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adetayo234:
Can you imagine the way you are twisting the bible to please your sensual desire? Make no image for yourself? I pity your soul. God is not an author of confusion, but God asked them to make image, not for the purpose of turning the image to a god, but for them to see him through the image. He was using that image to pass across a message, the same way the catholic church is using images to pass across a message. It is not the image, but what the image represents. You don't need to be deeply spiritual to understand this. If you still argue this point, well, I can't help you further.

As per the second point, you mixed it up. in your attempt to win an argument, you totally left the point and was uttering meaningless gibberish. Jesus mentioned Abraham in that story and Abraham even spoke. How can the dead and irrelevant be speaking if they are not alive? Additionally, Abraham told the rich man: "son, you have had your own pleasure on earth...." How could Abraham had know how the rich man lived if he wasn't aware of what was happening?

Because you are a saint on earth, with all the temptations you fall into everyday, doesnt mean that there are no siants in heaven. Dead saints are aware of everything going on here on earth. Anyone that preaches anything contrary to this is preaching heresy. And do you also know that angels intercede for Christians? If you say no, then I will be convinced you lack knowledge of the scriptures.

First, check whichever version of the Bible you have to see if God warned against making for yourself ......Did God ask you guys to make an image for Mary , Joseph , Jesus , Peter and the rest ... He said ...Make not for yourself ....In other words, until I command it don't make it and he never did command it or do you have any where he command it .... He commanded them to make the serpent image before they did. ......There is no idle word in the Bible ...Every word is there to work ....YOURSELF is not thereby as a conjunction.


See the two scripture where it was clearly stated .....


Exo 20:4....Do not make an idol for yourself, whether in the shape of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. .. and Deut 5:8.........."You shall not mak[b]e for yourself[/b] an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.



I never stated that those father's in the faith died and never lived in heaven... They died here on the earth and their spirit went back to heaven ......Our point of discourse: DEAD SAINTS DONT INTERCEDE AND ARE NOT INTERCESSORS for living saints here on the earth so that SAINT JOSEPH, PRAY FOR US prayer is not scriptural .......

From the Luke 16 you quoted copiously, you will find that the man's attempt to get a dead saints sent to his people was rebuffed and he was told that there are saints here that can INTERCEDE if they are ready to be saved: see the verse below

Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:19-31‬

adetayo234:
Are you reading your bible upside down or what? How come you don't know that God commanded them to make the snake image long after he had given the law in the old testament to Moses? What you guys don't want to agree with is that it is not the image that really matters, but what the image depicts. Does the image bring you closer to God or take you further from God?

No, you are wrong. Saints die in the body, but they live in the spirit and they are fully aware of what is going on here on earth. And yes, saints who died in Christ will continue to live in heaven. It is strange that you forgot the story of Lazarus and the rich man and you also fail to ask yourslef why Jesus mentioned father Abraham in that story; father Abraham was already dead by that time and Jesus made it look like father Abraham was aware of what was going on all the time, though he was dead. Or do you think Jesus didn't know what he was saying?

Dead saints are alive in heaven and they can intercede for Christians since they know what gos on here on earth.

What you have not understood is that God is not the author of confusion .... He expressly commanded them to make the snake statute.... Where did you people get your own instructions from to make images for Joseph, Jesus , Mary and the others ..... The word is ....Make no image for yourself ......I will ask you to make if I want one .. how many did the apostle make for Jesus Christ , Mary and Joseph ?


Sir, every believers is a saint ...When they did their spirit returns to heaven.... I already made this clear....Equally true is that all unbeliever also live forever, in the spirit which goes to the devil in hell fire.

Lazarus and the rich fool... The man asked for a message to be sent from heaven to his family in the earth and was refused because there are enough living saints here in the earth to do that which he wanted some by those in heaven ...Abi no be so you see am for your Bible ... Paraphrase am for me from your own Bible ....There is no where saints in heaven intercessors with your relationship with God ....Only Christ Jesus died for you and only him is your mediator .... There is no pray for us saint in heaven ...Intercessors are living here on the earth

Nofuckgiven:
Yet you bow down to your pastor and keep pictures of Jesus in your home. Stop blabbering about what you know nothing about. I don't argue with people who don't seek to know a reason behind a particular ideology.

You are wrong, I don't have any physical picture other than the one already imprinted by the word about the Lord, in my house ... I am his image ...As for the reason you can do well to educate me where you got the reason to kiss sculptures made by even sinners .... Princess Diana ...Read Acts 19

mapist:
Lmao..revere your pastor? That's it. You win.

Ok bro ..Wait in line to Revere your cement and iron rod sculptures, cheers

dainformant:
Source; https://www.nationalhelm.co/2017/08/ozubulu-massacre-chief-nnamdi-ikegwounwu-ebubechukwuuzo-ozubulu.html

See previous thread about his philanthropic duties here >>>> https://www.nairaland.com/3490456/see-house-ozubulu-man-building

They got there and learnt that he had left and opened fire on worshipper believing he was there...... Just drop us before we get confused

mapist:
Well, what about followers of pentecostal churches who buy objects that carry the images of their GO and revere such? What would you call that? Revere the images of God or the images of man, choose one? You can now see you shot yourself in the leg?

Which image is that of God ... Your Bible says no man has seen God ..How did you know that the image is that of God who you have not seen....Besides, it makes sense to even revere that of your pastor rather than unknown art work and particularly that guy that starred in the Jesus of Nazareth movie that was shot in the 70s that has become image of worship, for we are all gods... The scripture, twice , stated that we are god's but die like the heathen because of ignorance.... Jesus said it himself, ...It is written in your law and I have said it, ye are gods

adetayo234:
God commanded the Israelites to make a graven image in the wilderness and told them that only those who look at that image will be healed. So, what do you have to say to that? Between graven image of snake and graven image of Mary, kindly tell me the difference.

And who told you saints are dead? How well do you even read your Bible?

God commanded and the very reason he said , make no graven image for yourself..... Every Christian is a saint who must died at a point in time ...Those whonhave died includes Peter , James , John , etc ...They once lived here in the earth and died and their spirit returned to base .....Did your Bible tell you that saints don't die or that saints is a title for a special class of Christians that you guys turns into intercessors.

Efechy:
. Bro dnt b decived churches/gatherings dis days re dia 2 misleal pple dnt b decieved, dey teach tins dat tell u dat witout dem u knt go 2 heaven on ur own no mata hw hard u try. B warned nd alert so u dnt misstep . May God help us all nd show us d right way.

Which church you go where they say without them you cant go to heaven ...And drop me there and go your way with this your lie

adetayo234:
Do you have any evidence that the catholic church regards any other book above the Bible? Be sensible enough to provide an answer

Their practices don't show them as living within the confines of the Bible.. example is the erectiin of images and dedication of same to dead saints

Diamondwriter:
I don't get all these talk about tongues and prophesy as the Pentecostal style.
Almost all the priests I have worshipped with do these things and they are still Catholics.
No label whatsoever.

Almost all. You know you are lying ... Priest speaks in tongue during mass or in private

adetayo234:
Actually, I don't know what this man meant by "lack of freedom". I am a catholic and I have no restriction to freedom in the way I serve God. I am free to pray loud, speak in tongues, study the scriptures and make my way right with God. I guess the priest needs a woman to warm his bed and nothing more than that.

You don't know so hold your fire ...He is a priest and a very prominent one...You are just a communicant ,as they call your category of Catholics... He alone knows his story and he has made it clear it has nothing to do with women because he was well aware of the celibacy regulations before entry into the priesthood. .... Besides, don't make the celibacy issue looks like a screen from heaven .. Peter had a wide while he was here and you guys claims he is the first pope of your church ... Jesus knew if for he visited his home to meet this mother in law sick....And yet chose him as the coordinator of the church

BiafranBornBoy:
Maybe the church wants him to stop the outreach, in Catholic Church of a priest runs a private ministry it will in many ways survey the minister's spiritual power and activities and if it eventually fails the church will definitely close the ministry up. Probably this is case of Mr Edet.

God bless the Church

His ministry is a thriving one in Uyo...Well received by the people with testimonies following.....By the way, how many ministry has been closed in the past that you know about

Judithume:
He is only trying to own a church or be a general over seer of his ministry which he can't do as a Catholic priest. It all boils down to luxurious lifestyle.

Mbaka and Ede are both priest and are equally CEO of their ministry ... He would thrive better under the catholic banner if business and wealth was his core reason or you no read say him get many members majority of whom are most likely to be parishioners.

Nofuckgiven:
Father Edet has always been one of my favorite Holyghost priests. Just like Father Mbaka before he started delving into politics and material things. I do not know if Father Edet is leaving to pursue financial wealth or because of the Catholic church's doctrines but all in all humans are naturally greedy and most would opt for a wealthy status than spiritual growth. Anyways let God be the judge. Its so funny that people who have never entered a Catholic Church or attended a service or know anything about them are always the ones to wag their tongues and spew trash about the Church. Yet the Catholic church still has more population than any other denomination without any advert like most Pentecostal churches.
I believe denomination won't take anyone to heaven but personal relationship with God,I have been to many churches like Christ Embassy,Winners,Redeeemed, even Cherubim and Seraphim and I can boldly say that when it comes to hearing the word of God and spiritual growth,none comes close to the First and true church;Catholic.
Like someone once said,'Christianity is not a religion but a way of life'. Everyone has their own way of expression. No defined or specific method apart from the Bible and even that has been distorted and translated into different versions to suit different denominations.


Even your catholic version says you should not make any image for yourself after the likeness of anything under, in or above the heaven and yet it is the order of the day in your church ... Is that spirituality or disobedience which are found only in children of perdition ... The beginning of spirit driven life is absolute obedience to the word of God as recorded in the scripture... Image adulation must not be found in you

Even your catholic version of the so called distorted Bible says you should not make any image for yourself after the likeness of anything under, in or above the heaven and yet it is the order of the day in your church ... Is that spirituality or disobedience which are found only in children of perdition ... The beginning of spirit driven life is absolute obedience to the word of God as recorded in the scripture... Image adulation must not be found in you

mapist:
Gathered much gut and gullible followers.

I wonder why the church lowers it's standards these days; if you are not good enough, then you are simply not good enough. There is absolutely no need to lower any standard.

It is the priest that is upping their standard through revelations ...The church standard has remained static.. go to mass, pray to a dead saint to help you pray to God , baptised your members with sprinkler, construct and persist images all over the church premises and allow societies to be formed as follower of those persons the images represents who gather at it foot to pray and hope meetings



You guys are quick to spew nonsense about gullible followers but in truth if is the catholic church that is home to the largest numbers of gullible so called Christians ....Just like the ex priest stated, they are so lazy they don't even ask pertinent questions regarding they believe ...Speaking in tongue and healing service makes him unpriest like even though that is actually the works Christian S are commissioned to do. ... Do you know now religion became the centre point of catholic church...Or you reckon , pope was a Christian title, do you that it was somebody down the line of the catholic church that introduced image into the church, that if was never originally part of the church.

Agimor:
What happened to the evangelical counsel you swore? From his submission being a priest is akin to confinement and you can't own private jet like the pentecostal counterparts and live a luxury life.

The confinement he stated is spiritual sir..... He can't ask his congregation to pray to dead saints to help them get across to God against what the scripture says that we have just one mediator of the new covenant ...Jesus Christ

TheLordIsGr8:
Lets watch and see. I hope he doesn't start amassing wealth like all the other "men of God".

He can 'amass' wealth was a Priest if that was issue but from his statement, it is more than worldly attainments

nattyGENT:
GBAM!!! He finished his plans sinnnncce, but waited to explode when he has gathered much gut. He was a conditional Catholic priest. He never knew what the future held for him.

In all, I pray the will of God prevails

Same statement you will make when Mbaka, Ozele lpthatnhas been hunted for years , leaves but for now, they are still good priest because they are suffering and smiling in public like all is well

obicentlis:
Mr Edeth, you are not the first priest to resign from The Church and you can't be the last. Your arrogance to the authority is what led you out. The church is structured in humility and obedience, whoever that lacks this, can't be a leader. You are not greater than Fr. Mbaka and can't be greater than other priests with special grace that are still under the authority of their Bishops.


BTW, none forced you to be a priest, if not for anything, appreciate the church that gave you a ladder.

Your arrogance is appalling .... And it is arrogance that stems from utter ignorance

GreatUniben:
There are other priests that wants to leave too. If the church is not careful more priests will leave before the end of this year. The Catholic Church no more pay attention to its people and priests, the church now pay attention to more money and the priests pay attention to luxury. There are still many more priests like Rev. Edet that is nursing that same idea. We pray for our priests and religious that God will make them more holy and know the essence of their calling through Christ our Lord.

Getting more ' Holy, is at the root of his leaving the catholic church

chilewenwam:
[b]I want to go to heaven when I die, in this context means[b] there is a life He wants to live but being a Catholic Priest restrict him from living it eg of live Priest can't live is having a wife. And He saying that He feels guilt whenever He lives the life tells you its something "Unpriestly"
Let God be the Judge

You mean you left the more important thing he said to manufacture your own.... He said...As a priest, a box is built for you to fit into and any attempt to know God beyond the prescribed one brings you in direct conflict with the catholic church ... He already dealt with the issue of wife when he said he didn't give up marriage for a remote controlled religion ...You mongo see that part

Liftkid:
Just this morning, during 6 am mass at st philps Catholic church Ozubulu Anambra state, Gumen invaded The church killing more than 150 people.



story had it that they were looking One rich man popularly know as Bishop a south African based from the town who built the new church


at the mortuary now but we aint allowed to take pictures


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbTvgtHxxa0

That story no make sense because the man can't be sleeping in the church because he built it

[quote author=GoldNiagara post=59202914][/quote]The picture says the Sam was I have stated ... It is still under construction

ashjay001:
Thanks, u try.

The nigga I'm trolling says tank farm n jetty are one n d same?! He needs ur explanations, more than I do.

A jetty doesnt necssarily/strictly have to do with petroleum products only!? A jetty makes it easier for a ship to berth, and vary in sizes.

Yes, my brother. He was narrowing the meaning and equating it to a tank farm/ depot

ashjay001:
Oti ya were ri!?

I can see d kind of quality education u're getting n d kind of biz u're involved in?! No lele! Knock urself out!

Equating jetty n tank farm?! E no go better for d person wey do u d thing!

Jetty=Tankfarm?? How d heck did u arrive at that?!

Every tank farm is connected to a jetty from whence products are discharged into their tank farm. Some tank farms don't own jetty but have arrangements that allows them use of that other depots for a fee....Even if you have you Ares till going to charge that fee for tax purposes.