blackyooo: so basically jesus is human and God to you right? so if jesus decided to have intimacy with woman that means God have intimacy with human woman?
Do you have it in ANY Record that Jesus was married or had any intimacy with anyone or intended to marry?
Let me rephrase your question: Since Allah is almighty, does he have the power to have intimacy with his creatures?
MightySparrow: [53]Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54]Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55]For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. [56]He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. [57]As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. [58]This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
John 6:53-58
These are the very words of Jesus.
The question is: why would Father need a Son for the redemption of mankind?
Where is it said that the Father NEED to have a Son?
Of course, Jesus is the Son but your Question presupposes that the Father NEED to have a Son: does he?
LegalWolf: Tell me: in truth, calling you a potential thief, future thief, destined armed robber, Oyenusi mentee, Lawrence TenQnih etc. gets to you right? It pains you a lot, huh ?🤔
If doesn’t, good for you. But it does, fa fa fa…. Foul! Omo, you’ll cry eternity o
Does it!? LOL!
Your imagination is extremely WILD! In a FACELESS Forum!?
Unfortunately, I am still far better any day than you Schizophrenic Fool and Adulterer of a Prophet you follow!
LegalWolf: Lol, almost everywhere in the world, Truth is a defence to Slander my potential thief. Again, when next are you pushing a thread out there?
Since you may even fabricate a response, I await your next topic. I’ll be here to remind you. Lol 😂
Sorry for your pain! Like I said:
What help do you need from me to execute your Jihad? Ask, and you shall receive!
LegalWolf: Like I once said, you’re too used to stray humans and it’s not my duty to teach you
Just to clarify so it doesn’t go under the rug, you never forced me to adopt anyones position. You asked me a question and I told you someone else has answered it and I don’t see the need to repeat the response.
Now, this is where it gets interesting. Simple answer to your question is NO. But I don’t know the word or spirit of God has blood which is needed by God to forgive. Please point it to me
Jubril is a spirit, HOWEVER When Jubril came as a perfect man to Mary, was he with or without blood?
As usual, "they" don't know the answer!
LegalWolf: Even if a gun is pointed to my head, I’ll call you a potential thief!
O, you scared me! I am shivering in fear now! Okay, I've REPENTED, don't do that pleeeeaaase!
Do you want me to send some emissaries to beg you?
So, you acknowledge that I am doing enough damage you'll rather want to curtail? Just hear yourself giving a threat like a primary school boy! LOL
LegalWolf: I should bring evidence to prove what you asserted . You made a statement without proof and you expect me to look for proof for you?
You are really “smart”!
Proofs go both ways my dear; you didn't learn that in law school!?
LegalWolf: Despite the fact that I consider my debate with you as cruise and waste of time, I think I’ve thought you something valuable. That were a source never mentions something, you don’t go on hallucinating like mad men with your version of the story.
To answer your question: 1. We have evidence that Jesus was the son of Mary , a female specie of human race. 2. We have evidence that Mary was a human being and not a spirit; 3. We know that the only natural way things of substance (outside liquid) comes out from a female is through mouth, anus or vagina 4. Evidence abounds, and which you admitted that humans reproduce by coming ouT of their mother’s vagina 5. Since Mary is a human (female), her birth of Jesus could only possibly be through the vagina.
That’s a combo of inductive and deductive logic. The stray advocatejare may expand further on it or FxMasterz may write an epistle to explain if he knows it.
(underlined mine, apparently)
You think it if fair to you to infer and connect the dots in the Christians narrative of the birth of JESUS but I can't do the same!?
You see your life?
That was why I asked you to present ANY Christian literature that mentioned that Jesus was born through the vagina of Mary!
LegalWolf: Who told you judges compel accused/respondent to answer questions. 🙆♀️ Was it the stray advocatejare 😝😝😝😝 or your rapist defending lawyer-friend?
If you think your question embarrasses me, would that make you sleep better at night? Ehn! Lol
I'm sure in the court of law you have heard the phrases "Objection OVERRULED!" Or "Objection SUSTAINED!"
Of course, the questions embarrass you that you will feign there wasn't any questions in the first place.
If not
LIKE I SAID: Too many Questions you won't answer like: Is it True Dhulkhanein found the sun setting in the murky waters? Is it true that a man's Semen come from his backbone and that the women's reproductive fluids come from her rib cage? Is it true Allah says a Muslim can marry and divorce a female who has not yet menstruated?
Even though the answers are simple and direct, you would not respond in the next 100 posts. It has nothing to do with the 'stupidity' of the question but escape from the embarrassment the true answer represent.
FxMasterz: Haba! I didn't see any form of forgery on that thread. You simply paraphrased his entire position about the topic in few words. That isn't forgery since you never attribute the statement to him. What you attributed to his was the claim which was truly his position. If he says that wasn't his position, then, it means he's saying your assertion was correct. And that's when you could have been guilty of falsely alleging legalwolf; you wouldn't even still be guilty of forgery in that case. I've pointed his own case to him, which was clear forgery. He quoted advocatejare, edited what advocatejare said in that quote to make it look as if it was advocatejare's direct statement. That's forgery for which no one has called him a potential thief. See, I don't know how one can be serving the true God and be comfortable insulting people endlessly everyday. What type of God is producing such volumes of insults and slander from one person endlessly. I think only Allah can do that. I find it difficult to even reply his insults because the Spirit of God in me wouldn't allow me to behave like a child of the devil. Most times when legalwolf insults, he's the one who deserves the insults for misreading or misinterpreting what was said to him, yet, he would insult you on the basis of what you never said or did.
LegalWolf: LOL! Saying I did not answer that question is dishonest as I clearly adopted the answer adopted by someone else. Anyways, we agree that Jesus was human (whether in part or in full, right), Right? That lends support to my argument that Salvation = Human Sacrifice
I literally forced you to adopt AntiChristians statement, you never said it was your own position.
You've still not answered this Question If Jesus is the Word from Allah AND a Spirit from Allah When Jesus became Human, did He stop being both the Word and Spirit from Allah? Would it be Wrong Also that (according to you) Salvation = Sacrifice of the Word from Allah AND Sacrifice of the Spirit from Allah ?
LOL!
LegalWolf: Lol, I have more important things to do than to start digging for your old posts. As far as I’m concerned, mention any Muslim and I’ll call by your nature o!
Even if you hold a slaughter knife on my neck, I will mention WHOEVER I will.
LegalWolf: If it is not fabrication, please quote a single strand of evidence to support it? Just one!
Like I said:
If your underlined is what you call fabrications, too bad!
If you think its a fabrication, bring your evidence, because youll have a lot of questions to answer as per WHY the companions assumed Mohammed took the red velvet cloth.
LegalWolf: I think you’ve forgotten I proceeded with my assumption (which YOU AGREED TO). Let me remind you: I said that you and I know that Yehoshua wasn’t excreted neither was he vomited. He came out from the vagina. This was my point which YOU TENQ agreed to.
It would have been a question of debate if you said Yehoshua was vomited or excreted. But you did not as YOU agreed to the only possible manner in which he was birthed. So what’s the basis of your questions
So, it is okay with you to read between the lines with the birth of Jesus!? I need a single reference from Christian literatures.
How do you know that Jesus wasn't excreted nor vomited? Did ANY christian literature discuss this? Your evidence sir! Were you just fabricating statements that Jesus came out of a vagina?
LegalWolf: Now who is the judge in this context? And who told you that you cannot refuse to respond to irrelevant points or issues in law? Was it your rapist-defending lawyer friend? Or stray advocatejare?
Anyways, I have the unfettered right to cherry-pick which questions that are relevant and which that are not and I wouldn’t spend my time arguing. On some occasions, I’ll ask you to tell me why you think the question is relevant and you’ll be mute.
So if we are debating and you think a question is relevant and I think otherwise, please convince me of its relevancy. Otherwise fa fa fa…. Foul!
Lastly, would you sleep better at night if you think your questions ‘exposes the weakness of my belief’? Because, if that’ll make you sleep better or increase your account balance, please let me know o
In a debate of this nature, if everyone decides to ignore RESPONSE to legitimate questions then it is as good as there was no debate in the first place.
This is why in the court of law the JUDGE moderates by compelling the Accused or Respondent to ANSWER a question thrown to them by the Advocates of the respective sides of the case. It is NOT up to you to decide the Questions you should respond to just as it is not up to me to decide which question you post that I should respond to.
Even in the court of law, one of the reasons why objections is made to responding to some questions is because the answer may be damaging to the case. It is the Judge's duty to ascertain if the question is valuable to the case or not.
LIKE I SAID: Too many Questions you won't answer like: Is it True Dhulkhanein found the sun setting in the murky waters? Is it true that a man's Semen come from his backbone and that the women's reproductive fluids come from her rib cage? Is it true Allah says a Muslim can marry and divorce a female who has not yet menstruated?
Even though the answers are simple and direct, you would not respond in the next 100 posts. It has nothing to do with the 'stupidity' of the question but escape from the embarrassment the true answer represent.
LegalWolf: LOL! I will be very brief in my response to your posts/allegations. When I posed a question to you that Yehoshua proceeded from his mother's vagina, do you remeber your response?
It goes like this 'Of course, ALL humans come of from their mother's Farjah' Impliedly, you have told us that Jesus was human. Now its surprising that your changing your view on the same subject. Anyways, the Gospel of Matthew and Luke provided us with two irreconcialable geneologies of Jesus.
Pray, I beseech thee, that it is Spirit that have geneologies?
Have you never heard Christians say that Jesus was Fully God as He was Fully Man? That was why I asked you the (still unanswered question): When Jubril came as a perfectly formed Man to Mary, was he an Angel or a Man?
LegalWolf: That you see some men forcefully have their way with women is no reason for you to do same. What is wrong is wrong. I have read your posts a lot (before deciding it's worth my serious attention) and I could see where some people clearly expressed displeasure in you mentioning them (either through questions or what not). TenQ please don't play dumb. And you still go ahead to mention them again in YOUR next posts! It doesn't make sense.
Off the top of my head, I remember you wrote a thread on Jehovah Witnesses? Why don't you mention every christian you've engaged or even JW's you know?
Anyways, it is impossible for me to stop my usual jabs. In fact, I find it difficult seeing you in another perspective from what I know you. So don't be surprised in my response when I call you a potential thief or TenQnih or any of those names.
PS: I reckon I saw your other comment on SC Judgment. You are not just someone I can have such conversations with, my sincere apologies!
JW are on the general Religious section of Nairaland: whether you invite them or not, they will respond in full force.
I wish you could give me example of one person who says I shouldn't mention them and I did. LOL! Even then, Nairaland is a FACELESS FORUM and thus is a free space and ANYONE including me can be mention by ANYBODY: It is NOT compulsory to respond to ANY mention. Anyone who doesn't want to be mentioned should not be on Nairaland.
Do you ASK for people permission to mention them on Nairaland?
If you Muslims have not requested for your own separate section where people like me would first have to swear allegiance to Mohammed and Allah, there would be no iota of reason to specially mention a collection of Muslims. Until, that changes, I will continue to mention you o!
LegalWolf: I have gone through the posts and I can clearly see my rebuttal. So there is no reason for me to repeat myself. Mind you, I can go ahead and least at least 10 instances you invented stories or fabricated non-existent things (without evidence) in order to push your narrative. Is it here:
(underlined mine)
Just the first two paragraphs of a post ooo, and I can point to at least three fabrications. Outright lies that you know within you to be false. I have not run through other similar posts. And you tell me I slander you? Really?
If your underlined is what you call fabrications, too bad! BUT Even you know too well that this is NOT a fabrication of any of your islamic literatures.
Let me find you one of your quotes
When I posed a question to you that Yehoshua proceeded from his mother's vagina, do you remember your response?
Can you show me a SINGLE christian literature that said the underlined? Will you consider this a Fabrication?
LegalWolf: Let me answer your question, I only answer questions that are relevant and logical. And I bet you do the same. I asked you that in place of salvation, would yhwh take cassava, garri, or agbado and you never responded till now. And I have asked you so many questions that are off-topic that you clearly deviated from (including your rapist-defending lawyer friend). That is the way I see your question.
What claim exactly cannot stand inquisition? I'm curious! And hope you know that because you answer questions does not necessarily mean your answers are valid in reason or logic. I can go ahead and list countless instances of where you provided answers that are just plain stupid (my apologies as I do not mean to be rude). We've seen people attempting ALL the questions in an exam and still failing, or haven't we?
PS: I did not intend to write this long, but pardon my overly long write-up
I think with the underlined, you have a very LAME excuse to escape ANSWERING Questions that expose the weakness of your belief? You have no right to selectively determine what you consider as even in the court of law objections to a question being asked can only be allowed or overruled by the Arbitrator or Judge.
To a very large extent, I answer all your questions except if missed it or it got buried in multitudes of texts UNLIKE you.
If you want the Question of Agbado or Cassava be answered, the answer is CAPITAL NO!
Even if my answers to you seem stupid, at least I did not DODGE answering in order to ESCAPE facing the conclusion.
Too many Questions you won't answer like: Is it True Dhulkhanein found the sun setting in the murky waters? Is it true that a man's Semen come from his backbone and that the women's reproductive fluids come from her rib cage? Is it true Allah says a Muslim can marry and divorce a female who has not yet menstruated? Even though the answers are simple and direct, you would not respond in the next 100 posts. It has nothing to do with the 'stupidity' of the question but escape from the embarrassment the true answer represent.
Never in a million years would I assume remotely that TenQ would come to this point. Nah. This is interesting!
💯 Endorsed!
Very Good to hear that.
LegalWolf: But just to clarify - it’s more fun for me than actually fighting you. Like what’s there to gain?
I’m still curious on why you had a change of mind. Nevertheless, and in addition to what you wrote, I think Salvation in Christianity is nothing other than human sacrifice - a proposition that annoys the very fibre of my being!
You want to know why? By nature I am not the Caustic type: unfortunately, you brought out that which is alien to my nature. You can check throughout my posts to ANYONE on Nairaland if we trade words like with you.
If Jesus was just a human being, then, you'll be correct that it is human sacrifice: but Jesus is NOT human.
If Jesus is a Spirit from Allah and a Word from Allah, did he stop being both Word and Spirit when He became a Man? I think it is you Muslims who cannot explain WHY Jesus was an ENIGMA. Once you understand the Why, Salvation is at your doorstep!
LegalWolf: With respect to my purpose, I think I must have told you countless times. I’m not on Nairaland to convert Christians. In fact, you are the ONLY HUMAN I majorly discuss matters of faith with. My posts are mostly political, academic or cultural.
What I do seek to achieve on religious section is: - to fault YOUR logic [and in extension Christianity) to those discerning AND - make you have a feel of your harassment.
I have no issues with you writing any post on Islam based on your hallucinations BUT mentioning ANY Muslim to that post is where I draw the line.
Unfortunately, there is no way I will write a post on Islam without mentioning a few Muslims on NL: impossible.
Isn't it a free world? 90% of Muslims invited to the thread do not show up. It's okay as nothing is by force. At least they've read my objection or question about Islam.
I've also been called into threads when the OP feel that I should have something to say about the topic. Hence, don't be surprised in my next post where I will still invite my usual circle of invitees (including you)
LegalWolf: That does not mean if you mention me, I won’t heed your call. I promise I will ALWAYS answer till I die, to the extent I have time.
Cool!
LegalWolf: Of course! In addition, we can be debate on opposing sides without the need to tell DELIBERATE FALSEHOOD, INVENT STORIES, FABRICATE STATEMENTS AND ATTRIBUTE IT TO OTHERS, OR CLEARLY MISREPRESENTING UNAMBIGUOUS TEXTS OF SCRIPTURES!
This was entirely your fabrication and you started it all by your deliberate slanders and character assassination. You can check out our first engagement to confirm.
LegalWolf: Hissplendor and I once ended on this note. It’s been fun for me actually and one part of me is sad that this chapter of mine is drawing to an end.
Anyways, I sincerely pray you know Islam - the beauty of the religion, magnificence of the Almighty and simplicity of the Prophet’s message. Your life would take a radical turn for good if you’re fortunate to encounter that in your life.
Salaam alaikum!
You know I told you that I nearly recited the shahada some years ago. When a person sincerely questions the claims of Islam, the truth of the matter is that the CLAIMS break down. I noticed very early on that Islam accepts most things from Christianity BUT rejects ANYTHING that has to do with Salvation. This is especially disturbing!
Do you know why as Muslims you DODGE and AVOID answering many Questions? I think you know that answering those questions EXPOSE the fundamental flaws in the CLAIMS of Islam as a Religion. Your AVOIDANCE is just strategies of PROTECTING Islam.
Do you agree with me that: If ANY CLAIM cannot stand INQUISITION by Speaking the TRUTH, they must be based on Fallacies
FxMasterz: What you claimed TenQ did to you, you did same to advocatejare, did he call you a thief because of that? You're simply bearing a fruit that tells us so much about your roots.
You may please check out this correspondence for your information of what your friend (even when he knows the truth, decided on a path of slander,) called a "FORGE" .
LegalWolf: Lol, I should “ Describe how YOU would have blown INTO it without touching it.”?
Insanity!
Okay LegalWolf, Enough of fighting each other .
Agreed as per the issue of Religion and Faith, we are immiscible. However, this shouldn't be a fight to promote hatred and bitterness amongst eac other.
I TenQ, without any iota of doubt believe in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ as the ONLY way to Salvation AND that Islam as a religion is set up to directly counter the way of Salvation. My purpose is to expose Islam for what it is to both Christians and Muslims this opening your eyes to guaranteeing your place in paradise.
On the other hand,
You LegalWolf, without any iota of doubt believe that Islam through the shahada is the only way to salvation AND that Christians have strayed away from the path of true faith. I may not be able to say exactly what your purpose is except probably to convert as many Christians as possible to Islam.
We can both be on opposite sides of the fence while debating INTELLECTUALLY, LOGICALLY and FACTUALLY on positions we both hold differently.
At the End of the day, let the TRUTH prevail.
This being said: I pray for you to know why JESUS is an Enigma amongst all living being. WHY!? Once you know why Jesus has all His attributes, Salvation becomes yours!
LegalWolf: So what your “intelligent” brain tells u is blowing = putting mouth on? If I blow air into your eye, I’m putting my mouth on your eye ehn, potential thief Lawrence Aninih, Oh TenQnih 😝
How can one blow INTO it without putting mouth on it. After all, it is not about blowing ON it
LegalWolf: Concede? 'putting his mouth on...' . Where was that said potential thief . [size=8pt][/size]D ....m Modified: Potential Thief TenQ for y b...mmour attention
If it wasn't Jubril that put his mouth in the Farjah of Mary to blow inside it, who did? Allah said "we blew into..." I have assumed like other Muslims that Jubril carried out the order of Allah and it wasn't Allah that came down to do the blowing UNTIL you were proving yourself wise at asking a deceitful question.
Did Jubril do the blowing or was it Allah himself that did it?
Probably yhwh. Since he rests and wrestles like man... what stops him from copulating and having orgasm?
PS: All your emotional blackmail and attempt to stop me from calling you a potential is doomed to fail. I have engaged several christians on Nairaland and offline, none of them is a pathetic and senile liar like you. As long as you live, I will call you a future thief. And is it mudslinging calling you by your essence - a potential thief destined to rob?
And nothing you've said is relevant!
We see Allah (according to you not Jubril) putting his mouth on Mary's Farjah for MouthAction in order to impregnate her.
Until you learn to converse in a civil manner, I am going to be your nemesis by painting the PICTURE until it burns in your brain!
If you want to know, Jesus was born not by CS but by normal birth though Mary's Farjah!
LegalWolf: But FxMasterz brought it up and you did try to deflect the question didn't you? Your cry is music to my hears! LOL
Here is what I said:
the same way the Bible is imperfect so also every human being (including the translators of the Quran).
LOL! It is insanity at this point. So Quran = Human being (including its translators from Arabic to other languages)? Ehn Potential Thief?
What exactly are you trying to say here? Where are you coming from, where are you goint to?
Again, your sanity has taken the front drive....What is the issue? Did your Yehoshua come out from the vagina of a woman?
Let me even ask you a scientific and common sense question ?
1. What makes the Vagina IMPURE? 2. When Allah moulded Adam from Mud according to the Qur'an , did he touch the penis and vagina of the creatures? 3. Does that make Allah impure?
Did you come out from the VJ of a woman? And this made you impure!?
If Jesus was the Word from Allah and a spirit from him according to the Qur'an, did He become UNHOLY after he was Born?
However, it is unfathomable that a so called Allah is (according to you) putting his mouth on the Farjah of a woman in performing MouthAction to impregnate her!
Tell me, who had orgasm first ? Mary or Allah? Like I said: Until you learn to be civil, you deserve no iota of mercy!
I discuss with other Muslims here on NL and it doesn't degenerate to mudslinging!
a. The Bible is imperfect. Just to take it a nudge further from what we both agree on, the Bible is manifestly, inherently and grossly imperfect.
b. Point to any statement of mine that logically supports this 'You are saying in other words that that you believe the Qur'an is ALSO imperfect!? . Pray, I beseech thee, just one!
LOL!
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Your question is irrelevant. That has no basis to this conversation. [Even if it does, there is no evidence of Allah changing his form or shape. But what I do know is that yhwh changed his shape in order to wrestle with a human. Guess what: his own creation probably beat him blue black. Boxed his mouth with tough punches that he had to flee. yhwh ran like a thief at night. Walahi, I am not making this up. See Genesis 32: 24 - 26]
The point has been made, which you agree that:
1. Yehoshua that you worship came from a woman's vagina. . Again, let me put it in capital letter and highlight so you can see it very clearly, YEHOSHUA WHO YOU WORSHIP PROCEEDED FROM MARY'S VAGINA . So, what is wrong if the spirit through which he was formed pass through the same route that YOU ACKNOWLEDGE that he came from?
2. That the text of our Quran never made any reference to Jubril (whether in human or angelic form) blowing any spirit to Mary. Assuming he does, on a personal note, I see no problem (but that is irrelevant because we are discussing the text not what I did not see)
So that ends the conversation on your question and we should not be caught straying like the stray advocatejare. That's beneath me. And thank you again for you post re-affirming that the message of the gospel is nothing but human sacrifice.
Cheers and have a beautiful day hahahaha Lol
I never discussed with you about the perfection or imperfection of the bible. It was you that brought it up. Secondly, you said:
LegalWolf: Lol Of course, the same way the Bible is imperfect so also every human being (including the translators of the Quran). Go check preface to some of their editions, some acknowledge their imperfection. So that’s fine.
What does the highlighted mean other than what I re-echoed?
TenQ: You are saying in other words that that you believe the Qur'an is ALSO imperfect!?
Unfortunately for you, your Thief, Lying and Schizophrenic Criminal you adopted as a prophet totally disagree with you.
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4434 Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar: A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school. They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.
I can understand that Allah is so afraid of the toilet that he abandons you to the hands of satan anytime you are pressed.
You seem to forget that anything that God touches becomes Holy, hence there is no reason to say anything more on this.
HOWEVER, We see Allah (according to you not Jubril) putting his mouth on Mary's Farjah for MouthAction in order to impregnate her.
Or maybe anything Allah put his mouth inside become holy: then he would have no sin.
MaxInDHouse: According to the inspiration God gave the prophets and Jesus' actions it's not right to pray for or with anyone who refuses to agree on doctrines with the worshipers of the Bible God! Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14; John 17:8-9
If you're praying for everyone i know you're just doing it ignorantly but it irritates the worshipers of the Bible God when you do such in the name of God's son who never taught his disciples like that, well let's just say you don't know so go now and stop doing that because from this very moment the heavens will count it against you as sin against God's Holy Spirit after seeing it with your own eyes that even Jesus won't do what God forbids regarding prayers! Matthew 5:17
As long as we disagree on doctrinal matters praying with you or for you is detestable to my own God! Proverbs 28:9
So keep your prayers for your brethren like oteneaaron and others that you always disagree on doctrines! Luke 11:23
Sorry sir! Check the parable of the good Samaritan: he didn't need to know the one that was robbed to act
Of course, you are free to reject any prayer isn't it?
After arguing blindly for weeks on letters that you don't know it's interpretation you ended up calling an atheist your brother then pray for your faithless brother in Jesus name!
Even Jesus refused to pray for those who don't believe in him:
"For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world" John 17:8-9 compare to Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14
Lukuluku69: No, the "answer" to your question will lead to more confusion. And I will tell you why. Ask Scientists that has there been a day that the Sun never give it's Light for 24 hours? They will tell you No. But admit that it is possible that Clouds in a particular place or area can blot out the Sun Light.
So, as you can see, your suppositions, conjectures, and stupid posers will confuse you the more.
And you think that the power of Allah will not be able to sustain lives when the sun obeys him!? You have forgotten that Jonah was in the belly of a fish for three days and he didn't die? Have you forgotten the narration of the seven sleepers in the Qur'an (Surah Al-Kahf)? So, what confusion can be if it was Allah that ordained a thing!?
Lukuluku69: When Allah say Kun fa ya translated Be! The Quran says they come (Creations) will do so willingly or unwillingly. That is my stand. And if your stand is to manufacture posers, meaningless ones from your confused soul, go right ahead.
No one is disputing whether Kufayakun is a CREATIVE force of Command or not. We are examining if the Power of KUFAYAKUN of God is still at work or ceased, hence the question. Or has the kufayakun of Allah ceased operation?
You definitely know that the answer to the questions permanently clarify the issue.
AGAIN! 1. If God instructs the sun to withhold it's light from the earth for the next 24Hours, does this fall under the canopy of KUFAYAKUN? Or Kufayakun is only for Creation!?
2. Are you saying that the command of Allah is NOT the Will of Allah?
LegalWolf: Lol Of course, the same way the Bible is imperfect so also every human being (including the translators of the Quran). Go check preface to some of their editions, some acknowledge their imperfection. So that’s fine.
You are saying in other words that that you believe the Qur'an is ALSO imperfect!?
Your Imam must not hear that from you o! LOL!!
LegalWolf: Lol, you were not quoting directly any of the translators potential thief. Pray tell me EXACTLY which of them you quoted that translated the verse the way you did?
Muslims with changing NARRATIVES so that they can fight the resulting STRAWMAN! LOL!
I said: But do you think these translators are Liars? (Because you accused me of stating exactly their conclusion)
BUT, You had to turn their conclusion into quote just so that you can turn around and ask me provide evidence of the non-existent quotes.
Alhaji LegalWolf, it's a new year o! LOL!!
LegalWolf: Lol, you and I know Yehoshua was not excreted, or was he? Neither was he vomited, am I wrong?
your God came out of the vagina of Mary Again, to repeat, Yehoshua came out of Mary’s vagina. If he could come out from there, what stops the spirit through which he was formed going through there?
Ehn potential thief
Of course, ALL humans come of from their mother's Farjah BUT not all adult humans put their mouth on the Farjah of women. If it happens, it is called MouthAction!
Let me ask you a question: Is it beneath Allah to change his shape for humans to see?
Lukuluku69: Bros, go and rest with all these suppositions of yours. It is not my business and will never be. If God decide tomorrow to ask the Moon to take over the work of the Sun, dat one nah God business. He does as He wills. Not my business. And if you think bringing up suppositions to explain your confusion is your thing, open threads you will find your types on Nairaland and you can discuss.
As for me, I am not in the business of conjectures, wild goose chase and all that.
If you need to ask a question, do so from the Books and not from your confused soul.
Why the FEAR!?
You definitely know that the answer to the questions permanently clarify the issue.
AGAIN! 1. If God instructs the sun to withhold it's light from the earth for the next 24Hours, does this fall under the canopy of KUFAYAKUN? Or Kufayakun is only for Creation!?
2. Are you saying that the command of Allah is NOT the Will of Allah?