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raumdeuter:
Dey there dey deceive yourself

Shey you go like stake 1M Naira on it? Dont be a coward.

You always make me laugh you think 2015 is 2019 bah...

If you think Buhari will be courted in 2019 by those names of "Governors" up there you are liable to be shocked beyond words. Buhari will exit in 2019 this I am too sure of.

Butterflyleo:
I am actually typing from my vehicle being driven by my driver and not from my lovely home.

Wow wow wow

Wailing wailer may your tears never run dry


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Restructuring: Atiku replies Osinbajo, accuses VP of revising history

September 4, 2018Kunle Sanni

A former vice president, Atiku Abubakar, has replied Vice President Yemi Osinbajo on the raging debate over the need to restructure Nigeria.

Mr Abubakar, in a statement he signed, also accused Mr Osinbajo of attempting “to revise history” on the topic.

The statement by the opposition presidential aspirant comes hours after Mr Osinbajo in an open letter replied Mr Abubakar on the latter’s earlier criticism of the vice president’s statement.

In the letter, published by PREMIUM TIMES, Mr Osinbajo accused Mr Abubakar of promoting a ‘vague’ concept of restructuring.

“Alhaji Atiku’s concept of restructuring is understandably vague, because he seeks to cover every aspect of human existence in that definition,” the vice president wrote.

In his response, however, Mr Abubakar outlines six steps he means when he talks about restructuring.

Read Mr Abubakar’s full statement below.

Restructuring Is a Necessity, Not an Option

By Atiku Abubakar

My attention has been drawn to a letter written to Premium Times in response to an essay on restructuring authored by me.

Faced with an avalanche of public condemnation for his 360-degree turn on the concept of restructuring, it is understandable that the Vice President, Professor Yemi Osinbajo, has written to Premium Times to douse the tension his comments created. However, in doing so, the Vice President should not attempt to revise history by saying that he spoke against ‘geographic restructuring’.

I have been in the forefront of the discourse on restructuring since the 1995 Abacha Constitutional Conference and to the best of my knowledge, there has not been any term like ‘geographic restructuring’. It is a strange concept, not only because it is not what the restructuring debate is all about, but also because the words of the Vice President, which prompted my response were clear, unambiguous and unequivocal.

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Mr. Osinbajo said, “the problem with our country is not a matter of restructuring”. That I disagree with and so do many other Nigerians. If the Vice President has changed his stance, I welcome it, but we should not use one finger to hide behind semantics.

For the Vice President to say “Alhaji Atiku’s concept of restructuring is understandably vague, because he seeks to cover every aspect of human existence in that definition”, is most unfortunate.

I have been very clear, detailed, and unambiguous about my ideas for restructuring. At several occasions, including, but not limited to my speeches at the Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House), and at the University of Nigeria, Nsukka (made in April this year and  July 2017, respectively), I gave very clear and concise ideas about administrative, political and economic restructuring as followss:

Devolution of powers and resources to the states.

No state will receive less Federal funds than today as a result of restructuringMatching grants from the federal government to the states to help them grow their internally generated revenue position.The privatisation of unviable federal Government-owned assets.A truly free market economy driven by the laws of demand and supply.Replacing state of origin with state of residence, andPassing the PIGD so that our oil and gas sector will run as a business with minimal governmental interference.

I am hard pressed to see how these clear and specific ideas can be described as ‘vague’. One would have thought that if anything is vague, it would be the idea of ‘geographic restructuring’ whose meaning is hanging in the air.

Be that as it may, in his letter, Vice President Osinbajo then jumps from the topic of restructuring and goes on to say:

“Good governance involves, inter alia, transparency and prudence in public finance. It involves social justice, investing in the poor, and jobs for young people; which explains our School Feeding Programme, providing a meal a day to over 9 million public school children in 25 States as of today. Our NPower is now employing 500,000 graduates; our TraderMoni that will be giving microcredit to 2 million petty traders; our Conditional Cash Transfers giving monthly grants to over 400,000 of the poorest in Nigeria. The plan is to cover a million households.”

While what Professor Osinbajo says may be true or false, I must say that his dovetailing into the area of the economy does not explain certain facts such as the fact that the Nigerian Bureau of Statistics reported in December 2017 that Nigeria lost 7.9 million jobs in the 21 month period under review.

If the Vice President cannot see that losing 7.9 million jobs in 21 months while creating 500,000 jobs is a deficit, then I do not know what to say to the honourable professor.

Professor Osinbajo also harps on about “prudence in public finance”, but he fails to show the wisdom in sharing out $322 million of Abacha funds to the poor only to take a loan of $328 million from the Chinese the very next month. Many Nigerians, myself included, see this as imprudence.

Finally, while the Vice President is not exactly correct when he says “In four years from 2010 to 2014 the PDP government earned the highest oil revenues in Nigeria’s history, USD381.9billion. By contrast the Buhari Administration has earned USD121 billion from May 2015 to June 2018”, let us for the sake of argument say that he is right.

My response to Vice President Osinbajo is that while I was Vice President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria in 2006, Nigeria’s Economic Management Team, of which I was a prominent member, paid off Nigeria’s entire foreign debt of $30 billion, at a time when we were earning one third of what the Buhari administration is currently earning from oil. So such arguments are puerile at best.

My advice to the Vice President is that he should choose whether he is for restructuring or whether he is against it and stick to his choice. This continuous prevarication, this approbation and reprobation, helps no one, least of all true progressives who know that Nigeria needs to be restructured and restructured soon.

Atiku Abubakar, Vice President of Nigeria, 1999-2007 is a presidential aspirant of the Peoples Democratic Party.


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Epic response to a coward!

“Good governance involves, inter alia, transparency and prudence in public finance. It involves social justice, investing in the poor, and jobs for young people; which explains our School Feeding Programme, providing a meal a day to over 9 million public school children in 25 States as of today. Our NPower is now employing 500,000 graduates; our TraderMoni that will be giving microcredit to 2 million petty traders; our Conditional Cash Transfers giving monthly grants to over 400,000 of the poorest in Nigeria. The plan is to cover a million households.” - Pastor (Professor Osinbajo)

What a shameful content from Osinbajo, too empty a sentence and political view on serious issue.

raumdeuter:
Dont worry about correcting it

Just leave us alone

Dayo that's your next President of Nigeria

Butterflyleo:
I have already confirmed it. The money has been remitted to the FG.

Cry me an ocean oh ye wailers whose tears never dry up.

Look at this clown typing from one corner of his room saying he has confirmed. Can you marry the suffering Nigerians are going through now to the huge amount of funds at your messiah's disposal? Perhaps Buhari is saving them to be spent in heaven......funny human being......if I hear that wow wow sound for your mouth there again you will see what will hit you next, supporter of lying government with no conscience

Butterflyleo:
Wow

This is a first! This has never happened in the history of Nigeria.

140b in just one month.

PMB is working

What's wrong with you can you confirm the figure? Is is not to just type out any figure and present before you Buharists and the next thing you lots are dancing shaku shaku up and down.....if you really can think you should be crying now why are we suffering in pains, hungers and misrule despite trillions realized from looted funds, customs revenue yearly and other lies from this useless government. Stop that Wow Wow like a robotic toy being wind by my little boy ok

modath:
Like Fayose did with his 3k stipend right?

They are not equipped cos they aren't dancing to the music yall playing for them, it's a matter of CHOICE, leave what's already gone & face 2023.

Ask Omisore & his SDP .

You are supposed to be reasonable as a lady that debates politically but can you tell us why you keep supporting this government despite the facts in their bad governance being reeled out to your face daily?

Chief Wole Olanipekun SAN (OFR) Wrote:

Some people don’t know and some pretend not to know that law has its technicalities-both civil and criminal proceedings. They talk of technicalities and say that lawyers delay cases, look, without being immodest; I have been involved in a lot of cases in this country.

I have defended a lot of people. During the run-up to the 2015 elections, I was one of the lawyers hired on pro bono basis to defend the All Progressives Congress and its candidate, Muhammadu Buhari. We employed all the tactics available, employable and allowable in the legal profession; why didn’t they blame us then? If we didn’t, the election would not have held.

If you do that today, some people, even within the profession, will blame you. I know what I’m talking about. The election was to hold on a Saturday and Justice Gabriel Kolawole of the Federal High Court, Abuja, said he was going to deliver his judgement on whether or not card readers should be used by the Independent National Electoral Commission on Thursday, two days to the election. We filed preliminary objection, he overruled it. I was in court with Lateef Fagbemi (SAN), Akin Olujinmi (SAN), and Kola Awodein, (when) Asiwaju Bola Tinubu sent an aircraft to pick me in Akure, saying that if we were not in court, the election would not hold. There are things that need to be unveiled in this country. Tinubu, Babatunde Fashola (former Lagos State Governor), the Vice President (Prof. Yemi Osinbajo), Lai Mohammed, the AGF (Abubakar Malami) were in the know. And Kolawole overruled us. Then he called the plaintiff and said, can you go ahead with originating summons? I will deliver my judgement tomorrow. Like someone who was possessed, I rose up and said I was applying for stay of proceedings. Then the other lawyer interjected and asked for my formal application. I gave him two authorities offhand that I could apply orally. That was two days to the election. Kolawole said well, whatever it is; I would want to listen to you. He listened to me. We did it pro bono in the sense that the APC hasn’t paid us. Nobody even wrote a letter to say thank you. Then thereafter, he wrote a ruling and granted stay of proceedings 48 hours to the election. The Supreme Court later held that, though the card reader was a good innovation, it was not yet in the law.

Would Buhari have been President if we had not done that? What could be more technical than that? They filed action against Buhari, we looked at it; we raised objections and we were dragging that. Is that not technicality? And some people will now accuse me when I do it for other people that I’m defending looters. But when you do it for them, it is right; that is double standard. And what baffles me is that some high lawyers, who should know better, also accuse some lawyers of defending looters? To hell with anybody who has looted the treasury. I believe in my profession and I thank God for what I am. I am a fulfilled person and don’t want any position from any government, but then government should allow those of us who are privately engaged to do our work. In our offices in Lagos and Abuja, we have over 75 members of staff- professionals and supporting staff. We pay more than what the government pays and don’t owe workers. A cleaner in my office earns far more than what government calls minimum wage. And when you say someone is a looter, who is a looter?

Anybody who loots will have his day in court and God will punish looters, but at the same time, judge not, so that you are not judged. And let the accused person defend himself. All religions give room for fair hearing. I grew up to know that when people came to my father to settle disputes, he would say ‘e je ko so tie, agba ti o gbo ejo enikan dajo, agba osika ni’ (let him say his side of the story; an elder who bases his judgement on only one side of the story is wicked). I grew up to know that. So you don’t want people to be heard? If that is the case, change the constitution. So once someone is accused, he is arrested and taken to prison. Then, abolish the courts. That is my position. And what goes around comes around. You may be the accuser today, tomorrow; it may be your turn to face accusations. Let the law take its course.

It is tyrannical, dictatorial and smacks of militarism when you start accusing lawyers who defend people. You cannot have democracy without free speech and people having access to courts. You cannot be the accuser, the lawyer and the judge. They say lawyers and judges delay the prosecution of looters, then if they have already been adjudged looters, don’t prosecute them. It is only a court of law that can come to the conclusion that someone has looted the treasury after evidence has been produced.

I believe in anti-corruption, you know, I said earlier that woe betide anybody who has looted the treasury or any person who uses his position to amass wealth. But when you keep on describing Nigeria as a country that is corrupt, investors will stay off. And if you know some judges are corrupt, deal with them, but don’t go to another country to say that the judiciary in your country is corrupt; nobody will come there because it is about investment and the rule of law.

And when you talk of corruption among lawyers, who are the people? It takes two to tango. Let every politician in Nigeria swear by the god of thunder that he has not tried to induce a judge.

Let the President take a cue from the United States President, Barack Obama. George W. Bush squandered American funds on the Gulf War as President of the US because he wanted Saddam Hussein by all means –dead or alive- after the September 11 attack. The economy of the US was comatose when Obama took over, but did you hear him say any bad thing about Bush? He had his own agenda. He started issuing presidential orders and proclamations and within two or three years, the economy was revived without him condemning anybody.

To me, government is a continuum. I’m not in the Peoples Democratic Party or the APC; I don’t even see any difference between the two of them when it is so easy for the PDP people to move to the APC and immediately become progressives. You don’t sell that to me. Mr. President.

Yet some never-do-wells still want this disaster of a man who is so blank in governance and empty in common sense to continue to rule us......I am too sure that Buhari will not be Nigeria's President in 2019!

Its beginning to unfold gradually.......guess what? The demise of APC

NigeriaIsDoomed:
Aggressive idiotic illiterate pig of Daura, I doubt you are in Nigeria unless your brain is dead like the lifeless dullard who is ruling Nigeria at present.
Stop drinking unprocessed cow milk, it is damaging your brain.
Please go through your post and ask yourself if you made any sense.
I wish Seun could ban kids from having access to Nairaland, it would go a long way to curtail irrelevant posts like this on Nairaland.

You are forever blessed my brother for helping these irritating irrjtants on how to use their fufu-packed brains. On their fake rice news as usual, Nigeria still import close to 4 million metric tonnes of rice yearly from India, Thailand and China to sustain our local consumption of rice averaging about 6 million metric tonnes annually so who is fooling who?

*Though Buhari is a strong leader, Nigeria needs competent, not strong leaders —Jega*
_*• says just like weak leaders, strong leaders destroy institutions of governance*_
_*• clamours for competent and assertive leader in 2019 Election*_
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_August 28, 2018_
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Abuja
The immediate past Chairman of the Independent National Electoral Commission , Prof Attahiru Jega , says Nigeria needs competent and assertive leaders and not necessarily strong leaders .
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According to Jega , an incompetent leader who is strong will end up destroying institutions .
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The former INEC boss said this at the 58 th Annual General Conference of the Nigerian Bar Association in Abuja on Monday .
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He said , “What we require most are the competence and capacity of leaders to take decisions and be assertive in ensuring that those decisions are actually implemented, not the kind of strong leadership steering our nation presently.
So , we have to be very careful in thinking that a strong leader can really help .
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“Just like a weak leader can wreck an institution , a strong leader , who has just that power and courage , but lacks the capacity, ability and competence to lead, can also wreck strong institutions .
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“Competence of leadership is a very important variable in bringing about the stable political transition , good governance and deepening of democracy .”
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The former INEC boss , who superintended the 2011 and 2015 general elections , said politicians must stop treating elections as a do -or -die affair .
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He recalled that a former President once said elections must be do- or -die , an incident he described as most unfortunate.
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Jega also said there was a need for agencies of government to shun partisanship as this weakened institutions and eroded public confidence .
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He added , “We must emphasise professionalism , impartiality and non -partisanship. This is because quite too often, you have good and strong institutions , but once partisanship is introduced and partiality become the norm, as many public institutions in this country , then those institutions would not be able to deliver effectively on their mandates .”
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The former INEC chairman said there was a need for law enforcement agencies and the judiciary to be alive to their responsibilities , adding that the integrity of the electoral process must be preserved and protected .
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Jega added “From my experience, I am convinced that electoral integrity is key to stable political transition and to ensuring that there is a framework for good governance and societal development . Electoral integrity is not just about the integrity of the election management body . It is also the integrity with which the key stakeholders engage with the electoral process .”
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https://punchng.com/nigeria-needs-competent-not-strong-leaders-jega/

CodeTemplar:
Nigerian govt is supporting individuals to grow into billionaires at the expense of the nation. They give forex to Dangote to build a huge refinery but didn't build one themselves.
Can the government spent Dangote's wealth with him? At worse he will donate a token back but by then thing might have gone out of control. California is empowering SMEs to become industries and industries into Multinationals.

My brother you are a thinker and a god. I love your brilliant submission.

unite4real:
Just as Lagos has overtaken many countries in Africa.

All those African Countries you mentioned are what Trump called "pack of Shithole Countries" including your Nigeria that is host to Lagos....

yomi96:
Cali dat has silicon valley, Hollywood and large mechanized farms with a smart governor and a business oriented president will always go far. Not the lifeless bigot that is always known for backwardness cluelessness and poverty

My brother, I just tire for naija matter....

Too bad there is a lot to gain from ecotourism if only our government can engage in conservation of these species of apes for more research like Jane Goodall did achieved with the mountain gorillas of Zaire

Butterflyleo:
THE LAGOS – IBADAN RAIL LINE

1/ The Federal Government of Nigeria is building a standard gauge rail line linking Lagos and Ibadan.

It is part of President Buharis vision to connect all 36 States in Nigeria by Rail.

2/ The 158km double-track line starts from the Apapa Port, Nigeria’s busiest, and ends in Ibadan, capital of Oyo State.

It has ten stations in total: Apapa Port, Lagos, Agege, Agbado, Kajola, Papalanto, Abeokuta, Olodo, Omi Adio and Ibadan.

3/ The project is part of the Lagos-Kano Rail Line that will form the Western Section of Nigerias National Standard Gauge Rail Network.

Negotiations for the funding of the project kicked off following President Buhari’s State Visit to China in 2016.

4/ The construction was flagged off by Vice President Yemi Osinbajo in March 2017.
Track-laying commenced in 2018. An average of 2km of track are being laid per day.

5/ The scheduled completion date for the project is December 2018 / Q1 2019

The Train Service will run at speeds of between 120 and 150 km/hour.

6/ The Project is providing employment to thousands of Nigerians.

Upon completion, work will commence on the Kano-Kaduna leg of the Western Line.

7/ And then the Ibadan-Kaduna leg, to complete the Western Line.

Future Lines include the Eastern (Port Harcourt – Maiduguri), Central Line (Abuja-Warri) and Coastal Line (Lagos- Calabar).

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PMB 2019 looking extremely good.

Mynd44 , lalasticlala, OAM4J what do you think?

you will soon cry for being too unnecessarily stubborn still marketing failure and lifeless president like the lifeless projects you are wasting your time and efforts on......

IdJack:
Abeg make una follow me laugh��������‍♂��‍♂

The looters about to start a fight. Please fellow Nigerians take a good seat and watch as the drama unfold.

I will give up my support for PDP if Atiku gets the presidential ticket. He is not qualified to lead and cannot lead me
- OBJ.
Vs
Obasanjo cannot decide who gets the Presidential candidacy of our party
- Atiku
Vs
With my massive (leading) defection to our great party, PDP, I deserve the Presidential ticket unopposed.
- SARAKI
Vs
"Saraki's defection is not helping pdp, we have completely lost Kwara State
- Gov Fayose

" Kwankwaso, Tambuwal, Saraki are all political prostitudes"
- Lamido

I will burry PDP alive if they refuse to give me (the) ticket...
-Atiku

"I'm the authentic PDP presidential candidate. So, you think those of us that suffered will just allow those defecting to come & pick the ticket?"
- Sule Lamido

Wahala dey in PDP ���

I won't support Atiku, Kwankwaso or Tambuwal if they get the PDP presidential ticket, it's Saraki or nobody
~ Dino Melaye

Bukola can't be my Party leader. I was No 2 citizen for 8 Good years, while he is just No 3 citizen for only 3 years
~ Atiku

Governor Wike and Secondus will see the other Side of me if they play games with my Presidential Ticket.
~Sule Lamido

Atiku Abubakar is unelectable. His sins are still after him.
~ Bukola Saraki

������� I just can't wait to see the fight and finally the final burial of the party.

Guy check it very well somebody might be playing draught or ayo game on your head. One BMC designed that comments and packaged it out for your types and here you are marketing garbage. Fear not, Buhari will bite the dust in 2019, don't get caught rigging

Once the 7th largest economy in the world now 5th, California a State in the United States is definitely not slowing down and to think an oil rich state like Texas ranks no where near this Technology dominated California with the likes of HP, Apple, Oracle, Warner Brothers Studio etc contributing to this State's revenue takes strong determination to succeed and perfect genius at work.

Corrinthians:
Kwankwaso pressing PDP supporters mumu buttons like..

By now you should be getting tired of this Mumu jokes you always crack, it's daytime already.......2019 already knocking. Don't be caught rigging.....suck it in and accept the result. Buhari back to Daura is surer than ever.

10 Fela Songs That Are Still Relevant In 2018, 21Years After His Death

1. Original Sufferhead (1981)

This song describes the problems and sufferings that abound in Africa as a continent, despite its rich resources. He condemns the ‘big big man’ and ‘white man’ for taking up everything and leaving nothing but suffer and anguish for the average African man.

This song, released over 21years ago sadly still applies greatly. The economic disparity between Africa and other continents is displayed in the fact that basic resources like food, water, electricity and the likes are still unavailable to a large number of people living in this part of the world. Such disparities are even found within countries, where we have the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

2. Suffering and Smiling (1977)

Fela describes the life of the average Nigerian who is constantly suffering, but smiling through the pain, believing in the rewards that await them in the afterlife due to the teachings of religious leaders, who themselves live the most lavish lives, enjoying the so-called earthly pleasures. He warns people to open their eyes to this injustice and stop being blind followers of religion.

Things haven’t changed much today, as people still blindly follow religion (and religious leaders), without necessarily understanding its true meaning.

3. International Thief Thief (I.T.T.) (1980)

Fela uses the abbreviation of International Telephone & Telegraph (IT&T) to directly attack the company’s CEO, Moshood Abiola, and other politicians like Obasanjo who continuously betray the continent and their fellow Africans in their bid to get rich off the white man’s wealth.

This song is relevant in today’s world as seen in the violence that goes on in the Niger Delta as a result of the insufficient resources and recognition that the region is given despite being the major supplier of oil and the bulk of the county’s wealth.
Politicians are still looting, extorting and selling out their people in their bid to get richer.

4. Authority Stealing (1980)

This song, like may others, talks about how the government steals and loots the country’s resources on a daily and goes unpunished, while the petty thief gets killed and burned on a daily basis. For him, the people in authority are just civilized thieves who get away with their crimes because of their position.

Our government still steals from us and feeds us lies and we let them get away with it. The petty thief gets thrown in jail while the political robbers remain scot free and given liberty to continue looting.

5. Coffin for Head of State (1981)

This song also condemns politicians. Here, he speaks about the corruption that abounds in religion, especially by hypocritical leaders like Obasanjo and Yar’adua. These leaders were the most corrupt people in the world, killing and stealing from innocent people, yet they openly condemn such activities and hide behind Christianity and Islam.

Today, we still see a great deal of corruption and hypocrisy in the guise of leadership and religion. Our leaders are still stealing from us, but yet are the quickest to attend church programs and quote bible verses.

6. Beasts Of No Nation (1989)

This song talks about the many unusual happenings in the country and how the citizens all behave like crazy people. It touches political, economic, social matters and talks about the silence of the Nigeria people against government oppression and brutality while speaking up against apathy in foreign nations like South Africa. According to him, these could only happen in a crazy world.

This song remains relevant today as the same hypocrisy and silence in the face of government injustice is still the order of the day in our beloved country and continent as a whole.

7. Yellow Fever (1971)

In this song, Fela warns about the dangers of skin bleaching that was becoming a trend for women. He lists the many unappealing aspects of bleaching and tells women that they were better off leaving their skin in its natural form.

Today, bleaching has become even more rampant than in the times of Fela. According to the World Health Organization, Nigeria has the highest number of women in the world who use skin-lightening products.

8. Teacher Don’t Teach Me Nonsense (1980)

This song highlights the fact that the white man seems to be living our lives for us, while they make their own decisions based on their culture and tradition. The white man, instead of condemning the bad leadership that goes on here, overlooks them while doing the exact opposite in their own countries.
He condemns the so-called democracy and begs Africans to open their eyes and realize that they are being misled and stolen from.

Today, instead of drawing away from the chains of colonialism, we still rely on foreign countries to help us make some of our major decisions and try to imitate every aspect of their lives, forgetting our cultures and traditions in the process.

9. Colonial Mentality (1977)

He speaks about the fact that Africans have colonial mentality and still live in the past despite having gained independence. They embrace everything foreign and believe theirs to be inferior, from basic things like food and clothes down to their names and religious practices.

This song is still very relevant today, as Africans in general would rather purchase foreign made products and would use foreign names instead of their traditional ones.Even Presidents go for treatment in foreign countries instead of developing their own health care system .

10. Confusion Break Bone (1990)

This song talks about the confusion that abides in the country and the lack or proper organisation. His tone here sounds sadder and more resigned to the fact that things might never get better for the country. He highlights all the problems he had mentioned in his earlier songs and says that nothing has changed and wonders at the insanity of things.

Nothing has changed today. The country is still in a permanent state of disorderliness and disunity. The government still gets away with being corrupt and unjust, and the innocent man still gets punished for crimes committed.

Primesky:
We are still saying the same thing. You have every evidence in the bible, yet you choose not to accept it. Is Philippians 2:5-10, a forged account of what and who Jesus is?. Why do you pick and choose scriptures?.

I showed you what Jesus said about the apostles, and disciples bearing witness, but that will not be OK for you. John the beloved, gave us his own version in John chapter 1, are all of these forged, or are you picking and choosing to defend your believe?. Nothing can be done against the truth.

Yet you suddenly looked away from the interpretations of John 1: 1-3 as expounded to you many times here by Maamin, OneJ and others here. Bro, you are not getting this part of the scripture well that the Apostles were mortals that spoke more of their feelings in the epistles especially Apostle Paul than when directed under the Holy Spirit. If you are still doubting read many accounts of Paul meditatively especially in 1Corinthians 7 but Jesus Christ came with.authority and gives direct message from God to us. Don't mix it up bro, God doesn't need to manifest as 3 Gods to prove himself, he has no beginning only Him enjoys that attribute. Deuteronomy 6:4 only one God and He is Yahweh, Jesus Christ is His Only Begotten Son.

Edcure1:
You're an infant. You know nothing and think nothing.

Epic response from my brother there. You have said it all, Atiku though may not be the best but he is more goal-oriented, focused and 1 million times better than Buhari.

Useless government clothed and birthed in lies. They must lie about everything even their rigging ministry, INEC!

Only funny elements think Buhari is a reasonable President that is fighting corruption, the truth is, the wise ones know more about Buhari's antecedents as a weakling

HardexyAA:
I know my friends here will again antagonise me and argue the possibility of what I am about to post here.

Well, I am not a politician, neither do I belong to any political party. But I am based in Osun, and in fact, in Osogbo where I see virtually everything happening.

In 2014, Aregbesola clothed and engaged party members as youth corps members who also functioned as ad-hoc staff for the election, bribed the police. It is likely he does the same thing this time around. So, I want to implore all well-meaning Osun indigenes to be on the lookout. God bless you all in Osun. The state will be liberated from the yoke of wicked and wilful leaders that impose themselves on the state against the will and wish of the people; people that subvert the wishes of the masses.

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God bless you for this shocking revelation, it shall trend before the Osun Guber by God's grace. Johnnyessence please you must see this.....

Primesky:
Ah wonderful!. Well, just to let you know, I am not a pastor, nor am I a founder of any religious group. I am simply a child and servant of the most high God. It is my duty, by the help of the Holy Spirit of God, to defend the truth when it's being attacked.

What you said above is totally shocking to say the least. By inference, you're saying the Apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ gave inaccurate information about who Jesus Christ is. Numerous bible verses point to the fact that Jesus is not only the son of God, but also God. Now, with what you're saying, it then means that, everything said by the Apostles and disciples cannot be taken seriously.

But you're strongly mistaken my dear. Let's look at that passage again.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus Christ, who is God the Son, or the Word of God, the second person of the trinity, stripped himself of all His glory, and pushed aside all attention from Himself when He decided to come to earth. This mindset, made Him to always refer to God the way He did, at some point however like the case of Philip, He revealed a little of who He is. But for this mindset, Jesus would have told the Jews, look, I created you, which is correct, but not once did He say that, rather He said God did, not once did He emphatically say, I am God, why?, that's what the passage in Philippians is telling you. Because after His death and resurrection, the matter was now revealed to these guys(disciples) by the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't come to show Himself, rather, He humbled Himself, so that we by observing and following, may learn. Otherwise, how could we learn to pray to God, or serve, or humble, submit to God?. But because someone like Jesus Christ did it, even angels have no excuse, let alone us. You have to understand this. You can not have the Holy Spirit of God, and not understand this truth, except you're of a strange religious group or you're a young believer still growing, me too, I'm still growing and learning, I haven't arrived yet, but this truth I know, and I will say it.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.


The comforter is the Holy Spirit of God, here He is to testify of who Jesus Christ is, the question is, why didn't Jesus do it himself there and then while He was yet on earth, wouldn't that be better?. When Jesus came, He focused on the Father, when the Holy Spirit came, He focused on Jesus Christ. Can you see an order there?. No one speaks more of Himself. That is the perfect harmony exiting in the Godhead. God is one, manifesting himself in three persons!

Now, look at the last verse of the above, Jesus whom you said you will rather believe, said that those disciples who are with him will bear witness. The question is, witness of who and what?. By what means?. Now these disciples and apostles have testified about Jesus, and you deny and reject it because of a biased mindset born out of self belief of what the truths and reality aught to be. Brother, I think you need to consider your believe., because not accepting the totality of who Christ is, is not accepting Him at all.

I just knew it that you will take my words out of context which had made this debate thus long because you do too to others here. I will NEVER discard the words of the Apostles like you assume but my point here is that on matters of this nature (like the Trinity doctrine you are peddling) I will rather stick with Christ's position as I stated it clearly in John 14 that I gave you but you must understand that it is not my right or within my power to force my understanding of those verses in that chapter on you, you have a right to believe what you want. Looking at the teachings of the Apostles right from Acts of the Apostles to the book of Jude, I am yet to see where Trinity was preached like you are doing now because I have already shown you how the Doctrine of Trinity came into being erroneously when actually the purpose of the debate then at the Council of Nicea was to discuss the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ as being more than a human being born of an Earthly father, Joseph. I am not changing the Bible but you are by peddling what Jesus Christ, who remains the Perfect Authority to tell us about Trinity as you preach it, but He never did, so if you are truly a follower of Jesus Christ like you are saying, why are you preaching, laying emphasis on what he never talked about as being championed at the 325 AD Nicene Creed by Caeser Constantine. My brother, I still believe you will learn the truth as we progress in this soul lifting debates. Shalom

frowland:
Done!, you can remove the number now.

Thanks bro

frowland:
Definitely! You will have a pup free if you do - that's a guarantee. I Just want to have one of the top rare breeds, and this ticks the boxes.

You just set me on the loose for that and I will try not to disappoint.....we have a lot to share on dogs and wildlife generally.

frowland:
Haha, one of the Neapo is pregnant hopefully multiple puppies like the mum that had 12.
I just looked that dog breed up [Anatolian Karabash] - to be sincere I have never heard of it before now. So much like to have on of those. Do you know anyone who have these breed of dog here Nigeria?

Now you are my friend at least I can see you beaming with smile on hearing of that breed, more like a giant "Rhodesian Ridgeback" I don't think that dog is in Nigeria dog club but it's possible in some private homes. However, I got to know about the dog around year 1995 or 1996 and I think the Turkish government see it as a special breed then not meant to be on any other country's menu list......but I will try to scout for any owner for you provided I can get a neopolitan pup from you free