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@Horus
I see where you're coming from. You don't actually believe that man can land on the moon.
Your problem is a lack of exposure. it's like telling a naija villager in 1965 about television and he goes
"So you mean you will see people talking from a box? Ha Ha. look at this foolish man. next you will tell me you can see our forefathers"

You need to go out more, to get a grasp on technology then and now. Simple as that.
now, kindly provide the Wikipedia link that proves that 12 people were murdered to silence them.
i'm waiting.

@poster
Why did you have to spoil your post with foolishness? Is it not the same UN that has been begging the Sudanese Government to allow them enter and intervene? is it not the Chinese that have resolutely vetoed any attempt to sanction Sudan for allowing this massacre to happen?
Where did you see the UN tanks in Sudan?
Shebi if the UN enters Sudan without the govt's permission you won't be the first to start screaming of an illegal war?

Your line about advanced colonialism is so crazy, i found myself wondering if you were on crack. So if outsiders cannot solve Africa's problems they are agents of colonialism abi?

The only wise thing you said was concerning the security council seat. if i was president of nigeria, we would have had the UNSC seat. Simply announce to the UN that Nigeria would refuse to partake in any peacekeeping operation in Africa unless we are rewarded by the seat. The Un would have no choice; Nigerian soldiers make good cannon fodder

@AnthoniO
A system like this isn't perfect, but it's a useful check against fraud.
We've had so few referrals and rep posts posted here, so it's hard to guage how many purchases are actually being completed in this thread. I should hope that people report cases of fraud so we can all learn from any such ugly incident.

Let's hope your comment hasnt given some people bright ideas!

PS: Would it be any better if this topic were to be renamed : The Official Nairaland Tech Market Seller Referral/Reputation Thread?
Because the main thing isn't about referring, it's about reputation of honesty (kinda like ebay's reputation system).

Jokes apart.
the mere fact that these phones are a knock-off of established brands (Nokia) means they aren't officially supported by any Chinese authority. And that means the phones are made with slave labour.
That's why i can never buy a phone like that. TV and dual-sim support may be fine, but i DO have a conscience, and i'll be damned if i sell out for TV on the go.

mdsocks:
Don't mention russia atall, Do you know what transpired between them
You guys have to read the history and politics of the moon landing to understand the motive.

If Russia new it was hoax and kept mute because of reasons best know to them

This is the most absurd POS i've read all day. What politics and history?
The Space race was keenly contested and it happened during the height of the cold war. to think that the Soviet Union would know of a hoax and let it slide is totally incomprehensible. Absurd even. And just after the Cuban missile crisis.
Find out about the shock Americans were in when Yuri gagarin became the first man in space. For someone to allege the Soviet Union would allow such a dent on their pride. . .

I think i've had enough. There are no more reasonable people on this topic. Step by step we've eliminated all 'proofs' until people start voicing half-baked conspiracy theories.
There's an ancient Chinese proverb
"The world is full of people who, if given the choice between diamonds and duck droppings, will choose duck droppings!"

There have been great avenues for learning in this topic, but people have decided that unfounded and unforgivably illogical theories are better and more enjoyable than using their brains. Skyope, let's leave 'em to their devices.

Horus:
The Apollo Program was about going to SPACE[/B],but this do not mean that since you go into space,you go on the moon.
Over 1500 personnel where involved in [b]The Apollo Program ONLY but only a few persons knew that The Moon landing was a Hoax.
The 1500 personnel where also deceived.
Those 12 who died knew that The Moon landing Project was a Hoax,coincidence of course!!!

Horus,
I've never seen someone so strident for something he knows nothing about. The Apollo program was all about Moon landing, and not just going to space. get that point right.
Now, you prove that the 12 men were murdered. Go ahead, i'm waiting for hard, concrete proof.
Now, let one of you guys explain why you know something the KGB and the GRU didn't figure out. It's not like they didn't have incentive, right? After all, it was just the pride of the Soviet Union at stake.

I mean, it's funny that you think people here are gullible when YOu yourself are the gullible one. I won't be surprised when you quote an obscure website as proof that 12 people were murdered to cover up a hoax.

@Afam
Must you pick a quarrel with me?
I havenot yet expressed my concise opinions on this issue, though my stance on 419 in Naija (Zero tolerance) is well known.
Please retain some maturity and stop trying to make this a black vs white issue. Read through all the posts here so far, 80% of them focus blame exclusively on the victims. I do not think that is right.

However, this is an issue i feel strongly about, so i will come out with my own opinions. Don't start a fight with me here.

[quote author=davidyland@yahoo.com link=topic=93988.msg1686137#msg1686137 date=1195174228]moda foking poster - what do u wish to achieve by this?[/quote]Usually people have different personas online, so one tends to imagine that even the brash, abrasive people you meet on Nairaland could be wonderful, decent people in the real world.
Not you, though. your desperate quest for relevance and attention is always correctly perceived as stupidity and desperation. Your deliberate parody of an intelligent nairalander serves you no purpose, and i find that you're usually ignored by all and sundry. that must hurt you, right?

I make bold to say that you extend this same insecurity in the real world. you're nothing but a pathetic, sad, mean little man. While you strive for sensationalism you end up grasping the folds of stupidity.

it pains me to use words like 'stupid' and 'pathetic', but in this context these are not insults but facts. Do go away and dispose of yourself in the most humane way possible, lest you survive long enough to procreate and sully our already tainted genepool.

Have i, perhaps, played into your hands and given you the attention you crave? Maybe. perhaps all i've done is to feed the forum troll. But someone had to tell you a few truths.

Reverse racism at work here.
I mean, it's said in the article that this rarely-used law has been used to charge someone else in the past with murder. and it's pretty damn sure that guy was white since his race wasn't mentioned.
i shudder at the cavalier attitude the guy's mother is displayinf. her son broke into a house and clubbed someone brutally with a baseball bat (along with his accomplices). That's a crime if i ever heard one!

My opinion? The bugger deserves what he gets.

As for the shooting in the back thingy, every Nigerian knows you don't give the robbers time to get away or return fire. you pull a gun on a naija robber, you'd best use it.

dragnet:
Nw 2 wht I think is wr0ng, Firstly d f0nez shuld'v been branded by d Chinese themself instead of using & Kn0cking off n0kia's identity, 2ndly d 0perating system shuld'v been made in a way as 2 allow ease of c0mpatibility, 3rdly, d f0ne makerz shuld'v in additn 2 marketn d f0ne hea,0pen maintenance & repairz 0utfit hea in d c0untry or @ least affiliate dmself wt GAOXINQI 0ne of d Asian f0ne c0mpaniez wt service outlets hea in d c0untry, this wuld'v increasd d c0nsumer'z c0nfidenc as he'z guaranteed of gettn hs f0ne repaird & this also increases their patr0nage & generatz inc0me n empl0yment 4 them, Lastly we shuld blame d SON & NCC 4 n0t regulating,enf0rcing their practices

English, please!

1) Nairaland rule - Topics should be in clear, concise English. SMS language doesn't count.

2) List what you have and put nominal prices. Nothing more annoying than to have to call someone to haggle over prices. Can't you see what other people are doing here?

Ah. The usual 'blame the victims' approach. It's a favourite with criminals and 419 kingpins, a ready excuse for their crimes.
should honest people think that way?
I'm a bit pressed for time, will be back with my own opinions.

@gilgee
Sounds like a plot from a Robert Ludlum novel.
Also sounds completely insane. At least the early part (about the rise and fall of the Knights Templar) was somewhat ok, but the whole thing degenrated into a mess of supposition from then on.

If you really believe all this, you might also want to lay off the crack . it could help.

Afam:
I hope you realize that I don't take up challenges from your type that believe the only way they can express themselves when other disagree on issues is to insult them. This, shouldn't be news to you.

This lousy excuse doesn't fly. Everyone knows you're desperately looking for ways to run people down. Oya now, find proof that i've lied.
when you called me a liar, were you high? Didn't you know what you were doing? Here's your chance to discredit me and you waste it babbling inanities.

i've thrown down the gauntlet. Either pick it up or show your true, yellow-bellied nature to everyone.

Pick up the gauntlet, little man. You really think you're a match for me? Then show me!


_{*cough* buffoon *cough*}

mdsocks:
this clearly shows your level of understanding you have on this topic

The solar flares are much more brutal on the moon

You're always cocky about things you don't know!

There are no solar flares ON the moon. Solar flares are (as the name implies) phenomena restricted to the sun. Large solar flares do not happen all the time. In fact, throughout the Apollo missions i don't think there was a single large flare during the mission window. Scientists have gotten pretty good at predicting when large solar flares would occur.

Without any major solar activity taking place, the moon landers were exposed to pretty much the radiation they'd face in a normal spacewalk.

@skyope

Eh?!
Did you say geforce 5500? man, that's as old as Methuselah himself!

Afam:
You lie a lot so don't expect me to believe anything you put down here.

Afam:
Wait a minute, you really expected me to believe all you put down here? What have you been drinking?

Good! Now here's a challenge, little man. Kindly show me just THREE (3) lies i've said on Nairaland, along with your proof that they are lies.
You DID say i lie a lot, right? Prove it.

Three two (pun intended !) much for you? Okay, make an effort for one. . .then try for three. . .

Afam:
No be public forum we dey, if you like tell us say you finish university when you still dey your mama belle, no wahala.

You lie a lot so don't expect me to believe anything you put down here.

This is the end product of a life of paranoia, or eagerly grasping at any and all conspiracy theories you come across. You become like Ebenezer Scrooge, a man who says "Bah! Humbug!" to anything beyond him.

I don't care what you believe. it adds no money in my pocket. Stew in your paranoia, you'll die a bitter, suspicious feller.

mdsocks:
texxazpete, if they know it can't protect them, would it then be advisable to send them to the moon
Or if they had been on the moon , 90% of them should have died due to radiation
am not currently on my system, i might get the approx. wrong just bear with me

I meant to say *all* levels of raidation, not *any*. During the 30 minutes through the Van Allen belt the spacecraft itself protected them. Outside the spacecraft their suits protected them from the much more manageabloe radiation on the moon surface.
Unless, of course, you're challenging *all* spacewalks as fakes. if that, i'll stop talking to you immediately!

@Afam
Way to go posting someone's photo in a public forum. Did he ask you to do that? What about his privacy? That's vindictive

@evergie
To be fair http://www.netxpertsolutions.com is a pretty crappy website. It's clearly a cobbled together template and for my money i think Afam's site is way better (well, more reassuring). Don't just fall in with them just because their links end with .php

And yes, i used to be a web designer long ago. . .

mdsocks:
@skyope
you think like a little boy,
check facts, the farthest distance the rocket as reached after the aclaimed mission was just 3500 miles or so(not sure), while the distance from earth to moon is approx. 350,000 miles
do you seem to reason atall

The Saturn V rocket booster was NEVER designed to boost the Lunar and Command Modules to the moon. It was simply designed to put both modules into Space by generating enough thrust to escape the earth's gravity. The 3-stage rocket was designed to burn for just 20 minutes (on average) with the final stage separating from the spacecraft.
Obviously you have failed to do ANY research whatsoever.
You almost fooled me there. Why a scientist would spurn a learning oppportunity for the lure of conspiracy theories escapes me, but there you go.

seun001:
i don't know what's wrong with u and i fear to imagine what it might be.how has my post insulted the intelligence of nigerians.or u where in such a hurry to reply my post that u forgot to cool down and digest my post.of course the hoax theorist have been on for several years not sometime as u propounded,mr technologist,

so if the 'kgb' and the 'gru' spied on the 'us' during the space programme and they saw nothing wrong with it,u,a technologically backward nigerian seem to see something wrong with it but u refused to do your own research but prefer to argue on other peoples work?i now see how intelligent u are.
peeps have begged u and all your cohorts supporting the hoax theory to come up with new evidence thought up by just a single one of u,yet u keep copying and posting,following a scent that was never there.
if the Russians cannot puncture holes in the whole space program success then it means it happened period.

and by the way i ain't in support or against the whole issue.

Perhaps you suffer from vision problems. How on earth do my posts above show i'm in support of the hoax theory? I would have thought my stance in the whole issue is clear to all but the most criminally dumb.
I had difficulty following your thought processes. So what's the difference between 'sometime' and 'years ago'? How did i find and post links to back up my claims if that isn't research?
Take a good look at the articles i've posted, the comments i've made and see if you can make a comparison between your subpar intelligence and mine.

mdsocks:
And what was the apollo manager doing in Antartica months before the whole mission,
To make you understand a little bit more
Antartica is believe to have almost the same rock composition as the moon.

The only one question i will ask you is that
Why have the moon probes after that which have mapped the surface of the moon not found leftovers from the missions.
because they brought back a rock does not give credibility to the whole mission.

You guys have to learn one thing,
The Us is so secretive, so they can feed you with rubbish and you not restraining to check it very well will bounce at it and shout very correct
while it is the wrong info


MOON LANDING IS HOAX
Even the latest travelling to the van aldrien belt , astrounants say they can see solar flares with their eyes, not to talk of been on the moon


If the space suit could protect the astronuants from radiation why is it not used during the Nuclear power station havoc.?

Antartica has rocks similar to the moon rocks? What part of -
A geochemical component called KREEP (an acronym for rocks with high abundances of potassium, rare earth elements, and phosphorus) was discovered that has no known terrestrial counterpart. Together, KREEP and the anorthositic samples have been used to infer that the outer portion of the Moon was once completely molten (see lunar magma ocean).

Almost all of the rocks show evidence for having been affected by impact processes. For instance, many samples appear to be pitted with micrometeoroid impact craters, something which is never seen on earth due to its thick atmosphere.

- do you not understand?

What moon probes? After the Apollo landing just how many moon probes were sent? the Russians definitely weren't that interested anymore after having lost the big prize. Do you know jusy how big the moon is, that satellite probes would map every part of it?

mdsocks:
You guys have to learn one thing,
The Us is so secretive, so they can feed you with rubbish and you not restraining to check it very well will bounce at it and shout very correct
while it is the wrong info

Good. So how did you 'check it very well' before jumping on the Hoax bandwagon?


Your gist about the Radiation belt is becoming very tiresome. Read this

Challenges and Responses

1. The astronauts could not have survived the trip because of exposure to radiation from the Van Allen radiation belt and galactic ambient radiation (see Radiation poisoning). Some hoax theorists have suggested that Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear testing in 1962) was a failed attempt to disrupt the Van Allen belts.

The Moon is ten times higher than the Van Allen radiation belts. The spacecraft moved through the belts in just 30 minutes, and the astronauts were protected from the ionizing radiation by the metal hulls of the spacecraft. In addition, the orbital transfer trajectory from the Earth to the Moon through the belts was selected to minimize radiation exposure. Even Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions. Dosimeters carried by the crews showed they received about the same cumulative dosage as a chest X-ray or about 1 milligray.[58] Plait cited an average dose of less than 1 rem, which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years.[12], pp. 160–162
The radiation is actually evidence that the astronauts went to the Moon. Irene Schneider reports that thirty-three of the thirty-six Apollo astronauts involved in the nine Apollo missions to leave Earth orbit have early stage cataracts that have been shown to be caused by radiation exposure to cosmic rays during their trip.[59] However, only twenty-four astronauts left earth orbit. At least thirty-nine former astronauts have developed cataracts. Thirty-six of those were involved in high-radiation missions such as the Apollo lunar missions. [60]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_accusations

that link above contains answers to all the half-baked questions you've been asking.

So i'm asking you now, don't get angry, get curious! Read the link above, start thinking for yourself!

mdsocks:
If the space suit could protect the astronuants from radiation why is it not used during the Nuclear power station havoc.?

Did you just ask that question? Sheesh! What Nuclear power station havoc? When has NASA claimed its space suits could protect humans from any level of radiation. More importantly, are you totally unaware that the space craft itself provided the main protection from Radiation in-flight?

Mdsocks, Why?

RichyBlacK:
Laugh galore!

Team A: Afam, Purist, debosky

Team B: Kobojunkie, mrpataki, texazzpete

It seems team A is routing team B.

Ah! So it's only when you dig up another quote that you'll say your usual

"Let's stick to the topic"

Keep it up, man!

PS: you do debosky and purist a great disservice to group them with Afam, a known buffoon. Definitely not birds of the same feather.

ettehgate:
@afam,
told you before and am repeating myself

THERE ARE SOME AMERICANISED NAIJAS IN THE HOUSE
THAT THE ONLY gOD THEY WORSHIP IS bush
they will support america in all they do and try to bring
NAIJA DOWN AT ALL TIMES.

ITS A PITY

Ah. Yet another acolyte for Afam and his cronies, complete with the requisite stupidity.

Yet another troll that musn't be fed.

@Afam
here's a simple challenge. show the house anywhere i've begged or solicited for an administrator role. That should be easy enough for you, right.

Believe me, the 'sir' part wasn't meant to convey respect. i'm glad, however, that you did not dispute the 'idiot' part. perhaps it's gradually sinking into your thick skull.


Graduated as an old man? lol! I finished at 21. That old in your book, eh?

Afam:
Chai!!! Wikipedia don suffer.

Can a public editable encyclopedia become a real substitute to proper knowledge or even reference to facts? I think not.

Nice try, retard, but studies have shown Wikipedia to be about as accurate as Encyclopaedia britannica on scientific issues

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2005/12/15/Wikipedia-review051215.html

Yes, it's public and editable but new edits are reviewed often.
And yes, the wikipedia entry makes reference to known facts. There's no mention of any dispute in the contents of that article.

if you had troubled yourself to scroll down you'd have seen the sources for the information. They definitely are credible.

So what's your problem, little man?

seun001:
@horus,
i guess u know your links aint there hmmm,

and i been thinking,will somebody please contact the russians or kgb on this issue abi since they are the greatest antagonist of the americans.because this argument is just going back and forth.

Your statement is a direct indictment on Nigerians and their refusal to read widely. This moon hoax story has been going on for some time now. Did you really think it's something that just cropped up?

How naive you are! Do you think the Russian KGB and GRU weren't actively involved in spying on the US space progress even in the '60s? You think the Russian Space Agency didn't scrutinize the tapes carefully, or weigh the possibility of a ruse/hoax?

You think TASS (the russian news agency) wouldn't have joyfully broadcast propaganda to high heavens if there was even the faintest sniff of a hoax? The same TASS that happily bashed the US during the failed Iran rescue attempt,  the Vietnam war and the Bay of Pigs fiasco?
Do you even have any idea the humiliation the Soviet Union suffered through on being beaten to second-place? It's EXACTLY like how the entire US was thrown into a somber mood when Yuri Gagarin first orbited the earth.


That would have been the first question anyone of intelligence should have asked himself before even lending ears to the whole hoax theory.

If these brains represent the present crop of intelligent Nigerians, then we might as well pack it in.

_{imagine someone saying we should inform the KGB on a matter that was a great humiliation to the Soviet Union over 30 years ago, during the height of the cold war}

mdsocks:
@skyope
nobody here is generalising , we are just debating on the fact that they do not have the technical capabilities to go to the moon in the 60's

And where exactly did that 'fact' come from? What research did you do?

And enough with that 'radiation belt' bullcrap. You said technical capabilities, huh? Now show some research you've done into the capababilties of the Saturn V rocket and the accompanying Lunar Module.

Here's a starting point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program

Mdsocks, you claim to be a geologist, eh? Now read this

Apollo returned 381.7 kg (841.5 lb) of rocks and other material from the Moon, much of which is stored at the Lunar Receiving Laboratory in Houston.

In general the rocks collected from the Moon are extremely old compared to rocks found on Earth, as measured by radiometric dating techniques. They range in age from about 3.2 billion years old for the basaltic samples derived from the lunar mare, to about 4.6 billion years for samples derived from the highlands crust.[25] As such, they represent samples from a very early period in the evolution of the Solar System that is largely missing from Earth. One important rock found during the Apollo Program was the Genesis Rock, retrieved by astronauts James Irwin and David Scott during the Apollo 15 mission. This rock, called anorthosite, is composed almost exclusively of the calcium-rich feldspar mineral anorthite, and is believed to be representative of the highland crust. A geochemical component called KREEP (an acronym for rocks with high abundances of potassium, rare earth elements, and phosphorus) was discovered that has no known terrestrial counterpart. Together, KREEP and the anorthositic samples have been used to infer that the outer portion of the Moon was once completely molten (see lunar magma ocean).

Almost all of the rocks show evidence for having been affected by impact processes. For instance, many samples appear to be pitted with micrometeoroid impact craters, something which is never seen on earth due to its thick atmosphere. Additionally, many show signs of being subjected to high pressure shock waves that are generated during impact events. Some of the returned samples are of impact melt, referring to materials that are melted in the vicinity of an impact crater. Finally, all samples returned from the Moon are highly brecciated as a result of being subjected to multiple impact events.

Considering the fact that the unmanned moon probes have only ever succeeded in grabbing a few grams of moon samples, how did these samples come about.

As to why the US hasn't gone back, what could be gained by going back just yet? Don't forget that the Saturn V rocket is much more powerful than any other rocket booster the US has created since then. After the end of the Apollo program the US (and Russia) have concentrated on low-earth orbit systems. The innovative Shuttle program started soon after and that in itself is EXTREMELY expensive, yet more rewarding (i.e in Satellite Deployment, ISS)

pcmecom:
The ufo phenomenon has been with mankind for centuries,the American and british government deny their existence but the fact still remains,are they for real,I need answers to this question?anyone please?

Why, exactly, must it be the American and British governments?

@Purist
Relax. I'm sure no-one means to antagonize you. We always welcome opinions from reasonable people, a couple of Trolls here ( I won't mention names) -

_Afam

- tend to rile up the rest of us.

Part time job? begging? Where?
I belong to innumerable number of forums and discussion groups, and nowhere else have i seen one man managing to properly administer any of them. That's why we have double-posts and crime and sex related posts in the politics section.
but then you'll know nothing about this, willya? I mean, i can't imagine your attitude and stupidity being left to stand for long on most discussion groups out there. You're given free rein to spread your insidious message of deceit, lies and hoaxes that's why you are emboldened enough to insult people intellectually superior to you.

So little minds discuss people abi? Last i checked George Bush was a person, and YOU seem to have an unhealthy obsession with him.
Were it up to you, every Nigerian would believe that Bush ate babies, killed nuns and raped kids.

you, sir, are an idiot!