₦airaland Forum

Kingbenn:
The quest for power has turned siblings into adversaries, what a pity! May the Lord deliver this generation from these rubbish attitudes.

This generation?



Are you saying squabbling for power started with the recent generation?

Something that's been happening since time immemorial

Interesting.

Meanwhile MC Oluomo has emphatically clarified that it will not stop collecton of NURTW fees.

So more burden for the average Lagosian trying to survive.

By the way, Lagos state is the run with so much opacity that nobody knows exactly what goes on with its finances year in year out.

And what happened to all the BRT buses Ambode imported in a bid to phase out rickety danfos from Lagos? They're still rotting away at the ports?

Only God can deliver that state from the chokehold of godfathers.

So this thread has made it clear that issues of 1966 are still kind of unresolved and is a major reason why northerners may not want an Igbo man at the helm of affairs in the country. This means that the nation has actually not healed and those cracks can easily be reopened by a clannish president such as the one currently in power.

The matter of Igbos not being politically astute or being unlucky with their political calculations is also another good point. Although it can be argued that for all the political sagacity of the North and West, Nigerians have only become worse off and the country was recently named the poverty capital of the world. Also, I'm not sure of the political calculations that the South South did before GEJ was voted as president. But yea, the point is still relevant.

Every other issue that has been raised about how Igbos are proud and insult their hosts and the load of other trifles are not good enough reasons for not wanting to vote an Igbo man for president. The simple reason they aren't cogent enough is cos other tribes are as well guilty of anything you accuse Igbos of in this regard and have had their people voted by Igbos. We've had violence perpetrated against us several times in the past by mobs in the North but it didn't stop us from voting northerners. We've also faced insults and all sort of stereotyping by the westerners but it didn't stop us from voting Obasanjo in the past.

I think I've learnt a few things on this thread and I thank everyone who has contributed meaningfully. The rest of your ethnic bigots can go fûck yourselves.

Finally, the moderators on this section have been very disappointing. People hurling insults at other tribes (on both sides) and there's been no attempt to ban them or remove those posts. I guess it is what it is.

Cheers everyone.

NapoleonHill:
I'm actually sorry you because you seem to know everything already and your thread wouldn't be necessary at all. You cannot determine for others what their reasons or otherwise should be to vote or not vote for an Igbo man. The beauty of democracy is that I don't owe you an explanation and people will make their choices as you continue to be an onlooker.

Lol.

It beats me how you can say all this nonsense with a straight face.

I hope you're enjoying your Nigeria the way it is with steady power supply, low crime rates, World class infrastructure and health sector, etc.

Beauty of democracy my foot.

Democracy without any visible sign of progress. All the gains that have been made since 1999 you airheads reversed it in the name of spiting Igbos now who's suffering?

Oga there's a few sane people that have contributed meaningfully to the thread as to reasons why it may be so and I acknowledged such.

You can make your decisions and choices as you said, but if its stupid and incoherent, I also reserve the right to tell you that it is.

This will be my last reply to you if you like cry blood.

IGBOSON1:
Some of these responses are hilarious!

One would have thought, given that Igbos (being adjudged to have all these ‘negatives’ by smug, ‘saintly’, holier-than-thou analysts who come from ‘good’ ethnicities Igbos should learn good moral conduct and how to ‘play politics’ from )....given that the ‘bad’ Igbos have left the presidency for these smart alecs since 1966 and that Nigeria has been doing things their way since then, one would have thought the country would have been a united, peaceful and happy first-world El-Dorado by now and mentioned in the same breath with the likes of Singapore and UAE! Is this the case!?

It's a freaking comedy show all around.

They keep harping on Igbos being politically naive and I wonder what good all the political acumen of the North and West and Middle belt has done for their regions considering the fact that in most Human Development Indices, the East is even faring relatively better than them.

It's a sorry case all round.

GuyfawkesAB:
The qualities you enumerate as being the Igbo man's strength are actually his undoing in the Nigerian political space. The notion of being republican and not easily regimented behind a leader keeps fueling the superiority complex of an average Igbo man. This attitude has prevented him from being able to make calculated decisions, long term alliances and future projections that will favour their foray into national politics. All the 'We are Republican in nature', 'Igbo ewe ron'eze', 'We are the best tribe' and more gets you to do is make rash and uncalculated political choices; blinds you to project into the future and make alignments towards your goal, and present yourself as sagacious. This also makes you denigrate others who have a strong sense of leader-follower systems. You abuse them, mock them and make them look primitive and stupid because they don't do things the way you perceive is the best and smartest.

As long as you haven't been cured of the ideology of not submitting to any single man's leadership, you can't have it smooth politically. Your politicians will find it difficult to keep a support base, no matter how loyal they are. That ideology helped sustained your clannish and age group system of existence before the arrival of colonialism. The world has moved on very far and all over, people are choosing leaders and supporting them to chart the way for their development.

Self-help might work for you in business and in developing your towns, but it has also made you politically docile, and that why your region has some of the most incompetent political office holders who can gladly loot the treasury with little or not opposition because those he ought to deliver the dividends of democracy to are by themselves providing these amenities and still beating their chest that they were able to do so by themselves without government help.

Lmao.

What a load of tripe!

You talk as if there's any region in Nigeria that has actually enjoyed the dividends of democracy.

It's same story all around the nation so spare me your sanctimonious BS please.

My question is just an attempt to get people to actually tell why they'd never vote an Igbo man not that voting an Igbo man will actually have any much impact on the general citizenry cos the structure of the country means it is designed to fail.

Igbos actually value true leaders not criminals and kleptomaniacs posing as leaders.

You're definitely a subservient human being and my culture frowns against being subservient to anyone except God and one's parents.

Good day!

NapoleonHill:
If you're an Igbo person, you're about the calmest and most analytical I've seen on this space in a long time. This is the way to engage a conversation but your kinsmen don't have the emotional intelligence, sorry to say, to make such engagement.

That said, I want to inform you that what you call mere banters are, in fact, not so. They form the core and basis of what eventually goes to play in reality. They influence, ignite, and trigger people even in their daily activities with other tribes. The truth is, these banters are popular opinions among tribes and may not be overlooked at all.

So emotional intelligence is exclusive to which tribe in your parochial mind? Sorry for yourself chief, since you're uncivilised and cannot rise above primordial sentiments.

And even if those stereotypes amount to perceived reality for most Nigerians, I will not agree thatits enough reason to not want to vote an Igbo man for president.

It has to be something more sinister at work.

Apparently, fools on both sides of the argument have overrun the thread.

If above has any reasonable input please mention the original post and I will try to respond.

So far, there's not been any reasonable cause of the irrational fear for an Igbo presidency (except the 1966 saga which I addressed after someone raised it as a comment).

Lalasticlala what do think?

I believe its high time this discussion is had let's even understand what people's fears are.

It is clear from the thread so far that most of the fears are irrational/unfounded or outright rubbish.

JOemmy:
It's actually envy that they have allowed to turn into hate and fear of the igbo man the only solution still remains either restructuring or the outright division of nigeria any other thing is just prosponing the evil day cause it's very obvious to even the blind that the three major ethnic groups in nigeria will always be suspicious of each other and can never trust themselves even in a million years time.

I don't know.about envy but I agree with the remaining parts of your statement.

It seems either a national reconciliation or return to regionalism will be a viable solution to the suspicions and distrust of Igbos by other ethnic groups. I believe this distrust isn't mutual as you inferred because Igbos have voted northerners and westerners time and time again.

bjdon:
I think an Igbo man can do very well in the North, if he has a good VP candidate AND has built a network of influential supporters. I admit it won't be easy, the legacy of 1966 still runs VERY deep in the North, but time has moved on, and Buhari has been such a massive failure to the extent that many northerners are now ready to vote for anyone who is going to provide competent leadership.
My further advice to the SE, is to focus on the PDP. ACP will never give the ticket to the SE, it's either going to the SW or staying in the North. PDP is a diffrent matter. The SE have paid their dues in that party and can rightly demand that's its now their turn. They should make it clear to the North, that if the PDP ticket is zoned to the North, the SE will NOT vote PDP in 2023.

Don't understand why you're talking about PDP and APC when the fact remains that most Nigerians, especially northerners, seem to abhor even the idea of an Igbo man being president, maybe the issue of 1966 is the reason but is it good enough?

Time will tell as it does for all things.

mrvitalis:
Truth is this being loud and egotistic is how are e motivate ourselves ...it gingers we Igbos but other people find it intimidating

We can't because of them and stop motivating ourselves na

We see hustling as war against poverty and when u go for war you brag beat your chest to keep you motivated then you show off to gingers your comerades that it's a war that can be won

How others see it is their bleeping business

The day they stop buying or patronising our business because of it then we go reason am ...the hate and envy they increase money


Hate Igbo all u want ..when you won build house , repair car, eat , buy dress , phone , ...some how somehow u go still give Igbo man your money tell am thank you on top

Look, I'm a bona-fide Igbo man to be clear.

This is where we need to learn from other ethnic groups, especially Yoruba. We have to learn to modify our behaviours to accommodate others. This doesn't mean you're changing for anyone but is a way of winning people over.

This egotistical attitude leads us nowhere and only attract more disaffection that quite frankly we have had enough of.

I rest my case.

9gerian:
With the north, it appears to be because of the first coup of 1966 that was seen as an attempt by Igbos to dominate Nigeria politically by killing other tribes’ leaders, while protecting theirs. This of course is wrong as it cannot be attributed to the Igbos as a people, but some Igbo officers made that very indefensible and costly error. This resulted in the coup (that was said to have been initially welcomed by most Nigerians) being eventually tagged as an Igbo coup after more facts emerged.

Also, Azikiwe had in the past eulogized how Igbos were born to lead Africa. Ahmadu Bello had clarified that the northern region will not allow Igbo domination in their region, hence the back and forth suspicion by both tribes.

Every other factor appears to be additional. For instance, the counter coup was said to have been accelerated by Aguiyi Ironsi’s collapse of the regional governments into a central one. The northern officers and politicians were said to have seen that action as another attempt by Igbos to dominate the north especially since they were not as educated to occupy most of senior positions in central civil service. This may have have exacerbated the quota system that was to later impact the Nigerian civil service, and the entire nation abysmally.

Bottom line is that there is palpable suspicion from and against the Igbos ever since the first coup, and counter coups, that led to killings of major northern leaders, mass killings of Igbos, and eventually the civil war.

With other tribes, Igbos appear to remain bitter about the events of the civil war and their losses. So they continue to verbally assault other tribes that were seen as having contributed to their loss of the war, most especially the Yorubas, and other tribes that supported the Federal Military Government of Yakubu Gowon. This has made every other tribe in Nigeria a potential enemy of the Igbos.

More recently, the unrest and activities of armed groups in the southeast and their attacks of security operatives continue to suggest all sorts about the real intentions of the Igbos.

Perhaps Igbos must be willing to forgive and accept the forgiveness of other tribes to douse the animosity and enable them to be voted to lead the nation.

Very good commentary on the discuss at hand.

So in other words there needs to be a sort of national reconciliation so that all sides can air their grievances and perhaps find some sort of healing, and we can all move one from the bitter events of 1966 and beyond?

I also think it is worth mentioning that even before 1966 that there have been quite a few riots that resulted in Igbos in particular and southerners in general being target for violence. Hence, I'm of the opinion that the animosity and suspicions most likely predate the events of 1966.

Also, the fact that BH, whose intentions are somewhat similar to IPOB (both sects are somewhat accepted by some of the people in the regions where they operate and both want a country of their own) exists in the core north did not make other Nigerians not to vote core Yaradua or Buhari, who by the way seems to be sympathetic to Fulani bandits.

bjdon:
I think there is a massive sense of victimhood among the Igbos. Everything is about people 'doing something to them' The simple truth is there is nothing remarkable about the fact that an Igbo person has not yet won the presidential election in NIgeria since 1999. If we look at from the angle of the 6 geo political zones, it is not only the SE that have not produced a president, the same is the case for the NC and NE.

The SW took a strategic choice to align with the SW and it paid off for them. The SE did the same and aligned with the NE in 2019 but it did not pay off. If Atiku and Peter Obi had won in 2019, the SE would not be complaning today. Politics is a zero sum game, you win or you loose. The Igbo should stop taking it personal, stop being emotional and instead look to build the right aliances that will get them what they want.

First I will ignore your victimhood statement as it lacks any substance.

As for the main body of your comment, you have a very good point although using Atiku as an example is way off cos I'm talking about other ethnicities actually voting an Igbo man for president.

And when I'm talking here it's from the angle that of the three major ethnic groups in Nigeria, an Igbo man has never been elected president in the history of Nigeria.

I agree to an extent that maybe it does depend on political alliances and strategy but that does not give the whole picture.

Using your Atiku example, do you think Obi would have garnered more than a few thousand votes in the North if here were to be the one running for President and Atiku his vice?

mrvitalis:
Lmao the more they cut it the more independent Igbo nation become ...win win no matter what

Which policy can they do ..we can shift from production to importing smoothly ask erisco ...sha dangote tomatoes never die ...u can't fight Igbo man n win ...

Ibeto is coming back strong he just rearranging his production capacity ...his wealth stored abroad ...what can dey do now
.. nothing

Lol.

Truth is the Igbos man's work ethics and business acumen is something that needs to be emulated across board.

Igbos try to turn every situation, no matter how bad, to an advantage.

That said, I believe Igbos need to be more modest and less egotistical so as to accommodate other Nigerians whose cultures and values are very different to theirs.

Cheers.

sirp9898:
Whether it is u or not start the campaign against insults in nairaland and Nigeria

You should try a career in comedy.

I will be ignoring the few assholes who came here with hate and bile in their hearts.

If you have good reasons or fears please engage in a civil manner and let's discuss.

mrvitalis:
I'm not a politician let them.play their game
We the Igbo middle class just need to milking Nigeria

Fair enough.

But remember that if the lopsidedness continues, the cow that you're milking can be targeted and its udder cut off (using wicked policies).

Cheers anyways.

tiger28:
Sooo the ones daily abusing their indigene hosts about being landlords over their hosts, uttering word's like "no man's land'[every nook and crany in Africa has an indigene, having FREE ACCESS to these places as a Nigerian doesn't make you an indigene, same way a hausa cannot say he is an indigene of Aba].........The igbos are JUST in all these places in NIgeria for SURVIVAL from hunger and NOT for patriotism abeg!!!

The average Igbo man goes about his business and respects the indigenes of the land. He goes about adding value to any society where he finds himself and also assimilate as much as possible.

The Igbos who do what you said are idiots and not a significant number when you compare to the ones who don't.

So I maintain that it is not a good enough reason to perpetually refrain Igbos from steering the affairs of a country where they are a major ethnic group (one of 4 or 5).

DubaiLandLord:
Are you trying to say the PDP and APC to microzone to the South East? Cause am not understanding.

Lol.

If you're not very discerning then you might not understand.

The subject of the thread and my last question should make the reason for this thread clear to a discerning mind.

mrvitalis:
Nah Nigerians need Igbos to be president more than Igbos needs Nigerian presidency

Igbos should never beg for approval ..we are the biggest beneficiary of the present Nigeria system ..let it continue

Being more diplomatic, especially when it comes to political issues, doesn't equate to begging for approval.

sirp9898:
Then
Start the campain by not adding insults in all your comments and encourage others to do same.

Lol.

I created this thread chief.

You are confusing me with the guy who you quoted in the first instance.

sirp9898:
Chairman
I respect your opinions but don't acept them if is against me. We should behave and talk in a civilise way not putting insults in all your comments.
I hope nairaland is not full of kpako children who talk and do things anyhow because that is how they are brought up.

The reason I opened this thread is to try to actually have a civil discuss on this very sensitive issue.

But alas, bigots and halfwits (on both sides) are here already with their contempt and I've been reporting them as they come.

It's unfortunate that a proper discussion cannot be had anymore on this forum without insults.

mrvitalis:
U want to know the truth ?

Igbos are already too successful for Nigerians liking and they achieved this with Nigeria state against their interest most times ....so what would Igbos become when u hand them power of state for 8 years ....

They see it as too much advantage

Brother this is not a time for boasting.

While I understand what you're trying to say, I do not necessarily agree.

It is this kind of boasting that makes other Nigerians detest Igbos sometimes (although I think the disaffection is somewhat irrational and extreme).

Tone it down a bit.

Cheers.

Aufbauh:
I can see that you're not critical nor analytical in your reasoning. Probably you have a preconceived opinion about your inquest.

When has integration or migration implies patriotism? I can see that you were triggered by Ohaneze's hypothetical assertion.
The fact that you have Igbos living in every nooks & crannies of Nigeria does not translate Nationhood believe or patriotism. They're just there for livelihood. The same way they're spread across Ghana, Togo, SA and other countries.

Try to reason like an adult, do you know that someone can still live in your house & still hate or detest you?

They're just there for livelihood?

To the extent that they raise kids, inter marry, build houses and even have second generations there?

For all you huff and puff you haven't said what patriotism means to you?

You're likely one of those who think shouting one Nigeria at every opportunity is being patriotic, even with glaring injustice and nepotism.

You're notorious for your views on Igbos anyway so this is my last reply to you.

Some of you are already showing your vile; as expected.

Any hideous comments will be reported and hopefully the mods do their jobs.

Grayoso:
OP, you have your answer in the response above. Other Nigerians don't like Igbos and never will as long as the average Igbo has the mindset of the douchebag above.

Nigerians tolerate you but they don't like you because of your arrogance and insultive disrespect, based on nothing and totally unwarranted, towards them.

Even a spare part hustler in Ladipo, barely getting by, will be bragging Igbos "own" Lagos.

You are tolerantly supported and allowed to thrive in Lagos in the SW and far from your barren SE enclave. Yet how do you pay back your hosts? With enmity and demeaning insult.

Meanwhile , we don't hear ingrate noise from the more than 100 ethnic groups in Lagos to include successful ones like Edos etal.

Only Igbos will be insulting Yorubas that they" "own" Lagos and have turned Yorubas to slaves in their own land when those statements are ridiculous lies any sane person should be ashamed to tell.

You won't question your folks for having such a troublemaking and offensive mindset.

Instead you start threads like this where you pretend to be the victim of discrimination.

Your thread is mischievous and indicts you as insincere because, if honest to yourself, you should know the annoying behavior of your own people that makes them difficult to like let alone support to lead other Nigerians.

We all saw what you made of the Jonathan Presidency when he is actually Ijaw. You vindictively demanded everyone else, especially Yorubas and Fulanis, be excluded, marginalised, oppressed and punished. You demanded the Presidency be used as a tool to satisfy your lust for vengeance against others.

What will you then demand if an actual Igbo is President? How can Yorubas and Fulanis, for example, ever support an Igbo to be President when you have shown your hands of ethnic bigotry and hate to them uncountable times?

Yes I agree that some Igbos can be very boastful and is full of himself especially when he's successful.

I also agree that denigrating other ethnic groups is unacceptable and I mentioned this in another comment that this can cause disaffection (even though Igbos also received their fair share of this denigration).

However, should this be the reason for intense hate to the extent of targeting them during riots or an Oba threatening their entire existence?

Every ethnic group has a stereotype and some form of weakness or Achilles heel that others really dislike (for example I could talk about Yorubas being cunning and not standing for principles or the Idoma/Ijaws being drunks - however these are mainly stereotypesthat do not necessarily hold as truth).

Talking about ethnic bigotry, we all know that all ethnic groups in Nigeria are guilty of this and this didn't make one group refuse to vote another based off of their ethnicity alone.

The part about Jonathan's administration is pure nonsense so I won't bother to comment on it.

aribisala0:
Eboes have inferiority complex and com pensate for that feeling with empty and noisy boastfulness
A so called superiority complex is just the other side of the same coin.
Anyone who knows Eboes well know they do this even among themselves. Chronic jealousy, bad mouth and bad mouthing are very common and typical traits even when relating with other Eboes

You obviously have an intense dislike or hate for Igbos so much that you try to sound as denigrating as possible at any given chance.

All those things you mentioned can be found in every tribe so you don't have any good reason for your crass behaviour.

May you find healing.

aribisala0:
Let us have the Eboe candidate first and see whether Nigerian will vote for them
How did OBJ win the primaries? What you are suggesting now is not on record as happening i.e GIFT YOU candidacies of the two main parties> So you claim is dishonest

FIRST WIN THE TICKET

OBJ was not gifted the ticket
He contested against Ekwueme


It is on record that Eboes voted against Abiola so what are you saying stop trying to twist facts

Yes many Igbos voted against Abiola simply because he was a crook who actually sponsored a number of military coups.

The Igbos generally don't support crooks for national positions, the same way someone like Orji Uzor Kalu or Rochas will be roundly rejected by Igbos if they ever contested for any national leadership position.

It is not primary elections that determine who becomes president but that rhe candidate must win in 2/3 of the states in the federation.

You don't have any cogent reason man.

Try again.

Munamoqel:
the integration is economic and strategy to maximize the opportunity the foreign land offer(only ) while still looking at the contented host as mumu .it not only within. Nigeria but West Africa and now south Africa .an igbo man was sentence to life in prison in South Africa for kidnapping young girl ,raping them drug them and selling them to brothel clients .Who does that in a foreign land in the name of hustle (smartness ) this world view of thing is totally unacceptable.persons that became clothed in less than 200 years ago cannot be assume to be more smart and Superior to 1000 year bornu empires ,Benin empires that where clothed and have standing army to raid and expand empires . recently I learnt from Reno written that igbo where former slaves in the Benin empires and where the slaves that built the great Benin wall and form bulk of the slaves ship to America .I think is inferiority complex has been the distorting Gene in the igbo man behaviour and arrogance.

You're definitely not worth engaging on such a serious topic.

I thought I was discussing with a normal human being.

Now run along.

Aufbauh:
The simple reason is that we've seen through their actions and words that they're are Democratic in nature.
They have shown over the time that they lack most of the Democratic tendencies to govern a multiethnic and multi religious country like Nigeria.

Again we don't really know what they want going by their disposition. Today it's Biafra or death, then tomorrow it's Nigeria president.

Also they are the least patriotic tribe in Nigeria to be entrusted the highest office of the nation.

You are repeating the same mantra that I've tackled in my OP.

If Igbos are still living and carrying out their businesses in other parts of Nigeria, even in the heavily terrorised North where they are targets of over religious zealots, isn't that proof enough that they are deeply embedded in the Nigeria project?

What is your measure of patriotism? Is it by mouthing it or actually putting systems in place to ensure that justice and meritocracy is practised in all spheres of the nation?

Your reasons aren't quite cogent man. Try again.

gidgiddy:
Despite armed Fulan herdsmen killing people across Nigeria, Nigerians had no problem electing a Fulani man like Buhari President of Nigeria

Despite OPC wrecking havoc in the South West in the 90's, killing people and driving non indigenes out, Nigerians had no problem electing a Yoruba man like Obasanjo President in the late 90's

Despite Ijaw Niger Delta militants destroying and killing people in the South South, Nigerians elected an Ijaw man called Jonathan President

It is only when it comes to Igbos that people start making unnecessary noise they did not make with others

It is quite baffling to be honest.

Nigerians of other ethnicities hold Igbos to a standard that they've never held others to, most especially their own people.