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His meant that ALL tribes should go back to being sovereign nations just like they were before the useless colonists came over. It's likely that tere will be some puppet nations instructed by external interest to make trouble, such opportunities would be small if there exist an ideology clear ideology guiding most nations involved.

AAinEqGuinea:
So you're for the idea of African micronations, with possible annexations. What happens when one nation feels "dominated", envied, or marginalized or simply unhappy and unsatisfied with their tribal compatriots 10, 50, or 100 years later?

Put simply, we'll be forced to redraw maps everytime black men have conflicts (which is often). Do we think Igbos will be the only and last unhappy tribe singing independence?

@Sowell25
Many of us share similar beliefs as you do and also similar expectations. i sincerely believe that if African nations were to be allowed to take their natural form things would be different. The purpose of my post above is not to discourage Africans regaining their true identity as per nation before colonization rather i was trying to point out factors which hinder such aspirations and in some ways makes the status quo preferable.

If you are cognizant on geopolitics you would see how dangerous such attempts would be in our situation, in fact it would be akin to national suicide. The imperialists ,those who deliberately left us in this confused state will be extremely happy if Nigeria were to divide in this state.let me explain, Biafra is corrupt, there is no single ideology guiding the people or proposed to guide the new nation.imperialists have understood the dangers of big African nations like Nigeria since the ECOMOG's Liberia and Sierra Leon experience so they prefer a small corrupt African nations that they can bully at will.
Biafra at the present fits the above specifications，small ,confused, extremely corrupt and enough neighbouring enemies to use in bullying him into submission
Mind you when i say Biafra is small i don't mean that it's not big enough to be a nation, actually it's bigger than most European nations, rather i meant small enough to be bullied by Africa's historical enemies.
My point simply is not that one should not aspire for self determination but that we should be prepared for self determination and clearly we are not.
If we cannot even force our state governors, senators, local government chairman to be honest how can we cope as a nation ? With supposed ex governors, senators and leaders now feeling like gods in the new nation,it will be Nigeria all over again or even worse.
It's not me being anti self-determination, it's just me being a careful pro self-determination.

I can't seem to understand the affinity between African women and destructive tendencies. A young woman will read this rubbish and wholly absorb such concept as positive ,then metamorphose from the "manageable" to outright Absurdity.
That does not mean to say that Dame Patience has no quality African characters worth emulating.

The Ideology/stance is known as Neo-Garveyism, i think he is the one that gave it that name(not sure).
Reading him and other proponents of the doctrine i won't say it's entirely Garveynist per se but a refined form of it;with the main focus being Having a superpower nation/s that will protect,guide,unite and assist the upcoming black nations or groups(in nations where blacks are a minority) , Fostering Black centered education suited for the blacks development and black role models which younger blacks will try to emulate thereby riding the black society of most ills through ideological indoctrination(nurture as opposed to extermination) .
I as an African would like to see the doctrine developed and made robust in a way it can be utilized, taught and implemented. Though attractive and reasonable it's not complete yet, for example it does not answer the question Religion in Africa, nor the African identity. Mind you most of his works are concerned with black Africans.

igbo2011:
Dr. Chinwizu Ibekwe talks about this all the time.

http://www.houseofknowledge.org.uk/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48

http://www.houseofknowledge.org.uk/new/doc/Requie_for_a_Revolution_Chinweizu_s_response_F_%20BPPA_5.pdf

http://www.houseofknowledge.org.uk/new/doc/Marcus_Garvey_and_Black_Power_1_6.pdf


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmu_F92nB4U

lol……don't give up on your brothers bro, we will keep searching for solutions,keep fighting till our game is straight.

Shymm3x:
That's Nigeria for you and these are the same folks who control the country's domestic and foreign policies.

Can you see why I told you that no African country has what it takes to be a super-power?

Shymm3x:
And Nigeria has a higher number of CIA moles than any country on the continent.

This is the part that wears me down. A Shell executive once boasted that they have moles in Every Nigerian institution. Such facts gets me really weak.

Mugabe is right, Nigeria is a puppet nation and has betrayed Africa immensely.

this is what you get when you lack foresight and miscalculate outcomes. just as the Niger Delta is being rapped and underdeveloped, fighting wars day in and out, the middle belt are being reminded of their status in the scheme of things daily. Only if they knew then ……

From the way you write it seems both of you acquired your PhD from the same US school.

sylarsquins:
What's d difference btw UK and the US, besides English is their official language or u tryin to insinuate that him skulin n d UK wud ve made him speak or write better?. Jst askin.

Why would someone in his right mind want to go study in USA if a USA PhD holder writes English just like you do ?

penn2:
hello usa is still the best place to go for masters...what is the use u wil b schooling doing ur masters and u wunt be working ,hey that is grab i did my masters in usa california UCSD and now my phd in U.T texaz and since 20011 that i landed in usa after 3months i gat my fucking work visa and i am doing good finaciallyy so stop hyping uk...if you have been dere sAY THE ruth dnt dcv pple here

during the late 80's early 90's period i found out that the best soldiers are not just the ones with experience but the ones with bitter experiences, the more bitter and horrible their experience were the better they were at employing means of subversion, attack, defense and deception.
In all, one can say they learned HOW,WHY and WHEN it's important to WORKSMART.

Africans really have a long way to go. How is Biafra the Answer ? How is the Oron Nation the answer ?

all black Africa is backwards, the problem is psychological and i stand with Pabloafricanus on this, I have always repeated those same points he made above all over Nairaland but it seems all that blacks care about is to show off ,point fingers and blame someone for their issues, this is what they have been doing for more than 50 years now.
For the pro Biafra guy, how does Biafra solve the problem for you ? you scream marginalization all the time can you tell me how you were marginalized and who marginalizes you ? Is your governor not given his states allocation promptly and fully ? What stops you from making sure your Biafran leaders does not loot all the monies allocated for your development ? Did the Federal government decree against pipe borne water in your state ? Or against bad roads, or again the state providing decent affordable housing for the hardworking citizens ? You can't show evidence of any progressive direction how do you hope to magically effect progress when you have your Biafra ? What ideology does your Biafrans project ? Who will be the vanguard of these Biafra you are looking for ? Those kleptomaniacs you call governors and politicians ? Your inherently corrupt,inept and visionless Ohaneze ? Or the looting, illiterate, cultist thugs that goes by MASSOB ?
I am from Anambra, Idemili North to be precise, I own four large factories producing goods for exports since 2004 in Aba, i was at Aba last Wednesday and the manager was telling me how the state government thugs, local government thugs are always extorting from them , a government that provides no water, i have been generating my own electricity for the factories since 2004, very bad roads, no security, that same government wants me to pay tax so that he could buy his girlfriend a new car, is that the people you want me to trust with your silly Biafra ?
Whenever my containers comes in at Onitsha you will see the Criminal MASSOBS all over demanding settlement, they'd carry axes,knives and pistols, is that the Biafra you want ? I am planning to ambush them during the next offload with soldiers so that they all will be executed ok ?
I was born and raised in Toulouse,i studied in France and Germany, but my parents always encouraged us to embrace our igbo heritage, to invest in igboland only, to marry igbo, we spoke igbo at home, i even join the masquerade though at a late age of 13. We were always told the stories of the civil war with large photo collections and numerous video documentaries.
when i first heard of MASSOB in Onitsha in 2007 i was very excited as i always do with anything Biafran, i rallied with them with my sons, i donated a couple of millions so that we can print free ID cards and Biafran flags to give to the people, i helped through my contacts and we arranged free eye glasses, medical checkups while giving uplifting speeches and guidelines to the people, we arranged cleanups with the slogan " Biafra shall be rise again" remember ? Those days Dr Udealor were telling people how they should start showing their Biafraness by ACTION and coming out and keeping neighborhood clean, people were coming downstairs joining in the cleanup , the atmosphere was really electrifying and i was happy. I left Nigeria in November 2007 came back again in 2012 to saw a MASSOB that is a terror to igboland itself, all those intellectuals that i rallied with does not even want to be associated with Biafra anymore, they abhor Biafra and i do so at the moment. They swore to sabotage that actualization as long as these thugs,kidnappers and looters are at the helm of things, all they(MASSOB) want is a piece of Nigeria they can terrorize,extort and exploit, another failed state even before creation.
My wife wants me to close down most of my factories in igboland and move it to Vietnam, she owns a factory that makes berrets,hats and gloves in Vietnam which she sells in France and Belgium since 2010, she is from Uruagu Nnewi with assumed links on her paternal side to the Ojukwu family . Now what do you have to say about that ?
@ AAinEqGuinea
Sowell25.

I heard Aso Rock has been relocated , Can someone please tell me the new Location ?

this has to be the biggest USA scam on Nigerians ever since the assassination of Murtala Mohammed,Gullible Nigerians will believe this Scam and soon there will be floods of reports and interview from this Oregon Apparition. Our new Dumb president has already been bagged by the west if his office makes no statement to discredit this defamation attempt on Nigeria.

When will the Blackman know himself ?

Shymm3x:
See, for a super-power to come out of Africa, it has to happen in three stages:

1). Reverberation of consciousness - the mind and mentality.

It will be extremely foolish to disregard the Blacks outside continental Africa, they hold the knowledge that Africans need,heck majority of Africans don't even understand racism, they treat whites like Gods . So i am not disregarding the Blacks outside African Rather i am saying that such movements should focus in Africa because the Power lies in Africa. They should infuse the lessons they learnt from their experience to Africans, point out the tricks,guide and educate the Africans cus they know whites more than Africans do.
There are men already working against the neocolonial establishment as we speak, you can't imagine how helpful it would be to those guys if the people becomes enlightened just a bit.

Now this is Solid.

PabloAfricanus:
Bro, I understand what you're saying...
Its true...black folks care more about survival than any Uncle Tom do goody talks. Yeah...
And the majority are scared stiff of the ensuing punishments of the "law" and "disturbing the peace".
The rest just comment and take no action.

A starting point would be to recognize that we are not all the same and are at different "intellectual levels"...so to speak.
The so-called preaching by the NOI cannot be for the consumption of the average man...and that is NOT being elitist. It is for those who are willing to die for a cause they believe in. Not all can pay the price or stand the heat.
Preaching with all that intensity is just asking from broken people what they do not have and cannot give.

That's why I tag all such preachers as folks who flatter themselves and make a name out of it. They love hearing themselves talk. And their listeners love the escapism and glamour of it all...cos it leads to no action and no changes at the end of the day.
True revolutionaries and radicals do not make themselves known to the law...they always operate under masks and proxies. Safety first...a drowning man cannot save another drowning man.
I used to abhor so-called secret societies/fraternities...such as the Templars, Jesuits, Freemasons...until I became a better student of human nature and history.

Because greed, selfishness, sabotage and weakness are parts of man's inherited attributes...men will always take the easier route when possible.
You cannot hand over power or responsibility to someone who is not obligated to you. Its common sense.
The NOI is a lost cause...its always been a recruiting ground for FBI and CIA black operatives and snitches.

All effective pressure groups and revolutionary movements have been secret and hidden...most have public fronts with fancy titles and goals. Some even have religious affiliations for public consumption. That is the only known effective way to effect changes against a ruling majority who are opposed to you. The Freemasons changed the course of Europe by cutting the link between the State and the papacy...while being good sons of the Roman church. The Templars introduced credit, Arabian-Sufist enlightenment...all anathema to the papacy by disguising themselves as servants of the church.

Its a game of deception and subterfuge...deadly in the short and long term...but abundantly rewarding to the victors.
You need a few men of honor and enlightenment...who understand what IS IMPORTANT...and are willing to pay the price.
Any other thing else...is just entertainment and sensationalism.

My opinion.

@plaetton
Told you they don't know their history.
He is repeating the same package that European colonists taught them in school which unfortunately they have carried on to this generation. The same rubbish the pastors and priest drum into them consistently from a tender age about how their grandfathers were barbarians that run around naked and worship stones and sticks that has no power. Funnily enough those same colonists gave them the Crucifix, the saints, huge statues of innumerable white people they bow down to as saints, gods,Mary and who knows what. The same Priests that tell them that their grandfathers are soo stupid that they worship ordinary tree that has NO POWER will come around and when the tree ACTS they will say it's evil spirit, devil's power etc and the morons can't put two and two together.
That's why they go to court, swear with the Bible and lie as much as they like, to keep sustaining the moral degeneration of African society they have to attack, subvert and destroy any indigenous institution which guarantees a cohesive and progressive African society.

@Shymm3x

Being a Superpower is a psychological phenomena in the sense that it must start from the mind and effect itself on the outside, it will live in the mind and can only be sustained in the mind,all you see on the outside are just the outcome of what's on the mind,and a lot of African nation has the capacity to be a superpower, both the population(Nigerian 170 mil) the brains,the resources, the manpower to actualize that which their minds has conceived.
I know being out there in the western world and seeing how far they've gone one might think from our present situation it would be unthinkable to surpass them in less than two decades but it more than possible and in fact will be the case only if Africans can get a few things straight.
Back to the topic, there are many ways one can observe the global state of the Blackman but the resounding truth leads you back to a black super power as the answer, if i am permitted to use Nigeria as a test case …… Black Consciousness is important to the blacks in diaspora but what will it get them there , to answer this one must go back to the root, why the need of Black Consciousness ? What logic or reason does our supposed racist has against the Blackman ? How does he validate it ? How does he sustain for so long ? Are we trying to prove that we are humans?(imagine how irrational this is)
let's answer, the root is that other races believe that blacks are subhumans and incapable of possessing many necessary human qualities.
the need for Black awareness i suppose is not to fight racism but to educate the blacks on how to conduct themselves, to reject the racist depiction of the Blackman by doing things the right way in order to PROVE by evidence that they are humans and do possess same if not better qualities than their detractors.
so what reason does the racist has against the Blackman ? He asserts that the Blackman is not capable of civilized conduct, he points to the black communities as evidence and points to Africa as VALIDATION of his claims.
how does he validate and sustain this stance ? He keeps pointing to Africa as a reference, he makes sure Africa is in a mess, and he uses the media to keep showing Africa as a jungle, a huge ghetto, he hardly mentions a single nations name when relevant topics are discussed instead he just says Africa, when he talks about horrible things he never says AIDS is killing people in Uganda rather he says Africa, he does adverts, shows beautiful cities of Tokyo, Seoul, Beijing, then shows some jungle and says Africa , he validates himself by showing the younger generation of his race that you can trample on the black race and go free, he reduces their worth over and over just by referencing Africa. Whites say something like anywhere you throw blacks together it will just get messed up,they mention the black community they want to verbally attack first then the next thing you hear is Africa.
Now on the importance and the role of the Black superpower, if an active Black Consciousness movement starts out in Nigeria and Nigerians became aware of their stand outside Nigeria, they would be ashamed cus when they want to chant Black Power and look around they will ser the filth they live in and they will be forced to make progress, the anger that comes from such realization is what Africa needs, The anger that fuels the need to be better than our enemies in order to prove a point, the anger that force one to think above himself and think for the group. That's what Black consciousness does, it forces to be a superpower so that you be proud and show that Black power.it forces you to hate with passion those that has sold out as i witness you and cap28 doing above, imagine millions of Nigerians infected with such awareness and passion, imagine how the meaning of politics will be changed from where "we go to loot" to "the sacred path to salvation" , imagine the anger and the reaction of Nigerians if they ever hear that a white policeman shot a unarmed Blackman, it will be catastrophic for that country if they ever had business with Nigeria or any country under Nigeria's sphere of influence and they are bold enough to give the kind of verdict they do these days on white on black violence. Black consciousness automatically creates an intelligentsia in any black society and with time such conduct become part of the society, A black superpower would end racism within the shortest timeframe. A black superpower is the only potent medicine against neocolonialism, had Nigeria been led by Black Conscious leaders who know their history, with that "anger" in them, do you think any non African nation can fly it's planes over Libya ? Just a simple warning is enough.
when Blackman has a Strongman behind him his voice will be strong, when he has a place to compare to the enemies he will have pride, when he takes control of his nations he will have power.
A black Iranian said something some years ago to me during one of our discussions, he said Africa has more power over Europe than any other continent, assuming we are Black Conscious, and some silly nation messes with us, we can play with his economy all we want, cause catastrophic job losses and the riots that follows it by just withholding vital materials to their industry, raising or lowering prices and dictating the market, infact a Conscious Black Africa becomes Europe's king maker, look at Europe and tell me what they really have, almost nothing, at least not enough to make them live comfortably as Gambia, They can't suck up to Russia and they can't fight him either.
All those years of Anger,Marches,talks and protests by African Americans and British Americans what can they achieve ? They will still ask those whites for handouts, they don't own anything, they can't dictate anything, they can't influence anything, they are just asking for mercy…now you can't say this for continental Africa, we own our lands and whats inside it,we can dictate a lot,we can influence a lot and we sure are not asking for mercy.
Finally keep in mind that most of the freedoms the African Americans enjoyed were a direct result of the Communist Threat and the Agitations for independence in colonial Africa.

Something about this sort of threads is that it always needs explanations which would warrant a really long writeup, and Nairaland hates long posts.

Blacks can march all they want,talk all they want, riot and protest all they want and nothing will ever change UNTIL a BLACK SUPERPOWER arises from Africa.
I am tired of seeing people waste their lives on the wrong things, and another generation comes over and does the same thing all over again.
Blacks in the US or Europe won't change much if they are stuck there with what they know, cus the people you are trying to fight owns and control three things that matters, until that message is brought down to Africa, until that million man march starts happening in Africa, until the protests, the seminars, the black self awareness indoctrination starts in Africa everything anyone is doing elsewhere is a waste of time.

Sadness and a feeling of facing a problem bigger than you alone makes one like me, I want to say that people should read more and try to discuss logically among peers on topics of important , but then someone would ask how do we make them read or discuss logically after that……

igbo2011:
I love the way you think how do we get more people to think like you?

@plaetton
keep in mind that 98% of Nigerians don't know their true history, you will get nothing out of this discussion.

A very insightful test is … ask this question to any Nigerian around you "How was Nigerians colonized ?" you'd be marvelled at the answers you'd get.
the more correct form should be,how was your tribe/nation colonized ? … but for an answer that clearly depicts what i am flaw the first form is just perfect. Try this test, it's important.

Most young Ghanaians were brought up with the US propaganda and defamation of Nkrumah, Just like most Africans were raised with the Defamation of Idi Amin of Uganda. The pattern will keep repeating itself, Africans don't read, don't care, hates anything that will disturb their brains, they run to church in face of most simple problems and has almost zero analytical capacity, the schools teach no history, when they do they churn out the same old British Colonial African Defamation garbage. They go along infusing religious filth into school children, destroying their ability to be independent and inquisitive.

How can a nation be liberated on such setups.

Sorry in Nigeria your opinion does not matter until you make trouble.

mokset123:
The amount specified for the four discos by nerc would not go down well with Nigerians, as far as there is still no stable power supply in the country. Why are we still paying fixed charges?
we provide our own light, water, school, security.

The news of his death broke my heart, he always find a way to preach unity in any of his episodes and unlike the useless shows that airs this days, each episode has a moral point it tries to impact on the viewers and that is the core and purpose of literature and drama in Central African Tradition.
Afolabi Afolayan deserves to be honoured really.

LOL…… i remember telling him that if the needs arise he could be drowned out and nobody will hear his voice, maybe he hasn't witnessed such before but this experience will enlighten him.

worksmart:
GenBuhari cannot reply you he has been banned.

I have been trying to inform you several threads back that your signature is hidden and nobody sees anything except you. logout and check it out.

GenBuhari:
read my signature: