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Business › Re: NSE Market Downturn: How Have You Been Affected? by tkb417(m): 8:05pm On Jan 14, 2009
topic,

In my case, I held a margin account with a stock broking firm - i.e. I borrowed from the firm and secured it with the stocks I owned (GTB, FBN, Unilever, UBN, Conerstone, Dangote sugar). The ratio was 1:1 meaning I could borrow to the limit of the value of my personal portfolio. Guess what. I borrowed about 80% of the value of my portfolio to finance the purchase of some stocks in the margin account with the hope of making some extra money.

When the bubble burst, what followed was total devastation. The stock broking firm put me under intense pressure to pay down their loan which was running at 22%p.a. I gave them instruction to sell the stocks from my margin account to liquidate the loan. Behold they could not find buyers for some of the stocks (a situation I thought would never arise). To cut a long story short, I ended up selling all the the stocks in my personal portfolio (which had also shrunk) to pay off the loan but it was not sufficient to clean up the balance. Now I owe N1.6m at 22% p.a. They visit and write me letters everyday to pay off the outstanding balance. I've told them to stay away but I know they wont.
too bad!!! u guys are the people that rushed to the market when some had cleaned the market.
when astute traders on this blog were teaching people how to CICO, RIRO and stuffs like dat to make money around september 2006 to april 2008, where were u? grin grin some coys grew like no mans no tmr and people like me cleaned up big time!!
costain, oando, almost all the insurance, AP, etherna oil, alumaco et al. That was the time to borrow to trade. I did it, made money, bailed out when the market became turbulent.  the only stock i have left are the good ones that will not go under even if NSE will be no more grin grin
some of those coys didnt even have a visible biz. and thats kalo kalo. imagine alumaco, big treat and co growing exponentially with no figures to back it

the lesson is, dont rush to do things when almost everyone is doing it. That is when its gonna crash.

To digress a little, I believe a new bubble has formed in the real estate market. I'm hearing that houses bought now for N30m will be worth N50m by next year. These were the kind of stories we heard about some stocks during the boom period. This has left me a little confused because I'm about to buy a house (with another loan) but I don't want to be beaten twice.
A property worth 140m in Lekki Phase one was bought by a senior colleague of mine for 90m!
Dont go there!!!
U wanna borrow to buy a property? for what if i may ask? personal use or what? if for personal use, then wait some more. u can get it at a better bargain but if its for any other motive, waka fast or else, yawa go gass!!
Business › Re: NSE Market Downturn: How Have You Been Affected? by tkb417(m): 7:34pm On Jan 14, 2009
Thanks for your response. I guess it means I don't have to waste my time explaining the meaning of gambling to the goodness07 guy.

Even going by his own post he has admitted that both gambling and investment are based on risks while hoping to make positive returns.

May be we need to think through issues before attempting to offer "expert" advice.

One would wrongly believe that First bank shares kept increasing inspite of the problems other companies were facing.
appreciation/depreciation in share price isnt a way to measure the value of a company. whilst the market was crashing, UBA, First Bank gave me dividends and bonuses. the share price might only affect the P.E but not the earning capacity of the company. The business is good whilst the share price is low. It has nothing to do with First Bank making me good money
u need tutorials bro

i laff at u people
investment over a medium to long term in fundamentally sound companies can never be called kalo kalo or ill assume u lots are from the bush!
Poems For Review › Re: Lets Get Bloody With Rhymed Poems by tkb417(m): 6:27pm On Jan 14, 2009
shebi its tbk not me.

u cant kill me with all ur bloodsucking antics grin
Business › Re: NSE Market Downturn: How Have You Been Affected? by tkb417(m): 3:11pm On Jan 14, 2009
The content in bold refers, it is even more than that. Some banks were actively promoting a scheme where they agree to fund up to 40% of the total amount you want to invest in shares. That 40% is given to you as loan. This is a fact
it was called a margin account just like they do in other countries of the world.

nothing wrong in borrowing to invest because in a normal biz environment, debt plays a vital role in scaling up biz operations. There are so many factors that may trigger borrowings as an individual or as a corporate entity, i aint going to go into that.
Borrowing to invest in equities, borrowing to expand biz operations, borrowing to trade commodities, borrowing to study et al are all risky ventures.

kalokalo is a form of venture u cannot measure, track, or verify outcomes. equity trading definitely isnt one.
Culture › Re: Yoruba Incantations. . . . . by tkb417(m): 8:08am On Jan 14, 2009
Ewe ti a ba ja sowo otun, otun nii gbe
Eyi ti a ba ja sowo osi, osi nii gbe
Bio bale bio bale ni labalaba fii wogbo
Oro ti okete ba ba ile so, ni ile ngba
bi igbi ba fa, ikarahun a telee

Toyin ooooooooooooooo, mo pe o loni o,
nitori bi a ba pe oku ni popo, alaye ni dahun
bi pepeye ba mi okuta, omi nii fii su
mo pe Toyin loni, ki o maa fall in love pelu mi,
ife eyele ni ko maa ni si mi o
bi o ba ri mi, ki o ma le je
bi o ba ri mi, ki o ma le mu
Ko ri be, Ko si se be.
iro lopa ogbeni farotika
igbagbe lo se e. iwo mo oruko ti anpe ogbagbe nile oodua?
se iwo mo esi obatala si esu belete lorita idagiri
so fun mi oruko abiso Lisabi agbongbo akala, aijebe
adumaradan Toyin ko le dao loun.

eyin iya o (bluespice and co) eje ko je fun mi leni o
mo pe farotika leni, eje ko sun ki igbagbe si ba.
lateni lo, oogbodo ranti Toyin mo
ki ase gun!!! grin
Culture › Re: Yoruba Incantations. . . . . by tkb417(m): 7:54am On Jan 14, 2009
who knew we had babalawos in our midst
freestlye urs and lets see. We had to become babalawos after u gurls catagorically stated u are witches!! remember?
like u know, babalawos are the husbands of witches grin grin grin

Riskie
dont fear, its for ur good
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Chelsea Fans: Identify Yourselves Here by tkb417(m): 7:51am On Jan 14, 2009
Guys, I just heard on Breaksfast News that Drogba's been dropped for the next game after stating categorically that he is unhappy and wants to leave. What do you say?
then SELL!! And please dont sell to Inter, Barca or Bayern. Sell to Dynamo Moscow or Partizan Belgrade. Sell for peanuts and make him learn how to be a honourable person.
idiot!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Forever Reds by tkb417(m): 7:14am On Jan 14, 2009
@tkb417
This one wey you change siggy again i hope say you and Madam no fight sha?I been get your messages good looking out man!

Fergie is trying to reduce Carlos's value in the transfer market that man is a crook a smart one at that
pally, thanks
how ur side? as for Madam? lipsrsealed lipsrsealed grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United(1) Vs Wigan Athletic(0) On Wednesday 14th January by tkb417(m): 7:08am On Jan 14, 2009
we'll see another goal rush
4-0 grin
Culture › Re: Yoruba Incantations. . . . . by tkb417(m): 8:19pm On Jan 13, 2009
kurukerekurukere ni aja se wo igbo lo
rflmao. na wa o grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Forever Reds by tkb417(m): 8:17pm On Jan 13, 2009
Patrice Evra out for three weeks

Rio Ferdinand missing for another week

[b]Maradona tells Tevez to join Inter[/[/b]quote]
madman. why not Verona?
Culture › Re: Yoruba Incantations. . . . . by tkb417(m): 3:58pm On Jan 13, 2009
Ole ajibole
Ole ajibole
Oloju ewure
OLE
grin grin grin grin na real ole ajibole
na the best be this
Culture › Re: Yoruba Incantations. . . . . by tkb417(m): 11:07am On Jan 13, 2009
oro ti oko ba obo so lobo ma gbo
aki ngbo iku oko, aki ngbo iku obo
enikan ki ngbo iku sperm ni ibi ti o ti nsare lo fun fertilization.
loyun bade!!!!!!
ah, this man dey crase grin grin grin grin

oniranu
so that is d work u want to do?
so, ofe ki ise pami ni?
wo, jekin gbadun laife mi o
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Forever Reds by tkb417(m): 8:43am On Jan 13, 2009
That boi Ronaldo!!!

Congrats to SAF for making a boi from nowhere a world champion. and to all mancs, i say congrats!!!
we are the first to produce such in the EPL!

Go Go UTD!!!
Culture › Re: A Nigerian Renounces His Nigerian Citizenship by tkb417(m): 8:35am On Jan 13, 2009
***************hisss****************
at least our population has reduced by one. please, whos renouncing again
next person please

rubbish
Culture › Re: Yoruba Incantations. . . . . by tkb417(m): 8:29am On Jan 13, 2009
What is happening here? Incantations? Please Babalawos in the house help me call on sango to come and deal with all our rulers that are giving us stress in naija. Am dead serious oo.
send ur would be victims addy to me
ill send shoponna to deal with the person grin


topic
ogun lakaye osimole ooooo
ah, eni leni nje eni abelowe
eyi tiba wi leni karo o romo
gbogbo eyin omo Nairaland, oya ema sun
oorun ko mu gbogbo yin grin grin
Business › Re: NSE Market Downturn: How Have You Been Affected? by tkb417(m): 8:25am On Jan 13, 2009
Goodness
thank u jare. even life itself is a gamble.

Tayo-D
allow Afam. Thats his style. Ive known him to say opaks everytime grin
its cool man
Nairaland General › Re: Happy Birthday Sweetheart by tkb417(m): 8:50pm On Jan 12, 2009
Ow
Gotta go tell him
Was with him at Honolulu, we just moved to Guatanamo Bay this morning
You gotta pay me some quids to put you through to him
Else i will break ya heart
huh huh lipsrsealed
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool F.C Fans Zone - the Mighty Reds ! by tkb417(m): 8:37pm On Jan 12, 2009
hmmm
why is ur 20m striker always on the bench? was he forced into buying him?
or ur coach is just sick?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Benitez Savages 'killer' Fergie by tkb417(m): 8:14pm On Jan 12, 2009
i think we should allow him
Liverpool have not been at that position in 18 years shocked shocked
its understandable. The guy wants that title seriously
Business › Re: NSE Market Downturn: How Have You Been Affected? by tkb417(m): 8:05pm On Jan 12, 2009
With this your latest reply it is obvious we are not on the same page. You seem not to understand the core issue I raised, sorry for expecting too much from you, my mistake.
come off it joh! grin u were like buying shares = kalokalo and im saying its NOT
simple

debosky
i understand ur point. Exactly why im not buying anything for now. Ndidi and her abracadabra don too much grin
Poems For Review › Re: Lets Get Bloody With Rhymed Poems by tkb417(m): 6:32pm On Jan 12, 2009
princesa
ahh, where did u go to? ur absence made this place boring. . .
at least u shlda told me u were leaving

so now that ure back, gimme some of ur bloody rhymes
i wanna read wink
Culture › Re: If You Can Speak Yoruba, Talk It In Here! by tkb417(m): 6:16pm On Jan 12, 2009
Ma fu e leti,
ori o da,
omo buruku
ori e kope rara. se eebu nikan ni womo ni?
olodo

farotika
se iwo ni o fun Dayo ni sumoofu?
metala yin kotobe. abi ogbon ori yin ti jabo sile ni? aye yi leju bi ese ngbe yi lo
nkan to le mu emi dani ni efe rawole yi. ema je kin gbo be lenuyin mo laye at lailai
emi ni mo ni summofu.
Culture › Re: Yoruba Incantations. . . . . by tkb417(m): 6:05pm On Jan 12, 2009
eyi tobawi fun ogbo logbo ngbo
eyi ta bawi fun ogba logba ngba

kose kose ni lakose
oya kusibe. grin grin grin

na my own 'conk' pass
if na orisabunmi talk this one the person don die grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Forever Reds by tkb417(m): 5:52pm On Jan 12, 2009
CR7 is about to be crowned. hmm where is Dayo to come and tell us FIFA was biased

another record for UTD!! we are producing the first world footballr of the year in the EPL.
so so nice

i just hope we can follow up on Wednesday with a resounding victory over Wigan. We should be able to score 4 goals. I need that goal difference between us and Chelsea reduced!
Celebrities › Re: Upclose and Personal with Nairalanders by tkb417(m): 5:20pm On Jan 12, 2009
ELDEEEEEE
uuuuuu, Lamidebaby shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked

and hmmm, leave ma J-girl alone o grin

how u dey man? ba wo ni?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Chelsea Fans: Identify Yourselves Here by tkb417(m): 5:06pm On Jan 12, 2009
@nateevs
why waste ur breath on them. No Ronaldo, no Manchester United.
shocked shocked shocked coming from someone who claimed to write for a sports journal!!
that ur journal cant sell!!!

u dont know footie joh grin
Business › Re: NSE Market Downturn: How Have You Been Affected? by tkb417(m): 5:02pm On Jan 12, 2009
Based on this poster's comments about his losses I wonder why he qualifies to advice anyone on stocks.
advice anyone anyone to buy stocks? shocked shocked
show me where i did? ure just an illiterate grin grin

chapehill, BGL, Vetiva, UBA Global Assets, Rencap, Afriinvest, Wachovia, Lehman Brothers, NYSC, NSE and co don't have any wiseman like you in thier fold shey? because they all lost substanstially to what is going on presently.

If losing money on investments during a recession is foolishness, what do u call making money during a boom?
go to adult classes. (Open UNi) grin

is it only stocks people lose money? what about the real estate fiasco in the UK, what about the dwindling oil fortunes all over the world, what about the skyrocketing commodity prices all over the world?
i wonder for some educated illiterates o
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Forever Reds by tkb417(m): 4:31pm On Jan 12, 2009
whatver happened to Bosingwa that knew how to deal with Ronaldo
Park and Evra nearly took his life.
what a shameless idiot he was on the field. He couldnt even pull a decent cross into our '18
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Chelsea Fans: Identify Yourselves Here by tkb417(m): 4:24pm On Jan 12, 2009
@Chac,

You can't compare ManU's financial state to having a mortgage. . . In a stable economy having a mortgage is like securing a loan to finance an asset . . that will penultimately increase in value. .  it makes sense to any bank to fund that so long as they can prove your capacity to finance the mortgage repayments. .
it makes sence to any bank to fund UTD so long as they can prove they can pay back. The books can show that

Conversely, ManU's borrowing to buy perishable assets . . in the finance of wage bills and transfer. . they very little fixed value whatsoever to the club. . like no one will buy Berbatov off you plus wages, for £30m. . that's debt.
UTD agreed are faced with high OPEX arising from wages and transfers. how that is different from blue chip coys that pay fat emoluments to directors and also its not out of place for company directors to enjoy stuffs like golden parachute, shre options in pay and other payments like that. as wages are to UTD, so also do other coys have their own form of OPEX according to the industry they operate in


The Glaziers won't cry no matter what, because they do not have a single penny in it. . . They don't lose either way. [b]ManU's debts are spiraling out of contro[/b]l.
Not true!!! The debt is serviced year in year out. to the banks, dealing with UTD shows positive. so where do u get ur stats from?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Forever Reds by tkb417(m): 3:52pm On Jan 12, 2009
That Rios injury is a curse if Vida isnt going to play against Inter. But trust UTD to spring surprises

as a matter of fact, CR7 scored 2 valid goals and the ref. disallowed them
the scoreline was 5-0!!!
nothing wrong with those goals. That ref should be slapped
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Chelsea Fans: Identify Yourselves Here by tkb417(m): 3:29pm On Jan 12, 2009
My question is will the banks stop borrowing ManU money?
if the present climate persists, then they will stop giving money to everybody

but if we have an overturn and the numbers/papers say UTD can effectively service the debt, they will be ever willing to dish out the funds

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