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n3xt:
This is a very good example.

You mean QS boq??

What you uploaded here is provisional sum boq now. This is not a detailed bill of engineering measurement and evaluation called BEME

Some years ago, I prepared a bill of quantities (boq) for my company for Lagos state electrical installation project. When we got to negotiation meeting the head of the electrical department ask the main contractor that she will like to know who prepared the electrical boq . She said the engineer detailed the boq, easy to understand and make it simplle The MD of the civil engineering company didn't say anything, the woman ask him again he later replied that the engineer was not part of the meeting. She said she will like to know me that there is position waiting for the engineer in Alausa. I laughed even my MD face changed as if the woman has given me employment letter .

We got the job ooo but salary did not increase ooooo.... But I enjoyed my work especially when it comes to high rise building

QSFemi:
You've spoken fairly and from experience.

The fact that you've met few QS that couldn't effectively handle MEP bills doesn't mean that there are not QS that can effectively prepare such. I've met so many civil engineers that cannot prepare structural drawings. In today's QS practice, there are many QS that specialized in only MEP bills. For instance, many QS are working with Mor and Mor - a purely electrical services installation companies. At Console Associates - a foremost QS firm, they've more than 100 QS that specialized on various aspects of engineering costing.

QS Femi, don't get me wrong. There are some that are specialise in MEP boq. But these days MEP consultant does most of the bill immediately after their design

I know Mar&mor very well. We have other big contractions firm also, Kenol, Mabbsa (now Mabstar), Dayson, Etco, Lambert etc and the consultants KOA, CA consultant, OJ&T consultant, MEE consultant, Molecular consultant

Presently I have a two QS that are undergoing training under me

chidi4eze:
Good morning all;
Please how much is the ideal amount for pop installation(for design and plain)? I will buy the materials myself. Thanks

Cost will depend on the measurement or are you asking for the labour charges?

QSFemi:
Get yourself educated first before throwing the word "ignorance" around. There's nothing like BEME in the eye of the law. It's just an unscrupulous attempt by engineers to usurp QS of their primary roles of costing. Come to think of it, you think the construction you mentioned such as bridges, jetties etc cannot be cost by a QS? How ignorant are you! Last two weeks, I prepared a bid for a dredging project brought to me by an engineer. Countless Quantity Surveyors are working with Julius Berger, Cappa and D'Alberto, CCECC (China Civil Engineering Construction Company) undertaking bridges, road construction, railway constructions. I've worked in a road construction company before costing nothing but roads, bridges and related works.

The term "cost engineering" is foreign to the Nigerian infrastructure development industry. It's never an area of specialisation in Nigeria. Rather, it's a specialized field used mostly in the USA. Due to absence of the term "quantity surveying" in the USA, cost engineering suffices to fulfil the role. Some of Nigerian trained quantity surveying graduates have undertaken post graduate studies in cost engineering in the USA. This should tell you that cost engineering is not domiciled only in the body of engineering alone even in the USA.

Nigeria gained independence from the UK and most of the tertiary education curriculum in Nigeria is fashioned after the UK model. In the UK construction and infrastructure development Industry, quantity surveyors are the only recognised cost expert on infrastructure developments - buildings, roads, bridges, jetties, railways etc.

The fight by engineers to oversee costing of infrastructure developments is an attempt to further drag the country further into the abyss of corruption that the country is already battling with.

Design and costing are two independent specialized fields and they're not mutually inclusive.

Well, both QS and engineer can perform the same duty but in different ways, When i graduated from university, i worked in MEP contracting company in which i was attached to senior Electrical Engineer doing bill of engineering measurement and evaluation. I was under him for 5-weeks before he left the company then i took over the boq preparation. It was a huge task for me and i was able to handle all bills and also generate boq from the Electrical design drawing.

Though, we have a QS but according to him he said they only trained them on civil works aspect of bill preparation. What he does is Valuation on all the on-going projects, attend site meetings with engineers to know when the company is due for valuation, prepare LPO for vendors, negotiate with suppliers, etc. Most QS are good in civil aspect of bill preparation except few of them that are trying to do MEP boq.

Anytime a tender is being sent to us then and the MEP boq were prepared by QS, we always have alot of variations and additional works on that project if awarded to us then.

These days most of the MEP BOQ is always prepared by MEP consultants with the detail materials. I have prepared alot of detailed MEP boq for Nairalanders. at times there would be no design but with the experience i have.

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gandkiss:
Thanks sir,
What of wc do you install the wc before tiles or after?

WC after floor and wall tiles of the toilets

Manufactured or assembled

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n3xt:
@topsy23

Pls do you have any idea where I can get Celec power controllers or products in Nigeria?

I’m looking for this single phase breaker saver. I can order online but I’d really love to have a feel of the product or talk to a technical person.

Boss I don't have the idea of this. But will research on it

checkmatez:
Thanks for your input, I hurriedly did everything in the ground floor flats except wiring because I had a traditional marriage and using it saved me stress
The house is a four 3 bedroom flat (2 flat down and 2 flat up)

No problem without a solution. You can still get what you want

Nyeks04:
It still very possible to install conduit for your electricals,the plastered walls on the ground floor will be cracked to fix in the pipes and later on plastered,the lighting pipe which was supposed to be buried within the decking will then be clipped to the surface,the pop when installed will cover it up.

Lighting conduit pipes on ground floor is very possible using surface piping since there is going to be POP covering it. My concern is the wall piping which must be done with experience electrician using cutting machine.

We have done alot of surface pipe before

checkmatez:
Good day engineers in the house
Had a duplex project that was pause but willing to continue now. The house have been plastered ( ground floor been plastered but first floor haven't) but not yet wired and no provision for conduit wiring was made, please how do I go about it( to do the conduit pipe for wiring both ground and first floor).

Note* it has also been roofed but Pop board or ceiling boards have not been installed

But your builder suppose to call your attention to this before the commencement of plastering . If you are to do the conduit work on already plastered wall now, they must use cutting machine, drilling machine to avoid cracks on the wall. If the electrician try to chisel already plastered wall, you will be treating cracks in future .

Be ready to bring generator to site, spend money in fuelling the gen. All the walls would be touched

Also, don't let them start the pop now.

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Rexology:
Please include the price of the 1.5 and 2.5 GREEN with DB 22 switch 3 phase,ELCB and Earth rod. Give me the grand total. What is the likely cost of delivery to Makurdi and how long from the day of payment ? What brand of wire and DB will you give me?

The brand of DB will be ABB You will get 24breakers which is 8-ways 3-phase and not 22 breakers
Cable : COLEMAN

Rexology:
Please include 20 yards of 10mm

After payment confirmation, the goods will leave Lagos same through night bus

I will do the calculation and revert back

Pls can you message me on WhatsApp 08033643191

Rexology:
Thank you so much. If you sale wire,please attach cost these items

1.5mm
RED 4
BLACK 3


2.5mm for socket
RED 3
BLACK 3
1.5mm GREEN 3

4mm For AC
RED 2
BLACK 2
2.5mm GREEN 2

6mm single core earth cable 30m

10mm single core depend on location of DB and Changeover

Since there is no water heater

twinskenny:
boss he said there is no water heater, i guess 2 red 2 black of the 4mm should be okay

ok i did not see that

Rexology:
Thank you so much. If you sale wire,please attach cost these items

1.5mm 9350
2.5mm 15500
4mm 25500

[quote author=Rexology post=104565161][/quote]1.5mm
RED 4
BLACK 3


2.5mm for socket
RED 3
BLACK 3
1.5mm GREEN 3

4mm For AC ans Water Heater
RED 3
BLACK 3
2.5mm GREEN 3

6mm single core earth cable 30m

10mm single core depend on location of DB and Changeover

Check our thread for more info

https://www.nairaland.com/2326721/nigerchin-kabelmetal-coleman-cables/31

Rexology:
Professionals, please help me look into this quotation for wiring of 3bedroom bungalow.
1. 22 switch DB
2. 1.5mm 11 rolls
3. 2.5mm 12rolls
4. 4mm 12 rolls
5. Earth wire 2rolls
6 Earth wire 2rolls
7.Earth wire 2rolls
8. 10mm 20yards.

I have the feelings that the wire is too much 3bedroom bungalow. No water heater.

Tye quantity looks like too much. But we need to check the plan before we can say anything.

You can share the plan with me let me see

diordaves:
There are clients that are bad market. This you should know. So to filter out bad market, next time these are processes you should carry out before moving to site:

#1. If the client is from Nairaland, look up for how long they've been on Nairaland. If they've been on Nairaland for a good length of time, take some comfort in that. Good information about their personality will be here on Nairaland by their posts and the forums they frequently visit. Be wary of those who register today, today to contact you for work. Just be wary. It doesn't mean this is not possible. Just be wary because you don't know jack about them. ALWAYS research your client upfront before accepting any job. Ask them for their name. I will come to 'name' again in point three.

#2. Be attentive to the way they address you or talk to you in messages. Be wary if they are unduly and unnecessarily harsh in their communication to you. As if they are doing you a favour. It is not a favour. It is a working relationship. Yes, you are soliciting for work, but you have a right to be addressed with some respect and kindness. All that ORDER to come to site or forget the job is not necessary. It is a tell-tale sign of a tortuous job and a potentially difficult client going forward. And there are difficult clients out there. I speak as a client.

#3. ALWAYS ask for a mobilization fee BEFORE moving to site. This is standard and good practice. Any client that argues with this na bad market. Move on. I have said previously in researching the client you should ask for their name. If you ask for a mobilization fee and they agreed, make sure payment is by bank transfer and that the payment account details match with the name the client told you. If the bank details don't match for some reason (maybe the client is abroad and they don't have a Nigerian bank account), ask more questions about who made the payment and ask to communicate with whoever made the payment. Your client should KNOW you in true colour and same as you.

Don't be desperate to please to land a job. On the flip side, if a client asked you to come to a site that is so far away for investigation or consultation with a potential view of awarding you the job, ask for a reasonable non-refundable fee in lieu of the cost of visiting the site and tell the client that this fee is non-refundable if you do not get the job eventually but if you got the job, this fee is included in the final fee.

What of if the clients said he's just a visitor and no ID on nairaland. How will you trace the client to come he is real? We are facing alot of things especially people that will call you that they got your contact on NL.

cash1115:
Is it right to ask your client to send you transport fair if the job is outside your state? I client called me to come and check a job in Edo state I wanted to know the situation of the job by asking her if its just to measure or state immediately, she said she will start as soon as we conlude, so I send her some designs and the price which she accepted, she asked when am coming and I told her 2days time which she said if I can't come the next day I should forget the job, and my wife just put to bed after all the spending I have no money left which am praying to go to bring work, I was happy when she said that. The last question I asked got her annoyed, when I asked her if I should come with my tools and my boys, she said is there anyway I will work without bringing them that if she is not ready she won't call me, I called my boys to get ready for the next day, but due to not having much cash I ran around to get 5k from someone that when I get there I will send them money to come, I got there in the evening, i calling her severally and her number wasn't going even before I left, she pick the call around 5pm when I told her am there already, that am on my way to the site, she changed everything that I didn't call her before coming so am a scam, I can't believe that, I summon courage that I should get to the site first at least I will sleep at the site till the next day I only have 100naira left when the bike man dropped me funny enough is that nothing like site around the location I started calling her she blocked my line from call and WhatsApp. I went through hell that day but thank God I survived it.

Tragedy! You suppose to request for drawings before you embark on such journey. Inspection to site these days is very risky. Contractors have to be very careful

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