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honesttalk21:
Asbab al-Nuzul is Hadith and Sirah. You cannot cite it "before" the sources it is literally built from. That is not a challenge — that is a circular trap you set for yourself.

Al-Tabari records weak, strong and disputed narrations alike. Appearing in his tafsir proves nothing about authenticity. Your own tradition's scholars rejected these specific narrations on that basis. That is not denial — that is Islamic scholarship doing exactly what it does.

honesttalk21:
And even if every disputed narration were true, they describe an interference that was *caught and rejected*. You are presenting a failed attempt as evidence of a successful corruption. That is not logic.

Where you can no longer defend your stance you revert to calling disagreement "denial of truth" which is not an argument. It is what someone says when their evidence has run out.

honesttalk21:
You keep dodging the core issue. Your individual arguments are weak, so you bundle them instead of proving any one of them.

You lean on claims already disputed like the “Satanic verses” and misread how the Qur’an addresses the People of the Book. None of this shows corruption or contradiction; it reflects confusion between revelation, its transmission, and later interpretations.

honesttalk21:
Your method fails at the basic level. Stacking claims isn’t proof. Demonstrating textual corruption requires clear evidence; altered finalized texts, manuscript variation, or early documented disputes. You provide none. What you offer are scattered, often weak reports paired with interpretive leaps. That’s not evidence; it’s misreading. Bottom line: the claim that Islam distorts or denies truth isn’t supported it rests on misrepresentation and inconsistent standards.

honesttalk21:
Now it’s confirmed. You are acting like you got lost in the discussion?
Two separate submissions were already answered, the first with fourteen direct numbered responses, the second with twelve. Merging them into one new post doesn’t create new questions. It just reorganizes what was already addressed.

You didn’t engage; true to type, you multiplied claims. Jumping from one point to another doesn’t strengthen a case. It avoids scrutiny.

Flooding an exchange with unconnected angles has a name;gish gallop, and it works by creating the impression of weight rather than the substance of it.

The audience sees it even when the one doing it doesn’t.

When ten arguments are thrown at once, none of them get properly examined. That is the point of the technique. But it also reveals something: a position that needs that many diversions to survive is a position that cannot stand still long enough to be tested.

Fourteen points were answered directly and numbered. Then twelve more. The response was to merge both into one new submission as if the answers hadn’t been given. That is not pursuit of truth. That is the hope that reorganizing questions substitutes for engaging answers. Patheticc.
Every point has been addressed. Twice in some cases. The answers are sitting above this post in the thread. If any single one of those points holds, isolate it. Stand on it. Defend it without borrowing from the others. You can do this for each single one if you like, but not a flood unless you feign being too busy to or actually don’t want to face the truth in each.

Right now, the volume is doing what the substance cannot. Pick one. Let’s examine it properly.

Gabrielshow24:
Are you minding aitalk?
All what he wrote were completely generated!

Even his AI agent is unaware that each book is responsible for substantiating its own claims! The Quran can't substantiate such claims against an Eternal tablet😂—Abrogation clearly shows it was man-made!

The bible doesn't have such claims so his Ai's appeal is totally irrelevant 🥱. The irony of trying to play down "abrogation" and incomplete surahs😂.

I still wonder why the people cried out to Uthman if "differences" were mainly 'dialectal'😂👀. There were big theological differences which Uthman sought to 'trim'. Even at this, he still failed🤨. We have over 20+ variants of the Quran👀, Eternal immutable🤕 speech of Allah😔, with over thousands of differences.

His agent even entangled itself by mentioning "apocrypha". It failed to realize that the religion was built on apocryphal books😂. It bears remarkable similarities with the Talmuds, which leads to the Talmudic dilemma👀. It also has several stories plagiarized from the protoevangelium of James among others😂.

Imagine an infinite, all powerful👀, supposedly omnipresent and omnipotent God calling Alexander, the great, a Muslim😂. Someone who was a certified pagan🤦🏾‍♂️! Should I apply principles of equivocation👀?...fallacies Muslims employ everyday... Dare I posit that being "Muslim", based on this, means "being pagan"😂.

Job well done, brother. He can only hide behind generative ai😂 which just spews out old rehashed scripts🥱.

honesttalk21:
Direct answers. Final submission. 📢

1. Q2:79 – fabrication vs transmission
This verse condemns knowingly inventing scripture and attributing it to God. It doesn’t describe a publicly recited, widely memorized text.
Your own Bible makes the same distinction: Jesus criticizes those who had scripture but distorted its meaning (Mark 7:8–9).
Different category so your argument doesn’t land.

honesttalk21:
2. “No evidence of Jibril”
You’re applying a standard your own tradition doesn’t meet.
At Sinai, people explicitly avoid direct encounter and rely on Moses (Exodus 20:19). Revelation is not “video evidence”; it’s evaluated through consistency,transmission, and impact.
If you reject that standard, you undercut your own foundation.

honesttalk21:
3. “Satanic verses”
Not found in any sahih (reliable) sources, rejected by the scholarly tradition.
Building an argument on weak reports is like constructing doctrine from apocrypha. Methodologically inconsistent.

honesttalk21:
4. Abrogation (Q2:106)
Yes some rulings are replaced. That’s not a flaw; it’s a feature of a law-giving system over time.
Your Bible does the same (e.g., Acts 10:15; shifts in legal codes).
So either both are invalid or neither is.

honesttalk21:
5. “Jew = only ethnicity”
Your own text expands the term: “a Jew is one inwardly” (Romans 2:28–29).
So it’s not strictly ethnic in your own framework. You can’t restrict what your scripture broadens.

honesttalk21:
6. "Where is Muhammad named?”
Prophecy doesn’t require explicit naming.
Isaiah 53 is understood as referring to Jesus without naming him.
Description-based recognition is already part of your interpretive method.

honesttalk21:
7. Mary (Q21:91)
“Breathing” is metaphorical language for divine command same pattern as Adam (Genesis 2:7).
No biology implied just creative will. Taking it literally creates problems you don’t apply elsewhere.

honesttalk21:
8. Incarnation and contradiction
Numbers 23:19: God is not a man.
If God is infinite, timeless, and unbounded how does He become limited, located, and dependent without contradiction?
This isn’t dismissed it’s an unresolved tension.

honesttalk21:
9. Seen / carried proves limitation
Anything seen, carried, or physically constrained is by definition limited in space and time.
Saying “incarnation solves it” isn’t an explanation; it’s a label. The mechanism still needs to be made coherent.

honesttalk21:
10. Q19:71–72 (Hell passage)
Quoting half the verse misleads.
All pass by; only the wrongdoers remain.
Same structure as judgment passages in the Bible (e.g., Matthew 25:46): exposure not identical outcome.

honesttalk21:
11. Uthman and preservation
Standardization of recitation form, not invention of content.
No competing Qur’anic corpus survived as a rival text.
Compare that with multiple manuscript traditions in biblical history this is actually a point for preservation.

honesttalk21:
12. “Missing verses”
What you’re referring to are reports about abrogated recitations, not lost scripture.
Textual history exists in every tradition (see Jeremiah 8:.
History of transmission isn't corruption.

honesttalk21:
Repeating the same objections doesn’t strengthen them. Each point either applies equally to your own scripture or relies on a double standard.

If you want to go deeper, we can isolate just one issue like incarnation or revelation and analyze it step by step using consistent logic.

honesttalk21:
Are you acting like you got lost in discussion?🤔.

Here are direct answers only, matching your questions:

1. Does Quran 2:79 apply to Qur’an writers?
No. It condemns false authorship attributed to Allah. The companions were transmitters of publicly known revelation, not independent authors.

honesttalk21:
2. Did they claim it was from Allah via Jibril?
Yes. As transmission of revelation, not as personal composition.

honesttalk21:
3. Do scholars say verses are lost?
No. What is cited is abrogation of recitation (naskh al-tilawa) during the Prophet’s lifetime not post-compilation loss.

honesttalk21:
4. Is "Jew” only an ethnic term?
No. Both Qur’an and Bible use it as religious and communal identity.

honesttalk21:
5. Where is the Prophet in Torah/Injeel and how verified?
By description, not necessarily name. Verified through prophetic characteristics,
continuity of message (monotheism), scriptural indicators

honesttalk21:
6. Who made Mary pregnant?
Allah. (Quran 21:91)

honesttalk21:
7. Can Allah do what Jibril does (incarnation)?
Yes to ability.
No to incarnation as becoming creation that is a logical contradiction, not a limitation.

honesttalk21:
8. Can Allah be finite and infinite at the same time?
No. Contradiction, not power.

honesttalk21:
9. Can Allah be somewhere and everywhere simultaneously?
No (in created spatial terms). Allah is not bound by space the premise is invalid.

honesttalk21:
10. Do Quran 19:71–Quran 19:72 say all Muslims enter Hell temporarily?
No. They describe approach/passing, not all believers remaining in Hell.

honesttalk21:
11. Why did Uthman burn manuscripts?
To standardize written dialect/orthography, not remove content.

honesttalk21:
12. Where is the stoning verse?
Abrogated in recitation, ruling preserved in Sunnah/tradition.

honesttalk21:
13. Breastfeeding verse?
Same. Abrogation of recitation, not lost later.

honesttalk21:
14. Abu Musa “forgotten surah”?
Refers to abrogated/withdrawn recitation, not corruption.

honesttalk21:
You are repeating claims already answered and treating repetition as proof.🔥

It isn’t. 🎯

Ohyoudidnt:
Seems you get a lot of my meaning but a few things missed or misunderstood.

You will be astonished to know we actually have capacity if you excuse the scarcity of advanced level equipment and inability of the indigenous worker to meet the bureaucratic requirements to handle these projects.

Ohyoudidnt:
Regardless of the presence or absence of the promises however stated and misunderstood there's no scape goating here. This guy has eyes on gubernatorial power.

Ohyoudidnt:
The laws governing power in Nigeria are changing but we need better commercial law implementation and efficiency for us to hit reasonable electric power satisfaction. No private individual wants to waste money outside the BIG boys that are governing outside government that currently own all these big power generating stations. 🥴

Ohyoudidnt:
Another reflection where a supposedly simple fix is too far cry for Nigeria challenges or opportunities. Even the insufficient gas pipeline isn't adequately managed for faults, vandalism or expected wear. Repeated cycles of no easy fixes to multidimensional problems encompassing corruption, ethnic/religious conflicts, and infrastructure failure

Then the one promising is likely to resign by month end unless...

honesttalk21:
These questions have already been answered. What follows isn't new it's where your claims keep collapsing once the distinctions you keep removing are put back in place 📢

On Qur'an 2:79, the tafsir is explicit: a group of Jews and later Christians altered, wrote, and falsely attributed to God. Not all, not original revelation a subset corrupting what existed. Your argument only works by erasing that distinction 📖

Your comparison to Qur'anic scribes fails immediately: they didn't author content they transmitted under direct prophetic oversight, memorized publicly, and cross-checked collectively. That's preservation, not fabrication 🔍🤔

honesttalk21:
On Jew strictly equals just ethnicity, both scripture and usage show it's religious, communal, and historical. That's standard language, not an error.

honesttalk21:
On where is Muhammad pbuh named, you're imposing a condition the text never sets. Recognition in tafsir is by description and traits, not forced name-matching. You added the rule, then judged the text by it ✋

honesttalk21:
Jibril appearing as a man doesn't make God a man. Created form is not the Creator's nature. You're collapsing categories again ⚖️

honesttalk21:
On incarnation this hasn't moved. It requires the infinite becoming finite and dependent simultaneously. That's not power it's contradiction, and calling it possible doesn't resolve it 💡🤔🫥🥵🔥

honesttalk21:
On Mary tafsir is clear: Allah is the cause, the angel is the means. No confusion there. You're asking what's already defined 📚

honesttalk21:
On Q19:71-72, this has been answered repeatedly: yes, all reach it; only wrongdoers remain. They are left in it, others are saved. The everyone burns claim only appears when you split the verse and ignore its conclusion. 🤔🔥

honesttalk21:
On Uthman, what was standardized was writing form, not revelation. No companion dispute over content exists. If there were real differences, history would record conflict it doesn't 📖

honesttalk21:
At this point the pattern is obvious: you keep merging what the text separates revelation vs handling, approach vs remaining, cause vs means and then calling the result a contradiction.

But the contradiction was never in the text. It was introduced by removing the distinctions the text itself maintains.

Put them back, and there is nothing left to answer 🎯

honesttalk21:
These questions have already been answered directly.

What follows is simply the clarification of where your reading continues to collapse under its own assumptions.

You ask where the Qur'an distinguishes between possession and preservation yet the distinction is already explicit in the text itself. Quran 2:79 condemns those who write scripture with their own hands and attribute it to God, while Quran 5:13 states that words were distorted from their places. At the same time, the Qur'an still refers to revelation being with them. That is not confusion it is a clear separation: possession of revelation on one hand, and corruption or mishandling on the other. The distinction you claim is missing is already embedded in the text. It is your reading that collapses it 📌

honesttalk21:
The accusation that understanding requires reinterpretation misrepresents what is actually happening. Context, grammar and occasion of revelation are not distortions they are the basic tools of reading any text. The same principle exists within your own scripture. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 commands that a stubborn and rebellious son be brought to the elders of the city and stoned to death by all the men of his town. That is canonical. You do not practice it. That is not rejection of your text it is recognition that interpretation governs application. The same principle applies here 📖

honesttalk21:
When you appeal to Quran 7:157 you impose a condition the verse never states. It says the Prophet is found written with them, which speaks to recognition, not to the presence of a specific Arabic name. Turning that into a requirement for explicit naming is an external standard introduced into the text then used to judge it. The absence of that imposed condition is not a failure of the verse 🎯

honesttalk21:
The argument about Jibril reflects the same category confusion. A created being appearing in human form does not define the nature of the Creator. Form belongs to the messenger, not the sender. A doctor's uniform doesn't make the hospital board administrator a doctor. A general's insignia on a soldier doesn't make the commander a foot soldier. The sender is never reduced by the form of what is sent that is not limitation, that is the distinction between authority and its expression. The act of sending is not limitation. It is the exercise of will ✋

honesttalk21:
Your reading of Quran 1:1-7 isolates condemnation while ignoring qualification elsewhere. The same Qur'an explicitly affirms in Quran 2:62 and Quran 5:69 that righteous Jews and Christians who believe in God and the Last Day and act righteously are eligible for salvation. The categories in the opening chapter describe spiritual states, not blanket condemnation of entire identities. Reading one without the other produces the distortion you are attributing to the text ⚖️

honesttalk21:
Your statement about Jesus not being from Adam is the clearest internal break in your position. Ezekiel 18:20 establishes that each soul bears its own burden. If Jesus is not from Adam not fully within the human lineage then he does not stand within the same moral category as those he is said to represent. A non-human cannot function as a human substitute under the very framework you are invoking. That removes the foundation of the substitution claim rather than supporting it 💡

honesttalk21:
On pre-existence the appeal to Quran 7:172 does not isolate Jesus it universalizes the concept. The verse describes a pre-temporal covenant involving all human souls. Classical tafsir including that of Ibn Kathir explains this as a collective testimony of humanity before earthly existence. That makes pre-existence a shared human condition, not a unique marker of divinity. Treating it as proof of divinity would extend that status to all humans which defeats the argument entirely 🤔

honesttalk21:
Your reading of Quran 19:71 only appears problematic because it is being isolated from its completion. The moment it is read together with Quran 19:72, the structure resolves itself.

The passage is not describing identical outcomes for all people it is describing a sequence followed by a distinction. First, there is a universal approach (or passing over), then an immediate separation of outcomes: the righteous are delivered, and the wrongdoers remain. The decree encompasses both stages, not just the first half.

In other words, 19:71 without 19:72 creates a false impression of uniform entry, but 19:72 clarifies that the experience is not the same for all. The righteous are not described as dwelling or being punished they are explicitly saved from it, while the wrongdoers are left within it.

So the problem only exists if the passage is artificially split and the qualifying verse is ignored. Read as a continuous statement, the text is internally coherent: universal encounter, immediate distinction, divergent outcomes. 👀

honesttalk21:
The broader claim of corruption collapses under historical reality. If the Qur'an had undergone the kind of alteration being suggested we would expect divergent manuscript traditions, competing structures, varying chapter counts and regional textual conflicts. Instead what exists is a uniform text of 114 surahs in consistent order across vast geography and centuries. That is not the pattern of corruption. That is the pattern of preservation 📚

honesttalk21:
At this point the pattern in your argument is no longer difficult to see. It consistently merges categories the text keeps distinct: possession with preservation, recognition with explicit naming, origin with essence and power with contradiction. Once those distinctions are restored the conclusions being asserted no longer follow.

The issue is not that the questions remain unanswered. It is that the answers depend on distinctions your argument continues to erase. And without those distinctions the argument cannot sustain itself 🎯

honesttalk21:
These arguments sound forceful until they’re examined.

“Scripture being with them” only works if possession equals preservation but the Qur’an itself breaks that link. It affirms access while exposing distortion (2:79, 5:13). That’s not tension it’s a distinction. You’re the one collapsing it.

honesttalk21:
The same flaw runs through the Gospel argument. You’re treating every layer of the current text as revelation an assumption your own scholarship doesn’t support. The Qur’an calls back to what was revealed, not everything later attached to it. That’s internally consistent. Your premise isn’t.

honesttalk21:
On Muhammad not being named you’ve turned recognition into a demand for a specific label. The verse never does that. You imposed the condition, then blamed the text for not meeting it.

honesttalk21:
Your dilemma only exists because you keep merging revelation with transmission. The Qur’an separates them clearly holding people to truth within what they have while exposing where it was altered. Your argument survives only by erasing that line.

As for lies name one and prove it. Repetition isn’t evidence. Without a defined contradiction, it’s just noise.

honesttalk21:
On God entering creation this is where the logic collapses. You’ve redefined power as the ability to contradict. Infinite and finite at once isn’t power it’s incoherence. Even your own text says God is not a man (Numbers 23:19). That doesn’t switch on and off when convenient.

honesttalk21:
On Jibril the logic reverses on you. The one who sends is above the one sent. Claiming the sender lacks the capacity of the messenger isn’t theology it’s confusion.

honesttalk21:
On hate the same Qur’an you cite includes righteous Jews and Christians in salvation (2:62, 5:69). A text that does that cannot be reduced to blanket hostility. That conclusion only survives selective reading.

honesttalk21:
On Jesus this is your breaking point. You say he isn’t human, yet assign him a human role. That removes the basis of substitution entirely. And your own scripture (Ezekiel 18:20) rejects transferred guilt outright. You’ve stepped outside your own foundation to keep the claim alive.

honesttalk21:
On pre-existence this is where it fully unravels. Qur’an 7:172 makes pre-existence universal to all souls. That doesn’t prove divinity it cancels it as a unique claim. By your logic, everyone becomes divine.

honesttalk21:
On Qur’an 19:71 the argument only works if you cut the passage in half. Read 71 with 72: all approach, not all remain. The problem is created, not discovered.

At this point, the pattern is obvious:

possession is being treated as preservation

confirmation as certification

later theology read back into earlier texts

omnipotence redefined as contradiction

Remove those assumptions, and nothing is left standing.

And when an argument falls back on calling everything else darkness, it isn’t exposing error.

It’s exposing that it has nothing left. 🎯

honesttalk21:
Your argument sounds convincing right up until it's tested.

The Qur'anic verses you cited don't prove what you think they do. Saying what is with them or what was revealed affirms origin, not flawless preservation of every manuscript. That conclusion is being read into the text, not drawn from it.
More decisively, Qur'an 2:101 explicitly describes people mishandling and discarding scripture which directly undercuts any claim that the text itself guarantees perfect transmission.

honesttalk21:
The same applies to 5:43 and 5:47. These verses aren't certifying textual purity they're exposing inconsistency. People are told to judge by revelation while being criticized for not doing so. That's a moral critique, not a preservation claim. Confirmation refers to alignment in message, not validation of every later copy. Your argument depends on collapsing those categories and that collapse doesn't hold.

honesttalk21:
As for the repeated claim of lies, name one and prove it. Repetition isn't evidence. The Islamic position clearly distinguishes between original revelation and later transmission. That's not deception it's a defined framework. Refute it or drop the charge.

honesttalk21:
On whether Allah can enter creation the question assumes contradiction is power. It isn't. Being created and uncreated at the same time isn't omnipotence it's incoherence. Even in your own theology, God cannot lie, not from weakness but because it contradicts His nature.
On Jesus as Word and Spirit, Qur'an 3:59 is explicit: Jesus is like Adam, brought into existence by divine command. Word describes how he was created, not what he is. From Him indicates origin, not shared essence otherwise everything created by God becomes divine, which collapses monotheism entirely.

honesttalk21:
Jibril doesn't introduce a limitation either. Sending a messenger reflects order, not inability. The sender is not diminished by what He sends. He is distinguished from it.

honesttalk21:
The claim that Allah hates Jews and Christians fails against the text itself. Qur'an 2:62 and 5:69 explicitly include the righteous among them under clear conditions. That's not hatred it's moral accountability. Even your own citation of Matthew 7:21 affirms that principle.

honesttalk21:
And here's the central contradiction in your argument: you claim Jesus is not human, yet also a substitute for humans. If he isn't human, he cannot bear human responsibility. What you're left with is a divine being absorbing punishment for others which raises deeper problems about justice, not fewer.

honesttalk21:
Suggesting Allah is Iblis isn't theology it's another point where the argument collapses. As for the Hamas comparison, every question raised here received a direct answer. Announcing that questions went unanswered while the answers sit in the post directly above isn't debate. It's the same jubilation you described, celebrating after a different question while the original stands answered. That's not a win. That's avoidance with confidence. Everyone reading can see the difference.

Strip away the accusations and assumptions, and your case reduces to this: equating possession with perfect preservation, treating confirmation as certification, reading later theology into terms like Word, redefining omnipotence as the ability to contradict.

Remove those, and the argument doesn't weaken. It disappears. 🎯

honesttalk21:
Q29:46 says “what has been revealed to you,” not “what your current text says” and not what you assume it means. Revelation and transmission aren’t the same. A shared origin doesn’t guarantee perfect preservation by later copyists, translators, or councils that’s exactly where divergence enters, and even Biblical scholarship concedes that 📖.

honesttalk21:
On Jibril appearing as a man you answered it yourself. Jibril isn’t Allah; he’s a created messenger. A created being taking human form doesn’t prove God becomes human it proves the opposite: God communicates through creation because He isn’t it 🔎

honesttalk21:
On can Allah enter creation? That’s a category error. Entering creation means accepting limitation. Omnipotence isn’t self-contradiction. Even your own theology accepts God cannot lie not from weakness, but because it contradicts His nature 🎯

honesttalk21:
On Jesus as Word and Spirit; preordination isn’t pre-existence. Q3:59 is explicit: Jesus is like Adam brought into existence by divine command. His Word explains the act of creation, not a divine identity. You’re importing later theology into the text and calling the result a contradiction ✝️

honesttalk21:
On Muslims in Hell, if temporary accountability is a problem, then punishing the sinless in place of the guilty is a far bigger one. That’s not justice that’s liability without agency ⚖️

honesttalk21:
On Q2:62 and Q5:69 the conditions are explicit: belief in God, the Last Day, and righteous action. Not blanket inclusion. Different outcomes reflect different criteria not contradiction, just selective reading.

honesttalk21:
At this point, the pattern is clear. The issue isn't lack of answers, it's refusal to accept them. Changing the question each time doesn't expose a flaw, it just avoids the one already addressed. The questions keep multiplying because the answers keep landing 💡

honesttalk21:
You’re not exposing a contradiction you’re stacking verses, ignoring how language works, then calling it confusion when the text itself already separates outcomes.

Q29:46 isn’t “borrowing your God”; it affirms the same Creator while correcting where transmission diverged 📖

honesttalk21:
Your Jibril point collapses on your own scripture Numbers 23:19 says God is not a man. An angel appearing in human form isn’t God becoming man; manifestation isn’t incarnation, and your own text already drew that line 🔍

honesttalk21:
On Q19:71–72, this has been answered: yes, all reach it; only wrongdoers remain left kneeling in Hell while others are saved.

Repeating the same questions doesn’t create a contradiction, it just avoids the distinction already stated 🔥

honesttalk21:
On ransom, you’re merging categories. Q2:62 speaks about those who meet its conditions; Sahih Muslim 2767 addresses others. Different groups, different outcomes. No contradiction just selective reading ⚖️.

At this point, this isn’t about clarity anymore it’s repetition. The answers are already on the table, and anyone reading can see that 📚

honesttalk21:
You’re still building on a false premise. Islam doesn’t borrow authority from your Bible; it comes from Allah directly, while affirming earlier revelations in origin but not guaranteeing your current text is unchanged 📖

honesttalk21:
On God’s identity, the traits you deny: God not being a man (Numbers 23:19), not contained in creation (1 Kings 8:27), and not sharing His glory (Isaiah 42: are affirmed in your own scripture too, so the difference is in later theology, not the original concept of God ⚖️

honesttalk21:
On “thinking vs blindness,” disagreement isn’t ignorance; every serious tradition has scholars; even your own faith splits on core doctrines, so interpretation isn’t a flaw, it’s unavoidable ?!

On Ibn Abbas you can’t cite him when he serves you, then dismiss the broader scholarly tradition he represents when it doesn’t; that’s not consistency, that’s selective reasoning 🎯

honesttalk21:
On 19:71–72, your argument collapses on the second verse: yes, everyone reaches it, but only wrongdoers remain so they’re kneeling in Hell, while others are saved; that’s not contradiction, that’s the distinction the text itself makes 🔥

honesttalk21:
On Sahih Muslim 2767, the “ransom” (fidya) language isn’t literal body-swapping into Hell. It’s understood as God lifting the burden of sins from some and placing full accountability on those who actually bear them; you’re turning a theological expression of justice and mercy into a crude physical exchange to force a contradiction ⚖️

honesttalk21:
And the rest of the hadith you cited don’t override the Qur’an they explain it: some are explicitly identified among the saved (Badr, Hudaibiya), which fits 19:72, not contradicts it 🤲

So no this isn’t Muslims avoiding the plain meaning; it’s you isolating lines, ignoring context, and then calling the result a contradiction when the full text already resolved it before you even asked.

honesttalk21:
You say you don’t hate Muslims, but calling their faith “deception” while assuming your theology is the only valid lens already shuts down real understanding especially since Islam doesn’t reject Jesus Christ, it rejects a later atonement framework, much like earlier monotheistic traditions did ✝️➡️📖

honesttalk21:
On “forcing people to think,” that cuts both ways as you’re locking onto one translation and one reading of wurud while ignoring that even classical scholars differed on whether it means entering or passing, which weakens the idea of a clear contradiction 🧩

honesttalk21:
You’ve quoted Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Ibn Abbas, and Al-Tabari for “entry,” but left out that the same tradition explains how through the Sirat relates to reconcile 19:71 with 19:72 🌉

honesttalk21:
So the real issue isn’t “does wurud mean entry?” it’s what kind, for how long, and with what outcome and even your own cited hadith shows a distinction between those who remain and those who are saved 🔍

Which means even on your reading, the passage is about temporary passage and final separation, not “all Muslims burn”—and those “exceptions” are just clarifying who falls under the saved group in 19:72 ⚖️

honesttalk21:
What did this discussion thread start on? Men's braids in Islam? Got into what hadith is authentic and why some single hadith narrations are regarded as Sahih gharib due to other Sahih hadith containing similar narration? Did you then move this to Quran despite a difference between the two?

Next to an illusionary due to gross misunderstanding existence of numerous Quran not divinely revealed and accepted recitation styles? When you got obviously held in your obvious contradiction you now come to this one? 😪🤔

Must you be seen to out debate anyone upholding Islam because you choose to irrationally hate anything Islam or any Muslim that practices this despite their imperfections? You’re forcing “enter Hell” into a word that doesn’t require it. Wariduha can mean to approach or pass by not necessarily or strictly to go in 🔍. Even early scholars didn’t read it as universal punishment.

Then the very next line settles it. God saves the mindful and leaves the wrongdoers behind. That’s not “everyone burns” that’s clear separation and Justice ⚖️.

And the Sirat isn’t something people made up it comes from established prophetic reports explaining how that passing happens 🌉.

So this isn’t a gotcha. It’s a verse about who makes it through and who doesn’t not everyone ending up in Hell 🔥.

bigpicture001:
It was so very unusual but when I begged the land Landy to accept me as a huzler tenant that genuinely need a house when estate agents brought me to her to pay for her new house..

The house sh felt was way too expensive for my kind of job to maintain, sh clarifies that payment of the first lump sum isn't the problem but the continuous payment years later.. so I told her I am a Daly pay earner and if sh can open a dedicated bank account where I will b paying her 2800 daily and be posting her payment receipt the sh will notice it will add up at year end provided sh doesn't touch the rent...... Surprisingly, sh agreed and this is the 4th year going..

It was easy as I make about 8-10k daily from. My petty street huzle..

I pay her about 800k yearly for a room and palour self contained apartment

Razzness:
Every Nigerian has to speak up; all I am saying is that the moment you put religion at the center of everything. It becomes an us vs. them, and we will not be any closer to solving the problem.

Razzness:
This man has turned into a full time content creator.

In this month, hundreds of Muslims have been killed in the North. A military based was attacked and 40 soldiers were killed. An entire Muslim village in Katsina was raised to the ground. Hundreds of Muslim women and children were abducted in Borno. There was an attack on a mosque in Zamfara, 8 worshipers were killed. Just yesterday 23 Muslims were killed in Maiduguri.

Yet some people are still doubling down on the agenda of a Christian genocide. People are dying and all you can think of is to weaponize religion. Even Donald Trump has come to terms with the fact that the killings in Nigeria cut across religious divides, yet these people have made it their source of daily bread to push an agenda.

You people are not ready in this country.

Kaliningrad:
Ukraine Is Becoming A Nation Of Widows & Orphans - CNN (Photos)

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CNN

CyynthiaKiss:
Video Shows Kaduna Polytechnic Female Students Denied Entry Over ‘Indecent’ Dressing During Ramadan, School Launches Probe

Christian students at Kaduna Polytechnic in Nigeria were denied entry to their secular university for not wearing Islamic dress during Ramadan.

Women are being denied an education and the media is silent. pic.twitter.com/PA7O7u6cVm

— Turning Point UK 🇬🇧 (@TPointUK) March 14, 2026

School management reacts:

naptu2:
Sameraah Munshi @SameerahMunshi



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kettykin:
Finance ministry is finally gone. Give it 6 months.



I said that because I feel the work of a finance ministry should go far beyond taxation alone; it should really be about shaping the broader economic future. When I look at the professional background and experience of the current leadership in Nigeria’s finance team, I honestly find myself worried about whether there is enough technical depth and strategic exposure to handle the scale of the country’s economic challenges. My concern is simply that leadership at such a critical ministry should inspire strong confidence in the direction of the economy.

shoodboi2:
It is two jets that crashed and not one, as reported by the Kuwaiti government. Both were shot down by Iranian air defense.

maasoap:
American citizens called Trump a Putin's biatch, I don't know what you are talking about here. Does Russia need bailout or something?

maasoap:
Until USA, EU and NATO entered the scene which is unusual

brain54:
The comedian is still giving terms and conditions...


SMH!

treesun:

“Between now and 2027, a sitting president will påss away.”

— Primate Ayodele prophecy pic.twitter.com/QOUW8YUsc9

— CHUKS 🍥 (@ChuksEricE) February 26, 2026

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Merry100:
Traditional Christian Vow (Outdated)

Bride
I, (Bride's Name), take you, (Groom's Name), to be my lawful husband,
to love you, honour you, obey you, and submit to you,
in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer,
for better, for worse, till death do us part,
according to God's holy ordinance;
and this is my solemn vow.

Groom
I, (Groom's Name), take you, (Bride's Name), to be my lawful wife,
to love you, honour you, and be faithful to you,
in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer,
for better, for worse, till death do us part,
according to God's holy ordinance;
and this is my solemn vow.

Suggested Christian Vow

Bride
I, (Bride's Name), take you, (Groom's Name), to be my lawful husband.

I vow to make our home a sanctuary of laughter, trust, and understanding,
where love, calmness, and care guide every word and action.

I promise to love you faithfully, honour you, cherish you, respect you, support you, and give you peace abundantly.

May our love never be broken by violence or infertility,
for these are the boundaries that keep our forever sacred.

This is my solemn vow.

Groom
I, (Groom's Name), take you, (Bride's Name), to be my lawful wife.

I vow to make our home a sanctuary of laughter, trust, and understanding,
where love and care guide every word and action.

I promise to love you faithfully, honour you, cherish you, support you and protect you in every season of life.

May our love never be broken by violence or infertility,
for these are the boundaries that keep our forever sacred.

This is my solemn vow.