₦airaland Forum

InfiniteLoopx:
Throwback is a devil incarnate. May the experiecne of innocent fallen Biafran children be the portion of his future generation.

Are you one of those who gleefully and willfully chose to fight a war and promised destruction, only to lament after an unconditional surrender that they were not shown mercy during the war?

What stopped the rebels from negotiating a surrender when they were already blockaded but still posed a threat that could be employed to negotiate a compromise?

Why wait till hunger set in, and deliberately cultivated to win a media propaganda that failed?

Why wait until all was lost before capitulating to an unconditional surrender?

DeeMain:
Beautiful nonsense. All warped logic and zero heart.

You sir is the definition of a seared callous mind.

For your information Nnamdi Azikiwe, Ironsi or even the coup plotters' sins do not represent the Igbo nation's sins just like Jonathan's sins did not represent that of the entire Ijaw nation.

These people were humans that made mistakes, erred and had weaknesses just like Obafemi Awolowo and the rest of us. Stop equating the wisdom or lack of it and the mistakes of one man or a group of men to that of their whole tribe.

It's this sort of tribal stereotype and propaganda that led to the pogrom and the subsequent civil war which we are still on the aftermath till this day.

Do well to find your lost humanity young man. Feel. Empathize. Swap places. Use your brain to make the world a better place.

I cannot feel for a man who hates me and who is gloating. There are no tender feelings in such interactions.

SakuraSimiola:
Someone is telling you starving children is wrong.

And your response is

Mercy only has its place in war after a surrender, not before.

You see the psychopaths our nation produces?

This is the legacy of hatred. Where we hate each other so much we justify the unjustifiable.

If only Ojukwu cared about his people like you care. Maybe he would have allowed them to have food rather than use them as tools of media propaganda.

I repeat, mercy is only expected after a surrender and not before.

Anyone who chose to fight a war already expects death as a possible outcome.

Igboid:
I take it that this is you admitting that other than the usual Yoruba propaganda media machine, you have no neutral third party account, validating this your Yoruba falsehood.

Thank you.

Go back to history and undo it.

Igboid:
How exactly were Zik achievement in the Eastern region, abysmal, in comparison to those of Awolowo.

Available stats had it that The Eastern region in the 60s under Zik, we're leading in most facets of development, throughout the whole country.

Were both Awolowo and Azikiwe premiers of their respective regions in the 1960s?

Igboid:
Apart from Yoruba oluwole propaganda gazette and media.
Can we get a foreign neutral media news carrying this Ikejina story, I take Yoruba narratives with a pinch of salt, knowing how liable to propaganda and propagation of Igbophobic falsehoods, you folks are.

I am waiting.

You are expecting foreign news to cover a story of tribalism and certificate forgery affecting a character of the University of Ibadan?

Did any foreign news media in this 21st century cover the Dino Melaye ABU scandal or his claims that he graduated from Harvard that Harvard denied?

But you want foreign news media source for a scandal that was news in the University of Ibadan campus community in the 1960s?

She must have a very weak husband, to the extent that his family sent assassins after you on numerous occasions.

Or she is an actress who has confused her life story for a movie script she rehearsed.

MrPolitics:
This doesn't prove that the money was used otherwise though
And I'm pretty sure Jan 20th isn't 2 weeks away from March 28th.
The VP said 2 weeks to the elections

He said weeks before, and January till March qualifies as weeks before, even if up to 7 or 8 weeks.

And till late January, the elections were meant to hold on 14th February 2015.

The writer needs to be prosecuted for murder of grammar.

Deadlytruth:
As per the first bolded, Zik was the originator of tribal slurs in Nigeria. As far back as 1944 he had, among several other reckless tribalistic utterances, enthused that "the god of Igbos had placed on their hands the future of leading Africa out of slavery".

On the second bolded; what you seem to believe is actually a lie which has come to stick like a truth because it has been repeated over the years for nearly six decades running now. But documented facts show clearly that Zik did not really win that election or even come close to winning it. The so much hackneyed cross carpeting essentially done by just two persons and without it Zik would have still lost the election. I have the comprehensive and detailed account of the election and I can furnish you with it if you will not mind.
How does it even make sense that Awolowo was so superhuman that he could use tribalism to change the results of an election for which the Electoral body had openly declared Zik winner and yet Zik could not approach any single court to recover his mandate?

Awolowo's clarion call in that election was that it was wrong under federal principle for a non-Westerner (not necessarily a non-Yoruba) to be allowed to rule the Western Region since the creation of regions was in the first instance done in response to the demand for self governance by each region's natives.
Recall that there were non-Yoruba tribes like Binis, Akoko-Edos, Etsakos, Owans, Esans, Urhobos, Itshekiris, Isokos, Ijaws and even Igboids (Aniomas) native to the Western Region back then. Was Awolowo against the ambition of any of these non-Yoruba Westerners to become premier? Did any Anioma (the Igboid) show interest and Awolowo kicked against it? He did not want an Easterner to rule the Western Region and vise versa. That was not tribalism but advocacy of strict regionalism.
Awolowo was a hard core federalist, and federalism seeks, in principle, to allow every tribe and regions to be in total control of her own affairs and assert herself, hence strict adherence to federalism naturally appears like tribalism. That was what Zik failed to realize despite all his acquired degrees.

I already know the details of that election where till today, the NCNC loyalists still alive cannot mention the names of their party candidates who contested or who won while AG had their own records of all those who contested on their platform and those who lost and those who one.

I once had a record of that list, but can't locate same now.

Kindly furnish me here with all available historical fact.

ODVanguard:
Yes o. A Zik premiership in the Western region at the time would have gone down as the greatest political defeat on SW Yoruba soil for many generations. The shame for too much abeg, coz dem for no allow us hear word again o . And if our people had defended their tolerance of such development as a testament of their tolerance and sophistication as a race, no, they wouldn't have none of that and would instantly retort that we just simply lacked competent leaders that could have assumed the position. They would tell us to our faces that we are just weak like that, and needed an igbo 'savior/redeemer', in the person of Azikiwe, to come straighten us out and help us attain 'development'. You know what is funny is that once upon a time, before I became more conscious, I actually once entertained the possibility of an Igbo governor in Lagos, but omo, knowing what I now know about these folks and their inbred hatred toward us, i now consider such a prospect/development as a calamity of inexplicable proportions for the Yoruba race -- all they would need is a 4-year tenure to nepotistically displace every other group in the state. There's just no pleasing them, unless of course we allow them to overrun our lives and region unencumbered coz they 'merit' and are entitled to it. I guess I am just not that sophisticated anymore. The country should just split so that everybody will go and bear their father's name for the sake of peace. Enough of the oju aiye abeg.

Same feelings here about once harbouring thoughts that a non-Yoruba could someday win majority support and votes to become a governor in Lagos. This is because I believe in a true republic.

But with the true feelings that Nairaland has helped to unveil, I now know my enemy who stays in my domain yet is never happy with any positive news therein, and I want him to know that I hate him too.

I have realised that I was one of those stupid Yorubas that the Igbos always like. I would rather they hate me as that tribalist who will protect his own inheritance too and point out their many crafty past deeds they would want to keep buried.

ODVanguard:
Dont mind those hypocrites. That Zik loss is still paining them till today, probably as much as (if not worse than) Soyinka's Nobel laureate win against their Achebe preference. See, I am always thankful that Zik's longthroat ambition to become Western premiere was stopped in its tracks (they can continue sulking about that failure na dem sabi). Else we probably wouldn't have recorded the many firsts that hallmarked Awolowo/Action Group's administrative era, like first the first T.V station in subsaharan Africa, tallest building/skyscraper, the establishment industrial areas, etc, that are still very much around till today.

I doubt that Zik could have achieved anything close to that considering the abysmal and unimpressive legacy he left behind as premiere of the Eastern region - you can't give what you don't have. And also, thanks to that failure on his part, we have been spared what would been another chest-thumping exercise from his people. They would have invented the narrative that it was Zik that 'developed' Ibadan and by extension the rest of the SW; a feat he failed to register in his own backyard throughout his lifetime. Little wonder they honour the likes of Nnamdi Kanu and Ojukwu above him even up till today, yet they expected us to gift the highest leadership position in our region to such a character?

If Zik had won, they would have told us that they were the ones that brought development to Yorubaland.

They would have told us we were so lazy that an Igboman had to be pleaded with to run our region for us.

The arrogant would have said we were so stupid and weak, and could not suppress the dominating spirit of the Igbos, as such we did not have a choice than to surrender to Igbo superiority.

They would have rewritten history and told us that no Yoruba was educated enough to be a good political administrator.

What I love most yet find absurd, is that it pains them and Azikiwe dearly as though their own region was so useless they had to make a good impression elsewhere.

T9ksy:
@ bolded........................ GBAM!!!

LOBATAN!!!

One just can't win with these people. what a greedy and conflicted tribe.

The day you show an Igbo friend that you are not a fool, you become his immortal enemy.

It is either you are his lazy fool or you are his enemy.

It is good that many Yorubas are now awoken to the Igbos and their cunning ways.

Igboid:
“Its (mass starvation) is a legitimate aspect of war (Anthony Enahoro, Nigerian Commissioner for Information at a press conference in New York, July 1968)

“Starvation is a weapon of war, and we have every intention of using it against the rebels” (Mr Alison Ayida, Head of Nigerian delegation, Niamey Peace talks, July 1968.)

“The Igbos must be considerably reduced in number”, Lagos Policeman quoted in New York Review 21 December, 1967)


“Until now efforts to relieve the Biafran people have been thwarted by the desire of the central government to pursue total and unconditional victory and by the fear of the Ibo people that surrender means wholsesale atrocities and genocide. But genocide is what is taking place right now- and starvation is the grim reaper. This is not the time to stand on ceremony, or go through channels or to observe diplomatic niceties. The destruction of an entire people is immoral objective, even in the most moral of wars. It can never be condoned”, (Richard Nixon, during the presidential campaign, September 9, 1968)

“All is fair in war, and starvation is one of the weapons of war. I don’t see why we should feed our enemies fat in order for them to fight harder”, (Chief Obafemi Awolowo, Nigerian Minister of Finance, July 28, 1969)

Why were you still fighting a war when you were already at the mercy of your enemy?

The moment you were encircled by your opponent, common logic should have told you it was time to negotiate a surrender then, rather than capitulate to an unconditional surrender later.

Besides I remember it was also Biafran boast then that they would rather have weapons than to have food? Why didn't they chew on the weapons when hunger finally descended?

You were ready for war only to cry later that you were not shown mercy.

Even the Igbos who were still being accommodated in Lagos, upon hearing that Biafran forces were at MidWest region and approaching the West, were noted to have been rejoicing and boasting to their Yoruba accommodators that Ojukwu will soon bomb Lagos.

That is how vile and suicidally senseless a creature you are.

SakuraSimiola:
This is why people hate us.

This is why Nigeria does not work.

The blockade was civilian genocide. It had nothing to do with the military.

These were children who had nothing to do with the politics of grown men.

Starving children is WRONG

It's wrong in Igbo culture.

It's wrong in Hausa culture.

It's wrong in Yoruba culture.

In 2018 we cannot justify our forefathers starving millions of children and call ourselves civilised.

And we wonder why these people hate us.

They hate Yorubas for many reasons.

Firstly you dare to become premier in your own tribal region when an Igboman migrant was also aspiring to the post.

You dared to win a war where they wanted to ilegally secede and attempted to invade the SouthWest in a bid to keep the war tied down in Yorubaland, while the aggressors would be enjoying peace in their own region.

They love to gloat to other tribes but have realised gloating to the Yorubas is a case of a child boasting to his teacher.

If Ojukwu refused to surrender after being defeated with a successful economic blockade, the result is what they suffered, only to later surrender after Ojukwu ran away to preserve his own and his family's cherished life.

If Ojukwu refused to accept the land corridor always offered by the Nigerian side as the route to allow food get to Biafra, then the blood of the dead is on the head of Ojukwu. Little wonder he died as an invalid while his contemporaries like Gowon and Obasanjo look fit as ever.

If Biafra failed to secure food for its people being already landlocked inside Nigeria as the federal forces had already secured the coastal territories, then that failed republic was only hoping to win the war by mercy and media propaganda, which it did do and failed.

Mercy only has its place in war after a surrender, not before. Also a beggar can never dictate terms by which it will receive humanitarian supplies, such that it insisted on the air route so as to stealthily import weapons to ensure the war continued.

Of good note is that all that was done as police action to get the illegal Biafra to retrace its step, were the very actions that Azikiwe outlined as punitive measures that will be taken by Nigeria against the North if that region tried to illegally secede from Nigeria, as he had already ensured that secession was not allowed in the constitution.

And we wonder why these people reject the very practices, policies, rules, laws and decree they foisted on Nigeria.


In 2018 we cannot justify the stupidity of continuing in a war when you are already at the mercy of your enemy, only to surrender eventually.

emmysoftyou:
i thought they said azikiwe is just a ceremonial president?
How come he has Alot of hidden powers to execute his favourable decisions.

Hmmm

He was a ceremonial president since we had the executive Prime Minister.

However, he had his own powers too, and he ensured he "tribalised" it to benefit his people with federal appointments.

Ben Murray Bruce would have made an excellent presidential candidate if we did not know him better, but he already became a senator and so we already know he is as useless as the rest of them.

Has he paid up his debts to AMCON?

Buhari has been cursed to always disgrace himself.

Mr integrity has washed himself down the toilet.

She might have been killed already for being a Christian.

emmysoftyou:
young man stop contradicting yourself.
Your case is like Isaac and Ismael.

Accept your fate.

Igbo amaka

Look it this one battling with history.

Go and uproot the university in Ibadan to rewrite history so you can gloat properly.

Good for the freed girls!

I only hope that money did not change hands to empower the terrorists for another profit yielding engagement.

As for those who are not happy that the girls are released, your agony does not hinder their freedom.

perez100:
North, South have said Awolowo brought tribalism into our politics but you will quickly post your false stories from Afonja writers to counter it. Trump told his state to vote for him because he was capable and not because he is from the same state with them. #cursedAwolowo...

Again another hateful and bitter Igboman who cannot forget Awolowo because he dared to become premier in his own Western region, democratically.

Is it your region?

Do we concern ourselves with the politics of your then Eastern region?

Or did Azikiwe not run back to the East and ensured he substituted another parliamentarian to obtain an Eastern seat, and from there ensured he usurped the premiership of the Efik Eyo Ita?

So now the North is your confirmation, yet when same North said they would only employ Northerners into the regional jobs, your people wailed hopelessly about the policies of that regional government that was considering the welfare of its own citizens?

The problem of the Igbo is that you want to be everywhere and you want to dictate everywhere.

When you are not allowed, you condemn. When you are allowed, you boast and gloat.


And mind you, Trump was one of those who aimlessly rejected Obama because he is black, and continued to propagate the false conspiracy that he was born in Kenya and not America.

While Awolowo campaigned on a platform that promised free education. He won and he implemented it, but guess who continue till today to rubbish such a scheme that benefited all those resident in the West?
Igbos like you.

CSTR2:
There is nothing wrong with asking yorubas to vote for you on your own merit.

Asking them to vote for you because you are Yoruba and the other is not ,is called tribalism.

Zik never played such politics. That is why he is the zik of Africa, while the other is a known ethnic champion.

Awolowo nor any Yoruba politician do not owe any Igboman explanations for their political campaign among their own people.

Azikiwe himself campaigned in the East after he finally found his village. He did not go there to campaign as a Yoruba man, same way Awolowo is expected to campaign as A Yoruba man to his own people, just as Ahmadu Bello campaigned to his own Northerners too.

Just admit that Azikiwe was fighting a lost cause, and only had the hope that his Yoruba party members would also win their own seats in Parliament to score a majority.
If it were a presidential system, I assure you that Azikiwe would only score as much votes as Awolowo would have scored in the North, and Ahmadu Bello would have scored in the East.

What is tribalism is you Igbonizing federal jobs and appointment. And recruiting into federal establishments with the aim to flood it with Igbos. You enjoyed it while it lasted.

While it lasted!

imhotep:
ok

Yet we were already a politically conscious and educated society despite the colonialism.

A society that only knew there were some Igbo bushmen somewhere in the East, while some were working as domestic servants to the British in Yorubaland.

This was the same time that university educated Yoruba men were debating with the British colonialists on the welfare of their people and region, and contributing to the growth of their region.

Your own people were in the evil forest fighting wrestling while naked girls were dancing to their delight.

perez100:
@throwback, all these your false stories written by envious and hateful Afonjas cannot help you. Tomorrow, all the lies written against Ngozi Okonjo Iwela by your Afonja Journalists to discredit her will be your children source of research for facts.

If only the envious and hateful Igbos could disprove them.

If only!

imhotep:
Respect your elders

You've forgotten I am Yoruba.

You can be gloating to the Igalas or Urhobos.

We are the ones you always have to catchup to.

You wish you could erase that history, buy you can't.

seunmsg:
I really don't get your point. Are you saying Awolowo shouldn't have contested for the western region premiership position because Zik was more popular? Did Zik's party win the majority of seats in the western region Parliament to enable him become premier? What the fvck is tribalism in a Yoruba man asking Yoruba people to vote for him?

Please ask them ooo.

These Igbo people are a special breed of delusional entitled brats.

When you allow them have their way, they boast that you were stupid or lazy to have allowed them to dominate in your own region.

Awolowo that was not stupid or lazy, and campaigned for his own seat and party in his own region, is a tribalist for not allowing Azikiwe ascend the throne of his Igbo forefathers that they kept in Ibadan.

OnyeOGA:
who is crying
Nobody is crying.
Try to make use of ur common sense.

Which tribe is known as the weeping boys of Nigeria.

Which tribe eternally laments about marginalization since the end in 1966 of their nepotism and tribalism in appointments?

Which tribe petitions UN and ICC more than any other tribe in Africa.

Igbo amaka!

CSTR2:
Awolowo was the first to introduce tribalism into politics when he asked yorubas to vote for him as a Yoruba man instead zik who was far popular all over Nigeria .
Is it any wonder when awolowo was jailed for treason?

Where are you getting your own history from?

As usual, we would always have an Igbo cry that Awolowo introduced tribalism into Nigerian politics by daring to compete to become premier of his own ethnic region.

You never shame to complain that others did not let you have your way in their own region. Yet when you have your way, you turn round to gloat that others were stupid to have let you dominate on their own turf while you held on to your own turf. Isn't it?

What is my business if Zik was far popular allover Nigeria, yet he couldn't get his party to win enough votes to become Prime Minister?

That Zik won his seat in Lagos to be a member of the Western Parliament, does that make him more popular than Awolowo in the West?

Or you think if not for the parliamentary system we practiced, Azikiwe could have secured votes in his own name alone to compete with a Westerner in the West? Who knows Zik in Ibadan or Ondo or Ogbomosho or Ekiti. Zik only stood a chance because he had other Yorubas from his party wining their own seats in a parliamentary system, and Zik being the party leader would also lead them in a government if they form a majority.

But when it came to the federal government, Zik as Governor General/President, ensured he Igbonized every position that was of value, such that those Igbos appointed to high offices ensured they used their position to get more Igbos into federal offices and employment. Yet you say that was meritocracy while Awolowo was a tribalist in a tribal region. How absurd is that?

The joke is on you.


CC: Jollymizzle

imhotep:
First VC of UNILAG - -Eni Njoku (Igbo)
First VC of UI - - - - -Kenneth Dike (Igbo)
First university in Nigeria - - Nsukka (Igboland)

Now dobale and pay homage

cc lzaa onyeoga

Yes we have already discussed such products of Igbo nepotism and tribalism that is presented as meritocracy in appointments by Azikiwe and his appointees.

Now you are the ones lamenting over such and crying marginalization.

talk2percy:
he was looking for greener pasture in the west?? U have gat to be kidding me! Or he was trying to enlighten and bring u guys outta ancestral bondage??

Yet Azikiwe only remembered he came from the East after his ambitions had been thwarted in the West.

How can a region that did not have a secondary school until 1925, bring enlightenment to the West.

What political parties or movements did you have established in the Eastern region before Azikiwe was handed his party by his Yoruba political benefactor?

Have you finally enlightened your own region to abolish the Osu caste system it practices as an ancestral bondage?

imhotep:
UNN is the first Nigerian university, stop playing around with suffersticated fake logic

You are the one that continues to play around with a false delusion.

I have already had you rephrasing your own previous boastful statements. That should tell you something about your ignorance.

UI is Nigeria's first university while UNN is the first Nigerian university to award its own degree.

It is as simple as that.