scholars?

LegalWolf:
Potential thief ooooo 🤣🤣🤣😝😝🤣🤣🤣

Why do you Muslims LIE so much?
It's like LIEs is in your DNA!

You will even tell lies in translating your Qur'an. Who are you deceiving!

You DECEIVE YOURSELVES just as you DECEIVE OTHERS! Allah is indeed the best Deceiver!



Simple Question

Do these two translations of the Qur'an mean the same thing?

1. LegalWolf , do you think these two translations mean exactly the same thing?

FROM TENQ
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


FROM BUDAATUM
Qur'an 9:32
"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", .....


2. Which of the two translations is closer to the Interlinear Qur'an translation?

LegalWolf, Can you see Islamic Taqqiya even in Qur'an translations!?

Let's have a Quiz for Muslims in this special time of Ramadan!
All the questions are about personalities written in the Qur'an.
Six Questions in all and a prize of N100,000 will be given to any one who correctly answered CORRECTLY according to rule at least 3 Questions out of 6

AIM:
To test if the Qur'an alone (the perfect words of Allah) is sufficient as a guide to understanding the book.

RULE:
The only rule is that Questions must be answered strictly from what Allah has said in the Qur'an.
Why?
a. The Qur'an is the perfect words of Allah sent to Arabs first and then to the whole world
b. The Qur'an has replaced the earlier revealed scriptures such as the Taurat, the Injeel, the Zabura which have ALL been corrupted and thus unreliable (this is as far as Muslims are concerned).


Let the Quiz Begin
1. Jesus is said to be the Messiah in the Qur'an. What does the term Messiah mean?

2. Since the Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah, HOW from the Qur'an do Muslims know that Jesus is the Messiah?

3. What is The Name of the Wife of Adam in the Qur'an?

4. From the Qur'an, What is the name of the Mother of Ismael?

5. How do Muslims know that the mother of Ismael was a concubine of Ibrahim?

6. What is this narration in Qur'an 5:27-33 referring to ? Who were the two sons of Adam and why was the sacrifice of only one accepted?
Qur'an 5:27-33
But recite unto them with truth the tale of the two sons of Adam, how they offered each a sacrifice, and it was accepted from the one of them and it was not accepted from the other. (The one) said: I will surely kill thee. (The other) answered: Allah accepteth only from those who ward off (evil).


Note:
For each question, state the supporting verse of the Qur'an.

Thanks you

Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

Islam had been vocal people worshipping one God and I fact, the greatest sin in Islam Shirk is associating partners with God.

However,
In Qur'an 9:37, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


An Interlinear translation of the Qur'an is attached for Muslims who intend to use a mistranslated version of the Qur'an.
Paraphrased, Allah is reporting that the Jews and Christians have taken their Rabbis and Monks as Lord INSTEAD of Allah AND the Messiah


Note:
Let's discuss what the Qur'an truly says rather than what we feel the Qur'an is saying.

Questions:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?
2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?

LegalWolf:
Hey future thief TenQ

I have a question for you about Jesus (pbuh) and yhwh. I understand yhwh is in the process of being misgendered by the Diocese at Canterbury to It/They. So hope you don’t mind if I refer IT as IT/They (I’m only following your Christian brothers, so don’t take it out on me 😝)?

Should I go ahead with my questions ?

Cc: future thief TenQ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Such a Donkey!

LegalWolf:
Hahahaha LegalWolf oo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

LegalWolf:
Hahahaha future thief oo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dear Mr LegalWolf,
You should be ashamed that Buda a non-Muslim is fearlessly defending your religion but all you can do is to Brey like a donkey!

SMH!!

LegalWolf:
Potential thief ooooo 🤣🤣🤣😝😝🤣🤣🤣

Simple Question

Do these two translations of the Qur'an mean the same thing?

1. Budaatum , do you think these two translations mean exactly the same thing?

FROM TENQ
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


FROM BUDAATUM
Qur'an 9:32
"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", .....


2. Which of the two translations is closer to the Interlinear Qur'an translation?

Cc: LegalWolf
Can you see Islamic Taqqiya even in Qur'an translations!?

Do these two translations of the Qur'an mean the same thing?

1. Budaatum , do you think these two translations mean exactly the same thing?

FROM TENQ
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


FROM BUDAATUM
Qur'an 9:32
"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", .....


2. Which of the two translations is closer to the Interlinear Qur'an translation?

Cc: LegalWolf
Can you see Islamic Taqqiya even in Qur'an translations!?

budaatum:
TenQ, are you a Muslim? Is this the Nairaland Islamic section?

Please know that anyone can read a book of a religion and understand it by themselves instead of allowing the religion to be defined to them by those who might not have read the book or just don't understand the book they read.

I am think you get me wrong;

What I am saying is that :
Muslims through their literatures, beliefs and traditions set their religion.

The rest of us can only pick holes /inconsistencies in their literatures, beliefs and traditions

I cannot set any standard of beliefs for Muslims as I am not one. The best I can do is to critique their presentations and religious claims

LegalWolf,
You should be ashamed that Buda a non-Muslim is fearlessly defending your religion but all you can do is to Brey like a donkey!

SMH!!

budaatum:
No. Allah is not associating partners with him, and nor is it an error. You after all do not claim Allah is associating partnership with any other person written about in the Qur'an, nor would most even claim that "lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, muhammadun rasūlu-llāh" is associating muhammadun with Allah, so why make up an "associating" with the Messiah?

"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", is it written in 31, which some would go as far as a warning not to place other teachings above Allah's as written by Muhammad.

"Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers", it is written in 30, so especially not even "volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions", though they must be read to broaden the mind and thinking.

Buda,
I truly laugh at you!
Why?
You don't know anything about Islamic Taqqiya. It is righteousness for a Muslim to use every form of deception as long as Islam is promoted.

The scripture I've highlighted for you is a deception sir. A play of words because you are not familiar with Arabic therefore you TRUST their translation. LOL!

Check out the INTERLINEAR translation and it says quite the opposite. I've attached it to this post: Tell me the difference!

budaatum:
I doubt it. Not even the Christian God "truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him", and Islam does not even want to make Muhammad Lord with Lord Allah. But if you understand different, that Lord Allah wants to elevate the Messiah above Muhammed, I'm interested. Though bear in mind an outsider to be claiming higher hierarchy than a Son might be odd.

Like I said, Check the INTERLINEAR translation and tell me that YOUR adopted translation mean exactly the same thing.

The INTERLINEAR says

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

Please check

This is different from the verse you quoted.


Thus, my Question:
Is this verse a MISTAKE from Allah?

budaatum:
I'd say that Islam depends on one using one's own brain and mind as opposed to relying on "volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions" that might suggest some Allah sat down with a pen and wrote the Qur'an. But then, we might be considering Muslims at different levels of Islam because the Muslims I know would tell you the Quran was, at best, verbally revealed from God through the angel Gabriel to Muhammad who [got people to] wrote it down, while many are studying the ingenuity involved if Muhammad wrote it himself and unaided, with his own mind and with his own brain.

They might be the evolved Muslims I guess, and not that stuck in "volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions" of Islam.

Islam can only be defined and determined by Muslims for Muslims. We can only scrutinize their rules, beliefs, traditions and customs.

The Muslims understand my question very well. Most won't talk because it is embarrassing that Allah could make mistakes or be imprecise with words.

The scripture I've used contradicts the basic tenets of Islam and Muslims struggle to normalize the meaning

LegalWolf:
Hahahaha potential thief ooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

Islam had been vocal about people worshipping one God and I fact, the greatest sin in Islam Shirk is associating partners with God.

However,
In Qur'an 9:37, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


An Interlinear translation of the Qur'an is attached for Muslims who intend to use a mistranslated version of the Qur'an.
Paraphrased, Allah is reporting that the Jews and Christians have taken their Rabbis and Monks as Lord INSTEAD of Allah AND the Messiah


Note:
Let's discuss what the Qur'an truly says rather than what we feel the Qur'an is saying.

Questions:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?
2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?



Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , Raheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood

LegalWolf:
Hahahaha potential thief ooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😝😝😝😝😝😝

But he wouldn't keep his mouth shut like a donkey to the slaughter!

SMH!

jaephoenix:
His deposition has shown to be a fake. I have said it in different threads

Then, there is nothing more to say !

Christian books are unreliable!
Non-christian books are fake!

But Socrates isn't, right!?


Have a good night rest

You probably don't know that Islam depend not only on the Qur'an but volumes of Hadiths , the Tafsirs and Traditions.

budaatum:
So, not by what you yourself read in the book?

Then I suggest you read this to understand the folly of going by the claims of others instead of what you discern from reading the book for yourself.

You might find yourself needing to blame those who can't read what their gods supposedly wrote.

Your knowledge of Islam seem so shallow. Perhaps you need to read their CLAIMS from some of their sources.

https://www.arabnews.com/news/484631

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/10012

https://www.arabnews.com/news/484631


You can't defend that which you know nothing about

budaatum:
The ignorance in the question asks one to accept the false premise that Allah wrote the Qur'an when nothing of the sort is claimed anywhere in the Qur'an.

Humans write words and books, and by nature, humans do make mistakes and even write outright lies and falsehoods, and oftentimes, ignorantly.

Ask any Muslim if Mohammed wrote is the Author the Qur'an: they will tell you an emphatic NO!

According to Muslims
1. The Qur'an is the verbatim words of Allah dictated through angel Jubril to Mohammed.
2. The Qur'an is eternal and preserved in the mother tablet in paradise
3. The Qur'an does not contain the words of Mohammed

So Buda, I am going only by the claims of Muslims


You may ask any Muslim you know on NL and you'll see that I've only stated their position.


If this is the Muslims position, would my questions be reasonable?

jaephoenix:
There was a note by an Roman governor about some Christians. He didn't go into details

Do you know anything about Josephus?

If LegalWolf does not understand simple English language, shouldn't he keep his mouth shut!?

At least, you have the interlinear translation attached for your guidance!

Thanks

Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

Islam had been vocal people worshipping one God and I fact, the greatest sin in Islam Shirk is associating partners with God.

However,
In Qur'an 9:37, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


An Interlinear translation of the Qur'an is attached for Muslims who intend to use a mistranslated version of the Qur'an.
Paraphrased, Allah is reporting that the Jews and Christians have taken their Rabbis and Monks as Lord INSTEAD of Allah AND the Messiah


Note:
Let's discuss what the Qur'an truly says rather than what we feel the Qur'an is saying.

Questions:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?
2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?



Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , Raheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood

LegalWolf:
Hahahaha potential thief ooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Stupidity is opening your mouth when you've got nothing to really say.


Simple Questions that shouldn't take a minute to answer see how you all are?

It is proved that you are a certified donkey who instead of learning the truth which would set him free , he is opening his mouth to talk with an empty brain.


All these is for your own good.

I FORCE you to THINK about the Taqqiya you've been fed with over the years

sonmvayina:
You heard about this persecution from Christus sources..

Tell me what non Christian or the people who did the persecution said about it....

Then you still have a lot to learn!
Cheers!!

Magnoliaa:
Your questions are interesting, OP.

I would have preferred it without the condescension streak, rather so it'd have been an interactive, engaging discussion.

I wouldn't mind if you represent the questions for them in any suitable manner. Holla me and I will join in the conversation.

The Qur'an is so incomplete that one needs several Tafsirs and Hadiths to make any sense of the verses.

The whole Quran is a collection of RANDOM disconnected verses made worse by Islamic Editors who rearranged the chapters in random orders.

Magnoliaa:
Your questions are interesting, OP.

I would have preferred it without the condescension streak, rather so it'd have been an interactive, engaging discussion.

That wouldn't have changed anything with them. They would NEVER discuss this topics because they've fed themselves with unsubstantiated ANSWERS for too long and the shame of admitting that even their answers were from the Scriptures they termed CORRUPTED!