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thanks bro Abuzola, i slept well. Hows the day going?l

toba are you joking? Pls tell me your last post was an attempt at comedy

swords for cutting trees, clearing bushes, butchering animals, dining, cutting nails, shaving, scratching your back, picking your teeth. . .The sword is one hell of a versatile equipment

igbo boy:
there is only one bible guy

there are different versions/translations, and all versions are the same in context,

King James version, uses all those ancient english terminologies, like thou, saith, lordth, upon thy,

NIV, na american englsih, u know america like to be different

RSV, na another american translation

these versions are more like translation, so from original armaraic to latin and then into these translations

so no matter what version u read its still the same story u get of it,

just diff in translation eh! How can a differnce in translation cause the catholic duoay version to have 73 books and the protestant 66 books? How do i get the story of the 6 extar books if i dont read the catholic version? In short pick one, which of the two is the real bible?

mavenbox honestly i cant remember wat u talking about. Kindly refresh my memory

thank you. I now rest my case. The context has shown you quoted the verse incompletely to suit your arguemnt. Enough of the carbonated drinks!

nuclearboy looks like you are on 'carbonated' drinks  too. Just cut it and go and get yourself a Quran

nuclearboy you should be able to get hadith from any store where you will get Quran

viaro i would have simply copied and pasted the verses if was not using my fone. It will be really long to type out. Kinly post the entire context

viaro sorry!

Nuclearboy i beg u in the name of God buy that quran and read completely. And tell me if you dont hear the voice of the Lord of the Worlds. Your creator

nuclearboy:
Abu:

You know I always want to follow the truth whether Xtian or Muslim.

So tell me - what does Quran 9: verses 97 and 101 say? And also Quran 5:82? Please quote them. That is the truth because you believe the Koran. My own truth must come from what I believe, abi?

By the way, I was always asking you but you never answered -Is it Quran OR Koran?

viaro what kind of stunt are you tryng to pull here. I beg you to pls quote those verses completly if you are truthful. Only jcross and toba go for this kind of cheap fraud.

toba:
I will oblige u

Ultimately, the strongest, most serious problem of the Qur'an is that it affirms the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians as authentic and true revelation from God (cf. what the Qur'an says about the Bible), while radically denying central aspects of their message, e.g. the core themes of sacrifice and atonement in the Torah, the crucifixion of Jesus, the deity of Jesus and even the mere messianic title "Son of God" for Jesus, the very nature of God, the fall and the sinfulness of man, necessity and means of salvation, etc. For this reason Muslims had to invent the unwarranted theory of corruption of the earlier scriptures, even against the clear testimony of the Qur'an itself.

Deny the above

another of you evasive manuevers. Do you now agree that your god jesus ordered his disciple to buy real swords and not spiritual swords? This is a classical expose of your ignorance and/or insincerity

another name for the quran is Furqan (the criterion). More like a limus to test the veracity of the bible. It comfirms the unaldulterated words of God while exposing and denying the interpolations of men. On this Allah declares in the quran
'woe unto those who write the book with their own hand and claim it is from God. To traffick from it a small reward. Woe unto them for what their hands write and woe to them for what they profit therby'.

That the bible is corrupt is not new. Every bible scholar on the face of the earth admit that the bible is corrupt (thought they disagree on the level of the corruption). That is why we have over 24,000 manuscripts of which no two are the same. Have you ever heard of the codex sinaiticus (oldest manuscript)? It is far older that the codex vaticanus (upon which the modern bible is based). And guess what? It is radically differnt from what you carry around today. Why is the bibleundergoing endless revisions. What is ther to revise in the word of God if it is not corrupted. Why is it that some RSV versions have no mention of the verses realting to trinity? How come the verses relating to the acsension are not included? Or verses of where christ forgave and adultress. The list is endless. Pls do some honest research
So why are you angry that the quran is confirming an obvious truth.

@uplawal longtime, welcome back!

@abuzola do you want toba to commit suicide? This bible lesson obviously driving him nuts.

Cannibalism! These verses make a good theme for a horror film. No wonder xtians act like zombie. Effects of relentless cannibalism of their god every easter

Echo1886 is definately jcross. Always laughing like a retard

what bearing has your post to the point of this thread or the line of discussion?

Toba are you angry that i called you a dullard? But isn't it obvious! You know nothing about your bible and keep roping up yourself. Whenever you are cornerd u change direction like a robot. I have no choice but to relegate you to to the Hall of NL dumbest, topped by jcross. Now you want to quote the quran and hadiths for me when you dont even know your bible. Prepare for the worst humiliation of your life!

tanks Brother Ibrahim.

Mr Toba, it is obvious u dnt knw your bible. Pls stop embarassing yourself and shaming your christian brethrens. When you have finished studying your bible you cant come back for some real action. You are still a suckling.

I know you wont listen to my advice and will try to prove that the swords were not meant for fight. Maybe they were actually meant for eating. You dullard!

looks like Holy Spirit at work.   

toba:
Did u read vs 35? When jesus said to his disciples not to worry about anything.Jesus spoke in parables&wasnt refering to wordly sword but spiritual.If not, y didnt he tell them who to kill with d sword or to go to war with it.U lack interpretation skill my Guy

you are such an ignoramous. You dnt even knw your bible. Did you forget that they bought the swords and showed it to him and he said 'it is enough'.
Spiritual sword indeed! You guys will just say anything to escape facts. Can u imagine this fool talking about spiritual sword. They should sell spiritual garments to buy spiritual swords eh! Serioulsy i cant stand your stupidity dishonesty

New Aba Version

ok jesus did not insult her. Dog and Pig are are just pet names eh!
These christians will not kill me o! Ugo is telling us that initially God was a Unity (or maybe twinity)  before christ came and added up to form trinity. Dont you guy think!

Alhamdulilah, it was fine. Hope yours was fine too

Abu Zola:
@jarus and sir olabowale-

you didn't do justice to my question.

Even a satanist knows that killing innocent civilian is wrong,

in this scenario we are talking of killing our civilians and Allah said fight them the way they fight you.


As for suicide can anybody open the dictionary and define suicide, is suicide a sacrifice of ones life to inflict damage on the enemy ? Thank you

i diasagree with you this one. The kafirs rape or women in Bosnia and palestine. Are you saying we should do the same in revenge. We are muslims and shoul never allow the unbelivers to drag us in to their lawlessness and injustice. Allah enjoins us to 'uphold what is right and forbid what is wrong'.

can you imagine a god that created you calling you dogs and pigs!
A racist god indeed!
Now donnie is telling us that this same god abandoned the entirety of mankind except his dear jews to rot in hell until 2,000 years ago. I just luuuuv the christian god.  the guy is simply amazing, even the devil could not hav done any better!

@recognize why are you getting confused. I though this whole suicide mission was prearrainged from the beginning of time. Was he not sent to die for our sins. The guy was born and bred for the whole purpose of commiting suicide for his Daddy's amusement
too bad when the time came the guy got cold feet. But it cant be undone cos it had 'already been written in the scriptures'. He started wimping; "pls take the cup from me", "pls let it pass over me". He wimped and sobbed endlessy till the last momemt; "my God my God, why have you forsaken me". Its like a suicide bomber crying at the final moment for a mission that has been pre planned. Too bad for jesus dad just turned his face away. That is the downside of being an 'only begotten son'. At least dad might have sent a more courageoue replacement

igbo boy:
@ShdAde


yes I boldly say mohammed via his followers are resposnible for the backwardness of this country, Nigeria, What does a jihadist know about running CBN talkless of being president of Nigeria, your jihadist president talking about generating a mere 6000 mega watts of electricity he couldnt, na to spend millions on monthly hajj( abi na medical trips) he sabi,

I laugh when people keep talking about science and islam.Ok if all these scientific proofs are in the quruan it is only logical that muslims should have been the first or at least should be linked to technological breakthroughs in the world,  Apart from terrorism tell me one significant contribution of the muslim community to the world?

Finally you call murdering of people self defence? Its a fact mohammed wasnt accepted so he returned to mecca with his followers to kill those that shunned him in the begining, even if he was attacked why didnt he leave it to allah, JESUS never raised a sword on unbelievers, even when he was betrayed and Peter cut off someones ear, Jesus rebuked him for that, Muhammed led a violent life ok,

in islam blowing of someone's head that insults mohammed and then you die in the process is seen as Matayrdom, thats sick

in christianity when you are killed for your belief in Jesus then you are a Martyr (am not talking about your celeberated suicide bombers)

you are a fool. Wat good did obasanjo a born again christian do for nigeria. If you must judge religion by individual that profess it then lets talk about the like of hitler and mugabe and taylor

if you knw any history you will knw that muslims were the torch bearers of the science in the world just after the light of islam shown on them. When europe was wallowing in the dark ages the islamic world was the centre of world learning.
The first university in the world was in cairo
thr first person to earn the title 'polymath' was a muslim
algebra was invented by muslim
logarithm was invented by muslims
muslims introduces the concept of 'zero' to europe
the greatest cartographer of all time was a muslin- al idrissi
a muslim was first to study circulation of blood
the 'father of optics' is a muslim
mulims were the first to perform complex sugeries
the list is endless

the western civilization would never have been wthout what they learnt and stole from the muslims. If you have any knowledge of history (which i doubt) you will never deny this

why do you keep lying like a fool. No sensible person has ever denied the fact of history that when muhammad returned to mecca with 10,000 warriors not a single drop of blood was shed. Instead in his usual style he offered them mercry. He even went as far as allowing the unbelivers to retain their high position in government

now lets talk about kiilings. I put it to you that no other religion has ever killed in history like the christians. Charlemange converted the saxons by the sword. Have you forgotten the conquest of the jews or the bloody crusades sanctioned by pope urban (blessing the crusaders in the name of christ) or the millions of 'hertics' and 'witches' that were burnt at the stake. The only country that has ever had the heart to use nuclear weapons on civilian population is christian country. Not forgetting the 2 million people that perished during the world war 2. A war between christian nations.
Now lets go back to the endless massacare despoil and pillage that god jesus oderded moses, joshua and the likes to commited. Thou toba has  tried in futility to deny  jesus was not god of the old testament
The guy even told his disciples to buy swords (maybe you will tell me the sword were for eating)
the fact is, jesus was no coward. He was ready for a final showdown. He had to cahnge his mind when he saw the lackadiasical attitude of his disciples at the garden of gethsame.
He kept them at the gate to watch over him but they were busy dozing. He had no choice but to abandon his jihad cos his 'warriors' were of 'little faith' and too weak

church owners are more richer than bank MDs. Plenty of private jets plus no sanusi on your tail. Tithe money is sweet money! Sometimes i am tempted to open my own church and make money of fools.
A combination of the two and you are stupid rich . Just like the Medicis of europe

you guys are just simply amazing. A guy walked this earth for 33 years and never preached to a single non jew, instead he called them dogs and pigs. He also categorically stated that he was sent only to the house of isreal (am still waiting for anyone to deny he did not utter those words). Have you forgotten that before his alledged cruxifiction he proclamied 'i have finished the work you have sent me'.
Then somehow a [i]ghost [/i]appears to his disciples commanding them to preach to all nations. The interesting thing about these verses is that there are missing from most manuscripts of the bible like the Codex Sinaiticus. And have been considered as an interpolation that [i]crept [/i]into the scripts.
Playing fast and loose with the words of God eh!

Bible scholars tell us there are over 24,000 manuscripts of the bible of which no two are exactly the same! Amazing!

'woe unto those who write the book with their own hands and claim it is from God. To traffick from it a small profit. Woe unto them for what their hands write. Woe unto them for waht they profit therby'
Quran

toba:
Seeker thats a lie that jesus was sent to only israel.God sent jesus to d entire world john3:16 never mentioned israel but d world.How come u have his name mentioned in d quran or d quran was also israel?

toba, who is the liar? Me or jesus who said 'i am sent [b]only [/b]to the lost sheep of the house of isreal'
stop jittering my brother. I know it is painful that your god denied you. The truth shall set you free!

toba:
Ibrahim yes God is all knowing.But if he doesnt feel theres need to have a replacement,he would not do it.If d earlier prophets didnt fail,do u think mohammed would have come to deliver muslims from d devil? Thats what i mean.If God sends mr A&he fails,then replaces him with B.Thats how it goes till everything is made perfect by God. Note its not succession but replacement like moses failed to get to promise land cos God replaced him with Joshua who got there.

you got it all wrong. It is sucession and not replacement. For every given nation God send a prophet in the footsteps of another with a progressive message. Same way jesus came in the footstep of moses not to abolish the laws but to emphasise the spiritual aspect of the law which had given way to ritual rigidity and eye service. The interesting thing however is that none of the prophets before Muhammad has a global mission. The were only sent to their people. Jesus was sent only to isrealites just as moses was.
Jesus in his own words said 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the hosue of isreal'. Unless you want to deny that these are not his words or he lied. He made good of this declaration by not preaching to a single jew through out his entire mission. All  his choosen disciples were jews.

However Muhammed decalred a global misiion as the seal of prophets. He encompassed all the teaching of ealier prophets in a complete message to lead mankind into all truth. Among his earliest companions we have
Bilal an African
Salam a Jew
salman a Persian
Shuaib a Roman
You see, islam went global from it very origin. Close to his death, muhammad sent out emissaries to
heraculis of constantinople
negus of abasynia
king of perisia
and the ruler of egypt
invititing them all to the global message of islam. A message for all peoples for all eternity

well said Abuzola

now to the issue of the holy unholy spirit. What is holy about a spirit that whispers something to the roman catholic, a different thing to the jehova witness, another to the mormon and the anglican and the 7th day adventist and the eastern church and the C & S and the babptist such that they disagree on every thing but tithes. Yet this spirit was supposed to 'lead them into all truth'

i noticed that Aloyemeka is always in the muslim section. It appears you find islam quite intriguing but dont know how to approach it. Pls do yourselfa favor by simply buying a translated copy of the quran and studying it. Perchance, the truth might set you free!
Wish you all the best

yes, the suffering of muslims across the world in the hands of the unbelievers is unbearable. Yet we must remeber that the injustice of others can never justify our injustice. We should always ask ourselves; what will our Holy Prophet have done?. He is the very soul of justice and kindness an would never harm the innocent.

viaro:
Every religion has its own identity, and that is why Islam may not have the features you mentioned (such as speaking in tongues, prophesying, doing miracles, etc). Even some of these things are said to occur in some sects in Islam (like performing mircales), and others deny them - in just the same way that some Christians do not believe in miracles or the gift of the Holy Spirit.

sometimes, i kinda like the objectivity of your posts. should i say you are my favorite xtian on NL?