₦airaland Forum

larride: Come on, you can do better than that. Don't disappoint me. So when building roads and free drugs doesn't make sense, what does? I'm a product of the LAGS public school and so are a lot of people, if you don't have the fact of what you are talking about, don't talk trash. So the rail-project is a scam, that's wonderful, please I'm waiting for those scanned copy from your friends, don't forget that we already know that the project is PPP agreement. So I'm waiting. Don't disappoint, I know you have a pattern of not responding to some quote that you don't have answers too, if you hate Gov. Fash so much, why don't wait till 2015 and vote ACN out and vote in PDP or any other party or better still go join a political party or form one yourself and contest for Governorship position.

okosodo: @thoth, upon everything you said, who is at the fore front of world wide terror?

okosodo: What you guys are saying is rubbish. Is it the imperialists that masterminds the killing of people from other religion by muslims during the peace. Muslims are blindly bias every time it comes to religion

djon78: when I look at the blackman I weep.
the political elites have sold Nigeria to the dogs and amongst themselves, pdp, acn, cpc, apga, anpp are all the same with the same characteristics no difference.

I keep on saying what Nigeria needs is a kind of leader like castro, like hugo chavez, a leader that will rally the ordinary masses, open their eyes to the power they have and take back the country from this devilish and wicked political class, but the greatest problem stoping this from taking place is ethnic and religious bigotry which was injected and inflamed on the masses by this same political class and has blinded ordinary nigerians

speaking on the issue of housing, the problem of poor or non input by the goverrnment on housing is a general problem across the country but why lagos own is unique is because of the high and exhorbitant cost of housing compared to other states.

let me give an example of my experience on one of my trips outside the country. I was in kuala lumpur Malaysia 4 a short course/training a couple of months, now I was lodged in residential apartment not hotel to reduce cost. the shocking thing I noticed was hw much cheap the apartment was compared to the facility in it. now the apartment was in a condor,which comprised of three 30 floor building with a swiming pool, lawn tennis court, gym facility, green lawn in the ground and centre of the condor. now the amount For each of this apartment in naira equivalent was 60 000 per month and I paid for the few months i stayed 4 my course monthly. what made me weep in my heart is that the apartmentwas finer, better equiped than the so called luxury apartment we have in Ikoyi and VI whch can sometimes go as high as $100 000, and I later found out that such types of quality, cheap, affordable partment with great failities was all over the country funded and subsidised by the goverment of that country 4 the average man to enjoy and have comfort but when u come here apartments that are of less quality go as high as $100000.

mapet: 1. Mr. Man, your dellusion granduer is simply jaw dropping.
2. You are your beer-parlor friends are as ridiculous as your lame duck arguments here. I knew you'll be found out as no other but simply on a mission to discredit Fashola. No wonder you could not stand the heat of a credible and sound arguement.\
3. Sitting your but in France and throwing around loose bits and pieces of information that you claimed you got from some faceless friends is just as stupid as you posted them
4. Lagos state never hid the fact that the rail project is a PPP arrangement, hence you're not telling us anything new.
5. You're true to type, your ilks have been found out on this forum and yours is no different

mapet: 1. You want to know what they have done or will do? Please simply avail yourself with the information in the public domain....telling you anything is worthless
2. It shows crass and crude ignorance on your part to say Lagos State ridiculously increased school fees. Have you been to any of the so called state universities? I graduated from LASU 14year ago. Do you believe we can continue to sustain what we call state universities at that rate? I have been to OSU, OSUA (Later UNAD) and they are even worse. It is only rational that the nexus between the state of some of our institution and the decline in employability is not far fetched. I am not even sure if any of the top organization will even give our State Universities any look, talkless of wanting to employ their fresh grads.
3. I have no idea of the project I am defending?? you're simply ridiculous....

mapet: 2. Those whom government have social contract with are simply what it is. The people that voted the government in power, the opposition parties that did not vote the government yet have a stake in the system, the citizens.....what's difficult for you to get in that.

The railway equipment including electric power, signalling, rolling stock, and fare collection equipment will be provided by the PRIVATE SECTOR UNDER A CONCESSION CONTRACT. LAMATA is responsible for policy direction, regulation, and infrastructure for the network.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos_Light_Rail

larride: I finished my secondary school in a public school, the govt. paid for my waec, my junior ones are also going to public school, I know a number of people that withdrew their children from private to public school, schools are being re-constructed and re-modeled, free books and standard quality teachers. I guess that's meant for the elite also
The street which house my church has been tarred after been neglected for over a decade. No street along Ojodu-Berger through omole hasn't been tarred, I guess those roads are for the elites also and the poor man must pay for using those roads
LUTH which a family friend went too and get treated and even collected free drugs is also meant for the elites.
The maternity homes that are being built are for the elites also
I'm very sure that only the elites will use the metro rail line when completed, I'm sure its the elites that make use of the BRT, I'm sure none of the masses will be allowed to pass through the badagry expressway when completed and commisioned because its just for the elites.
I'm sure that only the elites can pass through the BRT lanes without being arrested
I'm sure the office of the Public Defender is open only to the elite.

Why must Fashola led Government focus his view just on the elites. This is really frustrating.

djustice: Your lies will eventually lead you to complete ruin and utter desolation, which will permeate whatever miserable generations you leave behind. Is it Fashola that told you that he's only borrowing at 1%? The bonds alone have a guaranteed return of 13% per annum to those that buy them. May you go insane and lose your cognitive abilities altogether for this sick lie you came to tell on behalf of your paymasters. May misery and lack be your constant companions till you crawl back into the hole you came from. Oloshious fellow.

Originalsly: Let me try to make some sense.The university is cut loose...it has to be funded by tuition since that would be about the only source of income. The cost of tuition would be so high tbat only the elite can afford to send their kids.Since the institution would now be strapped for cash to either pay the lecturers on time or/and to attract Grade A lecturers...some of the present lecturers would leave and the standard of the university would fall.Are the elite going to enroll their kids there? No. The dwindling number of students would be unable to sustain the cost of running the university which would then be closed. Still owned by the State...what do you think the State will do then? Two things...either put it up for sale or subsidize its operation by a private entity.Either way...the tax payers would be shafted ... since if sold...it would be way below its market value and if subsidized...the taxpayers would be paying for the maintenance and other costs while the private entity pocket the tuition fees. My guess is the private entity that would buy the university would be no other than one of the mega churches.I tried!

Eko Ile: What are you talking about? Making the school self sustained with tuition is not privatization and if you think it is, then who are the private investors or private companies in charge? The students right.


Abeg make some sense..

mapet: 1. Of course it is apparent you weren't raised in Nigeria, else one begins to wonder the reality of some of your submission with what is the reality in Lagos. Flash news I live here.
2. The facilities built in LASU is not my argument, I thought you'll have gotten that by now. The issue is Lagos State government has taken a decision to make LASU self sustaining. That means it will pay it Wages and operating cost, it will fund researches, paying research grants, it will embark on capital projects, it will take some addition risk in capital expenditure in terms of ventures etc. Please this is not the typical "political" projects you see in the media. This is about building and maintaing and academic community. If you're interested in the project, aside from the ones some forumites have given here, I can't help you.

2. I don't know where to place your further analysis on drop in university enrolment rates in Europe and the US, I don't know which authority you are and on which basis I would take this submission as sacrosant. But these are my arguments; (1) It is not compulsory for everybody to go to the university. University is not the only means of even getting a white collar job, so all the hoopla about.

to be continued........gotta go for now

mapet: 1. Government will only provide affordable house to those whom they have social contract with. Now when we have a gap between the supposed "poor" (who in reality their status in Lagos constitute an apparent problem) and the truly working class in Lagos (either Civil Servant, private sector employee, artisans and other business men)then those who are have no legitimate business in Lagos will subjected harsh realities. There are people that migrated into Lagos to seek greener pastures; well body is well within his/her right to seek greener pastures in new places, but when we have people with no visible means of livelihood, they seemingly end up in the wrong end of the equation.

2. I share your sentiments on provision of affordable housing. The Lagos State has launched a strategy in this regard as well; Fashola had announced this last year. But even with a provision of affordable housing, It is still the middle class that will benefit. You see those Makoko and most of the people in the shantees will not benefit. Those that argued that the option left for them is to go back to their state have a reason. (1) How will you benefit from those affordable houses if you don't pay tax (2) How will you benefit if Lagos State government don't have your records. Do you know the over 18-20million population of Lagos state actually from the estimated data of the housing enumeration and counts at the last censors. The people living in those shanties and slum can hardly be accounted for.

3. Please tell me what bad policies you're talking about. Save me that your "....read up what affordable housing means....." blabla, I am well conversant with it mind you.... so tell me something new.

senbonzakura_kageyoshi: Either you you have seen the logic behind that statement and can't argue it or you just want to sidestep its truth. If there is any fallacy in that statement, I would like you to kindly point it out.

senbonzakura_kageyoshi: No, i put the Lagos state government as an entity with its own mind and interests and the Federal government and other state governments as other entities with their own ideas and interests. The people of Lagos state (indigenes and residents alike) are a part of the state government because they voted it into power.

mapet: Your sister was once a VC and told you that income from school fees alone can build the infrastructure
1. That is damn ridiculous.
2. Either you're ignorant, economical with the truth or someone ran a mushroom administration.
3. Even notable universities in the world still rely on subventions, money from the institution foundations, private sector investments and support and government support.

mapet: 1. You're quite right.
2. If government continues to provide houses, it will largely get into the hands of those who can pay for them (these people have one or more houses in the first place.
3. On what basis will a government provide house for someone just because he "found his way to Lagos and is currently hustling" or because "he's poor".
4. I really love your suggestion and I think Fashola government is currently working the procedure of such a long term loan facilities. I think it can be taken further to a level where government identify some proven developers, jointly secures loan facilities for these developers to build massive low cost flats/estates. These can then be allocated to registerd Lagosians, who are tax paying and track record to have worked and lived in Lagos for a number of years....... even with this done, tell me how the supposedly "the poor" as painted in the article will qualify

luvinhubby: When we borrow to build we mortgage the furure of our children, when we sell public utilities to foreign, private firms, we reduce the value of our people, MEGA CITIES ARE BUILT BY MEGA PEOPLE, not capitalist institutions that are out to maximise profits at whatever cost.
What Fashola shud do first as a step to build a mega city is introduce empowerment schemes & welfare packages, soft-loans, micro-credit schemes, low interest revolving loans among established coperatives and unions etc. This way you build a people that can be taxed to build the mega city.

senbonzakura_kageyoshi: At the risk of sounding elitist, i'll say let the poor move to rivers state in that case. Funny thing is, most of you guys complaining are not from Lagos state. If other state governors are doing their jobs so well, why are people still trooping into Lagos state? You guys fail to state the FG's responsibility, or the responsibilities of the state governments of over half the people that reside in Lagos state, but when it comes to bashing the LSG, you become champions. Other state governments borrow money....and we can't see even flowers and gardens to show for it! Look, not all states have to do things the same way...the Lagos state governemnt has decided which way it wants the state to follow....anyone that says they can't see what the LSG is doing, either the worst lier in history or incredibly sense.

Symphony007: I have said it and will continue! You can't build a mega city of lagos on the back of the poor. Fashola is doing great making lagos beautifull. Roads,bridges,flowers,etc. But where is the humanitarian development? Rivers state might not be perfect infastructurally but it educational system is the best in nigeria. Every thing ranging from uniforms,bags,sandals, and even lunch is free. Parents who don't send their kids to school are presecuted. Their is a range of schemes supporting small buisness and the largest overseas scholarship scheme in nigeria. If fashola really wants to crown his achievements in lagos he should help the poor rather than trying to push them to the obsurity of his beautifull mega city cause frankly they're going no where.

Paentera: One thing - the loans for LASG are development loans payable over a thirty (30) year period and at a rate of 1%. If he didn't do that borrowing today to uplift the infrastructure of the state, one day you'll turn around to blame him for not taking the opportunity when it was available. Stop being alarmist with half told stories.

Paentera: One thing - the loans for LASG are development loans payable over a thirty (30) year period and at a rate of 1%. If he didn't do that borrowing today to uplift the infrastructure of the state, one day you'll turn around to blame him for not taking the opportunity when it was available. Stop being alarmist with half told stories.

llljoseph1: I totally agreed with you my dear. It’s good to transform Lagos but you have to consider lots of things. How many low cost houses have the government build for displaced poor when you destroy their homes? Do you build any industry when you take okada out of the road? etc

modupea: Hey bros, I don't agree with you on this. I live in that locality and I bear witness to what he said. There is a market nearby called Alade Market and there then was Chicken seller stalls. But these people moved there wares to the bus stop area because there was no rule of law. They are back to where they belong. Another example, on Carter bridge at the Lagos Island end, some years ago I dare not drive through that area because of people displaying their wares. For your information, larger percentage of them have shops inside the market but now, though there is still street trading, I go through the road to my workplace. It even reduces pressure on third mainland bridge. The government must act sometimes harshly to get things done. There are too many people in Lagos. Everyone wants to get to Lagos. Maybe there should be an head count based on the state of origin then the states should start paying some percentage of their allocation to Lagos to take care of their citizens.

senbonzakura_kageyoshi: One fact is that, we can't become the developed country we are aiming for without dropping the vestiges of under development. All those slums, okadas and stuff....they've got to go. I support resettling displaced people....but one thing you have to knw is that....Lagosians only learn the hard way. Even if you resettle the current crop of slum dwellers, another set will move in or spring up else where. Lagos state is doing the job of the FG and other state governments when you consider hw many people troop into Lagos on a daily basis. You can't expect the state government to cater for the ever expanding population with the limited allocation from the Federal government. We live in a society that is increasingly capitalist, yet the state government tries to take care of its responsibilities. Give it some credit.

omiobo: A good leader must not be afraid of stepping on toes. My view on Fashola govt is that all victims of his govt are the ones who survives through illegal means or who unlawfully occupied places to carry out business activities.
We should stop mistaking Fashola for a man of evil for trying to sanitize Lagos state. With patience and endurance,I believe the poor will see reasons why they should share the same view with Fashola when the seeds sowed today start bearing fruit tomorrow.

OBA DAN: The writer said 1% of its(lagos) population enjoys the mega city blab, why can't you instead of complaining belong to the 1%, if you say you are poor you are, just try to be positive in your thinking

luvinhubby: What then is the respinsibility of the state if they have to overrcharge students to provide educational infrastructure, if the state can charge higher than some private universities, what then is the hope of children of the low income earners for tertiary education.

Moreover a situation where over 2,000 students out of 3900 that was given admission in LASU last session dropped because they could not afford the high fees is highly disappointing.

emiye: Improved infrastructure ! , Lots of construction going on in that school as i speak (Central Library, Senate House, Lecture Theathres , Sport centre, Zoological Garden e.t.c I will get pictures if chanced.

I also realise the increase affected the fresh intakes only (JAMBITES) Those in year 2 and above are not affected (do your research)

There is a clause for a Jambites who pays that much, Make 4.0 / 5.0 for the session and earn your tuition fee back + extras.

I agree the amount is on the high side, but sometimes trade off is the name of the game.