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Politics › Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by tomber(m): 4:40am On Sep 15, 2023

KEVIND:
So the result Tinubu is parading from Chicago state University is even a diploma certificate. Not even a degree. Wonders oooo

That’s what they call certificate in the US. You can’t actually say Diploma certificate. It’s PhD diploma, Master diploma etc. Sometimes it might be called degree certificate.

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Politics › Re: A Brief History Of OKUN - The Yorubas In Kogi State. by tomber(m): 3:26pm On Sep 01, 2016

Listen to some of the Okun languages from the sites Oworo(Aworo) http://globalrecordings.net/en/program/A37859
Yagba http://globalrecordings.net/en/language/1774
Abunu http://globalrecordings.net/en/language/1773

Culture › Re: Oworo Land: Where The Tongue Includes Igbo, Yoruba Words And Chief Bears Nupe by tomber(m): 2:49pm On Sep 01, 2016

You can listen to some bible stories in Oworo(Oworo) language from this site http://globalrecordings.net/en/program/A37859

Note:
Oworo was spelt as Aworo by the Europeans in till around independence.

You can also listen to other yoruba languages

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Culture › Re: List Of Yoruba Dialects by tomber(m): 6:49pm On Apr 22, 2015

falopey:
All notable Yoruba towns have it in their history that they came from ile ife. Those town s that do not migrate directly from ife migrate from the towns that migrate from ife directly. I have listened to many yoruba obas sharing the history of how their town came to be. All of them mention ed the names of particular sons, grand sons of oduduwa or hunters, warriors or babalawo that brought them all the way from ile ife. Yoruba obas are the custodian s of their history and origin passed down from generation s. These are the custodians we have to believe about the origin of their tribe, and not what politics and white men want you to believe. So, its not a political thing like you said. If other tribes don't know where they come from does not mean the same applies to Yoruba s. Despite that Yoruba s fought inter tribal war did not make them deny the fact that they all originated from ile ife. That they came from the same clan. I only welcome divergent opinions from any Yoruba oba, of which I have not yet seen or heard.

All notable cities, but not all the Yoruba speaking people around the world can perfectly trace back to Ife. Well, that was my personal opinion. So many things have happened that has obscured history, since we don't have sure documents, we can't be too certain about a lot of things. We have to start from somewhere, and since oral history is what we've got, fine, we have to do with it-I'll rather believe an oba than what the white man says. They don't know any better.

However, oral tradition is very limited and many of those historical accounts are now being challenged. Oral accounts have not been able to give a good story of the origin of Oduduwa, if there were people in Ife before Oduduwa , the relationship between Benin and Yoruba etc for example. The truth is that, it very easy to twist history when there is no sure record. Igala and Itsekiri for instance would have denied completely any link with the Yoruba race, if not for the linguistic evidence that is so compelling .

Well, I will change the word "political" cos can be misconstrued.

Culture › Re: List Of Yoruba Dialects by tomber(m): 5:56pm On Apr 22, 2015

Bellfun:
Hmmm...well I wouldn't say your Dad is wrong!..we've seen people(of all tribes/ethnic groups) deny their own historical background!
But not the Kabba people that I know!..and its a big big shame for anyone to deny his/her own cultural/historical background! We all have a source! No one fell from heaven!
Finally,Kabba is not "similar" to Yoruba...we are Yorubas!!!

1.Many non Okuns assume all Yorubas from Kogi are Kabba. Also, many Okuns(Bunu,Yagba ijumu etc), for whatsoever reason, claim Kabba, especially when interacting with other Yorubas.

2. The Nupe incursion(led by Etsu Masaba)into Okun land devastated the okun people. I believe the okuns will have been many times larger if not for the incursion. The incursions was the major reason why Kogi (formally part of Kwara), is in the north. The Nupe incursion caused the greatest vicissitude of the Okun people.

3.The Igalas were not so affected cos they, more or less, surrendered on time, and later formed an alliance with the Nupes. The Egbira, who were in the past discriminated by the Okun groups, were able to push back the Nupe army. But later, with the help of the Igalas, were also defeated by the Nupe army. It was the okuns that suffered most from the activity of the Nupes . This explains the population distribution and the no. of Muslims in Kogi.(many non-okuns from kogi might not want to agree with this part)
The Nupe Domination ended with the coming of the Europeans.

4. The Nupe imposed not only taxes but their culture on the Okuns. So some people were born into an era were Nupe language and culture was common, and in some cases fashionable. Till today the effect of this seen in the okun language and culture. Oworo suffered from this the most. Till recently, the Olu of Oworo answered the title "Etsu", and till today, many chieftaincy titles still have Nupe origin.Thank God for the coming of the West, if not... I seriously doubt if Oyo, Benin, Ibadan or any other big powers of those days would have helped.

5. The Idea of Okuns being Yoruba started gaining grounds with the efforts of Awo and the interaction of the okuns with the other Yorubas through trade, education and religion( TAC and Babalola comes to mind).

6. Also, many centuries ago there was really nothing like 'Yoruba' or 'Okun' group. However, the okuns intermarried and had cordial relationship amongst themselves and weren't discriminating against each others like they did against the Bassa,Egbira and others. They shared similar culture e.g the traditional religions, masquerading and women secret cult history are very similar.

7. Scholars are worried that the history of Okuns has not be taken seriously.

All the points above makes it likely for some okun people, most likely a few decades ago, to want to deny their "Yoruba-ness". It will be hard for anybody to deny these days, not a person from Kabba esp.

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Culture › Re: List Of Yoruba Dialects by tomber(m): 4:34pm On Apr 22, 2015

buoye1:
I can speak IGBOMINA and EKITI but OYO is the pure form of Yoruba!

I love my tribe

I don't think "pure" is the right word. Historically, everyone spoke his own dailect. In fact, there were wars between the dialects and they never really saw themselves as "Yoruba" until the Europeans came.
Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther, in an effort to translate the bible, made the first attempt to standardize the Yoruba language. He used mainly the Oyo dialect and added words from the other dialects. Oyo was preferable since it was intelligible among most dialects and was also been spoken by, arguably, the largest population of the Yoruba race. Further standardization followed Samuel's work.

There is really no clear evidence to show which of the dialects gave birth to the others, just as there are really to solid evidences on the real origin and migration pattern of the Yoruba race. I personally think most groups just claim Ife to be politically correct.

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Culture › Re: List Of Yoruba Dialects by tomber(m): 4:12pm On Apr 22, 2015

The Yoruba dialects in Kogi includes Owe, Bunu, Gbede, Ijumu, Ikiri, Oworo and Yagba. They (along side some other dialects in Kwara and Ondo) are called Northeast Yoruba.

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Politics › Re: Jonathan ‘has Nothing To Fear From Me’- Buhari by tomber(m): 7:35pm On Apr 01, 2015

I'm not for that statement. He should start learning to speak like democrat cos he's no longer a despot.

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Politics › Re: Things Nigerians Should Note After Presidential Election by tomber(m): 3:52pm On Mar 31, 2015

You guys are sounding like those that voted in the north didn't vote out of sentiment. They voted Buhari cos he is theirs. Simple.
Now we'll know how wise he is and how far he'll go. Let's see if he'll appease the se and ss or he'll wont to form James bond.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Morocco Rejects Phone Conversation Between Mohammed VI And Goodluck Jonathan by tomber(m): 2:31pm On Mar 07, 2015

For now, it seems virtually all Nigerians are high. when we're done with all these self destruction we call politics, and we begin to to reap the rewards of our, should I say childishness or political naivety, we'll learn not to pull down our country before other nations.

No country is simply interested in any others good, it is firstly for selfish national interests. So, that Americans, Moroccans or whosoever is dancing a particular tone does not mean it's right; in fact, it is a reason to be wary.

Not all of us like Jonathan's gov. but we don't have to start insulting ourselves, thinking we're insulting him, before the world. You don't get credit for calling your president clueless, you'll rather appear clueless.

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Politics › Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by tomber(m): 9:39am On Feb 14, 2015

dridowu:
This GEJ government will be remember for saying "stealing is not corruption"

No ! You're wrong, he wouldn't be remembered for what he didn't say. pls get the right quote. Most people didn't watch the chats neither did they bother to see the transcript.

Politics › Re: Nigeria Hits Back At Niger; Accuses Coalition Soldiers Of Looting, Helping BH by tomber(m): 4:45pm On Feb 13, 2015

asadike:
Wait o! Is this how they will defeat boko haram? By trading insults? Dis will only encourage shekau and his men d more. The nigeria army should tread carefully.

I hope this is not true. We need more and more cooperation. In fact, we need "a united voice" that the best of weapons. If Nigeria fails today, France can't save Niger, Chad or Cameroon, they'll all fail too.

The U.S military trained Iraqi Army, sold and gave to them the best of weapons. Guess what happened when ISIS came? They almost took over the country in a few weeks. The US Army had to come in, along side their friends, with the best of fighter jets to help dislodge ISIS. Guess what? After all the billions spent and the thousands of air strikes against ISIS, they are yet to be dislodged.
The US and it allies spent over a trillion dollar in Afghan but couldn't win the Taliban.

Let's give NA a chance. We can't keep insulting then and hope they'll wanna die for us. We should know that salary and allowances are not enough motivation for soldiers in a real war but patriotism. This is not peace keeping, neither is it really a conventional war. Let not worsen their state of their morals with our posts, the service chiefs included. Niger and co should stop joining the west to score cheap points out of our predicament.

In the past, northern leaders especially-and Buhari inclusive- were directly or indirectly motivating those boys, and to the contrary demoralizing the NA. Some others that could help didn't help, cos of political interests; while some were for religious reasons, sympathetic to the course of boko. Now things have gone out of hand and we're facing the consequences. Everyone of us, including the Northern leaders,and ppl those that were sabotaging or sympathizing,Jona, past presidents, media, service chiefs etc one way or the other, will facing the consequences of our actions and inactions and will still face till God knows when. Let's work together to cut the days and consequences short.

And lastly, for Buhari(or whosoever) to try to simplify the causes for the dragging of this war against BH to Jona and corruption, is to either be totally oblivious of reality or to simply be mischievous. And I'm still wondering why no one has asked him what he meant by fighting Boko haram is fight the north; why no one has asked him if he'll treat them like Niger Delta militants were treated i.e by giving Amnesty as he went about admonishing Jona months back.

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Politics › Re: Nigerian Soldier: "We Are Using Old Tanks Since 1976 To Fight Boko Haram" - BBC by tomber(m): 4:28pm On Feb 13, 2015

The U.S military trained Iraqi Army, sold and gave to them the best of weapons. Guess what happened when ISIS came? They almost took over the country in a few weeks. The US Army had to come in, along side their friends, with the best of fighter jets to help dislodge ISIS. Guess what? After all the billions spent and the thousands of air strikes against ISIS, they are yet to be dislodged.
The US and it allies spent over a trillion dollar in Afghan but couldn't win the Taliban.

Let's give NA a chance. We can't keep insulting then and hope they'll wanna die for us. We should know that salary and allowances are not enough motivation for soldiers in a real war but patriotism. This is not peace keeping, neither is it really a conventional war. Let not worsen their state of their morals with our posts, the service chiefs included.

In the past, northern leaders especially-and Buhari inclusive- were directly or indirectly motivating those boys, and to the contrary demoralizing the NA. Some others that could help didn't help, cos of political interests; while some were for religious reasons, sympathetic to the course of boko. Now things have gone out of hand and we're facing the consequences. Everyone of us, including the Northern leaders,and ppl those that were sabotaging or sympathizing,Jona, past presidents, media, service chiefs etc one way or the other, will facing the consequences of our actions and inactions and will still face till God knows when. Let work together to cut the days and consequences short.

And lastly, for Buhari(or whosoever) to try to simplify the causes for the dragging of this war against BH to Jona and corruption, is to either be totally oblivious of reality or to simply be mischievous. And I'm still wondering why no one has asked him what he meant by fighting Boko haram is fight the north; why no one has asked him if he'll treat them like Niger Delta militants were treated i.e by giving Amnesty as he went about admonishing Jona months back.

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Politics › Re: Full Text Of President Jonathan 8th Presidential Media Chat Today by tomber(m): 12:12pm On Feb 12, 2015

Many people don't watch debates or at least get what was said from credible sources. Below is the exact quote of JEG on corruption.

“Over 70 percent of what are called
corruption, even by EFCC (Economic and
Financial Crimes Commission) and other
anti-corruption agencies is not
corruption, but common stealing.”
the President said during his 7th
Presidential Media Chat on Sunday.

Politics › Re: Obasanjo’s Support’ll Give Us More Votes –buhari by tomber(m): 12:02pm On Feb 12, 2015

msmon:
GMB is right, but for Obasanjo to have publicly endorse a candidate is utmost stupidity judging by his position in Nigeria politics.

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Stealing Vs Corruption.

*The more you talk and try to justify an action of
statement, the more you appear like a fool.*
According to the dictionary;
cor·rup·tion - /kəˈrəpSH(ə)n/ noun
1. dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in
power, typically involving bribery.
2. the process by which something, typically a word
or expression, is changed from its original use or
meaning to one that is regarded as erroneous or
debased.
steal - /stēl/
verb
1. take (another person's property) without
permission or legal right and without intending to
return it.
2. move somewhere quietly or surreptitiously.
Mr. President, I believe u can now see that
corruption is not 'only stealing' while stealing is
corruption. Basically, stealing is a subset of
corruption just like forgery, bribery etc.

here is the exact quote : “Over 70 percent of what are called
corruption, even by EFCC (Economic and
Financial Crimes Commission) and other
anti-corruption agencies is not
corruption, but common stealing.”
the President said during his 7th
Presidential Media Chat on Sunday.

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Politics › Re: Jonathan Explains What Meant When He Said ‘Stealing Is Not Corruption’ by tomber(m): 10:05am On Feb 12, 2015

“Over 70 percent of what are called
corruption, even by EFCC (Economic and
Financial Crimes Commission) and other
anti-corruption agencies is not
corruption, but common stealing.
Corruption is perception, not reality,”
the President said during his 7th
Presidential Media Chat on Sunday.

Politics › Re: Prof. Osinbajo Blast Jonathan After Presidential Media Chat by tomber(m): 10:03am On Feb 12, 2015

Politics › Re: Jonathan Explains What Meant When He Said ‘Stealing Is Not Corruption’ by tomber(m): 9:35am On Feb 12, 2015

I totally agree with the president. however, sometimes as a leader you do what your people want. Nigerian want some sort of aggressive fight against corruption. why not give it to them. OBJ did that ( despite his own dirty garment) and he is been praised. Buhari did that ( despite his selective justice, fighting only financial corruption and stealing, tribalism etc) and he's been praised for it. JEG also lacks eloquence to persuasively present his visions and programs. That's my no. 1 problem with him. sometimes he answers questions in a way that leaves one embarrassed, and it would usually require did thought and carefulness to make sense of what he says, even when he's making sense.

Also he didn't exactly say stealing isn't corruption. see pix below.

But wait o. But Buhari said Abacha was not corrupt and perpetually tries to defend the military(except Ibb). So, if he or the other military leaders we've had were not or are not corrupt, where did corruption come from then?
Oh abi he too meant Abacha wasn't corrupt but a common thief( ole)?

Why did he not probe his tenure as petroleum minister after he became president. Thought there were issues of corruption under under his watch( of an amount wc makes $20 billion of today a joke) ?

Why is nobody asking Buhari what he meant by "fighting Boko haram is fighting the North". He who was giving psychological support to Boko is now accusing the gov. of allowing corruption in the army and not boasting the moral of soldiers.

Why didn't Amanpour ask the questions above ?

Buhari has been using "corruption" as excuse to fulfill his selfish desires since ages. Assuming he is honest and sincere about his quest, do we think the only problem of Nigeria is corruption and once it is solved every other thing will simply fall in place? Every single question of "why" and "how" is answered with "corruption this corruption that". Nigerian shine your eyes.

While I agree that we have chronic corruption problem, I do not believe Buhari's acute method will solve it all. He's yet to tell us how he'll build an efficient system that will frustrate corruption.

Nobody, not even 20 Buhari, will kill corruption, it can only be reduced, controlled or tamed it cannot die.

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Politics › Re: Prof. Osinbajo Blast Jonathan After Presidential Media Chat by tomber(m): 9:17am On Feb 12, 2015

Wait o. But Buhari said Abacha was not corrupt and perpetually tries to defend the military(except Ibb). So, if he or the other military leaders we've had were not or are not corrupt, where did corruption come from then?

Why did he not probe his tenure as petroleum minister after he became president. Thought there were issues of corruption under under his watch( of an amount wc makes $20 billion of today a joke) ?

Why is nobody asking Buhari what he meant by "fighting Boko haram is fighting the North". He who was giving psychological support to Boko is now accusing the gov. of allowing corruption in the army and not boasting the moral of soldiers.

Why didn't Amanpour ask the questions above ?

Buhari has been using "corruption" as excuse to fulfill his selfish desires since ages. Assuming he is honest and sincere about his quest, do we think the only problem of Nigeria is corruption and once it is solved every other thing will simply fall in place? Every single question of "why" and "how" is answered with "corruption this corruption that". Nigerians shine your eyes.

While I agree that we have chronic corruption problem, I do not believe Buhari's acute method will solve it all. He's yet to tell us how he'll build an efficient system that will frustrate corruption.

Nobody, not even 20 Buhari, will kill corruption, it can only be reduced, controlled or tamed it cannot die.

Politics › Re: Buhari To Be Interviewed By Christiane Amanpour On CNN Today 8pm by tomber(m): 11:19pm On Feb 11, 2015

To Buhari, the only problem Nigeria has is corruption and the only solution is fighting it radically. I find it hard to believe that this man really can change this country for the better.

Politics › Re: Court Orders Papers Served On Jonathan Over Qualification For 2015 by tomber(m): 9:04pm On Feb 09, 2015

alaoeri:
Jona shouldn't be disqualify, I want him to be the first sitting president that will be humiliated at the poll in order news let MARCHBUHARI to Aso rock.
Sai Buhari.

So it all humiliation right?

Politics › Re: Buhari's Certificate Matter - Tune Into Channels Television by tomber(m): 1:44pm On Jan 21, 2015

Someone should paste a copy of the affidavit pls

Politics › Re: Prof Osinbajo's Lie Bursted,apc Is Indeed A Party Built On Falsehood by tomber(m): 10:00am On Jan 21, 2015*

Virtually all politicians are good liars just like their father.

Politics › Re: Nigeria Election Debate Group Releases Timetable For Presidential Debates by tomber(m): 6:29pm On Jan 20, 2015

What a great show that will be.

Politics › Re: Fayose Abused A Bible Verse And Insulted Muslims’ – Buhari Reacts To Ekiti Gov’s by tomber(m): 8:02pm On Jan 19, 2015

That was a bad one. Fayose should know that this is not Ekiti, but Nigeria. He should keep his revelation to himself. Anybody can die anytime. We've seen doctors who tell patients they have few days to live dying before those patients.

Let's just play this politics right and leave death and violence out of it.

Politics › Re: Jonathan Will Concede Defeat If He Loses - Presidency by tomber(m): 7:40pm On Jan 19, 2015

Orikinla:
[size=18pt]AMEN.
SOMEBODY SHOUT HALLELUJAH![/size]

Politics › Re: “Jonathan Will Win 2015 Election But Be Cut Short” – Prophet Emmanuel Nwazuo by tomber(m): 8:05pm On Jan 16, 2015

Prophecies and counter prophecies

Politics › Re: Breaking News..jimi Agbaje Defeated Ambode In Lagos Governorship Election Debate by tomber(m): 7:57pm On Jan 16, 2015

Jimi all the way. But when will the men below me have their own debate now.

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Politics › Re: Fashola Destabilizes Buhari’s Camp by tomber(m): 7:44pm On Jan 16, 2015

When Fashola started being talkative I knew he'll put himself in trouble. Fashola should leave politics to politicians, who can lie without being caught. What a grave mistake.

Wait o. Could it have been deliberate?

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Politics › Re: President Jonathan Hugs General Buhari At Election Sensitization Workshop (Pic) by tomber(m): 12:58pm On Jan 14, 2015

Orikinla:
[size=18pt]There will be a new administration in 2015.

The dream I had in the early hours of today is strange, but means change.
I saw many soldiers on the street in combat gear.
Some were combing houses.
Then I saw, Gen. Muhammad Buhari (retd) accepting a new belt to change his old belt.

President Goodluck Jonathan, PhD, has already sealed his fate when he insisted in 2011 that he will not stay in office beyond 2015.

"For by your words you will be justified and acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned and sentenced."
~ Matthew 12:37, Holy Bible, Amplified Bible (AMP)

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Unfortunately for you, Buhari(with tears) also said 2011 will be the last election for him. So both can't be trusted on that ground.

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Politics › Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by tomber(m): 6:30pm On Dec 31, 2014

LogicPower:
1. Every objective and informed observer knows that GEJ has never been fully and whole-heartedly committed to fighting corruption. Evidence: Farouk Lawan, Bankole, Oduah, Diezani, Bode George, Aalamieyeseigha (and the near extinction of the EFCC, which has now been reduced to arresting petty criminals)

2. Every objective and informed observer knows that GEJ has never been fully and whole-heartedly committed to stopping the insurgency in the north. Evidence: right from the very first bomb he saw it as an opportunity to exploit to silence the Northern leaders, blackmail them and give them so much to battle with; the insurgency that started with a few largely unarmed ragtags was allowed to develop into a conflagration that is consuming the North.

3. Every objective and informed observer knows that GEJ has never been fully and whole-heartedly committed to rescuing the innocent CHIBOK GIRLS. Evidence: It took his government ten days, and the internationalization of the girls plight and the spontaneous global outrage, to make GEJ and his goons to even believe there was any kidnapping. And today the poor girls have spent 261 DAYS IN CAPTIVITY, and yet GEJ and his cohorts would prefer we ALL forget about them so as not to 'embarrass' his government!

I'm just stunned when GMB supporters think they are objective and informed.

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Politics › Re: Ijaw Youths Threaten Revenge Attack On Buhari’s Supporters If ... by tomber(m): 8:09pm On Dec 22, 2014

It is unfortunate that Nigeria has remain divided. The effect of our lack of unity outweighs the effect of every of our problems altogether.
Now who will gain from a North-SouthS violent? Certainly, nobody. The almajiris will kill whosoever doesn't look like hausa fulani, including Yorubas and Ibos. non Hausas will retaliate. ND boys will destroy oil facilities which will worsen our economic situation. Boko Haram may not renounce violence even with their fellow Muslim as the President( that is if Buhari wins), but instead will leverage on the violence to wreck more havoc. We'll all lose at the end of the day.

So pls. let's stop all this hatred because it can only worsen our woes.

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