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Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 11:05am On Feb 14, 2023

satmaniac:
Thank you for your kind words.
What I deduced from your post from the presentation and your reasoning is you are intelligent as well as sensible. However, I am beginning to sense something from your reply to my comment. There is this vibe you are giving out now. Something like, you are here to argue and not have a discussion. Let me make myself categorically clear by saying I am not here to argue with you. I am here to have a civil discussion.

Why I am feeling this way is that, I pointed out in my earlier comment that, the verse you quoted was a response to one of the statement of the disbelievers - that the angels have to had accompanied Muhammad, physically appearing before they believe. Now what is so irreconcilable here? Please state clearly what need to be reconciled as regards to 6:7-10 and 2:97.

You will notice in my reply to your post, I did not bother talking about the incident at the cave of HIRA. I have a strong reason for doing that. So, as someone who hold on to what Muhammad came with only(Quran), I will leave them to come and answer the question.

I hope you are not getting me wrong?
I actually agreed with your first post. I said:

"I will agree with you on this:
Qur'an 2:97 seem to say that Jubril was sent to convey the Qur'an into the heart of Mohammed. This is in line with the Tafsirs on Qur'an 2:97 by Al-Abbas, Al-Jalalayn and Ibn Kathir (with a detailed background)."

This alone settles the first question as you have posted one other verse that says that Jubril was sent to Mohammed. There is no problems at all with this

I didn't know that you are "Qur'an only" Muslim, that was why I posted the follow-up questions of

1. How do we reconcile the apparent difference in the statement of Allah in Qur'an 6:7-10 AND Qur'an 2:97.
AND
[s]2. If Jubril was not sent physically to Mohammed, where did we get the story of Mohammed's first encounter with Jubril in the cave and the encounter of IQRA and the account that Jubril resemble Dihya bin Kalbi , visitations of Jubril to the house of Mohammed, Umar even testified of Jubril came before them as a man with extremely white clothing and extremely black hair.
Are all these stories manufactured by enemies of Islam?
[/s]

Obviously, the second question is not binding on you except the first. My apologies!
It is not about arguments but reasonable answers to questions of the faith

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 9:52am On Feb 14, 2023

LegalWolf:
Lol by a potential thief?? .:.. Hehehe 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Your apparent lack of knowledge of Islam has been betrayed by satmaniac. Please learn from him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 9:48am On Feb 14, 2023

satmaniac:
Nice question!!! Your intelligence shone through this post and I am not saying this to flatter you. Let me start answering this question by putting everything in its proper context. I will assume you have no ulterior motive behind the post but an honest question that needs clarification.

So on this, Quran 6:8
وَقَالُوا۟ لَوْلَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ مَلَكٌۭ ۖ وَلَوْ أَنزَلْنَا مَلَكًۭا لَّقُضِىَ ٱلْأَمْرُ ثُمَّ لَا يُنظَرُونَ
They say, “Why has no angel come with him?” Had We sent down an angel, the matter would have certainly been settled , and they would have never been given more time ˹to repent˺.

The first things we need to know is that the polytheists and the disbelievers of Makkah made so many statement, as their rejected the idea of Muhammad messengerhood, one of which the above verses responds to. In Quran 25:7 this statement is attributed to the disbelievers And they said, "How come this messenger eats the food and walks in the markets? If only an angel could come down with him, to serve with him as a preacher!"

The disbeliever wanted to see the angel physically assisting Muhammad in delivering the message to them, before they believed him. So, it is a mistake for you to think that Allah claims not to send an angel with the revelation to Muhammad.

1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent to Mohammed?

Yes there is. Your answer is in Quran 2:97 and other places in the Quran Say, "anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought down this(Quran) into your heart(not a physical book), in accordance with God's will, confirming previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers."

I hope I have answered your question?

I must render my heart of appreciation to you for your knowledge and insight into one of the two questions posed. You have done extremely well in answering the question of if there is another verse in the Qur'an that says Jubril was sent to Mohammed. I wish other Muslims do well enough to take such questions seriously and study rather than play gymnastics.

I will agree with you on this:
Qur'an 2:97 seem to say that Jubril was sent to convey the Qur'an into the heart of Mohammed. This is in line with the Tafsirs on Qur'an 2:97 by Al-Abbas, Al-Jalalayn and Ibn Kathir (with a detailed background).

Thank you once again on this.

So, my dear friend,
1. How do we reconcile the apparent difference in the statement of Allah in Qur'an 6:7-10 AND Qur'an 2:97.

Because,Qur'an 6:7-10 emphatically says no Angel was sent either in human for nor angel form to Mohammed while Qur'an 2:97 seem to say that Jubril was sent to convey the Qur'an into the heart of Mohammed.

2. If Jubril was not sent physically to Mohammed, where did we get the story of Mohammed's first encounter with Jubril in the cave and the encounter of IQRA and the account that Jubril resemble Dihya bin Kalbi , visitations of Jubril to the house of Mohammed, Umar even testified of Jubril came before them as a man with extremely white clothing and extremely black hair.

Are all these stories manufactured by enemies of Islam?

Let me stop here as I await your response.
Thank you!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 2:26am On Feb 14, 2023*

LegalWolf:
Hehehehe potential thief with thieving logic 😂😂😂😂😜😜

I guess you NOW understand HOW and WHY Islam is called the religion of lies

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 12:55am On Feb 14, 2023

LegalWolf:
Hehehehe potential thief 😂😂😂😂😜😜

So, how is it that the followers of the Religion of the almighty Allah completely disregard him to peddle their own fabrications?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 9:25pm On Feb 13, 2023

The Question in summary:

There are just two questions.
1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent to Mohammed?
2. Who do you think we should believe in this case, the almighty Allah OR Islamic Traditions ?

Thank you.

HERE Again

A few days ago , I came across these verses in the Quran and maybe it is my understanding that is incomplete: hence I wish all muslims and the scholars will help me comprehend the CLEAR Words of Allah without Addition or Subtraction.

Quran 6:7
وَلَوْ نَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ كِتَـٰبًۭا فِى قِرْطَاسٍۢ فَلَمَسُوهُ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ لَقَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ إِنْ هَـٰذَآ إِلَّا سِحْرٌۭ مُّبِينٌۭ
Had We sent down to you (O Prophet) a revelation in writing and they were to touch it with their own hands, the disbelievers would still have said, “This is nothing but pure magic!”
Quran 6:8
وَقَالُوا۟ لَوْلَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ مَلَكٌۭ ۖ وَلَوْ أَنزَلْنَا مَلَكًۭا لَّقُضِىَ ٱلْأَمْرُ ثُمَّ لَا يُنظَرُونَ
They say, “Why has no angel come with him?” Had We sent down an angel, the matter would have certainly been settled , and they would have never been given more time ˹to repent˺.
Quran 6:9
وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَـٰهُ مَلَكًۭا لَّجَعَلْنَـٰهُ رَجُلًۭا وَلَلَبَسْنَا عَلَيْهِم مَّا يَلْبِسُونَ
And if We had sent an angel, We would have certainly made it ˹assume the form of˺ a man—leaving them more confused than they already are.
Quran 6:10
وَلَقَدِ ٱسْتُهْزِئَ بِرُسُلٍۢ مِّن قَبْلِكَ فَحَاقَ بِٱلَّذِينَ سَخِرُوا۟ مِنْهُم مَّا كَانُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَسْتَهْزِءُونَ١
Other˺ messengers had already been ridiculed before you ˹O Prophet˺, but those who mocked them were overtaken by what they used to ridicule.

So, Lets begin:
1. In verse 10: Allah seem to accept the fact that Mohammed is ALSO a Messenger (as other messengers have been sent before Mohammed who also have been ridiculed)
2. In verse 7: Allah said that he DID NOT send the revelations to Mohammed as a printed book from heaven, as the disbelievers would regard it as just magic (they wouldn't still believe anyways)
3. In verse 8: Allah says that he DID NOT send an Angel to Mohammed (even though these disbelievers ask why no angel has been sent to him) because IF he did, their judgement would have been concluded and thus cannot repent again
4. In verse 9: Allah says that IF HE DID SEND an Angel, the Angel would have come in the form of an ~~ordinary~~ Man which would even leave the disbelievers more confused. i.e. Allah DID NOT send any Angel even in form of a Man (not to even think as an Angel)

My Questions:
In Quran 6:7-10 it seems Allah is saying in no ambiguous terms that he DID NOT send any Angel to Mohammed either as an Angel (spirit being) or as a Man (physical being).
However, Islamic TRADITIONS say that the Angel Jibril was the one who always brought the Quran to Mohammed. There is even the elaborate story of Jibril's first encounter with Mohammed where he was squeezed and commanded to Recite!

1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent to Mohammed?
2. Who do you think we should believe in this case, the almighty Allah OR Islamic Traditions ?

Thank you.

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LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 9:21pm On Feb 13, 2023

LegalWolf:
Hehehehe future thief 😜😜😜😜

It is obvious that Deep and Heavy Lies have been incorporated into the Islamic Narratives.

What then can we trust if you can go against Allah himself.

The Truth Sets Free bro!

Christianity Etc › Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by TenQ: 9:16pm On Feb 13, 2023

jaephoenix:
And I repeat, I don't know. If you do, let me know

In other words, stop forming knowledge when you don't know. It takes just a little questioning to expose the flaws of naturalism and atheism.

Good night

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 7:56pm On Feb 13, 2023

LegalWolf:
Po po po… potential thief 💃🏽💃🏽

My dear LegalWolf,
If Allah claimed not to have sent an Angel to Mohammed, where did the story of Jubril emanate from?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 7:55pm On Feb 13, 2023

LegalWolf:
Hahahaha potential thief 😝😝😝😝

My Dear LegalWolf,
Are you conceding that the Islamic narratives have holes?

Should Muslims not believe Allah than fabrications of men?

Politics › Re: If This Pastor Were To Be Sheikh Gumi: Photo by TenQ: 6:50pm On Feb 13, 2023

halima83:
Just imagine the reaction in Nigeria will be.

It would have been no surprise, no shock because it is consistent with his religion to fight with the disbelievers

Quran 9:123 –
“O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

Qur'an 9:5
And when the inviolable months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakāh, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful.

That is the reason my dear

Christianity Etc › Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by TenQ: 5:59pm On Feb 13, 2023

jaephoenix:
Which natural law predicts animal intelligence

None!
Physical Laws
Chemical laws
Which one do you know?

How does dumb inanimate collection of ATOMS possess autonomous action and intelligence?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 5:29pm On Feb 13, 2023

LegalWolf:
LOL! Is it salvation through human sacrifice that 'scale through scrutiny'?

The WORD became flesh!

I asked you a question:
When Jubril came to Mary as a perfect man, did he loose his status as an Angel?

Sorry for you
Instead of looking at WHY Islamic Narratives many times go AGAINST Allah himself, you are fighting those who care about you.

Like I said,
I am also frantically looking for verses where Allah says that he sent an angel to Mohammed, I am yet to find one:

Maybe you can help me find at least one verse

WHO MANUFACTURED THIS STORY!?
Was it the Jews?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 5:24pm On Feb 13, 2023

LegalWolf:
LOL! Potential thief

Why are you disturbed with the truth staring down at your neck?

Just check the Qur'an for the answer. If Allah says no Angel was sent to Mohammed and Islamic narratives say otherwise, which of the two positions is TRUE and which is FALSE!

Let me brief you of the implication
1. If Allah did not send an angel to Mohammed, where did he then receive the Qur'an?
2. If Allah sent an Angel to Mohammed, then Allah contradict himself and therefore the whole Qur'an become void!

Are you saying you can't find any such tale in the Qur'an?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 3:32pm On Feb 13, 2023

Hello
I am also frantically looking for verses where Allah says that he sent an angel to Mohammed, I am yet to find one:

Maybe you can help me find at least one verse

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Legal_Wolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore

I'm sure you'll agree with me that some things do not scale through scrutiny.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 3:27pm On Feb 13, 2023

LegalWolf:
LOL, I would not aid your hallucination potential thief. Nahhhhhhhhh, I would not.

Just check the Qur'an for the answer. If Allah says no Angel was sent to Mohammed and Islamic narratives say otherwise, which of the two positions is TRUE and which is FALSE!

Let me brief you of the implication
1. If Allah did not send an angel to Mohammed, where did he then receive the Qur'an?
2. If Allah sent an Angel to Mohammed, then Allah contradict himself and therefore the whole Qur'an become void!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 2:59pm On Feb 13, 2023

LegalWolf:
Hehehehe potential thief 🤣

LegalWolf:
Freedom of speech man…freedom is 🔑

Of course, freedom of speech but beyond the speech is the mind.
What have we fed our mind?

1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent to Mohammed?

2. Who do you think we should believe in this case, the almighty Allah OR Islamic Traditions ?

Any OTHER clear verse(s) that will show me that an angel was sent to Mohammed in the Qur'an will shut my mouth up with regards to this observation of mine.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 7:04am On Feb 13, 2023*

Good morning Dr Lateef,
It seems you didn't read the post and questions.

The Question in summary:

There are just two questions.
1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent to Mohammed?
2. Who do you think we should believe in this case, the almighty Allah OR Islamic Traditions ?

Thank you.

drlateef:
?

HERE Again

A few days ago , I came across these verses in the Quran and maybe it is my understanding that is incomplete: hence I wish all muslims and the scholars will help me comprehend the CLEAR Words of Allah without Addition or Subtraction.

Quran 6:7
وَلَوْ نَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ كِتَـٰبًۭا فِى قِرْطَاسٍۢ فَلَمَسُوهُ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ لَقَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ إِنْ هَـٰذَآ إِلَّا سِحْرٌۭ مُّبِينٌۭ
Had We sent down to you (O Prophet) a revelation in writing and they were to touch it with their own hands, the disbelievers would still have said, “This is nothing but pure magic!”
Quran 6:8
وَقَالُوا۟ لَوْلَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ مَلَكٌۭ ۖ وَلَوْ أَنزَلْنَا مَلَكًۭا لَّقُضِىَ ٱلْأَمْرُ ثُمَّ لَا يُنظَرُونَ
They say, “Why has no angel come with him?” Had We sent down an angel, the matter would have certainly been settled , and they would have never been given more time ˹to repent˺.
Quran 6:9
وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَـٰهُ مَلَكًۭا لَّجَعَلْنَـٰهُ رَجُلًۭا وَلَلَبَسْنَا عَلَيْهِم مَّا يَلْبِسُونَ
And if We had sent an angel, We would have certainly made it ˹assume the form of˺ a man—leaving them more confused than they already are.
Quran 6:10
وَلَقَدِ ٱسْتُهْزِئَ بِرُسُلٍۢ مِّن قَبْلِكَ فَحَاقَ بِٱلَّذِينَ سَخِرُوا۟ مِنْهُم مَّا كَانُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَسْتَهْزِءُونَ١
Other˺ messengers had already been ridiculed before you ˹O Prophet˺, but those who mocked them were overtaken by what they used to ridicule.

So, Lets begin:
1. In verse 10: Allah seem to accept the fact that Mohammed is ALSO a Messenger (as other messengers have been sent before Mohammed who also have been ridiculed)
2. In verse 7: Allah said that he DID NOT send the revelations to Mohammed as a printed book from heaven, as the disbelievers would regard it as just magic (they wouldn't still believe anyways)
3. In verse 8: Allah says that he DID NOT send an Angel to Mohammed (even though these disbelievers ask why no angel has been sent to him) because IF he did, their judgement would have been concluded and thus cannot repent again
4. In verse 9: Allah says that IF HE DID SEND an Angel, the Angel would have come in the form of an ~~ordinary~~ Man which would even leave the disbelievers more confused. i.e. Allah DID NOT send any Angel even in form of a Man (not to even think as an Angel)

My Questions:
In Quran 6:7-10 it seems Allah is saying in no ambiguous terms that he DID NOT send any Angel to Mohammed either as an Angel (spirit being) or as a Man (physical being).
However, Islamic TRADITIONS say that the Angel Jibril was the one who always brought the Quran to Mohammed. There is even the elaborate story of Jibril's first encounter with Mohammed where he was squeezed and commanded to Recite!

1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent to Mohammed?
2. Who do you think we should believe in this case, the almighty Allah OR Islamic Traditions ?

Thank you.

Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 7:02am On Feb 13, 2023

LegalWolf:
…..

LegalWolf:
.

No need to reserve space sir!
Good morning

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 7:00am On Feb 13, 2023

LegalWolf:
I’ll assume that the texts are clear enough for people to understand. And I think your explanation is a little bit stretched than what an objective mind should draw…

I’m tempted to break it down to you. But knowing you and with my strong negative/loathsome
bias towards you, I’ll just let it pass. For those who may not share my negative sentiments, I’ll let them do explanation.

Finally, would have called you a potential thief like I so much love to. Or a armed robber in the making. But you’ve kept your question civil [of course, that in no way detract from the fact that I can revert to status quo]

Cc: TenQ

Okay.

I deliberately included the Arabic script so that no one will say what the plain language did not say so

There are just two questions.

1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent to Mohammed?

2. Who do you think we should believe in this case, the almighty Allah OR Islamic Traditions ?

Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 11:47pm On Feb 12, 2023*

In my last post, I gave you opportunities to ASK me Any Question regarding the Gospel of our Salvation after I had explained it. I will thus like to say a big thank you to those who responded constructively

To my friends and others on NL, Above for your consideration and necessary action. I am basing my thesis and question on
Quran 41:3
A Book whereof the Verses are explained in detail; A Qur'an in Arabic for people who know

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Christianity Etc › Why did Allah says "No Angel was sent to Mohammed" BUT modern Muslims Disagree! by TenQ(op): 11:41pm On Feb 12, 2023*

Who Do We Believe In This Case: The Almighty Allah Or The Islamic Traditions

A few days ago , I came across these verses in the Quran and maybe it is my understanding that is incomplete: hence I wish all muslims and the scholars will help me comprehend the CLEAR Words of Allah without Addition or Subtraction.

Quran 6:7
وَلَوْ نَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ كِتَـٰبًۭا فِى قِرْطَاسٍۢ فَلَمَسُوهُ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ لَقَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ إِنْ هَـٰذَآ إِلَّا سِحْرٌۭ مُّبِينٌۭ
Had We sent down to you (O Prophet) a revelation in writing and they were to touch it with their own hands, the disbelievers would still have said, “This is nothing but pure magic!”
Quran 6:8
وَقَالُوا۟ لَوْلَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ مَلَكٌۭ ۖ وَلَوْ أَنزَلْنَا مَلَكًۭا لَّقُضِىَ ٱلْأَمْرُ ثُمَّ لَا يُنظَرُونَ
They say, “Why has no angel come with him?” Had We sent down an angel, the matter would have certainly been settled , and they would have never been given more time ˹to repent˺.
Quran 6:9
وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَـٰهُ مَلَكًۭا لَّجَعَلْنَـٰهُ رَجُلًۭا وَلَلَبَسْنَا عَلَيْهِم مَّا يَلْبِسُونَ
And if We had sent an angel, We would have certainly made it ˹assume the form of˺ a man—leaving them more confused than they already are.
Quran 6:10
وَلَقَدِ ٱسْتُهْزِئَ بِرُسُلٍۢ مِّن قَبْلِكَ فَحَاقَ بِٱلَّذِينَ سَخِرُوا۟ مِنْهُم مَّا كَانُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَسْتَهْزِءُونَ١
Other˺ messengers had already been ridiculed before you ˹O Prophet˺, but those who mocked them were overtaken by what they used to ridicule.

So, Lets begin:
1. In verse 10: Allah seem to accept the fact that Mohammed is ALSO a Messenger (as other messengers have been sent before Mohammed who also have been ridiculed)
2. In verse 7: Allah said that he DID NOT send the revelations to Mohammed as a printed book from heaven, as the disbelievers would regard it as just magic (they wouldn't still believe anyways)
3. In verse 8: Allah says that he DID NOT send an Angel to Mohammed (even though these disbelievers ask why no angel has been sent to him) because IF he did, their judgement would have been concluded and thus cannot repent again
4. In verse 9: Allah says that IF HE DID SEND an Angel, the Angel would have come in the form of an ~~ordinary~~ Man which would even leave the disbelievers more confused. i.e. Allah DID NOT send any Angel even in form of a Man (not to even think as an Angel)

My Questions:
In Quran 6:7-10 it seems Allah is saying in no ambiguous terms that he DID NOT send any Angel to Mohammed either as an Angel (spirit being) or as a Man (physical being).
However, Islamic TRADITIONS say that the Angel Jibril was the one who always brought the Quran to Mohammed. There is even the elaborate story of Jibril's first encounter with Mohammed where he was squeezed and commanded to Recite!

1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent physically to Mohammed?
2. Who do you think we should believe in this case, the almighty Allah OR Islamic Traditions ?

Thank you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by TenQ: 10:07pm On Feb 12, 2023

jaephoenix:
I dont know, that's why I'm asking you

I assumed you think things that defy the physical law are still subject to the physical laws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtlvZGmHYk

Like this spider just grew a level of intelligence that natural laws cannot predict

Politics › Re: Naira swap: Nigeria At Risk Of CBN-Induced Recession - Nigerian Governors' Forum by TenQ: 6:27pm On Feb 12, 2023

For more of these kind of Problems, please vote APC.

You can be assured from LyingMohammed himself that APC has learnt from the 8 years of misrule and will do better next time.

Signed MannBBQ group of friends

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Christianity Etc › Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by TenQ: 6:51am On Feb 12, 2023

jaephoenix:
Great. Who made the miracle?

jaephoenix:
Ok. Where does the information come from

You tell me.

The information follow natural laws Abi?

Christianity Etc › Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by TenQ: 8:19pm On Feb 11, 2023

jaephoenix:
So its a miracle that makes oxygen, hydrogen to interact?

Dont act dumb.

Chemical reagents don't carry information ?

Information is data encapsulated logic.

Christianity Etc › Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by TenQ: 8:16pm On Feb 11, 2023

jaephoenix:
Lets assume its a force that drives them together. So where does the force come from?

The fact that it is an Enigma that disobey natural laws make it a miracle

Christianity Etc › Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by TenQ: 8:15pm On Feb 11, 2023

jaephoenix:
From replication

Information come from replication!?

Christianity Etc › Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by TenQ: 6:09pm On Feb 11, 2023

jaephoenix:
So its a miracle that makes oxygen, hydrogen to interact?

Inorganic atoms react by exchange or sharing of electrons. Present exactly the same environment, you'll obtain the same reaction.

The DNA contains a library of information, where do they come from?

Christianity Etc › Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ(op): 4:56pm On Feb 11, 2023

Dear LegalWolf, the soon-to-graduate Disciple of the Stone kissing Adulterous Schizophrenic Wife-Stealing Lying Thief and self proclaimed prophet Mohammed aka Qutham

I have said my own!
The ball is in your court: I know like a PIG, this life is what you enjoy.

All to avoid facing the TRUTH!?
SMH!!

Christianity Etc › Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ(op): 4:52pm On Feb 11, 2023

LegalWolf:
Hahahaha.. This is who I want to apprentice under! Lol. I love SHIM so much

Dear LegalWolf, the soon-to-graduate Disciple of the Stone kissing Adulterous Schizophrenic Wife-Stealing Lying Thief and self proclaimed prophet Mohammed aka Qutham
Aren't you a Muslim!?
You've chosen your path o!

Christianity Etc › Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ(op): 4:51pm On Feb 11, 2023

LegalWolf:
Hey Potential Thief TenQ

When next are you writing a topic? Ehn?

Regards

Dear LegalWolf, the soon-to-graduate Disciple of the Stone kissing Adulterous Schizophrenic Wife-Stealing Lying Thief and self proclaimed prophet Mohammed aka Qutham

I choose my time and topic: it's non of your business

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