₦airaland Forum

i dont knw what it is with these Pakistanis and their quest for prophethood. First it was
ahmed ghulam and the then batulah, now we have khalifa rasheed. i have noticed that most of the spurious innovations in islan arise from pakistan.

it thought we muslims are the only one that are not fond of Dogs and Pigs.
Looks like the christian God loathes them too!

quite intriguing!

TrueSeeker:
@the_seeker, @IbrahimB

Where do you see your fact that 1.3 billion Muslim as twice as Christian population?

Evidently you are a liar, does that means Christians are just 700million in world population? is better you use your head when you are doing your cut paste posting. review it before you post it.

From your post, if evidence show Christian to be higher than muslim population that means St. Paul is evidently greater than Mohammad.
Christian population is 2.2 billion and that overthrow the ground that Hart stand on his assertion in 1978, the emerging fact now make Apostle Paul greater than Mohammad, and mind you Paul proclaim Jesus as his lord, achievement of that arab prophet did not even match that of one of Christ followers in time of proselytism, and Paul did not even use single sword to preach Christianity instead he did it in face of utmost percussion.

So if you are going by Hart theory Jesus is far greater than Mohammad.

If you want to know the true world population of major religion go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

you are obviosly a fool who posts without reading. When in my quote below did it state that moslems are twice the population of xtrians. You just argue blindly

SINCE THERE ARE ROUGHLY TWICE  AS MANY CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, IT MAY INITIALLY SEEM STRANGE THAT MUHAMMAD HAS BEEN RANKED HIGHER THAN JESUS.

you guys are all sick and confused. Only a sick person will believe in several mutually exclusive dogmas at the same time. You say jesus is God. But when it comes to the atrocities he has commited, you are willing to seperate him from God the father. You are willing to demonize the only true God to absolve jesus.

Toba i will close my case here and say no more. I have taken you on a ride and made you to expose the flaws of your confused theology. I thank God that our discussion is here for all to see and make their judgments.

pls tell us what Messiah means

keep quiet! I was not talking to you

i dont get your point. Dont you believe in trinity? Is the father and son not supposed to be coequal and coeternal. Unless you are saying jesus is another God completely differnt from his father. In such case we can assume God the father was callous and wicked but God jesus is opposite in nature, thus gentle and peace loving. That was why he took over control from his blood thirsty father. Lets just hope the wickd father never takes control again.

Think man! Think!

are you telling me that his birth 2,000 years ago marks his beginning. Was he on coma from the beginning of time till until 2,000 years ago ? Was he not the one that created the world and made us in his image? Have you forgotten he is part of the trinity and is co-eternal and co-equal with his father. Will his father have done anything without his approval.
I know you are confused. My brother you have everyright to be, cos your theology is confused. And you can never reconcile it no matter how hard you try.

Ok, wat u are telling me is that God was the one responsible for the war crimes and our dear jesus is innocent.
The verdict is out by our brother Toba. God is guilty and jesus is innocent. Because jesus was not God in the old testament.
But have you forgotten that 'in the beginning there was God and the Word was with God and the Word was God'

Am glad you admit that you bible is 'tales by moonlight' composed by 40 guys (that have only first names) inspired by a confused dove ghost who does not know his left from right. Telling mathew this and telling mark that. The same ghost that speaks something to catholic and another to anglican and the jehova witness and the mormon and the seventh day adventist and the babtist.

The Quran however is the in-immitable word of God

Muhammad was a noble warrior and the very soul of justice and kindness. We muslims are proud of him.

Back to my question in case you did not get it.

What jesus the Lord God [/b]that ordered moses in the blood campaign below? Yes or No

' and he said to them,'thus says the [b]Lord God of israel,'put every man his sword on his side and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp and slay every man, his brother and every man his companion and every man his neighbour'

And the sons of levi did according to the word of moses and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men' Exodus 32:27-28

we muslims denounce the jesus of the bible as potrayed by christians. The complete truth about jesus is only to be found in the quran. We are only forced to make refernce to your corrupt bible to expose your confusion due to your deliberate interpolations and misinterpretation.
Our jesus did not cry like a goat on the cross. Allah never forsakes his own

very well said Toba. This is the kind of vomit i expect from a christian who has been cornered. Am used to it. Since you (or any xtian for that matter) can never answer my simple question, i hereby rest my case.

jcross22:
Qur'an 4:94 "Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in the Cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you peace: 'You are not a believer.' seeking and coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil them). With Allah are abundant profits, plentiful SPOIL and BOOTY." Lucifer is announcing by way of his prophet: "Muslims, when you leave Arabia to fight and rob those who don't worship me, don't accept a peace offering and leave a potential victim alone. Rather, conquer them, for therein lies the greatest potential for profit. And always remember, you are a MERCENARY and that I have SEDUCED you. OH I SEE THAT IT'S WHY WE ARE HAVING SUCH TERRORISTS AND ISLAMIC TOUTS , BOKO HARAM, KALA KOTA  AND MR ABDUL MUTALLAB . OH THAT IT'S THE RELIGION OF PEACE . OTHER RELIGION ARE PRODUCING NOBLE PRIZE WINNERS MR ISLAM IS BUSY PROLIFIC OF TERRORS. RELIGION OF PEACE INDEED.

@jcross. The unrepentant fool. How does one expect you to have Proper sense when you have no Common sense. Or is it that you dont understand english.
Fellow nairlander pls  read his post above and help ask him how the quoted quranic verses mean what he has written below rather than the opposite.

Abu Zola:
Moses mass murder

' and he said to them,'thus says the[b] Lord God[/b] of israel,'put every man his sword on his side and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp and slay every man, his brother and every man his companion and every man his neighbour'

And the sons of levi did according to the word of moses and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men' Exodus 32:27-28

thanks Abuzola
i just need somebody to deny that the Lord God that commanded this massacre was not jesus but someone else. Else, you will have to agree with me that jesus was no 'prince of peace'

abuzola, yes moses and  joshua

Brother Abuzola, pls do me the honour of pasting the verses on the war crimes commited by moses and josua as ordered by their god jesus. I using my fone and typing would be tedious

ancel:
The_seeker, tell me the dividing line between religion and politics, between religious wars and political wars. While you are answering, you will see the difference between the OT laws and what obtains today. The examples you gave are scenarios in war and terrorism, which may have religious intentions, but are, in the underlying, politics. And I am sure you will agree with me that every country today is "scared" of just attacking another country (unlike the ancient times), because the world powers will take sides and some of them have cruel technology: nuclear, biological and otherwise.

sincerly you are not making sense. It makes no difference whether the wars in the OT were political or religoius or economic, the fact remains that your god jesus ordered the massacare and despoil of innocent people not even sparing the chidren or 'anything that breathes'.
Like i said ealier, i just need you guys to tell me jesus is innocent of the war crimes in the OT and i will accept he is the 'prince of peace'. Afterall through out his 33 years on earth he never [i]held [/i]a sword

ancel:
the_seeker, the discussion is about Jesus and not about laws of the old testament that were instituted for military purposes in a world where there was no international diplomacy and mutual respect between nations (as it mostly obtains today).

Of course the discussion is about jesus. Was he not the one who gave moses the laws of the old testament. Pls tell me he was not the one that ordered moses on those killing sprees and i will rest my case.

Pls tell me how the nations of today are more [i]diplomatic [/i]than those of old. Is the killing 6 million jews or nuking of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in hiroshima and naghshaki or 9/11 your idea of diplomacy  and mutual respect?

TrueSeeker:
@the_seeker

Tell me the effect of Muhammad life on non-muslim world. and remember your worship is not complete if you Muslim don't acknowledge Jesus Christ as Messiah. Whereas Christian don't need to accept Muhammad.

the Point: Jesus Christ life cut across different religions and nationals.

Stop wasting useful space with all your cut and paste post.

Jesus Teaching was so impressed the late Indian leader Mohandas K. Gandhi that he reportedly told a British official: “When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings laid down by Christ in this Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems not only of our countries but those of the whole world.”

That was from a non-christian religion.

pls start by telling us what Messiah means

admitted that jesus never weilded a sword
ask yourself how many people he commanded joshua and moses to kill, maim and rape?
or are you saying moses and joshua acted on their own free will without orders from their god jesus

if you cant answer this question then you are a shameless hypocrite!

suicide is not a new thing in christainity. Afterall our dear god jesus comiited suicide to cleanse the sins of the world

The verdict is in. Muhammad Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived

"MUHAMMAD WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL OF ALL RELIGIOUS PERSONALITIES." Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition


1. IF GREATNESS OF PURPOSE, SMALLNESS OF MEANS AND ASTOUNDING RESULTS [The full quotation from Lamartine's book will be found in appendix''B" page 61.] ARE THE THREE CRITERIA OF HUMAN GENIUS, WHO COULD DARE TO COMPARE ANY GREAT MAN IN MODERN HISTORY WITH MUHUMMED? {Lamartine ends his lengthy segment of literary masterpiece with the words): . . . PHILOSOPHER, ORATOR, APOSTLE, LEGISLATOR, WARRIOR, CONQUEROR OF IDEAS, RESTORER OF RATIONAL BELIEFS, OF A CULT WITHOUT IMAGES: THE FOUNDER OF TWENTY TERRESTRIAL EMPIRES AND OF ONE SPIRITUAL EMPIRE, THAT IS MUHUMMED. AS REGARDS ALL STANDARDS BY WHICH HUMAN GREATNESS MAY BE MEASURED, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THEN HE? Lamartine, "Historie de la Turquie," Paris 1854

2. HE WAS CAESAR AND POPE IN ONE, BUT HE WAS POPE WITHOUT THE POPE'S PRETENTIONS, AND CAESAR WITHOUT THE LEGIONS OF CAESAR: WITHOUT A STANDING ARMY, WITHOUT A BODYGUARD, WITHOUT A PALACE, WITHOUT A FIXED REVENUE; IF EVER ANY MAN HAD THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT HE RULED BY THE RIGHT DIVINE, IT WAS MOHAMMAD, FOR HE HAD ALL THE POWERS WITHOUT ITS INSTRUMENTS AND WITHOUT ITS SUPPORTS." R. Bosworth Smith -Mohammad and Mohammadanism", London 1874, p. 92



3. "MY CHOICE OF MUHAMMAD TO LEAD THE LIST OF THE WORLD'S MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS MAY SURPRISE SOME READERS AND MAY BE QUESTIONED BY OTHERS, BUT HE WAS THE ONLY MAN IN HISTORY WHO WAS SUPREMELY SUCCESSFUL ON BOTH THE RELIGIOUS AND SECULAR LEVEL."
SINCE THERE ARE ROUGHLY TWICE  AS MANY CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, IT MAY INITIALLY SEEM STRANGE THAT MUHAMMAD HAS BEEN RANKED HIGHER THAN JESUS. THERE ARE TWO PRINCIPAL REASONS FOR THAT DECISION.
FIRST, MUHAMMAD PLAYED A FAR MORE IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE EVELOPMENT OF ISLAM THAN JESUS DID IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF CHRISTIANITY. ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAIN ETHICAL AND MORAL PRECEPTS OF CHRISTIANITY (INSOFAR AS THESE DIFFERED FROM JUDAISM), ST. PAUL WAS THE MAIN DEVELOPER OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, ITS PRINCIPAL
PROSELYTIZER, AND THE AUTHOR OF A LARGE PORTION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
MUHAMMAD, HOWEVER, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BOTH THE THEOLOGY OF ISLAM AND ITS MAIN ETHICAL AND MORAL PRINCIPLES. IN ADDITION, HE PLAYED THE KEY ROLE IN PROSELYTIZING THE NEW FAITH, AND IN ESTABLISHING THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF ISLAM.
Michael H. Hart "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History", New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978,

4. "FOUR YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF JUSTINIAN, A.D. 569, WAS BORN AT MAKKAH, IN ARABIA THE MAN WHO, OF ALL MEN EXERCISED THE GREATEST INFLUENCE UPON THE HUMAN RACE ,  MUHAMMAD , " John William Draper, M.D., LLD., in his "A History of the lntellectual Development of Europe",- London 1875.


5. "MUHUMMAD WAS THE SOUL OF KINDNESS, AND HIS INFLUENCE WAS FELT AND NEVER FORGOTTEN BY THOSE AROUND HIM." A Hindu scholar - Diwan Chand Sharma in his "The Prophets of the East," Calcutta 1935, p. 122.

6. "FOUR YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF JUSTINIAN, A.D. 569, WAS BORN AT MAKKAH, IN ARABIA THE MAN WHO, OF ALL MEN EXERCISED THE GREATEST INFLUENCE UPON THE HUMAN RACE ,  MUHAMMAD , " John William Draper, M.D., LLD., in his "A History of the lntellectual Development of Europe",- London 1875.

7. "I DOUBT WHETHER ANY MAN WHOSE EXTERNAL CONDITIONS CHANGED SO MUCH EVER CHANGED HIMSELF LESS TO MEET THEM." R. V. C. Bodley in "The Messenger,"- London 1946, p.9.

8. "I HAVE STUDIED HIM - THE WONDERFUL MAN - AND IN MY OPINION FAR FROM BEING AN ANTI-CHRIST, HE MUST BE CALLED THE SAVIOUR OF HUMANITY." George Bernard Shaw, in "The Genuine Islam,- Vol. 1, No. 81936.

9. "BY A FORTUNE ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE IN HISTORY, MUHAMMAD IS A THREEFOLD FOUNDER OF A NATION, OF AN EMPIRE, AND OF A RELIGION." R. Bosworth-Smith in "Muhammad and Muhammadanism".- 1946.

10. "MUHAMMAD WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL OF ALL RELIGIOUS PERSONALITIES." Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition

11. "THE GREAT MAN'S SINCERITY IS OF THE KIND HE CANNOT SPEAK OF: NAY, I SUPPOSE, HE IS CONSCIOUS RATHER OF INSINCERITY; FOR WHAT MAN CAN WALK ACCURATELY BY THE LAW OF TRUTH FOR ONE DAY? NO, THE GREAT MAN DOES NOT BOAST HIMSELF SINCERE, FAR FROM THAT; PERHAPS DOES NOT ASK HIMSELF IF HE IS SO: I WOULD SAY RATHER, HIS SINCERITY DOES NOT DEPEND ON HIMSELF: HE CANNOT HELP BEING SINCERE!" Heros and Hero-Worship, p.59

12. "A SILENT GREAT SOUL, HE WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO CANNOT BUT BE IN EARNEST, WHOM NATURE HERSELF HAS APPOINTED TO BE SINCERE. WHILE OTHERS WALK IN FORMULAS AND HEARSAYS, CONTENTED ENOUGH TO DWELL THERE, THIS MAN COULD NOT SCREEN HIMSELF IN FORMULAS; HE WAS ALONE WITH HIS OWN SOUL AND THE REALITY OF THINGS . . . SUCH SINCERITY, AS WE NAMED IT, HAS IN VERY TRUTH SOMETHING OF DIVINE. THE WORD OF SUCH A MAN IS A VOICE DIRECT FROM NATURE'S OWN HEART. MEN DO AND MUST LISTEN TO THAT AS TO NOTHING ELSE, - - - ALL ELSE IS WIND IN COMPARISON." Heros and Hero-Worship, p.71


13. "PHILOSOPHER, ORATOR, APOSTLE, LEGISLATOR, WARRIOR, CONQUEROR OF IDEAS, RESTORER OF RATIONAL DOGMAS, OF A CULT WITHOUT IMAGES; THE FOUNDER OF TWENTY TERRESTRIAL EMPIRES AND OF ONE SPIRITUAL EMPIRE, THAT IS MUHAMMAD. AS REGARDS ALL STANDARDS BY WHICH HUMAN GREATNESS MAY BE MEASURED, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?"
[lamartine, histoire de la turquie, paris, 1854, vol. ii, pp. 276-277.]


14. "THE PERSONALITY OF MUHAMMAD, IT IS MOST DIFFICULT TO GET INTO THE WHOLE TRUTH OF IT. ONLY A GLIMPSE OF IT I CAN CATCH. WHAT A DRAMATIC SUCCESSION OF PICTURESQUE SCENES. THERE IS MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET. THERE IS MUHAMMAD THE WARRIOR; MUHAMMAD THE BUSINESSMAN; MUHAMMAD THE STATESMAN; MUHAMMAD THE ORATOR; MUHAMMAD THE REFORMER; MUHAMMAD THE REFUGE OF ORPHANS; MUHAMMAD THE PROTECTOR OF SLAVES; MUHAMMAD THE EMANCIPATOR OF WOMEN; MUHAMMAD THE JUDGE; MUHAMMAD THE SAINT. ALL IN ALL THESE MAGNIFICENT ROLES, IN ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS OF HUMAN ACTIVITIES, HE IS ALIKE A HERO."
Ramakrishna rao, an indian (hindu) professor of philosophy,


15. "THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS FOUNDED BY THE PROPHET OF ISLAM PUT THE PRINCIPLE OF INTERNATIONAL UNITY AND HUMAN BROTHERHOOD ON SUCH UNIVERSAL FOUNDATIONS AS TO SHOW CANDLE TO OTHER NATIONS." HE CONTINUES, "THE FACT IS THAT NO NATION OF THE WORLD CAN SHOW A PARALLEL TO WHAT ISLAM HAS DONE TOWARDS THE REALIZATION OF THE IDEA OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS."
IN THE WORDS OF PROFESSOR HURGRONJE:

16. "I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' IS THE SIMPLE AND INVARIABLE PROFESSION OF ISLAM. THE INTELLECTUAL IMAGE OF THE DEITY HAS NEVER BEEN DEGRADED BY ANY VISIBLE IDOL; THE HONOR OF THE PROPHET HAVE NEVER TRANSGRESSED THE MEASURE OF HUMAN VIRTUES; AND HIS LIVING PRECEPTS HAVE RESTRAINED THE GRATITUDE OF HIS DISCIPLES WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF REASON AND RELIGION."
[history of the saracen empires, london, 1870 by edward gibbon and simon ockley, p. 54]


17. "PHILOSOPHER, ORATOR, APOSTLE, LEGISLATOR, CONQUEROR OF IDEAS, RESTORER OF RATIONAL BELIEFS, THE FOUNDER OF TWENTY TERRESTRIAL EMPIRES AND OF ONE SPIRITUAL EMPIRE THAT IS MUHAMMAD. AS REGARDS ALL STANDARDS BY WHICH HUMAN GREATNESS MAY BE MEASURED, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?"

Alphonse De Lamartaine In 'Historie De La Turquie,' Paris, 1854




18. "PERHAPS THE GREATEST LEADER OF ALL TIMES WAS MOHAMMAD, WHO COMBINED ALL THE THREE FUNCTIONS. TO A LESSER DEGREE MOSES DID THE SAME."
Jules Masserman In 'Who Were Histories Great Leaders?' In Time Magazine, July 15, 1974


19. "TO THE ARAB NATION IT WAS A BIRTH FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT; ARABIA FIRST BECOME ALIVE BY MEANS OF IT. A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE ,ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD, A HERO-PROPHET WAS SENT DOWN TO THEM WITH A WORD THEY COULD BELIEVE: SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD-NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT,' WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARD, ARABIA IS AT GRENADA ON THIS HAND, DELHI ON THAT, GLANCING IN VALOR AND SPLENDOR AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES THROUGH LONG AGES OVER A SECTION OF THE WORLD. BELIEF IS GREAT, LONG-LIVING, THE HISTORY OF A NATION BECOMES FRUITFUL, SOUL-ELEVATING, GREAT, SO SOON AS IT BELIEVES. THESE ARABS, THE MAN MAHOMET AND THAT ONE CENTURY-IS IT NOT AS IF A SPARK HAD FALLEN, ONE SPARK, ON A WORLD OF WHAT SEEMED BLACK, UNNOTICEABLE SAND, BUT, THE SAND PROVES EXPLOSIVE POWDER, BLAZES HEAVEN-HIGH FROM DELHI TO GRENADA. I SAID ,THE GREAT MAN WAS ALWAYS A LIGHTNING OUT OF HEAVEN; THE REST OF MEN WAITED FOR HIM LIKE FUEL AND THEN THEY TOO WOULD FLAME." --- [Thomas Carlyle In Heroes And Hero-Worship]

just watch out for Viaro response. he will pretend as if he does not understand english and say something offpoint without adressing the challenge.
this is the usual christian tactics when cornered

Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities
NKJV

How can God also be servant? Dont you guys reason at all

nuclearboy:
Jesus did NOT even have to claim Divinity for Himself. God Himself in the Torah (Old Testament) claimed it for Him. In Isaiah 7:14, the Lord God Almighty Himself tells us a Virgin would bring forth a child who would be named the MIGHTY GOD, PRINCE OF PEACE and WONDERFUL COUNSELLOR.

You have started with your lie again after i have cleary disproven them. Lets take a look at the context of Isaiah 7:14 again!

7:1 And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.
7:2 And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.
7:3 Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field;
7:4 And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.
7:5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying,
7:6 Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:
7:7 Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.
7:8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.
7:9 And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.
7:10 Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,
7:11 Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
7:12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.
7:13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
7:17 The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.
7:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.
7:19 And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes.
7:20 In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.
7:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a man shall nourish a young cow, and two sheep;
7:22 And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.
7:23 And it shall come to pass in that day, that every place shall be, where there were a thousand vines at a thousand silverlings, it shall even be for briers and thorns.
7:24 With arrows and with bows shall men come thither; because all the land shall become briers and thorns.
7:25 And on all hills that shall be digged wit the mattock, there shall not come thither the fear of briers and thorns: but it shall be for the sending forth of oxen, and for the treading of lesser cattle.

Isaiah's prophecy was that the child Immanuel was to have been born in 742 BCE, the first year of King Ahaz's reign. Ahaz, the king of Judah, faced the combined armies of Syria and Israel. Isaiah explained to Ahaz that he should not form an alliance with Assyria. In support of this advice, God would provide a sign: a young woman would conceive and bear a child who would be named Immanuel.

The sign would have only have been effective if it happened almost immediately. It would not have given a lot of support to Isaiah's prophecy if more than seven centuries passed before it was fulfilled, over 700 years after King Ahaz' death.

Isaih was clearly not referring to some event that would occur centuries later. When he referred to the far future, as in Chapter 11, he typically used a phrase such as "In that day."

The translatiun of the Hebrew name Emmanuel, (Greek Emmanouel) as "God with us" in Matthew 1:23 implies that the name-holder is divine. The name really means "God is with us," meaning that God will support us. The name makes perfect sense if the child's name was to indicate to King Ahaz that God is on their side.

Also, the word used in the original hebrew text is ALMAH (young woman) not BETHULAH (virgin). Somehow, in the usual desperate attempt to fit OT prophecis to christ, 'young woman' was replaced with 'virgin'.

christian that condems the roman catholic have no sense. How can you condemn the mainstream institution of christiany for over 1,500 years. Are you saying all the xtians from the rise of roman catholism to the advent of protestanism were idolators?

these incredible christians!

just wait and see the kufrs derail the topic again with their sensless posts. Any sensible post would be to prove Abusafwan wrong or show that the verses do mean as he claimed. Lets watch this one unfold

sammie256:
abuzola pls read (isaiah 40:22)it is He that sit upon the circles of the earth. that is all

Is the eartha a circles?

In an islamic state, apostasy is tantamount to high treason and is punishable by death. Even in the bible the punishment for apostacy is death.
History has shown that christians killed more than any religius group for crimes of apostacy and even heresy. Have you forgotten Joan of th Arc that ws burnt at the stake for heresy only to be canonized recently by the same catholic church.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with suicide bombing or terrorism