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The Second part of my Response

AntiChristian:
In Islam, a human is composed of Soul and Body! The connection of Soul to body are defined differently in five cases:

A. as a foetus in the womb
B. at Birth
C. during sleep
D. in the Barzaakh (Period between death and the day of Resurrection). Here the soul is separated from the body but still has a connection to it.
E. On the day of Resurrection (when there will be no death)

The Soul separates from the body after death...
Imam Ahmad (17803) narrated that al-Bara ibn ‘Azib (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

“Verily, when the believing slave is about to depart this world and enter the Hereafter, there come down to him angels from heaven with white faces, as if their faces are the sun. They bring with them one of the shrouds of Paradise and some of the perfume of Paradise. They sit with him as far as the eye can see. Then the Angel of Death (peace be upon him) comes to him and sits by his head and says, ‘O pure soul, come out to the forgiveness and pleasure of Allah.’ Then his soul comes flowing out like a drop of water flowing from a cup. Then he takes the soul, and no sooner does he seize it but they take it and place it in that shroud and perfume. Then out of it comes the most excellent fragrance of musk to be found on the face of the earth. Then they ascend with it and they do not pass by any group of angels but the angels ask, ‘Who is this pure soul?’ and they reply, ‘It is So and So the son of So and So’ – using the best names by which he was known on earth. Then they bring it to the lowest heaven, and ask for it to be opened, and it is opened for him. Those who are of high rank in each heaven accompany it until they approach the next heaven, and so it goes until it reaches the seventh heaven. Then Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says: ‘Record the book of My slave in ‘Illiyyun (the highest heaven) and take him back to the earth, for I created them from it, and I shall return them to it, then I shall take them out from it again.’ Then his soul is returned to his body and two angels come and make him sit up”

Then the hadith mentions the questioning in the grave , then it mentions how the soul of the disbeliever is taken, then it says:

“Then they ascend with it and they do not pass by any group of angels but the angels ask, ‘Who is this evil soul?’ and they reply, ‘It is So and So the son of So and So’ – using the worst names by which he was known on earth. Then they bring it to the lowest heaven, and ask for it to be opened, and it is not opened for him.” Then the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) recited (interpretation of the meaning): “… For them the gates of heaven will not be opened, and they will not enter Paradise until the camel goes through the eye of the needle” [al-A’raf 7:40]. Then he said, “Then Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says: ‘Record the book of My slave in Sijjin (the lowest Hell) in the lowest earth. Then his soul is cast down.” Then he recited (interpretation of the meaning): “… and whoever assigns partners to Allah, it is as if he had fallen from the sky, and the birds had snatched him, or the wind had thrown him to a far off place.” [al-Hajj 22:31]. He said, “Then his soul is returned to his body and two angels come and make him sit up” Then it mentions the questioning in the grave .” (Classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih al-Jami‘, 1676)

In the Barzaakh, the soul of the dead meet one another as Allah wills. The Soul can be returned to the body as Allah wills.

According to the hadith narrated from Abu Ayyub al-Ansari and others of the salaf, and narrated by Abu Hatim in al-Sahih from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him): “When his soul is taken up it is met by the souls who ask him about the living and they say to one another: ‘Let him rest.’ And they say: ‘What happened to So and So?’ And he says: ‘He did a righteous deed.’ They say: ‘What happened to So and So?’ and he says: ‘Has he not come to you?’ They say: ‘No.’ They say: ‘He was taken to the Pit (of Hell).’”

And because the deeds of the living are shown to the dead, Abu’l-Darda used to say: “O Allah, I seek refuge with You from doing any deed that would shame me before ‘Abd-Allah ibn Rawahah.” This is how they meet when he comes and they ask him questions and they answer him.

Where does Soul settle?
With regard to where Souls settle, that depends on their status before Allah. For the one who is among those who are close to Allah (al-muqarrabin – cf. al-Waqi’ah 56:88), his status will be higher than those of the Right Hand (cf. al-Waqi’ah 56:90). The one who is higher may descend to the one who is lower but the one who is lower cannot ascend to the one who is higher, thus they will gather when Allah wills as they used to gather in this world, despite their differences in status, and they will visit one another.

That will happen whether their places in which they are buried in this world are far apart or close together. Souls may meet even though their places of burial are far apart, or they may be separated even though their places of burial are close together. A believer may be buried beside a disbeliever, but the soul of the former will be in Paradise whilst the soul of the latter is in Hell. Two men may be sitting or sleeping in the same place, but the heart of one is blessed and the heart of the other is tormented, and there is no connection between the two souls. As the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Souls are troops collected together and those who got along with each other (in the heaven from whence they come) would have an affinity with one another (in this world) and those amongst them who opposed each other (in heaven) would also be divergent (in the world).” (Narrated by Muslim, 2638; Majmu’ al-Fatawa, 24/368)

Moreso, this a matter of the unseen and we can only state what is narrated or proven in the authentic tradition of the Prophet!

My Observations:
1. Souls are treated as Living Persons.
2. Souls are treated as Representing the dead body
3. The Soul is DIFFERENT from the Body
4. On Earth while ALIVE, the Body is treated as the Person.

If all these above is TRUE (I beg to be corrected in any of the points above where I've erred), is Islamic position that Human beings are DUALITIES?

Knowing that no such words like Duality exist in Islamic theology, I wish to state the meaning here below

Duality meaning that
A man's Body is a Person
The man's Soul is a Person
The Body is NOT the Soul
Yet
The Soul and Body of the man is ONE!

The Question again:
Is the Islamic position not supporting that Human beings are DUALITIES?

MightySparrow:
3. [b]For Others (non prophets nor martyr) After some time in your grave, you are then visited by two angels, known as Munkar and Nakir. They are assigned to test the faith of those dead within their graves. When they arrive, they sit you up in your grave and ask you the following: “Who is your Lord? Who is your Prophet? And what is your faith?”. The result of your examination will determine if the grave will be comfortable or harsh for the person.

Summary:
All those who died on earth whether Martyr, Prophet or Anyone else are CONSCIOUS in their GRAVE

Finally:
Mohammed while ALIVE was taken by Jubril to Paradise and the seven Heavens in a night Journey . Isra Miraj is one of the most notable events in the religious history of Islam. I won't want to bore you with the ELABORATE IMAGINATIVE story .

1. Mohammed was taken by Jubril on one of the animals of heaven called
Buraq to “the farthest mosque” Masjid al-Aqsa, in Jerusalem. The Buraq is one of the animals of paradise and is described as “a white creature that is larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place its hoof (step) a distance equal to the range of his vision." (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
2. After this Mohammed was taken to the seven Heavens where he met (at different tares) the old prophets starting with Adam and then John the Baptist with Jesus and then Joseph, Aaron, Moses and Abraham (in the seventh heaven).
3. Then Mohammed was permitted to go above the seventh heaven . When he finally reached the highest level in the heavens, he was brought into the Divine Presence of the Almighty Allah s.w.t, alone at Sidratul Muntaha (a boundary beyond which none may pass). It is said to be the boundary that has never been passed by anyone except by Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. Here, Rasulullah s.a.w. was given the Divine Decree for the believers to establish 50 daily prayers......and later reduced to 5 after he had consulted several times with Moses




It is inferred. The say everyone is born a Muslim: Adam was a Muslim, Moses and all prophets are Muslims. Islam started with Mohammed in 62x AD.
If there people are Muslims, they must have been attended to by the angels in the OP's narrative in the second section.[/b]

Islam is a joke for Tale by the Moonlight

The issue with them is sentimental attachment to Islamic religion at the expense of TRUTH and REASON!

Islamic Motto seems to be:
"Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have made up my mind"!

Watch him pretend he didn't read the question!
SMH!

LegalWolf:
Lol, coming from a potential thief 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

drlateef:
Stop quoting Quran, because you don’t believe the story in Quran.

1. If I quoted the bible for you, do you believe it? NO!
THEREFORE,
I quote that which you believe to prove my point. You believe in the Qur'an, therefore will you please respond.

Qur'an 4:158
but Allah raised him to Himself.Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise

Is the Qur'an 4:158 wrong?

It is a simple question

drlateef:
You said jesus took himself up, is he a astronaut or space diver? You are talking of miracles, if you believe in miracles, why can’t you believe the story of Muhammad mirage and israh as miracle? Is it only Jesus that was given power of miracles? You are so ignorant I don’t even know how many questions to throw at you.

Surah 29:50:
And they say: Why are not signs sent down upon him from his Lord? Say: The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner.

Surah 13:7:
The unbelievers say, “Why has God not sent him, (Muhammad), some miracles.” Muhammad, you are only a warner. For every nation there is a guide.


Who do we believe, you or Allah?
Allah says no miracles was given to Mohammed as Mohammed is just a Warner!

So, how do you want to believe it's a miracle against the words of Allah?

Or, is there ANY verse of the Qur'an where Allah says Mohammed was given miraculous power or sign?


THE QUESTIONS:
1. Now, the going of Mohammed to the seven Heavens, was it REAL or FICTIONAL?

2. Who was the EVIDENCE?

MightySparrow:
The sure answer? It is areal fiction.


Islam is a joke

Theybare so predictable!

Just watch him start going round in circles. They would say everything but avoid answering the question.

drlateef:
Who took Jesus to heaven? What method of transport was used? And which heaven was he taken to? Is it possible for humans to survive without assistance in outer space?

The scripture was clear
Act 1:9:
"And having said this, while they were beholding [him] he was taken up, and a cloud received him out of their sight."

1. He was taken up by HIMSELF
2. The cloud received him out of their sight.

After the clouds, the disciples couldn't see Jesus again therefore the issue of vacuum in space does not arise. We can say what was revealed.

But, so many things are possible for Jesus which is not possible for other humans LOL
Like
1. Creating a bird from clay
2. Giving life to the dead
3. Speaking as a baby etc

So, you think Jesus couldn't have survived if he went into the space vacuum? LOL!

Even then, you are the Muslim:
Allah himself in the Qur'an attests to the fact that Jesus was taken to Allah.

Qur'an 4:158
but Allah raised him to Himself.Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise

Is the Qur'an 4:158 wrong?






NOW that I have answered ALL your questions, please answer mine.


THE QUESTIONS:
1. Now, the going of Mohammed to the seven Heavens, was it REAL or FICTIONAL?

2. Who was the EVIDENCE?

MightySparrow:
What about sheikh Antichristian? I can see his luxuriant beard, the mark of sheikhhood from here.


The two Angels asked Adam and Moses who their prophet was. And they answered Mohammed

Abegi find me this hadith, I want to laugh!

LordReed:
False. Space is a vacuum and natural. Like I said stop relying on outdated ideas, it makes you sound simplistic and primitive.

LOL!
Outdated ideas, please lecture me!

Well, the purpose of this post is to give you the good news that some of you folks have some hope...LOL

Have a good night rest!

LordReed:
Like I said I don't know where the universe came from, maybe a god created it but I am sure that god is not the one you believe in.

LMAO! Says the one going on tantrums and relying on false stereotypes. Bwahahahahaha!

Okay, we are coming close small-small..LOL!

..maybe a god created it
BUT
You are sure such is not my God.

Good!

Maybe plus Certainty . LOL!

Of course, when you REJECT the CREATOR, the vacuum must be filled somehow: nature abhors vacuum!

Have a good evening till another time.

@shadeyinka
Let me answer him

drlateef:
Was the ascension of jesus to heaven fake or real?

1. The Ascension of Jesus was REAL and it occurred in the presence of His disciples and other followers.
Act 1:9:
"And having said this, while they were beholding [him] he was taken up, and a cloud received him out of their sight."

2. Even your Qur'an attests to the fact that Jesus was taken to Allah.


THE QUESTIONS:
1. Now, the going of Mohammed to the seven Heavens, was it REAL or FICTIONAL?

2. Who was the EVIDENCE?

ABIODUN105:
Op we still need you alive Muslim can kill for insulting there prophet

Thanks bro!
When it's time to die, we move. LOL!

I try my best not to just go insulting their religion and their prophet except when they push me into it. However, most of these things are reported in there own books, so it shouldn't be an insult it's only that they would like to rewrite the history of Mohammed which is now impossible

Even though, Wisdom directs, one should not be afraid of those who can kill the body as the worst they can do.

These post educate both Christians and Muslims alike at the end of the day.

LordReed:
I don't know where everything came from.

You have no logical recourse in our discussion so you debase yourself with the atheist is evil trope. SMH.

You don't know where everything came from BUT you are sure it Didn't come from "the SOURCE" aka God!?
Meaning that you know elsewhere other that "the SOURCE" aka God where everything came from.
Isn't this true?




If you are not planning evil, why your emotional outbursts?

AntiChristian:
Did you even read at all?
Where does Soul settle?
With regard to where Souls settle, that depends on their status before Allah. For the one who is among those who are close to Allah (al-muqarrabin – cf. al-Waqi’ah 56:88), his status will be higher than those of the Right Hand (cf. al-Waqi’ah 56:90). The one who is higher may descend to the one who is lower but the one who is lower cannot ascend to the one who is higher, thus they will gather when Allah wills as they used to gather in this world, despite their differences in status, and they will visit one another.

That will happen whether their places in which they are buried in this world are far apart or close together. Souls may meet even though their places of burial are far apart, or they may be separated even though their places of burial are close together. A believer may be buried beside a disbeliever, but the soul of the former will be in Paradise whilst the soul of the latter is in Hell. Two men may be sitting or sleeping in the same place, but the heart of one is blessed and the heart of the other is tormented, and there is no connection between the two souls. As the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Souls are troops collected together and those who got along with each other (in the heaven from whence they come) would have an affinity with one another (in this world) and those amongst them who opposed each other (in heaven) would also be divergent (in the world).” (Narrated by Muslim, 2638; Majmu’ al-Fatawa, 24/368)

I think you misunderstood my response. I
1. First re-stated my original question
2. Then I quoted your response
3. Then I made my observations on your response
4. Finally, I asked questions relating to your response

Please check again, I even indicated I read your post and my observations on the details.

Thanks

AntiChristian:
See Deflection?

It is no deflection. You said the Jews don't agree with Christians and I said the Jews don't also agree with you Muslims and in fact you Muslims FABRICATE lies about the Jews. As An example of your lies I asked the question:

Where Did the Jews claim that Ezra is the son of Allah?

AntiChristian:
I never said such! Read up!

You did say so My friend!

AntiChristian:
The Jews do not agree with you!
Yeah, just as you don't make any sense too!

How did God defend Moses when he killed people and save all their virgins only? He gave God his own share!

Chai! You have eyes but you don't see! Read up what i said!

AntiChristian:
Abeg, you are caught in your foolishness when you don't even understand what i said before you comment! The thread is about Things Christians and Jews Don't Know About Moses That Muslims Do!

If Muslims and not the Christians are the custodian of these KNOWLEDGE, who should we ask Questions?

LOL!

Too easy a question!
He was repeating the creation of Adam when he fashioned out the eyes from clay.

Didn't Allah also create Adam from clay/mud according to the Qur'an?

Now explain:

1. But you honestly feel that the SHY Moses will throw away his shyness and run about the town like a toddler pursuing a stone with his stick?

2. What was the purpose of Moses spanking the stone?
Instead of quickly putting on his clothes

Moses that was commanding wars killing people and collecting virgins was never "meek"!

And I've challenged you to state how many virgins Moses took...don't make me start speaking of your prophet. Please!
Do you even know the meaning of being Meek?
If a Meek man is made a leader, are you saying that he will be deaf and dumb to external aggressions and cannot function as a leader.

Post the definition of being Meek here and prove that he cannot function as a leader.

Justify how a shy man will choose to flog a stone rather than put on his clothes


1. But you honestly feel that the SHY Moses will throw away his shyness and run about the town like a toddler pursuing a stone with his stick?

2. What was the purpose of Moses spanking the stone?
Instead of quickly putting on his clothes

AntiChristian:
No wonder others no dey answer you anymore!
You are really empty!

At least I appreciate that when you want, you can respond to questions to the level of your ability

First, I mus appreciate your response to the questions. You are at least more HONOURABLE than most here. The responses are to the best of your understanding and I can see that references were used to justify your understanding.

Thanks one again!
I will break my response into two parts


Question 1:
If according to Islam, every prophet is in their graves PRAYING, how did Mohammed MEET them and converse with them in the seven heavens?

Your Response:

AntiChristian:
In Islam, a human is composed of Soul and Body! The connection of Soul to body are defined differently in five cases:

A. as a foetus in the womb
B. at Birth
C. during sleep
D. in the Barzaakh (Period between death and the day of Resurrection). Here the soul is separated from the body but still has a connection to it.
E. On the day of Resurrection (when there will be no death)

The Soul separates from the body after death...
Imam Ahmad (17803) narrated that al-Bara ibn ‘Azib (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

“Verily, when the believing slave is about to depart this world and enter the Hereafter, there come down to him angels from heaven with white faces, as if their faces are the sun. They bring with them one of the shrouds of Paradise and some of the perfume of Paradise. They sit with him as far as the eye can see. Then the Angel of Death (peace be upon him) comes to him and sits by his head and says, ‘O pure soul, come out to the forgiveness and pleasure of Allah.’ Then his soul comes flowing out like a drop of water flowing from a cup. Then he takes the soul, and no sooner does he seize it but they take it and place it in that shroud and perfume. Then out of it comes the most excellent fragrance of musk to be found on the face of the earth. Then they ascend with it and they do not pass by any group of angels but the angels ask, ‘Who is this pure soul?’ and they reply, ‘It is So and So the son of So and So’ – using the best names by which he was known on earth. Then they bring it to the lowest heaven, and ask for it to be opened, and it is opened for him. Those who are of high rank in each heaven accompany it until they approach the next heaven, and so it goes until it reaches the seventh heaven. Then Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says: ‘Record the book of My slave in ‘Illiyyun (the highest heaven) and take him back to the earth, for I created them from it, and I shall return them to it, then I shall take them out from it again.’ Then his soul is returned to his body and two angels come and make him sit up”

Then the hadith mentions the questioning in the grave , then it mentions how the soul of the disbeliever is taken, then it says:

“Then they ascend with it and they do not pass by any group of angels but the angels ask, ‘Who is this evil soul?’ and they reply, ‘It is So and So the son of So and So’ – using the worst names by which he was known on earth. Then they bring it to the lowest heaven, and ask for it to be opened, and it is not opened for him.” Then the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) recited (interpretation of the meaning): “… For them the gates of heaven will not be opened, and they will not enter Paradise until the camel goes through the eye of the needle” [al-A’raf 7:40]. Then he said, “Then Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says: ‘Record the book of My slave in Sijjin (the lowest Hell) in the lowest earth. Then his soul is cast down.” Then he recited (interpretation of the meaning): “… and whoever assigns partners to Allah, it is as if he had fallen from the sky, and the birds had snatched him, or the wind had thrown him to a far off place.” [al-Hajj 22:31]. He said, “Then his soul is returned to his body and two angels come and make him sit up” Then it mentions the questioning in the grave .” (Classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih al-Jami‘, 1676)

In the Barzaakh, the soul of the dead meet one another as Allah wills. The Soul can be returned to the body as Allah wills.

According to the hadith narrated from Abu Ayyub al-Ansari and others of the salaf, and narrated by Abu Hatim in al-Sahih from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him): “When his soul is taken up it is met by the souls who ask him about the living and they say to one another: ‘Let him rest.’ And they say: ‘What happened to So and So?’ And he says: ‘He did a righteous deed.’ They say: ‘What happened to So and So?’ and he says: ‘Has he not come to you?’ They say: ‘No.’ They say: ‘He was taken to the Pit (of Hell).’”

And because the deeds of the living are shown to the dead, Abu’l-Darda used to say: “O Allah, I seek refuge with You from doing any deed that would shame me before ‘Abd-Allah ibn Rawahah.” This is how they meet when he comes and they ask him questions and they answer him.

Where does Soul settle?
With regard to where Souls settle, that depends on their status before Allah. For the one who is among those who are close to Allah (al-muqarrabin – cf. al-Waqi’ah 56:88), his status will be higher than those of the Right Hand (cf. al-Waqi’ah 56:90). The one who is higher may descend to the one who is lower but the one who is lower cannot ascend to the one who is higher, thus they will gather when Allah wills as they used to gather in this world, despite their differences in status, and they will visit one another.

That will happen whether their places in which they are buried in this world are far apart or close together. Souls may meet even though their places of burial are far apart, or they may be separated even though their places of burial are close together. A believer may be buried beside a disbeliever, but the soul of the former will be in Paradise whilst the soul of the latter is in Hell. Two men may be sitting or sleeping in the same place, but the heart of one is blessed and the heart of the other is tormented, and there is no connection between the two souls. As the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Souls are troops collected together and those who got along with each other (in the heaven from whence they come) would have an affinity with one another (in this world) and those amongst them who opposed each other (in heaven) would also be divergent (in the world).” (Narrated by Muslim, 2638; Majmu’ al-Fatawa, 24/368)

Moreso, this a matter of the unseen and we can only state what is narrated or proven in the authentic tradition of the Prophet!

I have taken time to read your response and this are my observations.
1. The souls of the dead are alive and conscious
2. in the Barzaakh the soul is separated from the body but still has a connection to it.
3. According to Imam Ahmad (17803) , the soul of the dead is first taken up to the seven heavens , their names written for heaven or hell before Allah commands that it be returned to the body on earth!
4. In the Barzaakh, the soul of the dead meet one another as Allah wills. I assume that this will be on earth.
5. Finally, you addressed Where does Soul settles as DEPENDING on their depends on their status before Allah.
But,
Here, there is a fatal contradiction
A. The location seem to be on earth where the higher in hierarchy can visit the lower but not vise Versa
B. However, it is ALSO reported that "A believer may be buried beside a disbeliever, but the soul of the former will be in Paradise whilst the soul of the latter is in Hell"

Questions:
1. Does this mean that some souls are not returned with their bodies but are in Paradise, while others are in Hell?
2. Is prophet Mohammed in Paradise or in his grave?
3. If all the prophets are already in Paradise, why is there a need for Resurrection?
4. Doesn't this contract the hadith where Mohammed implored you Muslims to do salat on him?
5. Does this not also contradict the hadith where the prophets are praying IN their graves?

Thank you.


Question 2:
If Mohammed will be the FIRST to be Resurrected, was the narrative of the Journey to heaven REAL or FICTIONAL?
(Is the Buraq Real or Not and is Jubril real or not?)
Your Response:

AntiChristian:
The narrative of that journey was real. Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam will be the first to be resurrected on resurrection day! Buraaq and Jubril are of course real!

Thanks for being real and direct.
If I got you correctly, You claimed that the narration is REAL.

Since this is real, it cannot be said to be a dream but a real occurrence.(I am not claiming you said it's a dream o, I am just eliminating it as an explanation)



Question 3.
Who built the Masjid al-Aqsa in Jerusalem?
In the time of Mohammed, there was no single Mosque in Jerusalem (In fact historically, Jerusalem was baren and desolate at this time as the Romans sacked and dispersed them). Secondly, the Romans had pulled down the Temple of Solomon to its foundation, so it didn't exist again.

Your Response:

AntiChristian:
The Mosque is not necessary a building at the time. It is at most a compound or let's call it a "site" in Nigeria language.
So they prayed at Masjid Al Aqsa does not mean it was an established Mosque as it is today back then!

Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The entire earth has been made a place of prayer, except for graveyards and washrooms.” Sunan al-Tirmidhī 317

I think this your answer is too VAGUE!
Why!?
Anywhere on earth could potentially be the location including your mosque in Nigeria.
The other issue is the case of designation, a land is ordinary until it becomes DESIGNATED as a mosque. In this sense since no where in Jerusalem or Israel had been designated as a mosque, the argument is extremely weak.

Finally, the farthest Mosque using your claim of "the entire earth" should be somewhere close to Australia or within the Southern hemisphere of the earth.

I thus represent my original question as there was no designation for such a place in the time of Mohammed.

Question 4.
Who witnessed the Isra Miraj apart from Mohammed? Who else can serve as a WITNESS to this Night Journey of Mohammed?

AntiChristian:
No human witnessed it. Just as no one witnessed Matthew, John, Paul, Mark and Luke writing any of their several Books in the New Testament!

At least, I still appreciate your truthfulness on responding to this question.

You will note from the earlier revealed scripture that ALL Miracles had at least ONE witness. The Report of the writers of the gospel had evidence of the occurrence of their writings since many of the primary witnesses were alive at the time of the writings. Of course, this is NOT a miracle.

If there was no witness, not even ANY of the 13 Wives of prophet Mohammed not any of the companions, how can we TRUST that the report is TRUE?

Has the prophet Mohammed ever claimed ANYTHING which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?

AntiChristian:
Where are the Jewish statements?

No, your statement:
When did the Jews say Ezra is the son of Allah?

AntiChristian:
I asked a question and you are answering it with another question!

Be Sane for once!

You said:
God defended Moses by killing all except the virgins:

And I asked you to prove you sources


As, this is a lie from you as usual. If your position is true, state your source where God defended Moses by killing people except virgins.

AntiChristian:
How did God defend Moses when he killed people and save all their virgins only?
Was Moses "Meek" so as to be able to kill people and inherit their virgins according to the Bible?

You may wish to quote any evidence that Moses took any virgins for himself.
SMH!
You forgot that Moses himself NEVER fought by himself any battle. He wasn't a young man then all he needed to do was to give his commands.
To be meek means:
quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on;

But, how can a SHY man run about naked on the street?

AntiChristian:
We never finish Biblical Moses first! Make i help you delete the kpotokpoto you wrote before!

You forgot that this thread is about Islam, the Qur'an, Mohammed and your hadiths!?
I only showed you how Mohammed used his "sexometers " . I never heard of the word till you brought it up.

AntiChristian:
Why Did Jesus mix Saliva to heal when he can just talk to wake the dead? Anuofia!

Too easy a question!
He was repeating the creation of Adam when he fashioned out the eyes from clay.

Didn't Allah also create Adam from clay/mud according to the Qur'an?

Now explain:

1. But you honestly feel that the SHY Moses will throw away his shyness and run about the town like a toddler pursuing a stone with his stick?



2. What was the purpose of Moses spanking the stone?
Instead of quickly putting on his clothes

LordReed:
LMAO, suddenly you've added lying to your repertoire or can you quite one place I have said I believe everything manufactured itself from nothing? Of course you can't but because you are bereft of any logical moves you've become a liar. Bwahahahahaha!

You are acting like a pitiful little child throwing a tantrum, it's sad to see you debase yourself like this.

May be I got you wrong.

Are you saying that everything has SOURCE?

There is no harm answering my question!

Tell me, are you planning of being totally evil?

LegalWolf:
Lol, is the highlight in contest, ehn potential thief 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The question is simple:

Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?


Only liars will twist and turn to avoid answering direct questions

LegalWolf:
Unlike you, there’s proof for EVERYTHING I say. You call it slander right? Just two quick questions:

1. Is there a saying amongst Yoruba that an habitual liar is a potential thief?

2. Are you not an habitual liar, having said several untrue statements without proof?

Lol! I do not pray you either die as a potential thief or an actual thief who’ll be hanged like Lawrence Aninih/TenQnih

Another lie in highlight! LOL!

Unfortunately for you, until you quit dodging my questions, you don't deserve an iota of civility with respect to your diversionary questions !

Respond sensibly to my questions.



The question is simple:

Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?


Only liars will twist and turn to avoid answering direct questions

LegalWolf:
Hehehe potential thief 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The question is extremely simple:
Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

LordReed:
Same way it's you call in all the other hells you don't believe in. Bwahahahahaha.

BTW it's not just my opinion, you have continual expressed that your god is nothing but a primitive idea stuck in primitive times and primitive ways of thinking, that's on you bro. LoLz.

No sir.
You are the one who have the warped, stupid and illogical idea that everything manufactured itself from nothing.

Tell me, are you planning of being totally evil?

AntiChristian:
The Jews do not agree with you!
Yeah, just as you don't make any sense too!

How did God defend Moses when he killed people and save all their virgins only? He gave God his own share!

How is being shy related to marriage? Did he toast your sister?



The word translated to "Meek" can actually mean Poor/afflicted /Humble/meek!

Na Christianity get problems!

Meek Moses!
Numbers 31:17-18
So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.

All boys/men are killed.

All women who had previously had sex were killed. (I still wonder what instrument was used to do this- Sexometer or Vaginometer)

Only virgins were spared!

Numbers 31:35
and 32,000 women who had not slept with a man.

How was this known? Will they have to open them up and use a speculum as in HVS test or what?

Yahweh gets a share of 32 Virgins!
Numbers 31:40
and 16,000 people, including a tribute to the LORD of 32.

No doubt, God is not the author of confusion or nonsense!
Far is He from what they ascribed to Him.

Meek Moses!

And the Jews differ from you.

You could even lie against them.
God NEVER defended Moses by killing all except the virgins: this is a lie from you as usual. If your position is true, state your source where God defended Moses by killing people except virgins.


About your "sexometers", let me show you what your glorious Mohammed used to sort out virgin boys

Sunan Ibn Majah 2541
It was narrated that 'Abdul-Malik bin `Umair said:
“I heard 'Atiyyah Al-Quradhi say: 'We were presented to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) on the Day of Quraidhah. Those whose pubic hair had grown were killed, and those whose pubic hair had not yet grown were let go. I was one of those whose pubic hair had not yet grown, so I was let go.”


LOL!


And IGNORANT Islam doesn't know that the Tabanacle had servants who specifically work to clean and maintain the place of worship. Everyone and everything there including furniture's and utilities like bowls belong to the Lord.

Allow me to spank your gross IGNORANCE!

The Levites ALSO belonged to God because from them is ordained the Priesthood in the Tabanacle of God
Num 3:45:
"Take the Levites, instead of all the first born of the children of Israel, and the cattle of the Levites, for the firstlings of their cattle; and the Levites shall belong to me; I the Lord.

Every firstborn of the children of Israel and of their animals belonged to God for His Tabanacle
Num 3:13:
"for every first born belongeth to me. On the day when I smote every first born in the land of Egypt, I hallowed for myself all the firstlings in Israel. The firstlings both of man and beast shall belong to me. I am the Lord."

Even all the Heavens and the Earth belonged to God
Deu 10:14:
"Behold the heaven, and the heaven of heavens, belong to the Lord thy God, the earth also, and all that are therein."

Now that you have been thoroughly spanked,


But you honestly feel that the SHY Moses will throw away his shyness and run about the town like a toddler pursuing a stone with his stick?

What was the purpose of Moses spanking the stone?
Instead of putting on his clothes

Hopium:
Kwara: APC - 75%; PDP - 22%; LP - 2.5%.

Are you sure?

Of course this is your wish

LordReed:
Again your god cannot reform? Bwahahahahaha!

If you think so, it is your opinion not mine.

The wicked are Rejected until the pay in full for their WICKEDNESS!

Are you looking for hope of redemption from your wickedness?
You want to live a life of no accountability!?

It's your call bro, not mine!

LegalWolf:
Although imperfect, the bible says the wicked flee when no one pursues.... I just performed an experiment - did not even mention your name but I love the fact that you have owned up the name potential thief.

We are making progress!

1. I am not like you as a pig enjoy all kinds of mud fights. Your slanderous nature is irritating and for less intelligent people who hide their ignorance in diversions from the issues at stake
2. Unfortunately, as the unwise that you are you MENTIONED TenQ on Nairaland. To that I've responded. You may try it without quoting me dum dum!

The question is simple:

Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?


Only liars will

LegalWolf:
Hehehehe look at this TenQnih caught lying on several occasions having the audacity to talk about lies!

Hehehehe future thief ooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The question is extremely simple:
Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

LegalWolf:
Potential Thief X

When next are you writing a new topic ?


Regards

After you have answered the questions on this topic of course only dummies will speak plenty words while avoiding the main questions summarised again below


Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?



:
You never disappoint with your display of gross ignorance of Islam.

THE QUESTIONS:
1. If according to Islam, every prophet is in their graves PRAYING, how did Mohammed MEET them and converse with them in the seven heavens?
2. If Mohammed will be the FIRST to be Resurrected, was the narrative of the Journey to heaven REAL or FICTIONAL?
(Is the Buraq Real or Not and is Jubril real or not?)
3. Who built the Masjid al-Aqsa in Jerusalem?
In the time of Mohammed, there was no single Mosque in Jerusalem (In fact historically, Jerusalem was baren and desolate at this time as the Romans sacked and dispersed them). Secondly, the Romans had pulled down the Temple of Solomon to its foundation, so it didn't exist again.
4. Who witnessed the Isra Miraj apart from Mohammed? Who else can serve as a WITNESS to this Night Journey of Mohammed?

LegalWolf:
LOL! were you, as a future thief, expecting any form of fulfilment of expectation from me? Ehn potential thief

The question is too easy in case your brain cannot handle the longer questions


Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?


Religion of lies, will either tell further lies or dance about the bush avoiding totally the question.

LordReed:
Retribution is not paying any dues. Are the victims of theft compensated by the torture? Do the victims of rape get their dignity back from the torture? What due is the tortured person paying?

Hell is a simplistic vision from simplistic folk so your god follows the same pattern. And instead of elevating yourself from primitive ideas you regress. SMH.

What does a manufacturer do to factory misfits.
They are rejected and thrown into the bin

parkervero:
But seriously, who your virginity help?

So, how does the opposite help?

AntiChristian:
I just gave that to your colleague in folly who is always saying " The Jews confirmed Jesus", The Jews did this and that". Where did i say it was correct?

Okay!
I thought you wanted to use Celcus as an argument for the position of Islam (a common tactics by LegalWolf)

I guess his argument is that if BOTH the Jews and Christians agree on an event, the event is most likely TRUE (as of that time, Jews do not like Christians at all).


But Truth be told, the hadith doesn't make sense.

If Moses was a shy person, Allah feels that exposing Moses unclothedness will achieve his task. Wouldn't there be another round of jokes by the Jews about Moses running like an Antelope or Gazelle in the street with his long stick trying to beat a stone?

If you've read the Torah at all, you will see that God Himself defends Moses even from his own family Aaron and Miriam who became Leprous for challenging Moses.

Moses the shy man Married a second wife

Num 12:1-10:
"and while they were at Aseroth, Mariam and Aaron spoke against Moses, because of the Ethiopian woman whom Moses had taken; because he had taken to wife an Ethiopian woman, therefore they said, Hath the Lord spoken to Moses only? Hath he not spoken to us also? Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men on the earth, And when the Lord heard, the Lord immediately said to Moses, and Aaron, and Mariam. Come forth you three to the tabernacle of the testimony. And when they three came out to the tabernacle of the testimony, the Lord descended in a pillar of cloud, and stood at the door of the tabernacle of the testimony, and Aaron and Mariam were called. And when they both came out he said to them, Hear my words. If there be a prophet among you to the Lord, I will make myself known to him by a vision, and speak to him in sleep. Not so with respect to my servant Moses. In all my house he is faithful. Mouth to mouth, I will speak to him personally, and not in dark sentences. He hath actually seen the glory of God. Why then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses. And the wrath of the Lord was upon them, and the cloud withdrew from the tabernacle, and behold Mariam was leprous like snow. When Aaron looked on Mariam, and behold she was leprous,"


Can you see the highlighted in Yellow!? this is where your prophet got the story about Moses shyness. He was a MEEK man!


So, you see my problem with Islam?


Cc:
LegalWolf

Yungbliss:
Ff

Is this thesis UNTRUE?







In the Islamic Hell Fire,there is Hope for Atheists to be Set Free


I have an extremely good news for Atheists and any Person unfortunate to be consigned to the Islamic Hell fire. There is a Hadith of the greatest prophet in human history, prophet Mohammed which he received from Allah or Jubril. The Hadith is presented below

Sunan Ibn Majah 4337
It was narrated from Abu Umamah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“There is no one whom Allah will admit to Paradise but Allah will marry him to seventy-two wives, two from houris and seventy from his inheritance from the people of Hell, all of whom will have desirable front passages and he will have a male member that never becomes flaccid (i.e., soft and limp).’”
https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:4337

In case you don't understand this hadith, it was a promise of Allah (acting as a love-vendor) to the Muslim man
1. Allah himself will marry the Muslim man to 72 wives . 2 houris plus 70 wives from what Allah will give him as inheritance from the people of hell fire
2. The second promise of Allah is that the Muslim man will have a perpetual erection to be able to cope with his 72 wives.

The second part of this hadith is what concerns you Atheists and anyone unfortunate enough to be sentenced by Allah to his hell fire for not being a Muslim and for bad behaviour
Unfortunately, the criteria is a little tight o! Not every atheist can qualify but I will state the criteria here for you

Any Atheists and other people who are unfortunate to be sentenced to hell fire who will have the hope for parole from hell fire must have the following basic characteristics.

Here are the three major criteria from the love-vendor of the Islamic paradise.
1. She must be Female and young
2. She must have big boobs and nice receptor for the Muslim man's endless penis (the Arabic is more expressive)
3. She must be ready to serve the Muslim man as sex object for eternity

These three are the only conditions: it doesn't matter the nature of evil that got you into hell in the first place. Experience as a call girl or hooker may be an added advantage (don't quote me on this o)

Disclaimer:
For you guys, I'm sorry for you as the criteria does not cover you. If you are a lady but you aren't blessed Infront and between, I'm sorry for you too. Also not needed are the old ladies.


My Advice:
1. All questions to be directed to Muslims for clarification
2. Better begin to make friends with Muslims while you can. You never know if he finally chooses you to be number 70 out of the allowed maximum of 70 wives from the people of hell fire.

For my friends, I have posted the Arabic version of the hadith in the page below so that you can verify if the interpretation is off or not