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Ekiti1:
In addition, a lot of sensors were unplugged and needs to be replugged back.
The car is seeing that the engine is cold hence its dumping fuel.
Lots of sensors starting from the radiator sensor (below the radiator and other ones are missing from your diagnosis.

BlindAngel:
My 2013 Camry is consuming excessive fuel, it's been more than a year since i bought it, and i have been suffering heavily ever since then, i spend nothing less than 100k a week on fuel alone, i don't drive long distance or drive much or have heavy foot.


The car is consuming fuel excessively, this car drink fuel like water, the car fuel consumption is something else and I'm so tired, it's a 2013 camry.


Firstly, i initially thought it was the wheel and tyres because the car came with 20 inch tyres and wheels, because i read here on nairaland that bigger tyres/wheels affect fuel consumption, so i bought and changed all 4 wheels and tyres, the car is a fuel guzzler, i have bought new catalyst for 305k, changed oxygen sensor, check for leaks, all 4 coils and all 4 spark plugs, yet the fuel consumption still remain the same. The car normally takes me 41km for 20 liters of fuel.

So i decide to scan the car today for codes and these are the codes below that I got from the scanner.

adenigga:
Source: https://dailypost.ng/2026/09/16/we-would-have-achieved-more-if-islamic-scholars-preached-to-bandits-gumi

franchasng:
In economics and trade, we have what is called the supply chain management and model. This ensures healthy trading and balanced economy.

Who makes up the supply chain?

1.) Manufacturer

2.) Distributor(s)

3.) Wholesalers

4.) Retailers

5.) Consumers

The manufacturer sources for raw materials and converts it into finished goods that consumers need.

Distributors help manufacturers to distribute their finished products to the market through wholesalers.

Wholesalers help distributors to reach the market through retail traders.

Retail traders help the wholesalers to sell faster and conveniently to the final consumers. This is how trading supply chain is designed to function to ensure a balanced economy and society.

In order words, you cannot be the manufacturer and still be the retailers selling directly to final consumers, that is a trading deficiency or abnormality that starves off other vital people on the supply chain and can lead to collapse of the economy of a society, that is why it is not encouraged by any working society and the only person that can stop or correct this mistake is the government through adequate trade laws and market policies to ensure balanced and healthy economy of its society.

So if we are to be real and honest to ourselves, citizens of countries that manufacture and produce what another country consumes like the Chinese, are not supposed to be allowed to operate retail trading shops in the countries they export their finished products to, it's a simple economics designed to keep national and global economy and trade balanced.

That is why in our secondary school economics, we were taught about supply chain, which flows from the manufacturer to the distributors to the wholesalers to the retailers to the consumers. These are all vital people on the supply chain that must not be discarded or allowed to be starved off through unhealthy trading activities.

You cannot be the manufacturer and still be the retailer, that is a trading policy abuse, it will squeeze out the other vital people on the supply chain and cause a skewed economy that will affect the society by making one person super rich and the rest extremely poor and dependent but our people are seeing this only from the tribal angle without seeing the bigger issue.

honesttalk21:
Recycling your opening post doesn't undo the answers already on record. Mercy to mankind, mercy in guidance toward truth, not an obligation to justify every means to your satisfaction. Sign for those who reflect, not proof for skeptics, ascension, virgin birth, and the clay bird are matters of revealed testimony, the same category your own resurrection accounts rest on. His will isn't undone by human misreading, misunderstanding, or conviction to be rebellious.
Q42:15: there is no argument between us and you. This ends here.

honesttalk21:
Remember even the name "Christian" wasn't given by Christ, it was coined by disbelieving critics in Antioch, a city of the empire that built a faith on a crucifixion that didn't actually occur, alas it's the foundation Paul holds as the point without which your actions are in vain, as though it were his to determine, not the Almighty's. A large following was never proof against eternal consequence, and forcing that binary onto Him won't change that.

doffman:
You are unbeliever nah and you have confirmed it that your destination is hell fire 🔥 straight unless u repent.

Pele guy

doffman:
Trash 🚮
Kininwi .

Even you self do not understand what you wrote.

Ani seh , your Christianity is eyibo and Paul religion nah .they founded it for you nah

doffman:
Now that you have been casted .

When are you dumping your fake religion ?

doffman:
All those you mentioned are not way of worships; they are necessity that does not violate religion . All culture and necessity are allowed unless forbidden by shariah. Come and learn 🤣

We have our way of life starting from eating, bathing, worshipping and etc .


Your religion does not have direction it was founded by Paul and propagated by those who enslave you ; white people .

Ani seh , who asked you to do white wedding ?

Who asked you to dance and clap in church nah
Shioor

Even Jesus doesn’t know anything about your fake religion. Lobatan

Christianity don cast seh .

honesttalk21:
TenQ, notice what you did with this post before we even get to the analogy. You quoted me saying the chain from unique signs to Christian misunderstanding to divine failure is unproven, and asking you to establish it. Then instead of establishing it, you pivoted to Nigeria and closed with "Allah knows best and shut up." You quoted the challenge and walked around it rather than answering it.

The analogy itself is built wrong for what actually happened. It only works if my answer had been a non-answer, a description standing in for a name. That's not this exchange. I named the reason, sign and mercy at 19:21, permission at 3:49 and 5:110, the Adam parallel at 3:59, and you rejected the reason because it wasn't the conclusion you wanted. Your version would need to read, "I asked who the president is, you gave me a name, and I said that's not the president I meant," for it to actually map onto what happened here.

That's also where your six-questions claim breaks down. What purpose does Islam give for Jesus' attributes is answered, directly, from the text. Why Allah chose these particular signs over others is a different question, an exhaustive-explanation demand, not a request for a purpose, and you keep sliding between the two and calling the first one empty when the second isn't supplied.

So here's what's still on you.

Prove Allah intended these signs to produce the later Christian doctrines, and that their emergence constitutes divine failure.

That's the premise the whole "Allah's purpose backfired" claim rests on, and quoting my challenge isn't the same as meeting it.

TenQ:
The problem with you both is that the very foundation of everything you have believed is based on Falsehoods.

One thing is that every lie requires several lies to sustain it. But God so good, lies are never ironclad: poke it with a little question, the lies begin to fragment.

Such is the dilemma you find yourself!


Note:
Every LIE is a mixture of TRUTH and Deliberate FALSEHOOD.

Unfortunately, you cannot reason by yourself because you have been told not to reason but accept everything they told you as fact.

OTHERWISE, TELL ME
1. Why did Allah call Jesus his Word and a Spirit from him ?
2. Why was Jesus born without a human father?
3. Why was Jesus the only co-creator of Life asides Allah?
4. Why is Jesus alive without death with Allah in Paradise?
5. Why was Jesus born from a Virgin?
6. Why is it that Jesus knows what people eat and hide in their house?



Was this a MISTAKE by Allah?
What was Allah trying to achieve?
Was Allah's purpose ACHIEVED or did this BACKFIRE?

honesttalk21:
TenQ, the record shows that you have been well answered, but you keep moving the goalposts because the answers given have not produced whatever conclusion you actually want.

You first presented six questions about Jesus. They were answered. You then said those were NOT the questions and shifted the demand from WHAT Islam teaches to WHY Allah chose these particular attributes. That was answered too with Qur’an 19:21 calls Jesus a sign and mercy; 3:49 and 5:110 describe his miracles as signs by Allah’s permission; 3:59 compares his extraordinary creation with Adam.

You may reject those answers, but rejection is not absence of an answer.

Your argument still requires an unproved chain connecting your prepositions that Allah gave Jesus unique signs then Christians later misunderstood them therefore Allah made a mistake or His purpose backfired. You have established none of those links. I have asked you to specifically address and show this but you haven't.

Likewise, your witness requirement is your own evidentiary standard, not proof that the Qur’an has no explanation. Permission and ability are distinct, but the Qur’an repeatedly attributes Jesus’ miracles to Allah’s permission. Spirit from Allah does not establish divinity either, since Allah also says He breathed of His Spirit into Adam (15:29; 32:9).

So the issue is no longer six unanswered questions. They have been addressed repeatedly. The issue is that you keep changing what counts as an acceptable answer. If you have a specific conclusion you are trying to establish, state it plainly and defend the missing premises instead of repeatedly declaring the answers inadequate.

dofman:
You mean your religion with 100 percent western ways of life 🤣🤣
Does Jesus wear coats and trouser and tie ?
Does Jesus did white weeding
Does Jesus dances and clap in the church . M
Shioor . Tuehhh 🤣

honesttalk21:
Realised your chronological mistake at trying to project your feeling unto me; tell me that was actually an apology. Obviously not as you continue unjustified arguments.

13. Now let's return to your actual WHY? question.
You repeatedly say you are not proving the divinity of Christ, only asking why Allah did this. Fine. Here is the Islamic answer. Allah made Jesus uniquely extraordinary as a sign. The Qur'an presents Jesus' extraordinary birth and miracles as signs of Allah's power and as part of his prophetic/Messianic mission. He honoured him as the Messiah, supported him with miracles, gave him revelation, and made his miraculous birth and mission signs of Allah's power. His uniqueness was not meaningless. His miracles were not meaningless. His birth was not meaningless. His status was not meaningless. But none of that requires the messenger himself to become the object of worship. The Qur'an gives Jesus' own message. Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path (3:51). Your Bible has him stating in confirmation the Lord God is one as the greatest commandment in Mark 12:29. The miracle points to the Lord. The messenger points to the Sender. The sign points to the One who gave the sign. The Qur'an does not claim that every individual feature of Jesus' uniqueness has a separately stated ultimate rationale; where it gives a purpose, we can state it, and where it does not, we should not invent one.

honesttalk21:
14. Your Job analogy actually establishes a more limited point than you think. It shows that a divine action can have a purpose without every aspect of that purpose being exhaustively disclosed to human beings. Job itself contains explanations for his suffering, but it does not provide Job with an exhaustive account of divine wisdom. Likewise, Romans 9:20-21 uses the potter-and-clay analogy to emphasize God's sovereignty rather than an obligation to explain every decision. So the Bible itself does not establish your proposed rule that if God does something, Scripture must disclose the complete underlying reason. Therefore, demanding an exhaustive explanation for every feature of Jesus' uniqueness is a standard you still have to justify. And the Qur'an does provide explanations where Allah chooses to provide them; sign and mercy, signs by Allah's permission, connection to revelation and guidance, and the ultimate message of tawhid. The absence of an exhaustive philosophical explanation for every detail does not constitute a contradiction.

honesttalk21:
15. Your Allah caused the problem that made half the world Christian premise is also unproven. Can say where the Jesus you base your why questions said his followers should be called Christians or the faith Christianity?
This is perhaps the most important issue. You say Allah caused the problem that made half the world Christian. But where does Islam say Allah caused Christianity as a false theological system? It doesn't. Where does the Qur'an say Allah intended Jesus' signs to produce the doctrine of Trinity or incarnation? It doesn't. Where does the Qur'an say Allah created an error and then discovered six centuries later that He needed Muhammad to repair His mistake? It doesn't.

You have constructed that causal chain yourself: Jesus was extraordinary, therefore Christianity developed, therefore Allah's action produced Christianity, therefore Allah's plan backfired, therefore Islam must explain why Allah made a mistake. But the first step does not establish the second. A historical sequence is not automatically a causal explanation. Six hundred years is a period of history, not evidence of divine incompetence.

Free will also matters here. Allah gave Jesus extraordinary signs, and He did not guarantee how every observer would respond to them. A sign is only a sign if people are free to interpret it correctly or incorrectly; that freedom is what makes faith a test rather than compulsion. 4:171 explicitly warns against the very error some later made; do not commit excess in your religion... The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah. That some communities exalted the sign instead of the One who sent it does not mean Allah's plan malfunctioned. It means the test was real, and not everyone passed it.

honesttalk21:
16. Why didn't Allah clarify it earlier?
Islam's answer is that Allah sent many prophets and revelations throughout history. Islam does not claim Muhammad pbuh came to introduce a God unrelated to Abraham, Moses or Jesus. It claims continuity. The Qur'an describes itself as confirming what came before while acting as a criterion over it. The Muslim claim is not that Allah abandoned humanity for six hundred years and then invented Islam. It is that Allah sent guidance repeatedly, human communities differed, and the final revelation came with Muhammad pbuh. You can reject that claim, but you cannot refute it simply by asking why Allah didn't do it differently. That is a question about the wisdom of God's chosen timeline, not a logical contradiction in the doctrine.

honesttalk21:
17. Your Islam copied Judaism and Christianity argument proves nothing by itself.

Islam openly claims continuity with the earlier prophets. So similarities are exactly what the Islamic worldview predicts. If a later revelation claims Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad all came from the same God, then finding Moses and Jesus in the Qur'an is not evidence of copying by itself. The real question is whether the Qur'an accurately preserves and corrects the original prophetic message, or merely borrows later religious traditions. That is a historical and theological question. It cannot be settled by pointing to similarity.

honesttalk21:
18. The Solomon accusation requires more than resemblance.

As already noted, the sources you named postdate the Qur'an by centuries. If you want to argue dependence in the other direction, or on some earlier common source, that's a claim you'd need to substantiate; not one you can assume.

honesttalk21:
19. About your witness argument. You say a miracle must have evidence witnessed by people. Agreed. But neither you nor I personally witnessed the miracles of Jesus, Moses, Balaam's donkey, or Solomon's extraordinary events. The historical question is whether testimony can transmit knowledge about events we did not personally observe. If your standard requires contemporary witnesses you can interrogate today, that standard eliminates most of ancient history, including the events Christian theology itself depends on. The real question is what evidence exists, how early it is, how independent it is, and what exactly it establishes.

honesttalk21:
20. Distinguishing what a miracle proves.
We must distinguish between evidence that Jesus performed a miracle and evidence that Jesus is God. A miracle can establish that God acted. It does not automatically establish that the human being through whom the miracle occurred is God. Balaam's donkey demonstrates this. God causes the donkey to speak, and the donkey does not become God. The miracle's occurrence and the agent's ontological identity are separate questions.

honesttalk21:
21. Consider Adam again
Adam had no father, no mother, direct creation by Allah, extraordinary honour, knowledge specially given by Allah, and Qur'anic language describing Allah breathing into him of His Spirit. Yet Adam is not Allah. So the question is not is Jesus different but what specific property possessed by Jesus necessarily establishes divinity, and where does Scripture demonstrate that it entails divine nature? That is the missing step.

honesttalk21:
22. Unique and greatest are not synonyms. A prophet can possess characteristics no other prophet possesses without being divine. Saying Muhammad pbuh has a unique final role does not require every other prophet to be identical to him. The Qur'an itself says those messengers, some of them We caused to exceed others (2:253). Uniqueness is compatible with prophethood; it is not a theological problem.

honesttalk21:
23. The accusation that Muslims are afraid to find the truth proves nothing.
That is not an argument, it is a psychological accusation. It does not establish whether Islam is true or false. The truth of a proposition is determined by evidence and argument, not speculation about the psychology of its followers.

honesttalk21:
24. Your adequate answer standard needs to be defined. If the only acceptable answer is one that concludes therefore Jesus is divine, you have inserted Christianity into the grading rubric rather than created a neutral test. The real test is whether Islam's explanation is coherent with the Qur'an and its own theology. It is. You may disagree with that theology, but you cannot call it no explanation.

honesttalk21:
25. The fundamental question put back to you. If you are genuinely asking only about purpose, Islam has answered it. If your argument is actually intended to establish Jesus' divinity, the burden of proof changes; you must demonstrate why each of these properties entails divine nature, and above all, where the explicit theological rule is that connects them to divine identity.

honesttalk21:
26. The Islamic position is not Jesus isn't special. It is almost the opposite. Islam gives Jesus an extraordinarily high position in every respect you've listed. The disagreement is over what those things mean. Christianity interprets them as evidence for divine identity. Islam interprets them as evidence of extraordinary prophethood and divine power. The real debate is not whether Jesus is extraordinary, but whether his extraordinary status logically entails that he is God. You have not yet demonstrated that.

honesttalk21:
27. Your argument ultimately rests on an unproved equation. Unique, miraculous, Word, Spirit, virgin birth, special knowledge, raised by Allah none of these result to divine is self-evident. Scripture gives counterexamples, Balaam's donkey speaks and is not divine; Solomon receives extraordinary knowledge and is not divine; Adam is created extraordinarily and described in connection with Allah's Spirit and is not divine. Supernatural activity and exalted language do not automatically establish divine ontology.

honesttalk21:
28. Returning to the six questions
Why was Jesus called a Word from Allah? Within Islam's doctrine of Allah's creative command and Jesus' special creation and mission (4:171).

honesttalk21:
Why a Spirit from Him? Extraordinary language describing his creation and honour, paralleled with Adam.

honesttalk21:
Why born without a father? An extraordinary sign of Allah's creative power (3:59).

honesttalk21:
Why the miracles? Signs by Allah's permission. Why the knowledge of hidden things? A sign granted by Allah.

honesttalk21:
Why was he raised? To honour and protect him from his enemies' plot. These are not zero answers. They are Islamic answers. You may reject them. But rejection is not refutation.

honesttalk21:
29. Your central accusation fails.
Islam is not denying Jesus' uniqueness. Islam is denying the theological inference you want to draw from it. Jesus is extraordinary, uniquely honoured, performs extraordinary signs, has an extraordinary birth, is Allah's Word and a Spirit from Him, is the Messiah; yes to all of it. None of these facts makes a created servant identical with the Creator. 3:59 gives the fundamental analogy; 3:49 and 5:110 give the key qualification, by Allah's permission; 3:51 gives the theological destination of his mission: worship Allah alone.

honesttalk21:
To be fair to your strongest point, your real objection isn't Jesus is extraordinary, therefore divine, you've said that yourself. It's why this particular combination of attributes, and isn't the explanation given too thin? That's a valid request for greater theological depth, and you're entitled to find sign, mercy, prophetic authentication insufficiently detailed for your purposes. But wanting a fuller explanation and proving Islam false are two different things. You haven't shown that the absence of an exhaustive, disclosed rationale constitutes evidence of divine error; you've shown only that you would prefer such a rationale to be given.

honesttalk21:
So I will turn your challenge around. You have demonstrated that Jesus is extraordinary, unique, performed extraordinary signs, and has a unique birth and prophetic status. Islam already agrees with all of it. The question you still have to answer is the one beneath all your questions: what is the necessary theological principle that makes Jesus' extraordinary created status proof that Jesus himself possesses the divine nature? Not why is Jesus unique, not did Jesus perform miracles, not is Jesus special — Islam says yes to all three.

The question is why extraordinary prophethood must become deity. Until that bridge is demonstrated, you have not exposed a contradiction in Islam. Jesus' greatness is not in dispute. The identity of the One who gave him that greatness is.

honesttalk21:
Contd....

5. Now your strongest point is saying Jesus creates, so I will make an explicit concession. You correctly pointed out that the word independently does not appear in 7:191 or 22:73. Fine. A Muslim should have no problem acknowledging that. There is no reason to distort the Qur'an. But I do not need that word. The Qur'an itself supplies the relevant distinction. Jesus says I will create for you from clay the form of a bird, then I will breathe into it and it will become a bird by Allah's permission. And I heal the blind and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's permission..." (3:49). And Allah repeats you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission..." (5:110). Why do you ignore or throw away the attached qualifying phrases? Isn't that an attempt at clever trickery?
So yes, Jesus performs the miracle. The Qur'an explicitly says so. But the Qur'an also explicitly says by Allah's permission and repeats that qualification. The Islamic position is not that Jesus never did anything extraordinary. It is that Jesus performed extraordinary signs by the permission and power granted to him by Allah. You cannot remove the qualification and then accuse Islam of denying the miracle. Perhaps you have a different scripture saying he did independently and ignore where Jesus says in the Bible in John 14:10 The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

6. And this is where your creation argument fails. You say the challenge was to create, and Jesus created. Yes. But your conclusion still doesn't follow. A created being can be the immediate agent of an extraordinary event without being the ultimate source of the power behind it. That principle isn't uniquely Islamic. Your own Bible provides an illustration.

honesttalk21:
7. Balaam's donkey destroys the simplistic miracle = deity principle
Numbers 22:28-30 records a donkey speaking to Balaam. That is an extraordinary supernatural event. Yet Christians do not conclude the donkey must be divine. Why not? Because you already understand the underlying theological principle; God can cause an extraordinary event through a created being without that created being becoming God.
So why does the same principle suddenly become impossible when discussing Jesus? If God causes a donkey to speak and the donkey is not God, then God granting a prophet an extraordinary miracle does not automatically make the prophet God. The miracle demonstrates divine power. It does not automatically establish the divine identity of the human instrument through whom the miracle occurs. You need an additional premise, and that premise has still not been demonstrated.

8. Solomon presents the same problem for your argument. You object to the Qur'anic account concerning Solomon. But let's be precise. 27:16 says And Solomon inherited David. He said, 'O people, we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given from all things. Indeed, this is evident bounty. Your appeal to 1 Kings 4:33 does not refute that. 1 Kings 4:33 says Solomon spoke of trees, beasts, birds, creeping things and fish. That is not identical to saying Solomon was taught the language of birds. Whatever one makes of the exact wording in 27:16 versus 1 Kings 4:33, the theological point doesn't depend on it; an extraordinary God-given ability doesn't make its recipient divine"

honesttalk21:
9. But Jesus' miracles are greater. Perhaps. But that still doesn't establish your conclusion. Suppose I grant, for argument's sake, that Jesus performed miracles more numerous and more spectacular than Solomon, Moses, or anyone else. What have you established? You have established that Jesus possesses an extraordinary prophetic status and was granted extraordinary signs. You still have not established that Jesus possesses the divine essence. Quantity does not repair a missing logical premise. If one miracle does not logically establish deity, ten miracles do not automatically establish deity either. You need to explain why this particular class of miracles entails divine nature. That is exactly what you haven't demonstrated.

honesttalk21:
10. The virgin birth does not solve the problem either.
You say Jesus' virgin birth requires an explanation. Islam gives one. Allah says concerning Mary's pregnancy, it is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. Let me ask you which is easier between insemination of a woman into conception followed by pregnancy then delivery and pulling a full grown woman out of a man that doesn't conceive And it is a matter [already] decreed (19:21). The Islamic position is not that we have no idea why this happened. The Qur'an gives a purpose for it to be a sign and mercy. You may say you don't think that explanation is sufficient. Fine. But that is different from saying Islam has no explanation. You are moving from disagreement with an explanation to denial that an explanation exists.

honesttalk21:
11. Jesus knowing what people ate and stored does not establish omniscience
The same problem applies to your sixth question. The Qur'an presents Jesus saying he informs people of what they eat and what they store in their houses. It explicitly places this among his signs. But you have transformed extraordinary knowledge granted by Allah into independent divine omniscience. Those are not equivalent propositions. A prophet can know something Allah reveals to him without becoming Allah. Prophets know things they could not know through ordinary human means because Allah reveals them. That makes them recipients of divine knowledge. It does not make them omniscient gods.
Did Joseph not know before hand that he will be in a honourable position compared to his siblings and parents as well as the coming seasons of drought and plenty before they came to pass. Or does foreknowledge only count as divine when it's Jesus?

honesttalk21:
12. His being raised by Allah does not establish divinity either.
You argue that Jesus' raising is another indication of his unique nature. Islam agrees it is extraordinary. But extraordinary divine favour does not equal divine identity. Allah can honour a servant without making that servant God. The Qur'an's teaching is that Allah raised Jesus to Himself and that his enemies did not accomplish what they intended. Where were Elijah and Enoch raised to, according to your own Bible? If you have a theology that meaningfully distinguishes their ascension from Jesus', share it convincingly. That demonstrates Allah's power and Jesus' special status. It does not logically establish that Jesus is the Creator. Again, you have the same missing premise.

honesttalk21:
Indeed Rashi, Targum Sheni, and Ecclesiastes Rabbah are all later than the Qur'an, some by centuries. Citing later sources as the Qur'an's origin, if anything, gets the timeline backwards , they'd need to borrow from an earlier common tradition, not the reverse. That's not evidence, it's chronology working against you.

To be continued....

honesttalk21:
TenQ, your latest response actually exposes the central weakness in your argument.

You keep presenting six questions as though the mere fact that Jesus is extraordinary creates a theological problem for Islam. It does not.
You have repeatedly insisted that you are not attempting to prove the divinity of Jesus. Fine. I will take you at your word. Though if you have any real sense of honesty not leaning to some cunning you should tell what really it is you want to establish or prove. Then let us deal with the question you say you are actually asking which is why did Allah make Jesus so unique, what was the purpose of that uniqueness, and does Christianity's later development demonstrate that Allah's purpose somehow backfired?
That is a legitimate theological question. But your conclusion still does not follow from the question. You have taken Jesus' extraordinary characteristics and added another premise haven't you? If Allah made Jesus extraordinarily unique, then Allah must have intended that uniqueness to establish something beyond prophethood, and because Christianity later became enormous, Allah's plan apparently failed. Isn't this what you say in your last post? That is the premise you still need to demonstrate. You have not demonstrated it. You have simply assumed it. Simply because:
1. Islam does not deny that Jesus is extraordinarily unique
Let's remove the strawman. The Qur'an does not portray Jesus as an ordinary prophet. It explicitly teaches that Jesus was born miraculously without a human father, is the Messiah particularly to the Israelites to whom he was sent, is a Word from Allah, is a spirit from Him, was supported by the Holy Spirit, performed extraordinary miracles, healed the blind and the leper, brought the dead to life, formed a bird from clay which became alive, knew things people ate and stored in their houses, and was raised by Allah. Do you agree are call Islam and the Qur'an as lying here?
So yes, Jesus is extraordinarily unique. Muslims have no reason to deny that. But here is the distinction you keep overlooking; uniqueness is a description. Divinity is a theological conclusion. You keep supplying the description and expecting the conclusion to follow automatically. It does not. Is this what your scripture obviously tells you?

honesttalk21:
2. Jesus' extraordinary creation does not establish that he is the Creator
You repeatedly emphasize that Jesus had no human father. Agreed. But why does that establish divinity? The Qur'an itself answers this through comparison to Adam. Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, 'Be,' and he was (3:59).
Notice what the verse is doing. It is not saying Jesus and Adam are identical in every respect. They obviously are not. Adam had neither father nor mother. Jesus had a mother but no biological father. The point is that neither mode of creation requires Jesus to be divine. Indeed, if absence of a human father were evidence of divinity, Adam would have an even stronger claim since Adam had neither father nor mother, yet Adam is plainly a created servant of Allah. Is there any other human created as Adam was. Can you find similarity in how Eve came into being form just one human as Jesus came from Mary?

This is precisely how classical Muslim exegetes understood 3:59. Al-Tabari and Ibn Kathir both explain the comparison in terms of Allah's unrestricted creative power. If Jesus' creation without a father is used as evidence for divine sonship, Adam's creation without both father and mother would provide an even greater difficulty. So your statement that Jesus and Adam are fundamentally different does not answer the argument. Of course they are different. But different does not mean divine. A different mode of creation proves a different mode of creation. It does not prove divine nature.

honesttalk21:
3. Your Spirit from Him argument creates another problem. You repeatedly appeal to Jesus being described as a Spirit from Allah. But the Qur'an also uses extraordinarily exalted language concerning Adam saying when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of my [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration (15:29). The same description appears concerning Adam in 32:9 and 38:72. Did Allah breath into Mary in same manner or by angelic medium?
The point is theological. The Qur'an can describe a created human being in an extraordinary relationship to Allah's Spirit without that human being becoming divine. Adam is the obvious example. Therefore, if you argue that Jesus being called a Spirit from Him means Jesus must possess divine nature, you have to explain why the Qur'an's exalted Spirit-language concerning Adam does not produce the same conclusion. Saying Jesus and Adam are different doesn't solve it. The question is what is the theological rule that converts this language into divinity in Jesus' case? You have not established it. Do specifically well to address this should you choose to reply.

honesttalk21:
4. The same applies to Word from Allah.
You say Jesus is the Word from Allah. Yes. But the expression does not automatically mean what you want it to mean. Allah says the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him (4:171). Notice what the same verse immediately says, so believe in Allah and his messengers. And do not say, 'Three'; desist, it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God.
That context matters. Jesus is the Messiah, a messenger of Allah, His Word directed to Mary, a soul from Him, and the conclusion is that Allah is One. The Qur'an does not say Jesus is the Word, therefore Jesus is God. That is a theological interpretation you are bringing to the phrase. You are entitled to argue for that interpretation, but you cannot present the conclusion as though the phrase itself logically entails it.
....to be continued

dofman:
Everyone knows that your religion foundation are lies nah . Pele o Shioor

dofman:
You mean your religion with 100 percent western ways of life 🤣🤣
Does Jesus wear coats and trouser and tie ?
Does Jesus did white weeding
Does Jesus dances and clap in the church . M
Shioor . Tuehhh 🤣

dofman:
Haaaaa. Why did you japa from the truth nah

dofman:
This one will copy virus from their unbelievers WhatsApp group and expect someone to teach him everything ahaaa.

You don’t cast nah .
You will explain tire seh
🤣🤣

You can continue cry shaa

dofman:
You wey hate truth is talking ahaaaa.
You saw the truth and you japa .

Shioor .

Just kpai kpaid first ; you go know a sore 🤣

dofman:
You that ran away from the Ai that expose your lies nko ? 🤣

Or you that follow Paul and abandon Jesus nko ?

Your eyes go clear ahaaa

dofman:
🤣🤣🤣 does your jesus understand your English or Yoruba .

Dey play .

Or your church who sing in tone and dances skelebe , does your god understand . 🤣

dofman:
Omo , the thing hit you well . Since I have casted you and finished u, you have open more than three new topics just to save face ahaaaa.

Pele guy . You have lost .

Go call your pastor to help u nah 🤣

U don cast

dofman:
🚮 trash

Shioor

Kininwi

🤣🤣 blame your Paul who gave you viruses to spew nah .

Agbakoooo ni Christianity seh .

Eti cast las las

dofman:
Just pity your self that will be in hell fire for life unless you repent.
That Jesus will even deny you . Your eyes go clear .

Christianity don cast .

Pele

nairalanda1:
Which wasn't what I was talking about per Se.

Reference:
Then why can't he just make fuel available for everyone irrespective of where they are taking the product to. How does this affect the price.

It is not as if he was the only supplier of products to the economy. Remember we still import a lot...a lot of products at international market price remember....or is his fuel cheaper than imports?

The koko of the matter remains that since subsidy ended, it supposedly ended the fear of smuggling since it equalized the price across the border so how can there be scarcity when everyone in Africa has access to global oil at no additional cost to refiners, importers or government....or is there something they are not telling us....


ARE THEY STILL PAYING SUBSIDY....tok tru...

nairalanda1:
So essentially, the smuggling out of the country is creating a relative scarcity which is pushing up the prices...long and short of the tale.

Yeah, I'm not surprised there is smuggling, the only good thing about it now is that government is no longer paying subsides, so we aren't subsidising everyone and anyone. But at the end, the CUstoms needs to be up and doing.

Still Nigeria cannot stop smuggling, as most smugglers are a guy with a 50 kg keg of petrol...carrying it across the border. Not just the big tankers. Unless the government is ready to enclose Nigeria with the equivalent of the Berlin wall...the Berlin wall 2000 that the GDR leadership was planning for the 1990's that would have included among other things robot controlled guns operating by being triggered by motion sensors, anD cctv cameras everywhere...smuggling is going to happen. The fact that subsidy is gone means that it isn't being done at the expense of the treasury.

Still, a trick we could use is to charge tarrifs on petrol going out of the country...as much as 30%. Ouch.