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Maynmann:
Justice is doing one own job.
You are not a heart surgeon why would you do a heart surgery on me?
I want a heart surgeon to do a surgery on me not someone that pretends to be one.

Eating when hungry, sleeping when sleepy, and drinking when thirsty—natural bodily functions.
I wonder who taught my heart how to beat

He doesn't know the difference between natural body functions and acquired skills.

budaatum:
And the time I spent reading them too I suppose. Curing ignorance is after all not free.

Your brain is filled with crap ,pseudocscience that has distorted your reality .

All caused by Amorc brainwashing .

budaatum:
Thankfully, he never got my money since all his books are available free.

Nothing is free . There is always a price to pay.

You paid for those ones through the data you used in downloading them.. Those are even for the uninitiated. The others are not meant for the public .

You think you are talking to a novice or neophyte has you call it there .

And you still continue to pay membership dues in dollars so that the Amorc great white brotherhood , that you have been brainwashed with, will continue to protect you..

The same thing .

You are not smart .

A001:
Interesting. About the highlighted: are you talking from experience; perhaps, you've used a similar tactic before?

And why not that it was used on me, and I
learnt from the experience .

Or you think everyone who reveals a scam tactics is also a scammer ?

A001:
What's your proof that the OP seeks to recruit new members for Amorc? I know next to nothing about this Amorc organisation.

My first impression after reading the first post on this thread is that the OP seeks to educate people about philosophy. Does learning philosophy mean one seeks to join a cult?

Cults recruit new members indirectly . I know the tactics they employ,

They bait you with something first ,and then along the way postulate you into another thing. .

Take the philosophy and enjoy ,but ensure you leave the , 'rest' 'behind .

budaatum:
Actually, it's according to the Bible, from where Jesus returned after Herod died.

Good . It means I have not lied .

You just confirmed the below

budaatum:
I merely present the evidence you left out so others can judge if you lied.

What kind of evidence ? Be specific

budaatum:
You should read more and attempt to comprehend.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Mystical_Order_Rosae_Crucis

You have been forced out of your closet and now confessing .

Amorc teachings are crap put together by the con-man Harvey Spenser Lewis to make money out of fools like you .

budaatum:
Triple. Most people have eyes and know how to use them to look and see so they don't have to believe your lies.

You have gone on the defensive .

You cannot be a judge in your own case . Allow anyone following to investigate for themselves if lie or not .

You will fail with your Amorc manipulative tactics with me . I know all about them .

budaatum:
Paul, who is widely accepted as the author of Corinthians, read a lot of philosophy, and that's why his work is worth reading.

Jesus learnt in Egypt and that's why he was so wise.

Jesus learnt in Egypt, according to the false Rosiscrucians teachings which Spenser Lewis has brainwashed you with .

There's no single evidence
anywhere to confirm that is true , yet you have believed it
like a religious sheepie and regurgitating it everywhere .

budaatum:
Pity the links in my post you posted no more work.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention so I can go update them.



Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/7726647/near-death-experience-atheist-professor/10#124066680

To update them and cover your tracks ? You hypocrite and pretender

All is out already . It's too late .

budaatum:
Says the person who sees into my closet with his so called third eye.

Lol . Grasping at straws as usual.

Your Amorc gaslighting, and manipulative tactics won't work on me. I know about them . They can only effect those who are ignorant of such devices .

Your just an hypocrite who practice sorcery in your closet and come here to pretend to be another thing.

The phrase , third eye, is figurative . It simply means extrasensory perception .

Don't fall victim

Read the full story here,
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B932_Crucian.html

budaatum:
Perhaps Nairalanders are finally ready for it.
https://www.nairaland.com/4893741/why-im-not-christian-bertrand#73682059


"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Bertrand Russelld

Which reason and science ?

The brainwashing and pseudoscience in Amorc ?

You don't know any science .Stick to what you know , magick and sorcery . That's what you do in your closet .

The mission is to get new members for your dangerous cult where pesudoscience is practiced


https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B932_Crucian.html

budaatum:
About The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC

THE ROSICRUCIAN TEACHINGS enable people to find themselves, turn their lives around, and influence the universe. We are educators, students and seekers devoted to exploring inner wisdom and the meaning of life. We offer an ancient time tested system of study and experimentation, which reveals the underlying principles of the universe. Our method offers practical tools applicable to all aspects of life.

The Rosicrucian teachings allow individuals to direct their own lives, experience inner peace and leave their mark on humanity. It is for this reason that we urge our members to remain committed to the investigation, study and practical application of all natural and spiritual laws for the attainment of Health, Happiness and Peace to the glory of God, the betterment of humanity and the evolution of the soul personality.

Download pdf copy of Mystery of Life
Nigeria Contact Details
Amorc near you

Don't be a victim of a dangerous cult .Be wary as you follow this thread . . You will struggle with your all life to get out of it.

Amorc will damaged your mind through its dangerous occuit practice .

See below and read the full story . Another victim' s account is on its way .

https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B932_Crucian.html

Any black man who is a member of Amorc is a victim of implicit racism .

See it below . That's why no blackman has ever headed that cult . They will never ever ever allow it to happen .

@budatuum this how they deceive you there with fake scientific prove . Open your eyes and free yourself

Brainwashed Amorc member who has deluded himself into thinking he is a trained scientist capable of carrying out proper scientific research that can pass the test

I should provide it for you to test .Go and test your head first . No more sense on it .

Your quoting of the Bible all the time is due to your Amorc brainwashing .

Question what you believe, before asking others to do so ,you hypocrite @budatuum.

Read the full story here
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B932_Crucian.html

budaatum:
Then simply present here the details of your tests instead of asking for anecdotes to be believed please. If one studys your evidence and finds what you found one might end up advertising it for you even if one finds no use for it oneself.

Those who care to listen to you will. I've been partially listening to you because I care too, and what I'm finding is unbelievable.

I never asked anyone to believe in anecdotes since I now they are not reliable

I only mentioned that when I used the analogy of herbal products for clarification .Analogies are never perfect . I expect you to know that .



But because you are seeking to score some cheap points , you deliberately misinterpreted all of it . You should be ashamed of your behaviour at your age .

The truth I know about my self and the human being doesn't rely on any anecdotes , and it's my prerogative to share it here or not

The information I already gave out is enough for you to work with if you really know what you are doing , but you don't .

I m not the only one who know what I know . Go search elsewhere online or even here to meet with such persons and ask for it .

You are not in a position to demand anything from me .

Morever ,you are not trained scientist who can carry out testing and experimentation under close control settings ,that is if you even know what that means because you are scientific illiterate .



And you know what , you are the greatest hypocrite and pretender right now on this furom , deceiving everyone ,not me ,that you are an atheist when you are just a zombie believer in Amorc teachings .

What you practice in your closet is what you come to deny in public to hide who you are .


Provide prove for your Rosicruciian pesudoscience .

You are in bondage and don't yet realise it. Go practice Ifa since you are Yoruba , and stop fooling yourself .

budaatum:
About The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC

THE ROSICRUCIAN TEACHINGS enable people to find themselves, turn their lives around, and influence the universe. We are educators, students and seekers devoted to exploring inner wisdom and the meaning of life. We offer an ancient time tested system of study and experimentation, which reveals the underlying principles of the universe. Our method offers practical tools applicable to all aspects of life.

The Rosicrucian teachings allow individuals to direct their own lives, experience inner peace and leave their mark on humanity. It is for this reason that we urge our members to remain committed to the investigation, study and practical application of all natural and spiritual laws for the attainment of Health, Happiness and Peace to the glory of God, the betterment of humanity and the evolution of the soul personality.

Download pdf copy of Mystery of Life
Nigeria Contact Details
Amorc near you

All of the above are empty claims whiich you cannot prove . You are in dangerous cult. Get out of it .

You started this nonsense by going to dig up something I said long ago which doesn't relate at all .

Since you want to have the last word ,I will teach you that no one wins a mud sllinging contest .

budaatum:
Well, you did ask me to 0r9ve to you that it was, do it wouldn't exactly be remise if me to assume you thought otherwise.



Your question is as senseless as asking what the source of the universe is. Hopefully, you are aware these things came into existence long before I did and any claim I may make about their source would be in the form of "dem say", which I have derided you for doing on here from the onset and so would not do so myself.

Fact however remains that consciousness, and mind, are inherent in living things which are matter, and thinking otherwise is to assume matter itself came out of thin air.

P.s. You might benefit from downloading and listening to Aristotle extensive writing on this subject.

https://archive.org/download/aristtl/Aristotle/Aristotle%20-%20Metaphysics.m4b

I sure would benefit if you do as it would bring you up to a level where you are competent to discuss the topic. Do note that more modern writings exist too, like Karl Popper for instance. Reading such books will reduce your belief in the rubbish you been spilling here, and give you insight into the relevant skills to help you determine if you think right or wrong.

Because you have a blind spot from viewing reality from a singular position alone ,you say the question is rubbish ..

The question I asked is both an existential and a little bit of a scientific one. ,a natural fallout from the conversation I was having with Reed

Theres nothing wrong or senseless in demanding to know the source of the product one is making use of . Your personal opinion is not fact .. You should know it ,and stop bluffing .

.There are no senseless questions when it comes to the issue of where life has come from and why .

But because you jumped into the conversation like a bot to enforce your nonsense opinions and usual craziness ,you could not see what you walked into , a trap ,that has now exposed you for who you are. A no nothing and half baked individual.


You need to expand your horizon so you stop thinking in black and white

Rosicruciian wrong interpretation of reality has really effected your thinking . Free yourself from that bondage . You mind is no longer yours .

Reading books is good ,but without the necessary practical experience to back them up , one's education is incomplete .

You only share links to books you have read ( II have read them too and even more ) to booster your ego ,but there's no evidence from your display here that they have helped to improve your person . You still behave like child seeking for attention .

LordReed:
There is a lot to unpack here so I might have to do it in bits. I am not really settled enough to respond to everything in one go.

This: As for the unconscious, not much is known of how it operates and what part of the brain controls what it does. Most people just assume it's the brain that controls it, and call it the non conscious part of the brain. That assumption is wrong as you shall come to see.

that seems to be the foundation of your response here might be wrong. There are findings that indicate that the subconscious is processed within the subcortical regions of the brain. You can see that here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3393600/
Admittedly that knowledge is still very far from complete, but it challenges the notion that we don't know where in the brain the subconscious is being processed.

The so called place in the brain where the subconscious is believed to be processed is simply the effects of what is going within it (,the unfathomable subconscious , )

I'm not saying it's not tied to the brain, or is it separate , but insist it has not emerged from it .

Correlation they say ,is not causation .

https://jonlieffmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/FEATURE-LIMITS-OF-iStock_000023595907XSmall.jpg

budaatum:
You should test your product before you bring it to market, Triple. Or you might arrive at the market and potential non-buyers call you fake.

I have done that and millions of others in the world who also subscribe to the same thing ,which they know is true, 'have also done the same before announcing it to whomever cares to listen .

I'm not selling anything tangible to you . If I were ,I would not ask anyone to accept or reject it .That would be self sabotage.

The herbal products analogy is not understood by you yet. Besides I put it in quotes .

You continue to forget that because you want to grasp at straws

budaatum:
Dude, I do not need to provide you with evidence that your mind is a part of your body since I am offering my subjective opinion and not some objective fact, and because it's perfectly okay with me if you don't think your mind is part of your body.

Besides, evidence is me educating you, and it's not like you paid school fees or deserve to be taught by me.

And where did I say my mind is not part of my body?

You are confused or something ?

The question is ,what is the source of the human consciousness? Matter or

Answer that if you know it, and stop twisting and turning .

budaatum:
I'm certain we can agree that you have not done anything that is described in the link you posted. And that's why we claim your so called evidence lacks credibility.

SMH. Why should I should I do so when I m not traned scientist .

I not surprised you will read the article and misinterprete it

Scientific evidence is information , but the question is ,what can of information is accepted as scientific evidence within the scientific community ,and the people capable of providing it , so one doesn't foolishly demand it from anyone .

The article provided a of set cretaria to enable one judge correctly what is scientific evidence different from any other kind of evidence that are still acceptable as valid prove of something .



I have always declared that the claims I make here are not fully supported by science ,but doesn't mean they are not true . And after saying so ,I usually provide information, evidence in support of my claims .

But because your mind cannot process them due to cognitive bias ,you erroneously think they are not valid ,and still insist I provide scientific evidence , as if you even know what that means . SMH.

Now that I have exposed your ignorance on the matter ,you are looking for where to hide your face as you usually do .

Pride and ego is why you will never accept that all along you have being mis using term by asking for scientific evidence for just about anything .

Only scientific illiterates pretending they are knowledgeable in the sciences behave
that way .

And you are one of such persons . I'm not the only one who have told you that .

Go get further education in the sciences if you like to use it all the time to interprete the worid around you so you stop fooling yourself ..

budaatum:
There's different sorts of anecdotal evidence. I've used 2 stories from my past so far as anecdotal evidence of my claim, and I don't expect you to believe nor accept my anecdotal evidence as scientific evidence for my claim because it isn't.

There is so much "scientifically proven" out there to try before you get to "proven anecdotally", Triple, though I confess that depends on the environment one is in. If one were poor and healthcare cost tons, one would need to consider the financial cost of a cure and thereby go for alternatives than more expensive proven cures for instance. I have a friend who tried alternatives. She had breast cancer and refused the scientifically proven treatments, preferring the alternative herbal treatments. She died in 3 years while a neighbour of mine survived for 25 years of the same breast cancer because she went to hospital.

"Scientifically proven" does not necessarily mean a thing has to be investigated by scientist, since any individual can investigate if a thing works themselves. We do it with all medications we take be they herbal or more rigourously tested medicines. We take them, and if we survive, they've worked. And that's us doing science, as in, using our own senses to judge a thing. If I then recommend that cure to someone else, the least I could do, if I'm the honest educated sort, is keep records of the outcomes, which is just more science, as it gives me data that I can objectively consider. That's the sort of "science" the TB Joshuas of this world don't do that makes us skeptical of their claims. At best they present anecdotal evidence. In reality they are scammers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTfKpAWkgJY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZbR5DMksDE

Nonsense .

I explained how I tried othordox medicine first , in and outside Nigeria for years . Why did you miss that part . Do you know where I went to and the money I spent ?

As for scientific proven you don't know what it really means in the sciences ,just like you don' also know what is scientific theory.

I saw how you displayed your ignorance in another thread concerning that .

Meet with a real scientist to teach you, one on one, what both really means ,and stop depending on what you read on Wikipedia.

What is scientific evidence ,

https://theconversation.com/scientific-evidence-what-is-it-and-how-can-we-trust-it-14716

budaatum:
Yes, Triple, if matter means physical substance in general, which occupies space and possesses rest mass, and despite my hesitance at the word, "emerge".

Mind and consciousness are inherent in living things (as opposed to your "emerged" ), which are matter because they have physical substance which occupies space and possesses rest mass.

That is not to say all physical substance which occupies space and possesses rest mass has a mind and or consciousness as one would note from observing a rock.

[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind%E2%80%93body_problem]Here's a link[/url] to some reading explaining how the mind and body (matter) are interlinked. It should get you up to speed.

Good .
Then provide evidence in support of your ,yes,

It must be peer reviewed ,not wikipedia articles which contains soeculatory theories .

triplechoice:
[b]So once again ,tell us ,based on what you know, has mind or consciousness emerged from matter ? Yes or no.

The last time you refused to answer and I hope you don't do so again.

And if you don't answer directly this time ,then it means you are engaged in deceptive arguments .


You cannot argue strongly for and against something at the same time . Only a confused person would act that way and end up contradicting himself along the way .

. [/b



You cant deceive me Buda.. Tell us where you stand and stop hiding behind Lordreed .Use your own brain to think and share your own thoughts first, before sharing wikipedia articles in support .

That's how it's done .

@ budaatum, you have started to deflect again . Just answer the question first ,then will gladly respond to you mentions .

Where do you stand . Has mind emerged from matter .? Yes or no

Lordreed and others have stood for something and been defendiing it .

You cannot deceive me with your chameleonic antics

budaatum:
Triple, let us not rely on guess work. Gods forbid, but if you fall ill I am guessing you will not go to a herbalist for a herbal remedy that is not scientifically proven unless you are broke and poor. Tell me you wouldn't go to a scientifically trained medical doctor instead.

I admit it's anecdotal evidence and not reliable, and that is why added until scientifically proven , to make you understand my position on it. .

If you cannot find what is scientifically proven , you can try the one's proven anecdotally ,to work ,pending the time it will properly investigated by scientist who may end up after all confirming it's good . If they say it's not good or toixc ,then abandoned it.

Even in the sciences ,people are sometimes adviced to stop using a particular medication once further test proves it's harmful or can cause adverse side effects .



Most discoveries in the sciences are inspired by anecdotal evidence .

I know you don't know this , hence the reason you have regurgitated what you read online about anecdotal evidence , without giving a thought to at all to how it can be helpful .

I'm afraid you are displaying extremist thinking , Buda.

budaatum:
Triple, let us not rely on guess work. Gods forbid, but if you fall ill I am guessing you will not go to a herbalist for a herbal remedy that is not scientifically proven unless you are broke and poor. Tell me you wouldn't go to a scientifically trained medical doctor instead.

If orthodox medicine cant treat it ,you look for a good alternative to save your life if you value it .

Some people who find themselves in a situation like that have done so and got cured .

I once found my self ,in such a situation .

And after four years within and outside Nigeria meeting with different doctors running tests of different kinds ,medications ,in both tablets and injections ,It was easily cured using an alternative ,not yet proven scientifically , at a cost of only 2 thousand naira .

I went for text after and nothing is showing again .

It has been over 8 years now ,not repeat of those hellish times .

So I learnt something , if I exhaust all the things main stream science can provide for me through doctors and nurses ,and don't find solution ,then I look elsewhere . It has simple that.

This is what I do now . How you choose to live your life depends on you . I can only share my experiences for others to learn from . It's your prerogative to accept or reject . .



All of that aside ,what we are currently discussing is a deviation from the actual conversation I was having with Reed , and it's because you went off on a tangent .


The main focus is , did consciousness or mind emerged from brain or matter , I said no, and
have given my own reasons, which some other people around the world also accept and agree to.

But you , have never for once answered the question to enable one know where you stand on the matter .

So once again ,tell us ,based on what you know, has mind or consciousness emerged from matter ? Yes or no.

The last time you refused to answer and I hope you don't do so again.

And if you don't answer directly this time ,then it means you are engaged in deceptive arguments .


You cannot argue strongly for and against something at the same time . Only a confused person would act that way and end up contradicting himself along the way .

And that's what has happened to you when you suggested ignorantly that the brain is what causes precognition .

No neuroscientist has ever affirmed that the brain is responsible for precognition .What they normally say is either we don't know or it's concindence or chance .

The reason they say so is because of the knowledge of the natural laws which controls the functioning of the human brain ;

mind, according to science ,cannot separate from the brain to make one have an external visual awareness of something A.K.A OBE..

Mind should not be confused for consciousness ,the real person, inhabiting a physical body and using it to experience live materially .

Precognition is a kind of OBE where the individuals consciousness expand beyond the confines of the physical body and the brain, to perceive events in the future time track to know what is to come . It can happen in the dream or waking state . Most people only know of the latter and conclude based on that, it's just a dream . One can experince precognition with one' s eyes wide open ,with what is seen, viewed in one's inner mental screen like a movie ..

The brain cannot make this happen due to its limitations . There's a limit to which it can preceives anything . The knowledge of how the brain works is why neuroscience says precognition is not possible from a scientific point of view, and have been coming up with all manner of speculatory theories to explain it away,yet everyday in different parts of the world people continue to have the experience. It's a case of seeing the evidence and denying it.

But however ,the honest one's who are not in denial ,will simply say we don't know, or it can't be explained . That ends the matter .

But you buda, who is ignorant of all of the science behind how the human brain works has suggested ignorantly and naively, it's the brain . Just go and prove it then ,and earn a nobel prize in the sciences . Goodluck

If you going to reply to this ,first of all state your position ,without which the conversation has ended .

I don't have the time to discuss with someone who maintains an ambivalent position on something being discussed . That's the typical behaviour of a deceptive and dishonesty argumentator who wants to talk frolm both sides of the mouth to avoid being pinned down on anything he cannot defend .

You cant deceive me Buda.. Tell us where you stand and stop hiding behind Lordreed .Use your own brain to think and share your own thoughts first, before sharing wikipedia articles in support .

That's how it's done .

budaatum:
You should at least be sufficiently "properly trained to carry out scientific research concerning the things" you plan to sell to the public don't you think? Most societies have their NAFDAC to ensure not properly trained you don't sell your untested snake skin oil to the public.

See d kind person I dey argue with . Chai.

Not everyone can do so doesn't mean some people aren't doing that or have done so in their own way . People can use a product base on anecdotal evidence pending the time it would be scientifically proven .

And how do you know if I have not done my own reseaech concerning the things I know?

These are natural abilities people are born with ,and can be also developed if you know how . So don't get it twisted with something external to the individual . I have put herbal products in quotes, in my recent reply ,and again you were blind to it .

. Scientist use the placebo effects in drug trials ,even when they don't yet know why the brain makes it work . Why dont you go ask them to stop using it since it's not yet scientifically proven .

Not everything people use and consume has been validated by main stream scientists . Some of it would probably be investigated later, others not ever

And as they usually say around here , know that ,and know peace .

If you want to know how to have precognitive dreams , learn to meditate and write down dreams . Do this stop and stop being an extremely cynical person who doubts everything unless proven to them .

With that ,you will have your own prove and stop bothering me .

Too much of everything is bad . It's good to be sceptical , but too much of it according to trained pyschologist is bad for ones mental health which may lead to poor decision making .

There are studies on this if you check the net


Good day .