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He is simply a Prince and acting like one.

Why don't Africans just dump the damn thing once and for all.

Hypocritic Nigerians ,quoting bible and all. Trying to be western and all. We will wait and see. i know very soon every gay in Nigeria will be killed as soon as they got exposed.

rufychuks: You are right about this. However, I blame us for having left the war as if it never happened. In the US, UK, Rwanda and most other countries where they had a Civil war, a panel is set up to talk about it and to promote healing. It is taught, correctly, in schools and everybody knows why it happened and work hard to ensure peace and prevent such from recurring. We just behave as if the war never occured in Nigeria; kids are fed lies by their parents, events that accelerated the emergence of arms still occur and the unity we need to hold this country is almost non-existent.

That is to show the stupidity of those that rules us, i heard that if the police ever caught you with a video of the Biafran war they will make a mess of you. now i am not surprised that the people that were at the center of the whole debacle keep coming out with one lie after the other. I am still waiting for the day Gowon would come out in the open and tell Nigerian youths how the British and Americans deceived him and tricked him into war with Biafra. Nigerians would learn a lot from that.

andrewza: The AU is trying to put together a African Standby brigade and each region should have one. But they don't work.

Has for a unfied African Milttary. Not going to happen. Do you think a milltary would stand to be run by a forghner. Africa is far from unfied with many holding grudges against ne another.


Has for nukes. There is a resone SA got rid of the in the 1990s. They expensve to keep, of littel use in most wars(they were only used in WW2), atgonise other countries, and if somthing goes wrong it will really ruin a lot of peoples day. Nukes for the most part are of zero value to a african milltary.



Any case let's say africa does some how turn in to the uniteid states of africa and gets nukes and then nukes say france. What do you think the west would do surrenda? Or destroy africa.

You are right about the AU trying to organize a form or African Army on a regional basis and such efforts shows that Africa needs such structures for its progress. The reason why it did not work was because many African nations are puppet states with puppet leaders controlled from outside Africa by their respective Imperial overlords whom do not wish for such goals to materialize.

There are established methods for military coordination and each Corps is under direct command of their own man, there are higher level co-ordination committees that comprise of larger corps under the direct command of their own man as well, the war planning committee comprise of all states involved with one member acting as the chairman. they simply direct operations and assign task to each unit or division according to their specialty and conditions determined by the theater. though the above is a simple description; what i mean to say is that you can never see say a Regiment of Ghana soldiers commanded by a Nigerian Colonel, it must be commanded by the Ghanaian colonel and they receive orders from their directorate chief whom is part of the war committee.

The reason why South Africa destroyed its nukes was simply because it feared it will fall into the hands of a A south Africa lead by a black African man, with all the anti- white sentiments that was in the system then i can simply say they thought well, this fact has been revealed in many documentaries by the people that were running the apartheid regime themselves. Nukes will be a game changer to any African military.

let me tell you what will happen, if Africa nukes France the USA will simply propose a treaty to be signed with the African forces, USA is not stupid to go into nuclear war with any nation because of France, they are smarter than that,During World War 2 the USA simply ignored them to be overran by Germany. what people does not understand is that diplomacy works differently to the way we as individuals relate to each other.

If this is said by the young man in the picture above then there is still hope for us. at least there are young people who still reasons like humans.

Though this is Nigeria, but we should know the movements,operations,names and conditions of the Special Forces are not public knowledge, their families may not know 85% of their movements.

igbo2011: Why are all African movies in Hollywood about war? Same ol same ol.

why is it only you that saw this ?.. in all the acclaim that Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart gathered they have never tried to invest and act it out on Hollywood.
Now why would they choose Half of a Yellow Sun ? Because out of all reasons now is the time to inflame the hate among Nigerians, the Psychological influence of such pictures,the dramatic highlight with its insidious message in an undertone is no more important anytime than now, Nigeria will divide 2015, their predictions and they are preparing peoples mind for it.
It is just plain Psychological Operations.

Thickson: If we cannot organize our country into a progressive developed society, how are we going to organize the continent into anything at all.

when i say if we can use our resources for our own self development you should understand that there are per-conditions which would make that possible and that means being progressive(in the sense of being liberated) in such state our country will be organized with little effort.
you should also understand that the OP put the topic forward as a proposition and not as an already accepted solution which means he understands that there are steps that should be taken to reach that goal and it can not be achieved without putting such some supportive structures together.

Bookface above believes that he knows better than many revolutionary African leaders who have witness firsthand African problems and call forth for such reforms as the OP proposed. every year events in Africa resoundingly asserts the importance of heeding the advice put forwards by those great thinkers such as Kwameh Nkrumah, Gamal Abdel-Nasser and Sékou Touré. From Lumumba of Congo to Uganda,Tanzania,Ivory coast, to the recent Ivorian crisis,Liberia and Libya.

bookface: Still a misplaced priority, regardless!

Again, people here must understand that you don't just wake up one morning and say "Hey, let's build an army"

1) Such goals must be tied towards an objective - a common enemy - which by all counts, Africa doesn't have one! Feel free to cite Libya all you want, but there are good chances that Africa will not need to defend itself in a major external conflict against a major player, requiring the use of such an Army in the next one or two decades. why spend trillions over the next decade or so on a farce which no one really needs - while the economies of individual countries continue to be untapped, under developed and languishing? Why spend such huge sums propping up an army when more than three quarters of Africans continue to live well below the poverty threshold? What is the threat and why is such a move even Justified? The only objective I read here seems to border on braggadocio!


2) Such goals must have willing and able partners - of which there aren't many! You need partners you can trust and who have existing means - financial and technology - of which there aren't any, and a common threat - of which, again there aren't any! Not many countries in Africa has the financial muscle to contribute anything meaningful to such an alliance, the funding of such will eventually fall on the shoulders of countries like Nigeria, South Africa, Egypt, Algeria and Angola. - So explain to me, how much exactly should Nigerian taxpayers be paying to fund the security of say Rwanda for instance, when we can't even afford to light our own homes for the past 60 years and our children go to school in pitiable conditions?

3) Military alliance don't work because "We all love each other so much and we live in the same continent" - The questions really is, "what's in it for me ?" For instance, NATO only admitted Iceland as a member of the alliance because of its strategic position on the world map, not because of its military. Figure out why there's no EU army yet? or even on the cards? It's quite simple really, Nigeria has very little to gain from forming alliance with a bunch of African countries who can hardly pull their pants together when we can simply pitch our tents with a Superpower and then use the resources we could have spent on such an adventure, developing our own infrastructures instead.

4) Some ret@rd here thinks Nigeria made a mistake to have refused North Korea's offer of nuclear missiles. We are a country who after decades of independence, haven't developed the will to maintain basic infrastructures. Our roads are in shambles, our airport premises stink..and even public schools across the country are a shame to even look at! How the f*ck is a country who can't manage it's own telecommunications (NITEL) manage a nuclear weapons program? Hang on a sec, bragging rights asides, why does anyone, rational enough think we need such destructive weapons in our homeland? India has an enemy - Pakistan, so they both seek means to deter each other. North Korea vs USA. China vs USA. Russia Vs NATO. Israel vs Rest of the middle east. Much of these countries have experienced actual or near military conflicts in the past and they believe they face an existential terminal threat should they not have such military deterrence. Unless someone can explain to me why Nigeria needs to own such dirty weapons on its own soil, i would assume the initial argument/reasoning came from a senile individual.
There is a reason why most countries are moving far away from hoisting nuclear missiles on their own soil and instead opt for submarine based weapons. Nuclear weapons on your own soil, is an existential threat against your own people too, you idi0ts! Nigeria does not and has not had any need for such offensive weapons. What we need is an agile well trained force that responds quickly and intelligently to internal challenges such as Boko Haram and insidious kidnappings.

The ret@rd also thinks you need nuclear weapons to protect your rights to progress. what a tool! After the world war, Japan rose to become the second biggest economy in the world (now the third biggest) and it did so even while keeping its agreement never to have an offensive military strike capability. As usual, ret@rds are quick to blame an "invisible" enemy on their own shortfalls. The most hilarious bit is that this dude even went on to say this:


"Do you know that as far as 1968 Biafrans almost built a nuclear weapon and if not by the efforts of CIA and MI6 the Nigerian civil war would have been a Nuclear war ?"

Let's ignore that this statement must be false - anyone with a quarter brain knows that you need to either have a nuclear reactor or have someone sell you high grade nuclear enriched materials to pull off such - what i wanted to focus on is the fact that this ret@rd thinks in his head that even though we somehow require foreign intervention to prevent us from nuking each other, we still have the maturity it takes to keep such weapons in our arsenal.

Without doubt, Africa has everything it needs. Talented and hard working people - and rich natural resources/ agro lands. A strong alliance should be formed with an objective to develop such talents/resources, improve infrastructures, promote economic ties, reduce barriers to trade, combat ethic wars/divisions, combat raging disease,poverty and malnutrition, combat corruption & human rights violation, combat use of child soldiers and provide a true home/future for Africa's children. - These are the wars that we need to fight, not some imagined foreign enemy and certainly no need for a pointless military adventure.

lets understand the points he made;

1: Africa does not have a common enemy.
2: Such goals needs willing and able partners and Africa does not have able and willing nations.
3: It is better that we ally with a superpower(implying Russia,china,USA,Britain) than African nations since we can not gain anything being with them.
4: Nigeria and by extension Africa does not need such useless and dirty weapons on our soil because it is a threat to the lives of our own people and we can't even wipe our own asses.

I am shocked. that's all i will say.
I hope that you are either one of those guys paid to misinform people online or there are just few people that holds the same ideas and ignorance as you, because if majority of Africans holds the same view as you then we are over with.

For anybody that wants to know more about reasons and problems facing Africa please read more on the writing of people like Jomo Kenyatta, Kwameh Nkurumah,W.E.B. Du Bois and Sankara. you can simply research on the considerations and efforts that led to the formation of O.A.U.

for this post itself i have lost all interests in it.

biafranqueen: Africans especially love "showing off" as well they equate that with power and intelligence.

You are quite right in your observation, but it never use to be so, and the more we became westernized the more we will be all about show off and materialism.

panafrican: Misplaced priorities and big mistakes too. Just learn from the History or at least from what went on recently in Libya. There, Gaddafi built ultra modern infrastructure, gave free health care to the people and fed his people. What happened? his country was invaded, destroyed and he was killed.

He would not understand you,for most Nigerians to understand you , you have to start from the basics of international diplomacy and teach them till you conclude on contemporary histories. You are actually dealing with a massively brainwashed populace.

China before the 90's were extremely poor,hungry and their people die of starvation but they researched and built successfully detonated a nuclear weapon on 1964, that is because unlike most psychologically colonized Africans they understand that to protect their right to progress they will need powerful arms to keep the enemy away.
i remember in the 80's china was so poor that more Chinese pictures were used for raising money than Africans, i remember going to the Chinese embassy then and they were persuading my father to buy some low class tractors and some other agricultural stuffs. now imagine how poor they are in the 60's but they know their priorities.

Now the funny part was that in the 70's and 80's Nigeria was extremely rich.

You lot will be very surprised when they finally bring it here to Nigeria most Nigerians with their inferiority complex and colonized mind will try to claim westernized, europeanized and support it. then you will start hearing silly reasons like " you are no more living in the 1800's" this is 2013, how does somebody being gay affect you ?..etc...i will be waiting in the corners because i know the average Nigerian man with the Nigerian education does not have a mind of his own.

Orpelin: thoth,if the REAL skills & machinery to match & even contend with these "people" are there, though I don't believe they exit then we should not be talking about tech transfer because I am very certain that the "G5+1",G8 even some non-African G20 countries will not want to release/transfer their highly classified & closely guided military skills,technology, inventions or weaponry development process.
they can only sell selected few arsenal out to ripe about times two worth in exchange.

The world really does not work that way, do you know how china acquired most of its technologies ? it is almost through the same way. certain contracts will have tech transfer agreement in it. you should really know that we have a lot of intelligent individuals numbering in their thousands all over the world who also took part in development of those technologies used by Europe and the west.
You will not believe the number of Igbos that work under DARPA, you will even be amused that almost all the black men you will meet at NASA speaks Igbo, the number of Nigerian professors that are celebrated all over the world for their contribution to science and technology is yearly increasing.
All you need is to create the environment and you will see these people come home, most of them never liked those whites and the way the black man is treated so that can be exploited.

Do you know that as far as 1968 Biafrans almost built a nuclear weapon and if not by the efforts of CIA and MI6 the Nigerian civil war would have been a Nuclear war ?

when i mean using our resources for our own development i also mean that the preconditions for such endeavors would also exist in the sense we would have Afro-centric leaders at the helm of things.

North Korea approached Nigeria to sell to them nuclear and missile technologies but our stupid leaders,brainwashed and puppets of the west declined the offer. and they just like kids went to USA and told them with smiling faces " we declined the NK offer for Nuke and Missile technology" as if they were expecting a cookie and to be commended to be good kids by their father the USA

African has everything it needs.

The Rambling Gizzard(bookface) from his post belongs to the group whom has internalized the idea that Africa is a wasteland, that only produces stuffs like cocoa and oranges and it does not hold any significance at the world stage, then i will ask him why would the west continue to keep you down if you are irrelevant ? does he knew why Patrice Lumumba was eliminated ?
do you know that if Congo stops exporting cobalt for just 2 months the whole of US defense complex will grind to a halt?
do you know Africa if organized can influence the price of Gold and copper and effectively wrecking the economy of many nations which we deem not sympathetic to our interests . honestly this phenomenon does not need to be explained to any human being that holds a bachelors degree and knows about the world he lives in and how it works because it is self evident and not a secret. only morons like the guy above will underestimate that.

igbo2011: What do you mean british story?

Well, in Nigerian schools(nursery to secondary) unlike in other liberated countries , they never tell them that the Brits almost committed genocide on their ancestors, they never teach them that colonialism simply means enslavement of a whole nation, what they they teach them is the British version, the colonialist apologist version states that the Brits came to Africa to enlighten Africans, to stop them from their barbaric ways, that ancient Africans were fools who walk around naked and live on trees, that the Brits brought education and medicine to Africa, that African religion is extremely evil and Africans will not be anywhere if not for the white man that was so kind to help them.

This is what children learn in school,that is what i mean by the British version, that is what i mean that to liberate the African man is a very hard task.

If you can lay your hands on history books for primary school children from Israel,china,France or Belgium you will see why they grow up very nationalistic and patriotic, you will see why they think differently from Africans. you will see why Odin will be celebrated and shown in movies(which even Africans celebrate), Loki,Zeus etc were well known and quoted by Africans while once you mention Amadioha,Sango etc the same Africans will pounce on you as devil worshiper.

Orpelin: The skills and machinery are lacking, so it can't happen this century.
Also,if Africa should make use of its mineral resources for economic empowerment for all without depending on the "so call foreign aid" then I can say we can get there soonest.

The skills are there , the machinery are there, the men are there, the will is unfortunately not there.
what you should understand that is that as you pointed out that if Africa uses its resources for empowerment... you will see those skills drawn from other continents down to ours, you will see our great intellectuals being proud of their own and coming home, you will even see those broke ass European nations that has no resources or anything of their own willing to sell us technology.
in fact if Africa unites we can threaten any nation we want, we can decided that Germany would not have any African resources(oil,steel,etc) for one month and Germany would go on its knees. we can do it to any European country or even the west. and when we negotiate contracts we pull the technology transfer into it and believe me if you look hard enough you will that those nations really have no option, not even one.

People should keep in mind while reading the above that oil is not the only thing africa has, we have many minerals that is more important than oil.

Language is not an issue with military cordination. linguistic problems has long been solved and techniques that relies less on language has been in use for decades.

My problem however is that such military might end up being used against africa on africans just as AU has been hijakced and used as a tool against africans.

Gaddaffi once pointed out that unlike during the time of Kwameh Nkurumah the modern AU convention is filled with puppet leaders that is either loyal to one or more imperialist nations and not to their people or even Africa.

Jonathan and his decision during Ivory Coast(Gbagbo) and Gaddaffi(Libya) and recently Kenyan Kenyatta will show you how such things might mean ill for the people.

igbo2011: If you are a Global African (person of African descent) an you care about the new baby that arrived from Prince Williams then you have Stockholm syndrome. Remember the British empire for centuries of tragedy to Africa and the Diaspora. They enslaved, colonized and neocolonize us to this day. They committed the worst atrocity in human kind to us and told us to get over it. They dehumanized and told us we have no history. The ripple affects of slavery are still going on today.

A wise man once told me that he pities the man that wishes for a revolution in Africa because he has to choose between killing more than half the population or simply giving up.
Now ask yourself how many Nigerians you know believe you and how many believe the British version of the story.

birdman: Do these idiots know what they are asking for? When BH gets blacklisted, the whole country goes with it. Anybody traveling from or through Nigeria will now automatically be on a blacklist, like Pakistan. They dont care about North/South. Its all Nigeria as far as they are concerned. And all that easy money transfer from folks abroad will trickle to a drop, because the onus will be on you to prove you arent sending money to BH. Why do we have buffoons in every sphere of leadership. Even in church. Na wa o.

Somebody is there with them instigating them, setting them up for conferences, linking them with "very important" people to give credence and legitimacy to their views. the catch is that "SOMEBODY" is not assisting them,listening to them, arranging meeting with VIPs and MEDIA for them because he truly believes what they have to say, or he cares about Nigeria rather it is his/her job to accomplish that, to recreate the voice of the people or in simple terms to transform the voice of one man to the voice of the people.To misrepresent the nation and its intentions.
Most of these stooges you see might know what they are doing or they might be what we like to call "useful idiots" being manipulated by the Somebody to do their bids.

i don't know why but i just started laughing uncontrollably when i read the question and the poster above me whom said "that is if he or she is without a gun"

These are the Trojan Horses that will bring in the real enemies of Nigeria into Nigeria.
I will want Nigerians to know that even though each of them does not know what you are thinking or your view on the boko haram issue, when they speak out there they speak for you all, whatever they say out there is what the American masses will believe we all believed in, and that is what the western media will play over and over again and will form the background support for any action they might choose to take against Boko Haram OR NIGERIA.

deskossy: This piece seems 2 been written by mugabe's protoge,granted he hasn't been a better observer,but there are better ways 2 say he hasn't been selected,than this hatefull write ups

there is no better way than saying the truth, lying to the people or covering the truth is tantamount to treason, until Africa goes back to its values and view of truth and its place in the society we will always continue to have uninformed youths and will always make the wrong choice.

There is no hate in the write up, rather i am repulsed by the lack of it.

And Structures that held the Igbo Nation together keeps disintegrating.

Ana Jesus indeed.

GenBuhari: Why the preoccupation with relatively unimportant issues?

The masses has to be kept distracted from the real Issues like The Further Devaluation of our currency, The Embezzlement of our public funds, the insecurity that pervades the nation with Boko Haram,Kidnappers, armed Robbers, assassinations etc, the increasing debt of our nation, and the enormous debts being accumulated by the states, the inconspicuous sell off the national assets.

The Masses has to be given something to divide them, to fight about, to make them feel like they belong, to give them the false assumption that they also had a say in the government.

To the Real Architects of this chaos: the tribal, religious and idealist fault lines has to be deepened and the groups and reactionaries clearly carved out because the whole endgame/goal is going to be built along those fault lines which are now being prepared.

The know he is an agent of the West, enlightened readers would quickly understand what He meant by saying that Obasanjo has BETRAYED Africa.
I am really glad we Nigerians are not the only ones that knew the man for what he is.

pazienza: It just occured to me that you have not really given me your own understanding of the word "natural", for the sake of this our discussion,could you please give me a definition of the word "natural".

i already had when i said

By natural we mean that our subject is in compliance with established natural laws and therefore not an anomaly. In that sense humans are supposed to give birth to humans and not snakes likewise snakes should not give birth to humans as same as homosexuality and its likes.

*Kails*:
@thoth and birdman yes, IR couples can reproduce. Absolutely they can.

but some folks are still adamant that GOD CREATED DIFFERENT RACES FOR A REASON and thus we should not mix. Obviously being the product of both IR and Bi-Ethnic relations I am here and do not support that view (eh well... ) but all I am saying is to each his/her own. People have their reasons why they do things and others will have their reasons why what is done is wrong.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here

As for me: Homos3xuals as a group are not bothering me so I don't care what they do.

well , your last statement is same as "Boko Haram is not bothering me so i don't really care what they do". I don't know where you have lived but have you been unfortunate enough to witness a gay pride rally ? you know that carnival kind of thing with many mature hairy men wearing G-strings and bra and walking our streets and singing and dancing. Our kids are watching these men and the psychological impact is the acceptance of such behaviors and therefore the multiplication of experimentalist who ends up damaged and a danger to our society.

GenBuhari: Interesting!

but why has OP, follow up post been hidden?

question:
Why did US not support Biafra to break up Nigeria?

At that moment it does not suit its imperial interests, the colonial and imperial powers were in fact at that period fighting against balkanization in order to retain their colonies and influence.

Secondly Ojukwu was not prepared to agree to the [size=14pt]conditions[/size] for support that was offered by the British and Russians. i am not aware if the Americans offered any at that time.


At the moment the united states and other imperialist will give covert assistance to any group that will cause destabilization, be it MASSOB, AREWA,OPC,MEND or BOKO HARAM. MI6 and CIA has already embedded their men into each organizations in one form or the other and use them as STEERS to control and channel assistance to these organizations.

We were having an argument in Essex and i asked my Audience who is David Day (MASSOB) ? who is he really ? have they ever made a check into his phony background ?
who is Micheal Futton (MEND) ? is that his real name ? who is Mr Gails(MEND) ? is that his real name ?

Most Africans do believe you can meet a stranger especially white ones and he becomes a sympathizer to your cause and then go all the way to devout his life to it.

you know the African man does not keep records of events because i believe if they can trace back at the actions of these men and their magic solutions to whatever organizations they attached themselves to they will smell a rat.


Thanks for the ........

pazienza: You see! What's natural and what isn't would always be a cyclic arguement. Why would he not pluck the mango he saw on his way? U said it's because of his fear of the consequences of such action, but who will make him pay for that action? The society. What standard will they use to decide his punishment? The societal laws that were set by the society.

So, the everyday man had been instilled with the fear of the consequences that would result,if he decides to follow his natural instincts,and not the societal set and acceptable standard.

It is not cyclic in any way though you have made tremendous efforts to make it appear to be so, it is not the society that would make him pay for his actions rather it is the owner of the Mango that would try to teach him a lesson about respecting other people's property, since it is universally inbuilt in humans to know what is right and wrong, on the case whereby the owner feels he is not capable of conducting the punishment solely then he employs the aid of his neighbors and friends and the later provides his assistance based on the same universality of right or wrong.
society is not a being, society is a constitution of ¹humans cohabiting in a distinctively identifiable geographical location.

the concept of right and wrong on issues like stealing,killing fellow humans,greed, envy and sex is universal to mankind, i believe 8000 years ago you will find it in all the continents even though they don't know each other.


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1: in this sense we are discussing specifically about the human society, other societies might exist but that is not the object of our discussion.

By natural we mean that our subject is in compliance with established natural laws and therefore not an anomaly. In that sense humans are supposed to give birth to humans and not snakes likewise snakes should not give birth to humans as same as homosexuality and its likes.

i already did.