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PoliticsRe: My Farm Has Been Destroyed By Fulani Cows by tpia5: 3:42pm On Jul 23, 2013
what time do you have to farm, with over 1000 topics on nairaland? huh

anyway, what do you want us to do for you, spell it out.
PoliticsRe: The Moral Question On Age Of Maturity by tpia5: 3:37pm On Jul 23, 2013
[quote author=Dudu_Negro]Tpia,

I doubt many of the respondents gave deep thought to the issue before they started responding. There is this assumption or perharps a stereotypes that anytime a underage girl is married the suitor is always an older man and that its a Northerner. There are legitimate marriages between 15, 16, 17yr old girls and boys their age bracket and this must not be outlawed.

Changing the provisions of the constitution might regrettably remove that option for young suitors.

The response from this Senator from Akure showed that he did not understand the constitution he voted in favor of and even after the outcry from oppoaition he still did not understand it when he gave the apology.
Shame on LP![/quote]actually, the senator understood more than people know.
PoliticsRe: The Moral Question On Age Of Maturity by tpia5: 3:36pm On Jul 23, 2013
I doubt many of the respondents gave deep thought to the issue before they started responding. There is this assumption or perharps a stereotypes that anytime a underage girl is married the suitor is always an older man and that its a Northerner. There are legitimate marriages between 15, 16, 17yr old girls and boys their age bracket and this must not be outlawed.

Changing the provisions of the constitution might regrettably remove that option for young suitors.
^ that used to be the case in ancient times, but nowadays its relatively rare to see females marrying at such young ages.

besides, any girl who is married off like that, would preclude the possibility of her going to school.

likewise for the boy, very few teenagers have the financial ability to cope with a family, not to mention they're still kids at that age.

in nigeria, not sure what the legal definition of a minor is, but a teenager is still a minor and as such, cant make decisions that would be binding like an adult.

if any such marriage occurs, it would have to be without legal backing, maybe a traditional or familial one if present.
PoliticsRe: Senator Akinyelure Denies Voting For Under-age Marriage by tpia5: 3:31pm On Jul 23, 2013
fujirice: I know this house of reps member in one of the state house of assembly down here, this woman knows nada as in absolutely NADA but she was forced on her people by the then governor. Her own is to raise her hand when others(majority of people in the house) are raising and keeps it down when FEW people raised theirs. She's still in that house to date making laws for my people.........its just too sad!
and she's different from the average nler or average nigerian how? huh
PoliticsRe: Gov. Okorocha Reward Sister As The Best Overall Special Adviser In His Cabinet by tpia5: 3:30pm On Jul 23, 2013
where is the one who was abusing her cousins in family section.

come and see your fellow human, how he dey do him own.
Music/RadioRe: Lyrics of Nigerian and Foreign Songs Compared by tpia5: 3:26pm On Jul 23, 2013
are wizkid and davido the only musicians in nigeria?

why were their lyrics the only ones quoted?
PoliticsRe: The Moral Question On Age Of Maturity by tpia5: 3:24pm On Jul 23, 2013
the clause in question has been part of the Nigerian constitution before now, but nobody made noise about it.

in the decades or centuries its been there, how many of the people shouting know anyone who is underage and married?

those things have been unheard of for generations.

I'm more concerned about the 9 year old boy who "married" a 75 year old woman in some african country- nairalanders were on the thread but mostly voiced approval.

is that not madness.
IslamRe: My Landlord Says My Girlfriend Should Not Visit During Ramadam by tpia5: 2:40am On Jul 23, 2013
BTW lest the Christians attribute drop in crime rates to the idea that muslims constitute the bulk of criminals
we should remember that crime rate rises close to Christmas
a cycle.
PoliticsRe: Senators Who Voted To Legalise Underage Marriage. by tpia5: 2:32am On Jul 23, 2013
The clause that is really causing this unnecessary hullabaloo is Section 29 (4) (b). That clause has always been part of our laws, but the Senate moved to remove it as infringing on child’s right by making every married woman an adult.
we need to know who originally inserted that clause there.
PoliticsRe: Sw Senator Betrays The North by tpia5: 2:26am On Jul 23, 2013
who are the people abusing their father's age mate here?

e l'agba nle sha, awon born throway.
PoliticsRe: Ondo Senator Apologises For Supporting Child-Marriage Bill by tpia5: 2:25am On Jul 23, 2013
the only question i have for him is, why is his polytechnic situated in sango otta and not ondo state?

are there any branches or satellite campuses in ondo state?
PoliticsRe: Ondo Senator Apologises For Supporting Child-Marriage Bill by tpia5: 2:23am On Jul 23, 2013
Rhea: [size=18pt]
We don't need your apologies. Kindly tender your resignation. That is the first step to reclaiming your honour.[/size]
if he goes, they all go.
PoliticsRe: Sw Senator Betrays The North by tpia5: 2:22am On Jul 23, 2013
so, if he and the edo senator had not voted no, the house would have been split along ethnic north vs south lines, and we would have had another ph embroglio.

na wa for nairalanders and their tiny, war filled brains.
PoliticsRe: Senator Akinyelure Denies Voting For Under-age Marriage by tpia5: 2:16am On Jul 23, 2013
the constitution is currently being amended and rights groups have called for the deletion of subsection 4b.
which rights groups are those.
PoliticsRe: Senator Akinyelure Denies Voting For Under-age Marriage by tpia5: 2:16am On Jul 23, 2013
naptu2: The 1979 constitution did not contain provisions for renunciation of citizenship. During constitutional review debates in 1979 Aminu Kano (the leader of the PRP) felt that the age of 18 years used in subsection 4a was an arbitrary western concept of maturity. The legislators in 1979 at the time agreed with the PRP argument and subsection 4b was included.

That section has been in the constitution since then. It reads thus (I've also included subsection 4):

29. (1) Any citizen of Nigeria of full age who wishes to renounce his Nigerian citizenship shall make a declaration in the prescribed manner for the renunciation.

(4) For the purposes of subsection (1) of this section.

(a) "full age" means the age of eighteen years and above;

(b) any woman who is married shall be deemed to be of full age.


The constitution is currently being amended and rights groups have called for the deletion of subsection 4b.

You need 2/3rds majority of votes in the senate, house of representatives and 2/3rds of all the state houses of assembly in order to amend the constitution.

2/3rds of the senators present at that time = 73 votes. The senate voted and more than 73 senators voted that 4b should be deleted. The senate moved on to other clauses.

A while later, Senator Yerima raised a point of order that subsection 4b cannot be deleted because deleting it is against islamic law. He stated that in islam, a woman is deemed to be of full age once she has gotten married. The Senate President, David Mark, reminded Yerima that the Senate has a tradition that it does not re-visit a clause once it has been voted on, but Senator Yerima continued to protest.

Eventually the Senate President agreed to hold a second vote. This time 60 senators voted that the subsection should be removed, while 35 voted that it should not be removed. They couldn't get 2/3rds majority.

Section 4b stands.


I wonder why Mark agreed to hold a second vote.


Some have said that the ambiguity in section 4b could lead to the legalisation of marriages of people under the age of 18. However, others argue that it won't because, according to the Child Rights Act, it is illegal to marry anyone below the age of 18. The marriage would be illegal at the time it is being contracted, while section 4b deals with a woman that is already married. But note that the Child Rights Act has only been domesticated in 24 states.
PoliticsRe: 17 Senior Advocates Of Nigeria (SANs) Named by tpia5: 1:33am On Jul 23, 2013
his interview:

You schooled in the South-West and you stood out, what is the magic behind it?

I think then you needed to stand out on merit. People are not interested where you came from as long as they perceived you are the right person for anything. Let me give you another example.

When I applied to Unilag, I didn’t know anybody at Unilag, I took my result to the faculty and submitted my application and within four days I was admitted. I didn’t talk to anybody, I didn’t know anybody. That was the first time I came to Lagos in my life. I was admitted, I didn’t need to beg anybody, and they just looked at my result and admitted me and so many others. Frank Onward, who I met at Unilag on the first day, was from Rivers, he didn’t know anybody in Lagos.

Senator Effiong Bob was from Akwa Ibom, he didn’t know anybody in Lagos. The university admitted them on merit. They didn’t need to know any big man, they didn’t need to bring any letter, and they didn’t need to influence anything. When I came out for the student union election, I had a lot of people who supported me during my campaign. I also had people that had anxieties about me coming out, they said I was a bit radical and stuffs like that. They thought they were going to have problem with the student union. At the end of the day the election was done. I contested against two Yoruba chaps. One was forced to step down for the other. I still defeated the other one. Who are the people campaigning for me? A lot of them were Yoruba chaps, too.


There was nothing like tribalism, it was more of persuasion on issues. I wish Nigeria is a reflection of those days today. Even in electoral matters, you don’t need to vote for people because they are from your place or because they are from your region. You vote for people that will make your life better.
http://sunnewsonline.com/new/business/i-started-my-practice-with-two-suits-godwin-obla/
PoliticsRe: 17 Senior Advocates Of Nigeria (SANs) Named by tpia5: 1:28am On Jul 23, 2013
Celebrations as Godwin Obla becomes first Idoma SAN

There was wide jubilation across the Idoma nation during the weekend following the emergence of seasoned legal practitioner and EFCC lawyer, Godwin Obla as a Senior Advocate of Nigeria, SAN, the first person to have attained such status in Idoma land.

Obla, alongside seventeen other Nigerian lawyers, including Ms. Olufunke Aboyade, an Editor at Thisday Newspaper, the Attorney General of Enugu State, Mr. Anthony Ikechukwu Ani,were on Friday appointed as Senior Advocates of Nigeria.



The Secretary to the Legal Practitioners Privileges Committee, Mr Sunday Olorundahunsi who announced the names of the new SAN awardees, said they would be inaugurated at a latter date.

Others include; Adele Eberechi, Olumide Sofowora, Uko Udom, Suraj Sa’Eda, Anthony Anaenugwu, Joe Abrahams, Akinlolu Timothy Kehinde, Prof Lawrence Asekome Atsegbua, Biriyai Dmabo, Chukwuma-Machukwu Ume, Olalekan Fatai Yusuf, Moyosore Jubril Onigbanjo, Aliyu Maitasamu Abdullahi and Victoria Olufunmilayo Awomolo.

Prior to their emergence, they were among the 44 senior lawyers short-listed for interview for the award.
http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/07/21/celebrations-as-godwin-obla-becomes-first-idoma-san/
PoliticsRe: 17 Senior Advocates Of Nigeria (SANs) Named by tpia5: 1:26am On Jul 23, 2013
Marotzke: You may wish to restrict yourself to Yoruba or Acn comments . On Igbo names, when ever you see Ana , the person most probably is from Anambra state, as in Anthony Anaenugwu from Enugwukwu in Anambra state. Ani is predominant in Enugu state. Ikechukwu Ani , Attorney general Enugu state. Ala probably is from Imo or Abi state . Alagboso, Alajemba etc.
you were nowhere to be found when i initially asked for the states of origin however!

perhaps fear of the big mouths on the thread did not let you post then?

However, thanks for the info!
PoliticsRe: Senator Akinyelure Denies Voting For Under-age Marriage by tpia5: 1:25am On Jul 23, 2013
superior1: Senator sir, I think you need a psychiatry evaluation urgently.

You mean there is nothing wrong in declaring a married 13 year old baby wise enough to renounce her citizenship?? Ode!!!
sir, who is the married 13 year old you're referring to here?

let me quote the section of the nigerian constitution that addresses naturalization eligibility:


27. (1) Subject to the provisions of section 28 of this Constitution, any person who is qualified in accordance with the provisions of this section may apply to the President for the same of a certificate of naturalisation.
(2) No person shall be qualified to apply for the grant of a certificate or naturalisation, unless he satisfies the President that -

(a) he is a person of full age and capacity;

(b) he is a person of good character;

(c) he has shown a clear intention of his desire to be domiciled in Nigeria;

(d) he is, in the opinion of the Governor of the State where he is or he proposes to be resident, acceptable to the local community in which he is to live permanently, and has been assimilated into the way of life of Nigerians in that part of the Federation;

(e) he is a person who has made or is capable of making useful contribution to the advancement; progress and well-being of Nigeria;

(f) he has taken the Oath of Allegiance prescribed in the Seventh Schedule to this Constitution; and

(g) he has, immediately preceding the date of his application, either-

(i) resided in Nigeria for a continuous period of fifteen years; or

(ii) resided in Nigeria continuously for a period of twelve months, and during the period of twenty years immediately preceding that period of twelve months has resided in Nigeria for periods amounting in the aggregate to not less than fifteen years
kindly note the bolded!
FamilyRe: Meet The 35 Nigerian Senators Who Voted In Favour Of Underage Marriage [photos] by tpia5: 10:58pm On Jul 22, 2013
the clause has been in the constitution since before 1999.

ask whoever put it there, why they did so.
CelebritiesRe: Sunmbo Ajaba Weds Pastor David Adeoye by tpia5: 10:54pm On Jul 22, 2013
[quote author=life_style]be careful with what you say to your self..[/quote]must she marry a pastor?
PoliticsRe: Senators Who Voted To Legalise Underage Marriage. by tpia5: 10:51pm On Jul 22, 2013
UNDERAGE MARRIAGE WAS LEGALIZED IN NIGERIA PRIOR TO THESE SENATORS VOTING ON IT.

SECTION 29 (4)(b) is part OF THE 1999 CONSTITUTION.

WHO PUT IT THERE, THIS IS 2013 AND PEOPLE DECIDED TO MAKE NOISE OVER A CLAUSE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENT SINCE PRE-1999?


SOMEBODY TRANSLATE FOR ME, THANKS.
PoliticsRe: Ondo Senator Apologises For Supporting Child-Marriage Bill by tpia5: 10:48pm On Jul 22, 2013
Past constitutions

Colonial era (1914–1960)

Nigeria's first constitutions were enacted by order in council during the colonial era, when the country was administered as a Crown Colony. The constitutions enacted during this period were those of 1913 (which came into effect on 1 January 1914), 1922, 1946, 1951 (the Macpherson constitution), and 1954 (the Lyttelton constitution).
Independence constitution (1960)

Nigeria's first constitution as a sovereign state was enacted by a British order in council so as to come into force immediately upon independence, on 1 October 1960. Under this constitution Nigeria retained Queen Elizabeth II as titular head of state.


1963 constitution (First Republic)

Independent Nigeria's second constitution established the country as a federal republic. It came into force on 1 October 1963 (Nigeria's third anniversary as an independent nation). The 1963 constitution, which was based on the Westminster system, continued in operation until a military coup in 1966 overthrew Nigeria's democratic institutions.
1979 constitution (Second Republic)

The 1979 constitution, which brought in the Second Republic, abandoned the Westminster system in favour of an American-style presidential system, with a directly-elected executive. To avoid the pitfalls of the First Republic, the constitution mandated that political parties and cabinet positions reflect the "federal character" of the nation: political parties were required to be registered in at least two-thirds of the states, and each state had to have at least one member of the cabinet from it.

1993 constitution (Third Republic)
The 1993 constitution was intended to see the return of democratic rule to Nigeria with the establishment of a Third Republic, but was never fully implemented, and the military resumed power until 1999.

1999 constitution (Fourth Republic)
The 1999 constitution restored democratic rule to Nigeria, and remains in force today.

In January 2011, two amendments of the 1999 constitution were signed by President Goodluck Jonathan, the first modifications since the document came into use in 1999.
PoliticsRe: Ondo Senator Apologises For Supporting Child-Marriage Bill by tpia5: 10:46pm On Jul 22, 2013
this section of the bill has been in the nigerian constitution long before now.

some senators voted to remove it [did they just see it there?], while others voted to leave it as is.

the question remains, who first suggested it be removed and what was his reason.

lets get to the root of this.
PoliticsRe: Senators Who Voted To Legalise Underage Marriage. by tpia5: 10:42pm On Jul 22, 2013
[quote author=sweet_gala]^^ I have read valid points from the other legal practitioners and yes there is no immediately obvious link between that particular clause and under age marriage. But it exist a loophole which grants yerima authority and legal shelter. His now 17 year old Egyptian bride is considered an adult(she has been entitled to the rights to vote as every other Nigerian adult since the age of 13)
This loophole would allow paedophiles to buy children and marry them in pervert friendly havens outside Nigeria and bring them to nigeria where they exist as adults.[/quote]his bride did not become nigerian through her marriage, unless there's something i'm missing here.

how did the law apply to her?
PoliticsRe: Senators Who Voted To Legalise Underage Marriage. by tpia5: 10:34pm On Jul 22, 2013
the clause under discussion:

29. (1) Any citizen of Nigeria of full age who wishes to renounce his Nigerian citizenship shall make a declaration in the prescribed manner for the renunciation.

(2) The President shall cause the declaration made under subsection (1) of this section to be registered and upon such registration, the person who made the declaration shall cease to be a citizen of Nigeria.

(3) The President may withhold the registration of any declaration made under subsection (1) of this section if-
(a) the declaration is made during any war in which Nigeria is physically involved; or
(b) in his opinion, it is otherwise contrary to public policy.

(4) For the purposes of subsection (1) of this section.

(a) "full age" means the age of eighteen years and above;

(b) any woman who is married shall be deemed to be of full age.
who put section 4(b) there?

and how long has it been there?
PoliticsRe: Senators Who Voted To Legalise Underage Marriage. by tpia5: 10:32pm On Jul 22, 2013
ie via the legal route, not the oluwole one where you just get a passport even if you've never set foot in africa.
PoliticsRe: Senators Who Voted To Legalise Underage Marriage. by tpia5: 10:31pm On Jul 22, 2013
requirements for nigerian citizenship applicable to non-nigerians:

7. (1) Subject to the provisions of section 28 of this Constitution, any person who is qualified in accordance with the provisions of this section may apply to the President for the same of a certificate of naturalisation.
(2) No person shall be qualified to apply for the grant of a certificate or naturalisation, unless he satisfies the President that -

(a) he is a person of full age and capacity;

(b) he is a person of good character;

(c) he has shown a clear intention of his desire to be domiciled in Nigeria;

(d) he is, in the opinion of the Governor of the State where he is or he proposes to be resident, acceptable to the local community in which he is to live permanently, and has been assimilated into the way of life of Nigerians in that part of the Federation;

(e) he is a person who has made or is capable of making useful contribution to the advancement; progress and well-being of Nigeria;

(f) he has taken the Oath of Allegiance prescribed in the Seventh Schedule to this Constitution; and

(g) he has, immediately preceding the date of his application, either-

(i) resided in Nigeria for a continuous period of fifteen years; or

(ii) resided in Nigeria continuously for a period of twelve months, and during the period of twenty years immediately preceding that period of twelve months has resided in Nigeria for periods amounting in the aggregate to not less than fifteen years
.
PoliticsRe: Senators Who Voted To Legalise Underage Marriage. by tpia5: 10:29pm On Jul 22, 2013
The section up for amendment had to do with persons qualified to renounce Nigerian citizenship. The constitution in Section 29 says anyone of age can do so. Section 29(4) (b) says that ” any woman who is married shall be deemed to be of full age.” It means that even a child if married can be seen to be of full age and as such can renounce citizenship. The committee proposed that that provision be deleted.

When it was put to vote, 2/3 of members present voted for it which meant it was deleted. But, not so fast.

Enter Senator Ahmed Yerima of Zamfara, the controversial former governor of Zamfara who tried to stoke religious sentiments. He said it was against Islamic law. Yerima got married to a teenager a few years ago, and going by the provision, the girl who is still not 18 cannot be said to be of age.
1. The section under discussion was in the constitution long before now, right?

2. Why did nobody notice it before?

3. So, they were voting to remove that particular amendment- may I ask who put it there to begin with?

4. In that case, the senators who voted to allow it to remain, were not doing anything out of the ordinary per se, if that clause had been there prior to that session.

5. I'm not too clear on how the clause applies to Sen Yerima since his bride is not nigerian. Nigeria does not confer fast tracked citizenship by marriage like countries in the west do. It takes a longer time, often decades.
PoliticsRe: Senators Who Voted To Legalise Underage Marriage. by tpia5: 10:11pm On Jul 22, 2013
The section up for amendment had to do with persons qualified to renounce Nigerian citizenship. The constitution in Section 29 says anyone of age can do so. Section 29(4) (b) says that ” any woman who is married shall be deemed to be of full age.” It means that even a child if married can be seen to be of full age and as such can renounce citizenship. The committee proposed that that provision be deleted.
why was this bill being discussed to begin with?

which person or persons want to renounce their citizenship, and why did the matter have to be debated in senate?

i think there are clear procedures in place for people who want to renounce citizenship, what led to the matter being brought up now?
PoliticsRe: Ondo Senator Apologises For Supporting Child-Marriage Bill by tpia5: 9:29pm On Jul 22, 2013
where is the full transcript of that particular session?

sounds like a set up imo.

the ones who refrained from voting, why did they do so?
IslamRe: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by tpia5: 9:20pm On Jul 22, 2013
Sissie: That is not the only way to stay within limits, and people don't always get sucked right back in.
It depends on our iman and determination, telling someone to cut off communications with someone he feels emotional connected too isn't always easy. It takes a personal commitment, fear of Allah and iman.

I have been there too.

Communications can be cut to normal within limits.
Except if they can't cope with it and stay within limits then they should cut off completely.
they can always meet in the presence of chaperones i should think.

completely cutting off in that manner seems more like they're breaking up and likely will just marry other people in future.

not sure a woman should wait, in such a scenario, else imo she may end up still waiting while the man hasnt.

i could be wrong of course.

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