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Bet no one can get a perfect score on this.

http://exchristian.net/3/

sconp:
Faith is good, but follow it up with drugs and prayer.
Some people have terrible sickness and refuse to take drugs stating that the God they serve would deliver them. Forgetting that faith and work works together.

Faith + Works = Results
Works - Faith = Results
Faith - Works = FAIL

It's always so sad when people chose to believe in myths over tried and tested human knowledge. Multiple experiments over the past century have shown repeatedly that prayers have absolutely no effect on the outcomes of diseases in the real world. Look up the Great Prayer Experiment for one example. Or just look to Liberia even. With an 85.5% Christian population, I'm pretty sure they're praying and crying loud for healing from God. So far it seems all he's done is sit back and watch Ebola ravage them and their children, and in the end, the cure is still going to have to come through science.

I spit on all the religious figureheads out there that know this and still prey on people's ignorance for their own financial gain.

If you have the data, please watch this documentary. It follows the supposed 'healed' persons at Reinhard Bonnke and Benny Hinn crusades, to examine if they truly got healed.

Spoiler Alert: NO ONE GETS HEALED THROUGH PRAYERS!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJfaaPdP0kI

neoapocalypse:
Being an atheist is probably a very daunting task in Nigeria especially when your whole family are religious fanatics , I have been ostracized and degraded. If I were you I'll keep my beliefs to myself and live life one day at a time.

I can only imagine what you've had to go through. But don't you think speaking out about your beliefs creates a very necessary awareness? When I was much younger, I hardly ever questioned my religious beliefs, just because I didn't know that I could!

WOW. SMH for this entire thread.

Especially this

peteregwu:
The White men call it UFO, but the bible spoke of demons, the Antichrist that is to come. Most of the white men don't believe in God, they want to deceive people and not to make them believe their is Satan and demons.

https://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120922215052/creepypasta/images/a/ab/Jesus_facepalm.jpg

yungEX:
buhahahhahhahahahhahahaahahahHahahahhahahahhahahaaaahahahaahahahahabahhahahahahaahhahahahahahhahahahaahhhaha


I PRAY U DIE IN UR MISERY-

Model Christian right here, everyone.

I seriously cannot describe in words how utterly perplexed I am at the OP's conclusion.

How can you riff off that many errors, falseties and contradictions in the entire Bible (not just the Old Testament), and then conclude that only the words attributed to Jesus are true?

Surely this is a joke. If the Bible fails at providing truthful and consistent information on as many issues as the OP listed, on what grounds then can one assume that it gets anything right about the 'existence' of Jesus?

Pakingzzz:
Mr Timmy,if i needed any proof that you never followed this thread from the begining,that dopey question you asked sure clinches it..
You don't want to know about the mechanics,your only curiosity is if it flies right?
Mr Timmy,i haven't mentioned yet in this thread,that i have done any flight test.
I don't rush my projects like that.. Just in case you don't know. I have 6 other different project am working on,more diverse than this one. So i aint done even a maiden.

I'm sorry you find my question offending man. None was intended. Like I mentioned already, you're doing awesome work, and I'm a fan!

I could be wrong, but the last pictures gave the impression that you were done building, and naturally I was curious to know if you had done any flight tests after. Since seeing this though, I've checked around for videos of similarly-built homemade RC planes, just to satisfy my curiosity. This guy has a particularly nice collection (http://www.skyhighhobby.com/plane-pictures)

Anywho, keep up the good work. I'll be following.

Apparently, Hoverboards are now a thing! Only ten have been made so far, and they have all been sold for $10,000 on the company's Kickstarter campaign.

https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/hendo_hoverboards_world_s_first_real_hoverboard_by_hendo_hover_kickstarter.jpg

More info on the device from Mashable.

The future technology from Robert Zemeckis' legendary film Back to the Future seemed impossible in 1989. But a new Kickstarter campaign wants to make at least part of it a reality.

The Hendo Hoverboard was created by Jill and Greg Henderson, a California couple, who hope to put their hover technology in the hands of developers by July 2015. It will come in the form of a white box with hoverboards following a few months later.

A writer for GigaOM took the hoverboard for a spin. She says the experience was like “standing on a giant air hockey puck hovering three quarters of an inch above the ground.”

There is one big catch with the technology. The hoverboard can only be used over a non-ferrous metal surface, so you can’t just take it for a spin at your local skate park, and steering is also an issue, according to Engadget.

However, Hendo readily admits that perfecting the hoverboard will take "a little more time and resources." What you see in the video above is just a proof of concept, a precursor to what the creators hope to build.

Even if we don't see kids hoverboarding everywhere in a couple of years, the technology — which consists of hover engines that create a magnetic field, and battery cells — could have other interesting applications. Hendo is offering it to everyone in the form of a Whitebox Developer Kit, enabling anyone to create hovering objects with ease.

If the Kickstarter reaches its funding goal of $250,000 by its deadline of December 15, the first round of Hendo Hoverboards will be available on Oct. 21 of next year.

Source: Mashable

Awesome project man! And I like that you use a lot of recycled, everyday materials that would otherwise be in the trash dumps.

I know absolutely nothing about the aerodynamics of flight, so I'm curious to know if this flies. Do you have any videos of pictures of it in flight?

MrPresident1

Please, I beg, please hook me up with your weed guy. That must be some skunkass chronic!

LOL my guy you just indiscriminately copied the entire Wikipedia page for "Existence of God." Na so e reach?

I am 100.1% sure that you haven't actually read through each argument to see what they say, and to come to your own conclusions on each one. Otherwise you would have realized that a lot of them contradict each other, even regarding their definitions of 'god'. Really, this is just a list of all the arguments that have been proposed for the existence of a 'god', both sensible or otherwise.

Maybe you should have posted the rest of the page containing arguments against the existence of God for us all to consider. After all, doesn't it befit a person to consider both sides of an argument before taking a stance?

Damn. I want to console you somehow, but I'm sure you made peace with your situation long ago.

Anyway, enjoy this one for the road.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GygEAcFFMVs

Like my homeboy Chris Rock said, if you're a black person, and a Christian, then you have a really short memory.

The folks you're conversing with on that forum are despicable and dumb, and are not in any way representative of the entire Caucasian population. When a person still holds so tightly to such millenia old Jewish myths like the story of Noah's Ark, then you might want to look inside their skulls to find where they lack the most.

For me, knowledge of the inexistence of the supernatural completely annihilates the want or need for any kind of "spirituality". I mean, I advocate and strive for complete self awareness, but not in such fashion that I try to find some external, nature-influencing cosmic force greater than myself.

Regarding purpose, my point of view of the world after religion is aptly defined by the following quote:

Since [losing religion], I've decided that the world is like a video game; you just keep going forward, accumulating all the skills, special powers and magic objects you can, bounding over greater and greater obstacles. Kill a dragon, save a princess, then start the next level.

OBO meets obo

Ghosts exist in the same realm as pink unicorns and righteous Nigerian pastors. Simply put, they do not exist. There is no evidence for their existence whatsoever, and nothing we know about biology suggests the existence of any alternate conscious being that emanates from human bodies after death.

On the other hand, there is a high probability that aliens do indeed exist. And by aliens, I mean alternate life forms similar to ours. It is estimated that there are 10²⁴ planets in our observable universe. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets! Accordingly, it is childish thinking, and just statistically absurd to think that life exists only on this one we're on. If only 0.0000001% of planets have life, then that leaves one thousand billion planets with life. That's 1 with 15 zeroes!

The unfortunate thing is that we might never find out for sure in our life times. The laws of physics apparent within the universe limit the possibility of travel through the enormous distances that exist between these potential life-holding planets. Sad really.

LOL why did you stop there? The next verse:

12. And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.


Moving on, where does it say in the bible that God knows magic but doesn't want humans to use it? And where does the supernatural power for magic come from?

malvisguy212:
Our God is not a magician.he is a miracle working God,magic dos not need faith,and when you dont need faith,you dont need God to believe in.

But you need faith to work miracle,faith in who? Faith in God.

@expressions. God bless you.

Once again, magic is simply the exertion of influence on events in the natural world, using seemingly supernatural powers. The bible contains numerous accounts of such actions from God, Jesus and a horde of prophets.

I think I already established with some of the bible instances I listed in the OP that not all "miracles" require faith or works from the human parties involved. When God produced water from rocks for the Israelites in Numbers 20, neither Aaron nor Moses believed him, and they were subsequently punished for it.

My question remains the the same. Why do you as a Christian use the phrase "God is not a magician"?

Is it because your common sense and experience tells you that God's supposed power (as written about in the bible) does not translate to the real world?

Expressions:
You called

But why use the word magic? Why associate His Name with magic in the first place??

Magic: an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source. You don’t think God's biblical exploits fit this description?
Seriously what greater feat of magic can there be than the creation of a universe itself from seemingly nothing? Or calling yourself to existence, again from nothing?

If you have a different definition of magic, I'd like to hear it.

Are you a Christian? A seeker? Are you just being curious? Is this sacarcsm? Or rhetorical?

I'll go with curious. Is it not a legitimate question?

Do you believe in miracles? Do you know the difference between miracles and magic?

Do you know that miracles cone from above and magic from below?

Do you know miracles must be in complete accord with God's Laws?

It’ll be very helpful if you can go through those examples I listed in the OP and let me know which ones qualify as magic/miracles, and how they meet this criteria.

Is something a miracle because it is performed by God, or is God capable of performing only miracles?

Do you know that fish and bread cannot be multiplied? And the moon and sun cannot be stilled for the sake of Man?

(Matt 15:32; Mark 8:1) Jesus multiplies 7 loaves and few fish. (Joshua 10:12-14) God keeps the sun and moon motionless while Joshua and his men fought. Maybe you should read more of your bible!

Do you know that truly a man can be raised from death only within a short period of his passing on? Nb*this miracle can't be performed by a fellow man though.

What is a short period? 4 days? Because that’s how long Lazarus was dead for before his alleged resurrection by Jesus.

If that does not shake up your short period hypothesis enough, Ezekiel 37 details dry bones “rising from the dead”! Whatever the heck that means. For reference, it takes over a year for a buried human body to decay until it‘s all bones and teeth.

Once again, read the damn book!

This topic is way bigger than mere discussions.

What’s so big about the topic that we can’t discuss? You can just say you don’t have the answers and bow out if you want.

Anyhow having said all the above, I need to ask again. Why do Christians use the phrase “God is not a magician”? I assume you’re a Christian yourself. Have you ever used this phrase? What was the context?

Does it not seem that Christians doubt the actual influence that God’s infinite power of miracle/magic possesses in reality? Basically, anything that seems out of the realm of possibility in human minds and according to natural laws is also impossible for God. What do you think of this?

Also consider this set of expressions:

Faith + Works = Results
Works - Faith = Results
Faith - Works = FAIL

Why do you think this is so?

If you were brought up a Christian, or have spent a significant amount of time around the faithful, then you must have heard this phrase a lot. "But God is not a magician!"

Typically this is uttered in response to a fellow Christian's request for something seemingly impossible from God. There's also the notion that simply displaying faith without working towards achieving this request yourself is asking too much of God.

However is this really the case? I mean let's look through the bible.

God: Without requiring any significant effort from any of the humans involved, he created the universe, tormented Egypt with plagues, split the Red Sea, dropped food from the skies, made the sun and moon "stand still", won multiple battles for the Israelites, and brought healing to the people countless times. There are more such "magical' miracles in the bible than I can count, all without significant effort from the human parties involved.

Jesus: In the same vein as his father, he turned water to wine, multiplied fish and bread, and replaced a soldier's severed ear without requiring any faith or effort from the recipients of these miracles. His other exploits include the healing of hundreds of sick people in such fashion, and even the regeneration of a man's severed hand. Let's not even talk of the resurrection.

Based on the above, the statement "God is not a magician" would seem to imply that Christians do not really believe in this omnipotent God, who can do ALL things.

If you do not agree that this is true, may I ask then, on what grounds do Christians make this statement? Has the power of God lost its potency in today's world? Is it the case that God used to be a magician, but not anymore? Why or why not?

Chrisbenogor:
Meanwhile just in case someone is in need of at least 160 million naira



Why waste internet ink arguing that it is true when you can be arguing and making money

I swear bros, I've said it here before o! Instead of arguing with random people on the internet, trying to convince them about the existence of such supernatural occurrences, how about they just do the same at Randi.org and make a cool 160 million NGN?!

Besides the money, they would have succeeded in convincing a lot of us skeptics! Seriously, it'll be the biggest win in the history of wins.

Anyone care to guess why the price still stands today, decades after it was created?

executioner:
I was going to expose the depths in Gen. 2 & 3 to you (those portions of Scripture are quite technical and, if misconstrued, could be damaging to even a 'Christian') but I just went through some of your past posts and Heb. 6:4-6 shut me up.

Don't use my unbelief as an excuse to extricate yourself from the discussion.

This is a public forum, and there will be quite a lot of people reading besides you and me. So, if you have any useful information to offer to the OP, or maybe 'technicalities' to expose, then please let the world hear it.

executioner:
Boy, read verse 4 again, and again. That is the lie he told. By including 'surely', he made the lie even more brazen. The devil also tells the truth, tells the half-truths, tells the half-lies, tells the lies, and tells the brazen lies. To make you believe the brazen lie, he gains your trust by telling you the obvious truth. It's called subtlety.

How was that a lie? The serpent said they wouldn't die if they ate the fruit, and they didn't.

I'm sure you didn't miss verse 22 up there in bold. It clearly implies that God created man to die naturally anyway, until man somehow stumbles across the tree of life and eats from it.

There's no lie or half-truth from the devil here. If you have any actual examples of the devil's lies from the bible, then please feel free to respond to the OP.

It is fair to note that, contrary to what most Christians believe, the devil neither lied nor employed 'trickery' in the biblical story of the Garden of Eden.

Genesis 2:
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
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7 And the eyes of them both were opened...
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22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

If we're being honest, it does seem here that God was the liar in this situation, and not the serpent.

I'll just leave this here.....

Original or copy, you decide.

Who was the Son of the highest God, and the biggest healer in Antiquity? He healed the sick and even raised the dead. Hear and behold: former paralysed walked again, the blind could miraculously see again, and the deaf could listen and the mute speak after the Master's gentle touch! But he did not only heal the body, he also healed the soul. They called him Saviour and Redeemer, and he healed both rich and poor, men and women, young and old, slaves and free men, friends and enemies. In one occasion a paralysed man was brough to him in his bed, and took his bed and left walking after the Saviour had touched him. What was this Saviour's name?

… Asklepios.

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Who was born by a mortal virgin mother and had a divine Father, and was known as the "Saviour of the world"? Before he was born his parents wandered to a bigger town, and prophets had foretold his birth and that he would be a king. This instigated a search for the infant Saviour by a leading figure who wanted to kill him. After growing up the Son of God was shown all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain. He also walked on water and when he met his end his mother and his favorite disciple stood by him. He then tells his mother: "Do not cry, I'm going to heaven". When he dies he utter: "It is finished" and the earth trembles and darkness cover the land. Then he ascended to heaven, and his greatest achievement was to conquer death.

His name was of course...Hercules.

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We all of course know the Redeemer who was no figure of pagan Greek polytheism. He was the true Saviour who wanted to help and save the sinful humans, by sacrificing himself. But he was willing to do this, out of love, pity and compassion for the humans.

His name:...Prometheus.

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Now, who was the real Son of God, born by a mortal virgin mother, and often presented as the venerated newborn infant, or depicted riding a donkey? He healed the sick and did numerous wonders, among those making fine wine from plain water. He was killed but resurrected from the dead and became immortal. The followers of this God often ate a holy meal in a kind of sacramental union with the deity to achieve immortality after their death. One of this god's finest achievements was his death, his sacrifice, which delivers the whole human kind.

The God was the very popular Dionysos.

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Who is the "Light of the World", the One, the God who defeated death? Born of a virgin mother, considered the first true King by the people. Who rose from the grave and ascended to heaven. He defeated death, and must be considered the single true God.

Of course the Egyptian Osiris!

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Now, the real God often called the "Light of the world", "The good shepherd", "The lamb" and is "…the way, the truth, and the life". Identified with a cross. Who could that be?

Horus, (the son of Osiris).

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The original "Light of the world" was the mediator between God and man and was born on the 25th of December. Local shepherds witnessed his birth and gave him gifts. He had 12 disciples, and when his work was done on earth he gathered together to a last supper, and then ascended to heaven. At doomsday he will return to pass judgment on both the living and the dead. The righteous will go to heaven and the sinful will be killed in a giant fire. Sunday is his holy day, and this religion gave us the seven days of the week. His followers called each other "brothers" and their leaders "fathers". They practiced baptism and established a sacred meal ritual, where flesh and blood was symbolically consumed by initiates. Above earth was heaven, and below the dark hell with demons and the sinners.

The 'Light of the World' is of course the sungod Mithra.

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Wise men were led to his birth by a star, and his conception was miraculous. After his birth the ruler in the area wanted him dead and started a hunt for the child. But his parents were warned by a heavenly messenger who told them to escape over the river with the holy child. Here, he was met by shepherds. The boy grew up and did many great deeds, and was the mediator between God and man.

His name: Krishna.

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The problem for Jesus is that all these deities are much older than him. You don't have to be very bright to see where the authors of the Gospels got their "divine inspiration" when they created the Jewish version of the popular God-Man/ World-Saviour of Antiquity.


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Ajibam:
Guess you don't know how they eventually get a section here on nairaland.
You can just try and find out what ensue.

wiegraf:
what us this striktlimy complaining about? which atheists do you see complaining per say (except the logicboy usual, and those are...)
we may even be careful, justifiably, and complain about our treatment irl, but not here.
however, there's a nice rant about Islam presently on the atheist chat thread. only reason I can think of for the lack of follow up is we're all gaddem tired of their nonsense. i may be wrong, but at least I am.
every time I see a rilwan or lanrex thread I think to myself, 'get in and shut this hipocritical oaf up'. they wouldn't allow this in their section yet here they are. then I think meh, this particular clowns aren't worth the bother. their ogas and chief house slaves though, Mac and tbaba, especially tbaba, come over every once in a while. I do enjoy visiting those, even if its just 'discussing' with the Borg, and they never learn. they have their section, with their own rules, yet here they are. eating cake and then having it.
there is nothing 'jealous' here. one group behaved atrociously, threatening a man, and then got 'rewarded'. others are wondering wtf, and why the continued preference?! why only them always with the special treatment? even balo is having to grow up
it is really, really silly. and, personally, if xtians want their own section. more power to them. it's only fair. others may disagree but meh. and these people aren't even asking for their own section, so this jealousy claims sef....

I'm really curious to know what went down leading to the creation of their section. Seems like there's quite the backstory here, and me I too like tory

You should definitely format this better to prevent any confusion.

I was about to go on a tirade inviting God to suck on my member anytime

Reiyvinn: If Jesus is the LITERAL, spoken Word of God, when God said to Jesus "You are my beloved Son," what came out of God's mouth? Jesus?

I laughed at this way more than I should have

asalimpo: The bible is inspired by God. Penned thru the hands of many men from all walks of life . Over a generations.
It is not a collaborative work,yet it is eerily consistent.

Consistent with it's inconsistency, maybe? https://www.nairaland.com/1839178/problems-biblical-inerrancy/1#25187848

I urge you to take this bible quiz and let us know what your score is please. http://exchristian.net/3/

asalimpo: Scientifically undentable.
If science could discredit the bible it would but it can't.
Infact, lotsa a times, science arrives to confirm the bible.

The story of Noah's Ark alone wrecks this in multiple ways.

Talking donkeys and snakes? The tower of babel? Telling the sun to "stand still"?

Leviticus 13: 49 shows God's ignorance about mold, wrongly attributing it as a form/cause of leprosy.

Bros abeg how does science support any of these?

A more sensible guess would be that the guy burnt his shops down for the insurance money, no?

Like someone already mentioned, if it's real, why we nor dey see any of them inside Encomium, not to talk of even Forbes list?