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Truthseeker10:
Explain what the spirit is using the bible verse in the screenshot below.

Truthseeker10:
Explain Ecclesiastics 12:7 below.

King James Bible
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

jaephoenix:
1. Give me instances of those healings your god did

jaephoenix:
2. Yet same god says in the bible that WE SHOULD PRAY FOR ANYTHING

jaephoenix:
So despite all the prayers,Yhwh cannot fix Nigeria
Also you said your prayers work,yet hopsitals in Nigeria witness many deaths after operations where prayers are offered but advanced countries where surgeons rarely pray before ops have better outcomes. Make it make sense

jaephoenix:
3. Copying stuff from Google or chatgpt doesnt take the place of professionals. Read what I typed. I explained how their sight works. Their sights are not complete like when they are 3 or 4 months
And I wonder why you asked this question in the first place

jaephoenix:
4. Evolution simply talks about how humans change. It doesnt talk about atoms
There are many instances of evolution which happens in humans and animals
Example is our ppendix,tails,wisdom tooth etc. Those organs evolved

jaephoenix:
So you have twisted the narration to Yhwh doesnt keep from dying? Don't you christians disturb us with 'testimonies' how your god saved your asses from death? Why turn it around now?

jaephoenix:
The mortality rates in Nigeria is far higher than those countries you listed,in every age group both under 5,maternal,fetal and geriatric mortalities. Dont even go there
Even the life expectancy of Nigeria is low compared to them. We have life expectancy of 54 years while they have up to 90 years.
So park well with your useless prayers

jaephoenix:
The human eye cannot comprehend visual impulses. Meaning that the brain isnt specialized enough to interprete visual cues even though the baby is 'seeing'. So in all intents and purposes, they are blind. There are many organs that start growing in the womb but are still 'useless' at birth like genitals etc. In fact the brain keeps on growing after birth to accommodate more visual cues

jaephoenix:
About evolution, its quite predictable up to a point. We cant 100% predict it
And evolution has nothing to do with big bang. I dont know what is your christians problem. Simply research basic concepts before engaging on them

jaephoenix:
So with all you have said,why is morbidity and mortality higher in Nigeria, a prayerful country than less prayerful countries like UK,US,NZ etc?
I thought u r smart TenQ but then you're a Christian....

doffman:
See this one just Dey disgracing himself ahaaaaaaaa🤣🤣🤣🤣

We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”


Did you ever believe in oneness of God ?

No be Jesus be your god ?

Or you want to change mouth now ?

You should know that that the scripture is not your fake bible nah .

You know nah . 🤣

You are not among those that believe in Injeel.

Pele guy 🤣

RollinTNDA:
Abeg you lost argument bro
Which one be spirit body again
Continue believing rubbish

Uchesis:
Still doesn't change the fact that your so called hellfire is a myth and not real

Have a nice day

WorkTheTalk:
Sandra C Duru, aka Prof Mgbeke, who was allegedly hired by Senate President Godswill Akpabio to tackle Senator Natasha Akpoti-Uduaghan, has released an audio conversation between them, describing it as "just a sneak peek of what's coming on Sunday."

NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT -

Sandra C Duru, aka Prof Mgbeke, who was allegedly hired by Senate President Godswill Akpabio to tackle Senator Natasha Akpoti-Uduaghan, has released an audio conversation between them, describing it as "just a sneak peek of what's coming on Sunday." pic.twitter.com/WYOpe4Xhx0

— NewsHub (@NewsHub2023) September 19, 2026

Truthseeker10:
Explain Ecclesiastics 12:7 below.

King James Bible
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

RollinTNDA:
Abeg you lost argument bro
Which one be spirit body again
Continue believing rubbish

Uchesis:
Pls define hellfire for me again. Maybe i don't understand.

I said the number one pain receptor. Hope you understand English sha

honesttalk21:
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And this is where your two later responses become revealing. The Adam argument remains unproved Your central objection is still:

Did Allah create Adam through physical formation and the giving of life, or through “Kun fayakūn” alone? That is a false dilemma.

Qur'an 3:59 itself gives both elements: Adam is created from dust, and Allah says Be, and he is. You supplied the word alone. The Qur'an does not.

It does not say Allah said Be; therefore no forming, shaping, proportioning, breathing of life, or other divine creative action occurred.

That is your premise. And the Qur'an elsewhere explicitly describes creation and shaping as sequential aspects of the creative act We created you, then We shaped you (7:11), while 15:28–29 and 38:71–72 describe creation from clay, proportioning, and the breathing of life.

So your repeated formulation physical action OR Kun fayakūn does not follow from the text. You have to establish why they are mutually exclusive.You have not.

Genesis does not establish your rule either

Genesis 2:7 says YHWH formed Adam from the dust and breathed life into him.
That establishes divine action. It does not establish Because God formed Adam, God therefore did not command Adam into existence.

Genesis 1:26 makes your categorical statement that Christians never describe humanity's creation through divine command even more difficult to sustain:
Then God said, Let us make man in our image.

Genesis can therefore contain divine speech concerning humanity and subsequently describe the manner in which Adam was formed.

That is precisely the distinction you refuse to permit in the Qur'anic account. Command does not logically exclude execution through a process.

Your bricklayer/potter analogy therefore misses the theological category. A human craftsman depends upon independently existing material. God is not a creature dependent upon an independent creation.

Your cup analogy proves only that you can manipulate existing clay and subsequently say Kun fayakūn. You did not create the clay. You did not create yourself. You did not create the physical laws governing the process. And your cup did not become a living human being.

So you have not reproduced the divine phenomenon you are trying to use as an analogy.

You have merely pronounced two Arabic words after manufacturing a cup.

The forty-year argument does not repair the contradiction

I did not deny that Islamic historical and exegetical literature contains reports describing Adam's body as remaining lifeless before receiving life.

But you cannot simply turn every later report into an unquestionable Qur'anic fact.

The specific transmission and grading of those reports have to be distinguished from the separate Sahih Muslim material concerning Adam's decree.

And even if I grant the forty-year report completely for the sake of argument, your conclusion still does not follow.

A period of formation before life would simply be a stage in a creative process.

It would not prove therefore Allah could not say Be.

Again, you need the missing premise that
Be excludes process. You have never established it.

Your two later responses also demonstrate the problem with the discussion's structure

At 10:09 p.m., instead of establishing why “Be” necessarily excludes divine action, you named a weak and false pottery analogy, the forty-year argument, and the assertion that YHWH created Adam personally.

At 12:11 a.m., you again returned to the Zechariah surface questions, then moved into the Masoretic Text, Jewish scholars, Trinity, Genesis 18–19, divine spatiality, the toilet analogy, and finally the Mi'raj.

The issue is not that every one of those subjects is illegitimate. The issue is that a new subject does not resolve an old unanswered premise. That is the structural problem here.

You began with one proposition Kun fayakūn is incompatible with a physical creative process. That proposition was challenged.

Instead of demonstrating the missing premise, the discussion keeps acquiring new branches. That is why I describe the pattern as a gish gallop not as an accusation about your motives, but as a description of the argumentative structure where more claims are being introduced faster than the disputed premises are being demonstrated.

honesttalk21:
Volume does not become evidence merely by increasing. And your Mi'raj argument is precisely such a new branch

You introduced the questions about Muhammad pbuh, the prophets in their graves, resurrection, and Moses during the Mi'raj. But those were not questions I had previously asked you.

They are a new argument introduced by you. So I am not going to pretend they somehow answer the Adam question.

Even if your premises concerning Moses were all granted, you would still have to establish another proposition:

How does a question concerning the state or location of Moses establish that a human being possesses Allah's creative Kun fayakūn? It doesn't.

Being encountered somewhere is not creation. Presence is not creation.

A prophetic encounter is not creation.
And the existence of a theological question concerning Moses does not demonstrate that a human being can create by divine command.

It is another branch.

honesttalk21:
The same applies to Genesis 18–19

You point to Genesis 19:24 and argue that YHWH on earth rains fire from YHWH in heaven. That is a textual observation worth discussing. But it does not automatically demonstrate the Trinity.

You still have to establish the theological inference. Likewise, the fact that Genesis describes YHWH appearing to Abraham and acting in relation to heaven does not by itself establish a later doctrine of three divine persons.

A biblical narrative and a developed theological formulation are not automatically identical propositions. And your spatial argument does not establish what you claim

“Can Allah enter the toilet?”

That is rhetoric, not demonstration.

Omnipresence is not simply the proposition that God occupies every location as a physical object occupies a room.

If you want to establish a contradiction between Islamic and Christian doctrines of divine presence, define the respective doctrines and demonstrate the incompatibility.

A provocative example does not do that work for you.

Your claim about Allah and YHWH likewise requires more than doctrinal difference. You argue YHWH is omnipresent. Allah is not. YHWH is Father. Allah is not. YHWH is Trinity. Allah is not. Therefore Allah and YHWH are different beings.

But that conclusion does not automatically follow from disagreement between two theological systems. Arabic-speaking Christians themselves use Allah for God. So the linguistic designation certainly cannot establish different identities.

honesttalk21:
Your Trump/Tinubu analogy proves only that two people can share a description without being identical. It does not prove the converse that If two theological systems attribute different properties to God, they must therefore refer to different beings.

honesttalk21:
That requires a separate argument.
And Trinity makes YHWH omnipresent is not a demonstration. You said Trinity is the superior explanation because it makes YHWH omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. But saying that does not demonstrate it.

Why is Trinity necessary for omnipresence?

Why could an absolutely transcendent, omnipotent God not be omnipresent without being tri-personal?

And if your argument depends upon Father, Son and Spirit being distributed across spatial locations, you need to defend that particular model rather than present it as though it were simply the definition of classical Trinitarian theology.

Again assertion is not demonstration.

honesttalk21:
The Masoretic argument requires evidence, not motive. You called the Masoretic reading a minor and recent Jewish variant created in opposition to Christianity.

That is a historical and textual claim. It therefore needs historical and textual evidence. Calling Jewish scholars hostile to Jesus does not establish that their textual reading is wrong.

If Rashi or Ibn Ezra gives a grammatical or contextual interpretation you reject, answer the interpretation.

Jewish scholars hate Jesus is not a rebuttal to Hebrew grammar. Nor does it establish that the Masoretic reading was fabricated to defeat Christianity.

You have to establish that historically. So let us apply your own standard consistently. You told me to speak truthfully to the text and not twist or turn away from its logical conclusion. Agreed.

honesttalk21:
Then the same standard applies to your argument. The Qur'an describes Adam as created from dust. It describes creation and shaping. It describes proportioning and the giving of life. It also describes divine creative authority through Be, and he was. Nothing in those descriptions establishes that divine command excludes divine action.

You have asserted that exclusivity. You have not demonstrated it.

Likewise, Genesis 2:7 describes divine formation from dust and the giving of life. Genesis 1:26 contains divine speech concerning the making of humanity. So the existence of a creative process does not establish the absence of divine command.

honesttalk21:
Your central contradiction therefore remains unproved. And on Zechariah, John 19 gives you a Christian interpretive connection between Jesus and the pierced figure.

Fine. But the argument still requires you to demonstrate the steps from:

Zechariah → Jesus → unique fulfillment → deity.

You cannot simply leap from the first proposition to the last and treat the intervening premises as self-proving.

That is exactly where the argument needs to be made.

Finally, this is why I am responding despite saying I was finished

I am not reopening every branch of the discussion. I am clarifying the record because your two subsequent responses have introduced the appearance of additional evidence without actually resolving the premises that were challenged.

The 10:09pm response did not establish why Be excludes process. The 12:11a.m response did not establish why the Zechariah connection to Jesus proves every subsequent Christological conclusion.

Instead, new issues were introduced—textual variants, Jewish interpretation, Trinity, Genesis 18–19, spatiality, Mi'raj and others.

That is precisely where debate can become a matter of accumulating objections rather than establishing conclusions.

So I will leave the matter at the point where the evidence actually leaves it:
You have not demonstrated that Kun fayakūn excludes divine creative process.
You have not demonstrated that physical formation therefore contradicts divine command. You have not demonstrated that the pottery analogy is comparable to divine creation.

And regarding Zechariah you have shown the Christian identification of Jesus with the pierced figure in John; you have not, merely by quoting John, demonstrated every premise required to turn that identification into a proof of Jesus' deity.

Those are the actual outstanding arguments. Not the number of new questions that can be added afterward.
Let the text carry the argument.

If the missing premises can be established from the Hebrew, Greek, Qur'anic and historical evidence, establish them. If they cannot, repeating the conclusion—or opening another branch—does not supply them.

That is the clarification I needed to put on record, and I will leave it there.

honesttalk21:
I said my previous post was final. I am making this one clarification only because your two subsequent responses at 10:09 p.m. 19/09 and 12:11 a.m.20/09/2026 do not resolve the central objections; they largely repeat the original assertions and then expand the discussion into new subjects.

So let us be precise about what happened. You did answer the four preliminary questions concerning Zechariah 12:10. I have no need to pretend otherwise. You identified YHWH as the speaker, the house of David and inhabitants of Jerusalem as “they,” the pierced figure according to your reading, and the mourners. You then appealed to John 19:34–37 to connect Jesus with the pierced figure. But those four answers were not the whole argument.

The real questions were what those answers actually establish. You still have to demonstrate:

1. Why Zechariah 12:10, in its original Hebrew and literary context, specifically refers to Jesus.
2. Why Jesus uniquely fulfills the passage.
3. Why fulfillment of the passage establishes deity specifically, rather than Messiahship, kingship, representation, or another category.
4. How the textual variant between אֵלַי (to Me) and אֵלָיו (to him) affects the argument.
5. Why the Christian reading should control over the alternative Jewish readings.

John 19:37 establishes that John applies the piercing text to Jesus. It does not, by itself, prove every proposition between John applies this text to Jesus and therefore Zechariah proves Jesus is YHWH.

That missing chain is exactly what I was asking you to establish.

honesttalk21:
8. Now to Zechariah 12:10
You asked me for four short answers.
Here they are.
1. Who is speaking?
The speaker is YHWH, speaking in the first person, I and Me.
2. Who are they?
In the immediate context they are the inhabitants of Jerusalem and the house of David.
3. Who is the pierced one?
In the reading אֵלַי (ʾēlay, to Me) of the Masoretic Text, the wording makes the speaker identical with the one towards whom they look in the piercing statement. However, there is a major textual variant אֵלָיו (ʾēlāw, “to him”), which changes the grammatical construction
4. Who is grieving?
The house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem mourn.
Those are the truthful answers to the questions as written. But you then have to do the actual interpretive work.

honesttalk21:
14. You also skipped the actual questions.
You said I will thereafter explain what each of your questions mean. But explaining what my questions mean is not answering them. My questions were deliberately specific.
What does the passage mean in its original context? Why does it specifically refer to Jesus? Why does Jesus uniquely fulfill it? How does that fulfillment establish deity specifically? Those questions remain. And that is important because your entire conclusion depends upon them.

RollinTNDA:
We are talking about physical pain
And all you mentioned was emotional pain.
The same way a soul feels no physical pain is the same way the Ai doesn't feel physical pain

Fear worry anxiety are emotional

Hell you describe is more of physical torture pain with fire burning you with gnashing of teeth and crying from the heats of burning flames.

That is physical pain

A good description of hell for a soul
Is a soul that is lost in fear anxiety and insecurity. That is emotional torture that best describe what he'll means for a soul

Not burning of fire and quenching if thisrt

doffman:
Kininwi 🤣

You should know that all your statements can never be taken serious at all . That is why I don’t even bother to read all your statement again cos I know for sure you get virus . You don’t understand anything ; even Ai know that you are not serious. Shioor .

Well , your god has 7 horns o


Your god get 7 horns amd eyes lobatan

Revelation 5:6

“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth."

No be talk am , na your Bible said it .

Lobtan .