₦airaland Forum

Can't you people see that the creator of this thread is just kidding around ? Why are you people taking this thread seriously ?

How can a man that is always in the hospital and hasn't even finished his first term be thinking of third term

ugborikoko:
Obasanjo brought mobile phones to the common man by providing telecom licenses. He initiated moves to clear the IMF debt of over $35billion. He commited his share of attrocities too, but doing nothing would have been a disaster.

After over a year in Office, Mr Umaru has done very little looking foward. He has beat up news agents, and generally done nothing else, other than look backwards.

Its a weird thing to say, but i think an Obasanjo third term would have been better than, "Mr do nothing", "Mr rule of law".

How many votes for Uncle Shegge

Don't forget that:

- He also introduced private universities in Nigeria
- He formed the National Pension Commission - Pecom
- He had more women in top positions than any other head of state
- He formed the Niger Delta Development Commission - NDDC
- Thirteen percent (13%) derivation for oil producing states
- He cleaned up abuja and largely restored it to its original master plan

At least OBJ did something, What has Yar'adua done with $60 billion dollars in reserves ?

Bear in mind that just because someone is good at fighting corruption doesn't mean they'll
make a good president.

Yar'adua was chosen by OBJ to be president because he was not a corrupt governor, but has he been a good president so far ?

If Ribadu wants to run for office, let him come out and state what he has to offer. I don't know enough about him to
support anyone's call for his presidency come 2011.

nuzo:
Your comment shows that you intentionally set out to criticize my personality instead of my point on Fashola's work.
But for clarity sake, i'm not anti-nigerian; in fact i am anti-evil, anti-corruption, anti-hypocrisy, anti-cowardice and anti-wickedness. If nigeria happens to be an embodiment of these evils, then i shouldn't be blamed if i refuse to compromise my virtues like most nigerians have.

Like i said before, some of Fashola's work are commendable while some may seem okay for now but will be a total waste of fund and time immediately he vacates office. A style most nigerian politicians are familiar with.(fire brigade approach)

Nuzo, I made my statement from my observation of your posts, not just from this thread. You are always saying something like
"typical Nigerian". You wrote the same thing on the Rochas Okocha thread.

On this thread, for instance, rather than addressing the thread starter, you are addressing every Nigerian.

Even in your response here, you are saying most Nigerians have compromised their virtues. You seem to have this disdain for Nigeria and I can't understand why you are found of a Nigerian forum.

Like I said, it is just an observation of mine.

nuzo:
Fashola is building castles in the air. He's tackling Lagos's problems from the surface instead of building a solid foundation for his successors to work on. Typical of nigeria politicians.
Lagos will be back to square one the moment his term expires, simply because there's no solid foundation.

However, some of his laws are commendable.

You this nuzo guy, why are you so anti-Nigeria ? if that is how you feel, why create an account on a Nigerian
forum as you seem to despise anything Nigerian ?

@ hollandis

What do you want the man to do, not enforce the law ?

You want everyone to use the specially dedicated BRT lanes ?
You want houses built illegally on sewage areas to lie there anyhow ?

The traffic nightmare you are complaining of, wasn't it there before BRT ? Besides, it is up to you to drive to work
in the midst of traffic or use the bus rapid transport, which is meant to carry more people quickly.

If people cooperate with the lagos Internal Revenue Service (LIRS), then the market will not be shut down. The
computer village was shut down because the operators did not heed to the govt's warning.

Fashola is not bent on shutting down markets anyhow, he is asking these businesses to pay their taxes. It is
up to the alaba market business people to determine their fate.

Now to the piracy issue, well that's a different case.

Chidoski:
And to think that Fashola closed a whole market like computer village without warning and ultimatum threats, is most disheartening and disappointing.

@Chidoski

If you read this thread from the beginning, you would've seen that Fashola had given previous warnings to the traders. Anyone who knows Fashola
by now would know there is no way he'll shut down the place without initially warning them.

cabali:
I feel they that didn't pay should be prosecuted too! then the clowns on this thread who disagree should be arrested.

cabali you no well

phraoh:
personally,i think the Governor is making Lagos expensive and that aint good.

What Fashola is doing now should have been done years ago. Go overseas and see how states are run

phraoh:
Empowerin all types of thugs with different shades of uniform to extort money from its citizen

The initiative itself is applaudable, it is its implementation that needs to be worked on. We have to curb
acts of lawlessness in Lagos.

phraoh:
and always decreein one thin or the other every wakin up day

This is because lagos needs so much work. Lagos state govt just said henceforth, child hawking will be banned
in Lagos during school hours and parents will be held liable. Even though it is "another decree", I actually side
with the govt.

phraoh:
Do u even knw how much it cost to erect a billboard in Lagos nw?its preposterous.

Have you ever heard of demand/supply ? Has the price stopped people from paying for the billboards ?
That is free market economy for you. If you can''t stand the
heat, stay out of the kitchen.

The sentencing should send a strong signal to the military personnel for no such tolerance



Here are the soldiers convicted, with the Major on the far left (courtesy of vanguard)

https://www.vanguardngr.com/images/stories/Kadunaf.jpg

The owner of this forum, Seun Osewa, is a yoruba guy and he lets Yoruba haters have a free reign here.

If this forum was owned by someone from another Nigerian tribe, they would have censored anything bad said about their
tribe.

Obasanjo, a yoruba man, despite his many short comings, had the most all inclusive set of ministers in Nigerian history.

soludo, akunyili, okonjo-iweala, el-rufai, ribadu, ezekwesili, Paul dike (first igbo service chief since the end of the civil war)
Ernest Ndukwe, Liyel imoke etc were many of the top shots of OBJ's administration that were not yorubas.

You can easily see the difference now with a Northerner in power.

Yoruba people's ability to accept others is largely responsible for the success of Nairaland and the city of Lagos.

I believe yorubas rank extremely high when it comes to tolerating others (I'm not saying they are perfect, but
in the Nigerian context, they rank extremely high)

Which state of Nigeria are you from ? There are some states that are sponsoring students to go and get their doctorates
overseas because Nigeria is in dire need of professors. We just don't have the capacity to produce enough Ph.D's for our
teeming population.

In general, University of Ibadan is reputed as the best school in Nigeria to pursue a doctorate. I don't know much about UI's
engineering program.

But like I said, people are being sponsored to get their PhD's abroad by Nigerian state govts, especially if you plan on teaching.
You could be sent to South Africa, UK, Malaysia/Philippines (can't recall which of the two) etc.

It is really becoming a menace on Lagos roads, I hear.

[size=14pt]I Was Commissioned to Nail Bankole - Umar Farouk[/size]

http://www.independentngonline.com/news/head/article01


A human right activist, Umar Farouk, alleged on Thursday that a member of the House of Representatives, Independence Ogunewe (PDP, Imo), commissioned him with N1 million to initiate the sack of the House Speaker, Dimeji Bankole, over the controversial N2.3 billion vehicles purchase for members.

Appearing before the House Committee on Ethics and Privileges investigating the allegation of fraud involved in the said purchase, Farouk said Ogunewe had contacted him for the job through his friend, with an initial payment of N200,000.

He said he decided to own up after realising that the agitation by Ogunewe and four of his colleagues was borne out of selfishness.

The names of Ogunewe's accomplices, according to him are Festus Adegoke (PDP, Oyo), Gbenga Oduwaiye (PDP, Ogun), Kayode Amusan (PDP, Ogun) and Solomon Awhinawhin (PDP, Delta).


While the various meetings for the execution of the agenda lasted, Farouk said, Ogunewe informed participants that an unnamed state governor was behind the plot to unseat the Speaker.

In a telephone interview, Ogunnewe, explained that he was not in Abuja, and was not in position to comment on the matter at the moment.

He said "I'm in my country home and I don't know what is happening in Abuja except what you have just told me. I am aware of it now and I will make enquiry".

He failed to defend Farouk's claims, reiterating that he would react to the claims when he is back in town.

"I need to know the journalist talking to me before saying anything. I am in my village. I am not in Abuja," he continued when he called back.

The House committee probe followed a letter of complaint Lagos lawyer, Festus Keyamo, wrote to Bankole alleging fraud in the transaction.

According to Farouk, "at the resumption of the meeting at his (Ogunewe's) house in the evening, they gave me the sum of N200,000 to rally support of

the pro-democracy groups, organise press conference calling for the immediate resignation of the Speaker and also print 'Bankole Must Go' leaflets for

the purpose of circulation within strategic areas of Abuja in order to generate sympathy from the general public against the Speaker and by extension

the entire House leadership."

haba, david, you are already getting jealous of the guy and he hasn't even been sworn in

but seriously, why does Nigeria1 have to spam all threads with these satellite images ? Which kind obsession B diss ?

Kobojunkie:
The Other side did SHOW their document? WHERE did you get this news from? What Line of the articles you POSTED show this??

That's the answer to your question in the post above from Punch.

I have highlighted it in bold.


The NASS and PAN Management took the original documents to the NASS committee investigating Keyamo's claim
and showed that his documents are fake.


But I guess you need to see the documents in Columbus, OHIO to believe them. joker

Kobojunkie:
The Other side did SHOW their document? WHERE did you get this news from? What Line of the articles you POSTED show this??

Kobojunkie, here is the news article from the Punch

See the parts I have bolded.




http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200811064105971

N2.3bn car scandal: Keyamo’s documents are fake – N’Assembly, PAN
By John Ameh and Tony Amokeodo
Published: Thursday, 6 Nov 2008

The Management of the National Assembly and Peugeot Automobile Nigeria Limited on Wednesday told the House of Representatives Committee on Ethics and Privileges that the allegation of fraud in the purchase of 380 Peugeot 407 cars for House committees was based on forged documents.

The Clerk of the National Assembly, Alhaji Ibrahim Arab, who led three other senior officials in the bureaucratic arm of the legislature to testify before the panel, also said that the documents presented by Keyamo did not originate from the National Assembly.

PAN‘s Manager, Commercial Division, Mr. Umar Kaita, who also led officials from the company to testify, told the panel that Keyamo‘s documents did not come from the organisation.

The controversial vehicles were purchased at a combined sum of N2.3bn early this year.

The NASS management and PAN, being the vital links in the investigation, appeared separately before the panel and tendered what they argued to be the ”authentic documents” covering the contract for the supply of the cars.

Arab, PAN officials and members of the committee, compared their documents with those of Keyamo and found out that there were differences.

In the payment vouchers for the transaction, there were 13 differences between Keyamo‘s and the ones presented by the management of National Assembly.

On Keyamo‘s documents, it was discovered that there was no ”audit stamp” compared to the ones from the management, which had the audit stamp.

There were differences in the signatures on the two documents, while the National Assembly stamp on Keyamo‘s was also found to be forged.

The Acting Director of Finance and Supplies, National Assembly, Mr. Bukoye Lasisi said, ”The entire voucher is different because even the audit pencil on Keyamo‘s voucher is not the same as our own.

”We tick our vouchers, we do not cross them as shown in Keyamo‘s own; that is the practice in the National Assembly.”

Arab and his team also faulted Keyamo‘s claim that a Zenith Bank cheque was used to pay for the cars.

Keyamo had quoted the number of the cheque, but on Wednesday, the panel heard that the payment was made on a Central Bank of Nigeria cheque from the capital votes of the National Assembly kept with the apex bank.

PAN, which corroborated the position of the management, told the panel that the class of car specified in the contract was Peugeot 407 ST Sport Auto, adding that “ST Sport Auto was what we supplied.”

When contacted on the telephone in Lagos, Keyamo said the claims by the NASS and PAN managements amounted to an afterthought.

He, therefore, said the claim of the lawmakers was false, asking them to publish the correct contract papers for the cars.

The lawyer said, ” Before I asked for open explanation on the issue, the Newswatch magazine broke the story in its September 24 edition.

“I only took up the issue after one month of the publication. Why can‘t they respond to the publication immediately? The fact remains that cars had been supplied and contract awarded.

“If they are saying that I am relying on forged documents, they should publish the correct contract papers. In the final analysis, the defence is an afterthought. It is a white lie and false. They are just trying to deceive Nigerians.

“It is a desperate attempt by desperate people.”

The Chairman of the committee, Mr. Saleh Minjibir, said that the members would analyse the presentations of Keyamo, PAN and the management of NASS before writing its report on the matter.

Tonim:
What does this say about you ?

What this says about you is, even though you might not have said explicitly that Bankole is
corrupt, you believe he is from the depth of your heart.

I asked you earlier how you are going to have access to the documents from both sides
given the fact that you reside in OHIO, you said it is none of my business how you get
the documents. Why couldn't you give a straight answer

Kobojunkie:
Why did I not demand to see the documents when the allegations where initially made??

1) Keyamo claimed his documents prove fraud. How do I know if his documents are fake or not? IF THE OTHER SIDE PROVIDE THE VALID DOCUMENTS SO WE CAN VERIFY.

Well, the other side has provided the valid documents and Keyamo's is fake !!

Both the PAN and NASS Management have provided theirs.

You said this is all you needed, it's been provided, yet you are not satisfied.

Now you have to see documents from both sides with your naked eyes in Columbus, OHIO

What does this say about you ?

Again kobojunkie, I ask you:

If you want to see documents now that it is proving Bankole's innocence, why didn't you ask
for documents when the initial allegations were made ?

Why ask for documents now and not initially ?

Many thanks !

Kobojunkie:
Lesson for you

Thanks, but I don't need a lesson from a "Nairaland bonafide" idiot.

Kobojunkie:
Here is the problem with your line of questioning. It assumes I believed the initial stories to be true, bringing me back to the question I asked you. Where did you get that from? Show me what line in all of my posts proves I BELIEVE the ALLEGATIONS, note ALLEGATIONS, to be FACTUAL?

it is not assuming anything.

I ask you again:

When the initial allegations were made, why didn't you wait to receive the documents proving he is corrupt
before believing the story ? Since you claim you like to investigate, why didn't you investigate then ?

I think it is only fair. If you want to see documents now, why didn't you ask for documents initially when the
allegations were made ?

Kobojunkie:
The Problem I have with people who think as you do is that you don't actually read or care what people have to say or actually say. You are too biased and have your minds made up that anyone who does not agree with you is GUILTY of the worst. Here is a chance for you to prove me wrong. Show me exactly what line you got that statement you have above in BOld from. Where did I make such a claim?

Show me that you are not just another blind Nigerian idiot on here that I ought not to waste my time on anymore and I am serious. You have no clue how IRRITATING it is to have to deal with such people.

Kobojunkie, if anyone is a blind Nigerian idiot, it is definitely you ! Many people have echoed this on this forum, especially
this Politics board and I believe this idiocy of yours had a lot to do with you being relieved as this board's moderator.

This is the question I need you to answer, please:

When the initial allegations were made, why didn't you wait to receive the documents proving he is corrupt
before believing the story ? Since you claim you like to investigate, why didn't you investigate then ?

Many thanks !

It is none of your business where I expect to get the documents.

Okay then. Siddon there for OHIO and be expecting the documents since
you like to investigate as you said.


You don't believe the newspapers' story that the documents by Keyamo are fake, but you believe their story
that indeed Bankole is corrupt.

When the initial allegations were made, why didn't you wait to receive the documents proving he is corrupt
before believing the story ? Since you claim you like to investigate, why didn't you investigate then ?

Now that the tide is turning, you need to see documents to prove his innocence and you don become Private Investigator
all of a sudden


Like I said earlier, you already have your mind made up on this issue and my sense is this is due to your bias.

Dr Kathy

I just want to thank you for a wonderful job you are doing here

I wonder how Napoleon is doing. We haven't heard from him since.

Kobojunkie:
Hey!! We could play the WHAT IF game from today till the morrow. Unless you are going to tell me next that all corruption cases in Nigeria have been verified to be hoaxes, and that the claim that yar adua has not done much are all stories made up by Nigerian lawyers and the media, I would rather see the documents, examine the data myself to be sure.

I think you have already made up your mind that the guy is guilty, so no matter what evidence proves otherwise,
you'll find something wrong with it. You are just being biased.

Because, if you read my post from the same Nigerian media (Vanguard and another one), it clearly states that the true authentic documents
were given to the house committee by PAN and the NASS management.

How you expect to get these documents from Keyamo and PAN/NASS Management to determine which is fake
from your place of abode in OHIO defies logic.

I don't know about anyone else but I would rather we be shown the documents so we can each at least see and know for sure that this is not a coverup of some sort.

What if it's not a cover up but the honest truth ?

Keyamo and Newswatch magazine got themselves involved with the political games played in Nigeria.

Abi, didn't you hear about the fictitious email sent to the media regarding Yar'adua ? Didn't it turn out
to be a hoax ?

@PepERSprAY,


Please stop responding to the goat, abeg. Just ignore the goat.

[size=14pt]Keyamo’s document on N2.3b car deal forged, say PAN, N/ Assembly[/size]

http://www.thenationonlineng.com/dynamicpage.asp?id=68876

Peugeot Automobile of Nigeria and the management of the National Assembly yesterday said Lagos lawyer, Festus Keyamo is parading forged documents on the controversial Peugeot transaction by the House of Representatives.


The Acting General Manager of PAN, Mr. Umar Kaita and Clerk of the National Assembly, Alhaji Nasir Arab, stated this when they appeared before the Ethics and Privileges Committee of the House investigating the controversial 380 units of the car purchase.



Kaita, who appeared with five other senior staff of the automobile company, faulted almost all the documents tendered before the committee by Keyamo.

He gave the breakdown of the processes that led to the transaction.

He said: "You would be absolutely correct to conclude that Keyamo misled the committee and the House of Representatives in his submission."

He also said that the company did not give kickback to the Speaker, Hon. Dimeji Bankole or any member of the House and insisted that "the contract was free of corruption."

On the mode of payment, he said that contrary to the assertion by Keyamo that PAN was paid with Zenith Bank cheques, the company actually received Central Bank cheques.

Keyamo had on Wednesday, October 29 told the committee that PAN was paid with Zenith Bank cheques and mentioned some cheque numbers to buttress his claims. But Kaita said that the claim that PAN was paid with Zenith Bank cheques was part of false statements by the lawyer.

Kaita also said that the price list Keyamo tendered before the committee did not emanate from the company.

On payment of Value Added Tax, he said that the PAN had automatic VAT system that is remitted automatically at the end of every month. He said that the company also paid the wthholding tax to the Federal Government as required by law.

On why the name from Sport Automatic to ST Comfort, Kaita said that they change appellation for marketing strategy. He said, "The 407 we supplied, we now call ST Sport Comfort."

Kaita said that PAN did not give the National Assembly any discount for the bulk purchase because of the time frame required for the supply of the vehicles. He explained that the company required at least 90 day from the date of letter of credit to production date and another 60 days for shipping before any buyer could enjoy discount.


National Assembly Clerk Arab said that there were marked differences in the documents submitted by Keyamo and the actual documents of the National Assembly for the transaction.

He highlighted aspects of discrepancies like difference in signature, difference in National Assembly stamp as well as audit pencil marking on the document particularly the payment vouchers.

On why there was no competitive bidding, he explained that "when you are dealing with a manufacturer, nobody can bid against a manufacturer." He also said that the National Assembly since 1999 till date banks with the United Bank for Africa and that all capital funds are usually from the CBN. He said,

"We ordered 407 ST Sport cars. This is what we agreed and that was what was supplied. There was nothing hidden. It was a transparent transaction and the documents are all there for any body to see."

I knew as (Pepperspray has been saying) that this story is just political against Bankole


[size=13pt]Keyamo parading fake documents — Nat'l Assembly, PAN[/size]

http://www.vanguardngr.com/content/view/21111/42/



THE Management of Peugeot Automobile Nigeria (PAN) and the National Assembly Bureaucracy, yesterday, declared documents paraded by Lagos lawyer, Mr Festus Keyamo, alleging fraud in the purchase of 380 units of 407 ST Sports Comfort vehicles for about N2.4 billion for the House of Representatives’ Committees and its leadership, as fake.


Besides, the House resolved to write a congratulatory letter to United States President-elect, Mr.
Barack Obama. The resolution came following the passage of a motion congratulating Mr. Obama by Chief Whip, Emeka Ihedioha.

Mr. Keyamo in a presentation before the House Committee on Ethics and Privileges recently, alleged that the car deal which was handled by the National Assembly was inflated to swindle public funds to the tune of over N500 million among other under-hand deals that went with it.

According to the lawyer, the N2.4 billion was paid to PAN for a tax and discount-free delivery of 20 Peugeot Automatic 407 cars to the leadership, with collapsible side mirrors, automatic rear packing features with 3.0 capacity engines.

Other members, the lawyer alleged, were supplied lower specifications that may have varied in model with either 2.0 engine capacity or 2.10 capacity engines, but with the same price per unit of N5.1 million each (the amount he alleged had crashed from an earlier quotation by the PAN group of N6.1 million per unit).

The lawyer, who had earlier filed a petition against the purchase at the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC), insisted that the Management of PAN must offer explanations to Nigerians, on why vouchers issued on the purchase by the Department of Finance at the National Assembly “double-paid” Valued Added Tax (VAT) on the purchases, but the Clerk of National Assembly, Nasir Arab, had in his testimony before the panel, said the National Assembly was statutorily exempted from VAT.

The Director of Planning and Legislative Budgeting, Mr. Muhammed Kabir, told the panel that what Keyamo was “parading” as evidence of double-VAT payment, might have been the payment for delivery which was made twice on February 29, 2008 and June 9, 2008 through the Central Bank.

The Clerk’s position was buttressed by PAN, which said the transaction went with a with-holding tax and a N75 million-tax since remitted to the Federal Government.

Keyamo had also alleged that the National Assembly Management (Director of Finance Unit) issued a cheque for the payment of the contract sum of N1.5 billion in the first installment (the purchase is said to have been paid for in installments).

The Acting General Manager of PAN, Mr. Umar Kaita, who appeared earlier before the House Committee on Ethics and Privileges,

described the allegations by Keyamo as unfortunate, saying the documents “he is parading” may have been forged, as according to him, they contradicted the documents PAN held on the transaction that was sealed on May 28, 2008.

[quote author=Nigeria1// link=topic=192181.msg3049011#msg3049011 date=1226007199]I understand. But the truth is Africa immigrate do not feel inferior to a white person because some of us have been managers and hold top position in our countries before coming. We have seen black people own billions in dollar from our countries . so we have the mental framework to think success, but africa american do not have that. They sometime feel inferior and lay claim to slavery.

You see when i came here i use to be around too many black people. You do not get information from them. they even hide information from you. IF you want to have success in north america. make white people your friend. They have access to more information and sometime are well connected. I notice black people tend to have negative mind set and look for ways to pull you down. So i just stay away from them. I have a principle, if you pull me up and be useful too my life what good are you too me.

I have had bad white people in my life too, but i can tell you , i have had many many good one. Evil people is not a issue of the colour of skin or ethnics group but what is in your heart. It is like a story of bad in law or good one. ? Will you say since you have had of story of bad in law. You would get married. No,

There are good white , just open your heart, and see everybody for who they are.[/quote]Nigeria1,

this is perhaps the best post I have read from you on this forum.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on the portions I have in bold. Very well said

I don't believe the figure is up to 10 billion dollars. Perhaps 10 billion naira (~ 84 million dollars)
but definately not 10 billion dollars.