₦airaland Forum

Zoolezoo:
I can say the same about Nupe that is not even a "super tribe" and conclude that the Dibos are not nupe, the Kakandas are not Nupe, Kupas aren't Nupe as well, Gupa, etc. Because all these groups have their different peculiarities.
So you see.

I agree with your assertion. But the question is why are Yoruba sub-groups always added to the Yoruba nation, but that of the Nupes is being deliberately relegated, from the colonial daysdays to this present day?

realjoker:
Jebba is 100% Yoruba ancient city, its ownership is not under contention, It border the Nupes who has a cordial relationship with the people of jebba and Yorubas in general predating colonial era.

If it is a Yoruba town 100%, how come it had the name "Jebba". Do you mind explaining its etymology?

realjoker:
Jebba is 100% Yoruba ancient city, its ownership is not under contention, It border the Nupes who has a cordial relationship with the people of jebba and Yorubas in general predating colonial era.

If it is a Yoruba town 100%, how come it had the name "Jebba". Do you mind explaining its etymology?

Markfemi2:
So the northern reference you sent is international lool uncle pls try again later

I have other ones too if you want. However, I'm interested in the books "that pre-dates Lugard's" which you claim to possess. Send them.

Markfemi2:
Just one war
To checkmate Fulani expansion
No territory was lost
Ilorin was not lost in war rather Alimi betrayed afonja hence only one town gone while the remaining 29 towns have oba

You've just shot yourself with a Double-barrel gun I aksed you about the Kanuri-Yoruba coalition. But you are referring to the Alimi-Afonja historical saga.

Please refer back to the earlier discourse, and answer the questions posed there.

Markfemi2:
Yoruba was by kanuri not British ! As we have fought wars together stop dropping false info

Source, Source, Source.

How many wars did the duo fought together?
Who was the Aare on Kakanfo then?
Which tribe was the war waged against?
Which prominent territory was gained or lost.
Provide your sources to back your argument.

This is getting interesting

Markfemi2:
I have books written by foreign scholars and even mongo park that pre dates lord Lugard
Everything your presenting as evidence so far as been discredited

Can you kindly send them. I'm more interested in Mungo Park's book.

So far you are not a scholar with international publications that have been popularly cited in reference to this subject matter, the best you can do is counter-argue with your own facts. Thanks.

Once again, I implore you to send at least 3 (Mungo Park's inclusive).

Zoolezoo:
Yoruba race was not created out of "Thin air"
There were strong sociolinguistic factors and ethno cultural elements that determined what clans were Yoruba and what clans were not.
Okene to Kabba or Akoko land inOndo state is less than 20 minutes on keke, yet the colonial masters did not label the Egbiras as Yoruba.

Even the name "Yoruba" is a British invention to join various ethnicities with similar cultures and linguistic similarities together. The same applies to the other "Super-tribes".

Markfemi2:
This your point defines logic is lokoja and other towns not on that list ?
Does that mean nupe owns lokoja ?
And lokoja get emir why Jebba no get
Even ilorin that was lost has emir

Sir you need to a crash course in history.

Send your email, and I would send you a very detailed source. It is a book published in 1942. The forward was written by Lugard himself. It is almost 500 pages. Once you are through with it, I would send other reaources to you. But for now we are done with this argument. If you need additonal material, notify me.

Markfemi2:
Having a huge population of nupe doesn't make Jebba a nupe town and I used festac as an example nupe are also plenty in ifelodun,egbe, omo Aran they are called TAPA
You have not provided evidence
I have shown you list of oba
You can't even show one nupe king or emir
What you typed is what people call HEAVY WIND

We are still running in circles here.

Jebba was originally founded as a Nupe settlement and had remained so right unto Colonial times. But in the immediate post-Colonial era, after the White man singularly created a Yoruba race out of thin air... (Abdullahi and Ndace, nd).

Excerpt from "the Makers of Nupe"

Zoolezoo:
Kwaran Jebba is NOT in Moro, it is in Ifelodun.
Yoruba is what they speak, Nupe migrants there from across the Niger and from Edu speak Nupe or both.
The Pako-Jebba (Kwara side) are Yorubas and speak Yoruba.

Update:
Jebba is in Moro LGA. Yoruba is not the only language the speak. The perspective I'm coming from is that Jebba is traditionally a Nupe town. Obviously, the world is becoming very diverse, and Jebba is not ab exception.

Markfemi2:
Are we clamouring for Niger?
I have been to Jebba and climbed the mountain
The people speak full fledged Yorubas
And the nupes usually come begging from Niger state

Point to resources that claim how Jebba is nupe
You did cipy and paste from Britannia and added grammar without evidence lol

Did you spent at up to two weeks to explore

Below is a screenshot form Yahaya (2003):

Markfemi2:
Mr man your only typing big grammar
The igbos are majority in festac axis of lagos
That does not strip festac of its Yorubaness
Just how Yorubas are majority in some axis of London

Your theory of cause they are more it's not for Yoruba is baseless

Which means that you've just agreed with an earlier assertion of mine. Don't get confused sir.

I don't understand your second statement. Please, restructure.

Markfemi2:
Another far lie
Jebba, much like the majority of Nigeria, is a melting pot of culture and tribes. Adebara Dynasty is the Traditional Ruling House in Jebba.The present King remained as the fifth Oba of Jebba. The First Oba of Jebba was Adebola Adebara who reign between 1865 to 1900. 2nd King was Odaso Adebara (1901-1930), 3rd King was Oba Muhammad Ayoola Adebara (1931-1943), 4th King was (Alh) Oba Ahmadu Akanbi Adebara who lived on the throne for 60 years (1943-2003) and the present and 5th King is Oba (Alh) Abdulkadir Alabi Adebara (2003-date). The people in Jebba live in harmony, functioning peacefully. There are Jumaat mosque within and around Jebba metropolis with an appointed Imams. There are also several churches for the Christians

Let' start using other using other resouces apart from aby encyclopedia. You can see what I'm saying, the Adebara dynasty startedstarted in the late 18th century, while Jebba has been existing before that. Before I forget, please is Jebba a Yoruba word? (Prove that with all you've got). If it is not, from what language was the word derived?

Markfemi2:
Any fool can edit Britannia too
Jebba stretches from Kwara into Niger Kwara has a huge nupe population cause it's close to niger

Sure, and I still have tons of resources that still points to the fact that it is a MAJOR nupe town. The Nupes for century have occupied the Niger till this present day. I can prove that anywhere fact.

IsanluMakutu:
Yes it DOES.
And I can tell you that AUTHORITATIVELY.

First, which LGA is Jebba in?

Jebba is Moro LGA so?
A town being in an LGA dominated by an ethnic group does not strip it from its identity. Take for instance, Tsaragi is in Edu LGA and Tsare (share) is in Ifedlodun LGA but the two town are divided by a very narrow road.

AUTHORITATIVELY??
Are you an historian in any field(Anthropology, Sociology, African studies etc) or have you published books that takes talks about these two towns. Or you've only lived there for some years or at worst a decade and you depend on heresay from just abt source?

Sir, please respond accordingly thanks.

Markfemi2:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebba
Oba of Jebba is Abdulkadir Alabi Adebara (2003-date)

Any fool with a phone can write, edit and post on Wikipedia. Give me 5 academic sources and I might believe you.

aljharem:
Please who is the king in jebba

What language is spoken in jebba

What is the meaning of jebba in Hausa or any other language.

So many mumus dey this forum

Since you don't want to act civil without name calling and other disgusting act, let me school you a bit (even if you are my grand pa's age)!

Jebba is a Nupe town, and the name Jebba is an anglicized Nupe word which originally is "Ejeba" which means; a place where river/stream flows.

Check this out:

"Jebba, town, Kwara state, western Nigeria. It lies on the south bank and at the natural head of navigation of the Niger River, 550 miles (885 km) from the sea. It is populated by the predominantly Muslim Nupe people, whose kingdom, refounded by Tsoede, flourished in the region in the early 16th century. From this period date the noted Jebba bronzes. The island of Jebba in the Niger River still retains a traditional Nupe settlement."(Britannica, 2017).

The "Oba" is an invention which is a century old or less, and it is closely linked with the anti-Nupe colonial master Frederick Lugard and the capitalist Goldie of the Royal Niger Company. Though, other machinations are involved.

Before I forget, predominant language in Jebba is the NUPE language.

Sir, don't think we are all high school kids here or tribal warlords here. Peace.

9jakool:
Exactly!

Yoruba land does not include Jebba. Get your facts right sir.

TD4real:
Dear nairalanders, plz i need advice from experienced minds. I am 28 years old and have been workin in a Bank for three years ( i am fairly confortable ). But i have been under pressure by my dad to advance my studies abroad.

The issue here is that it feels i will be starting life all over again, after the MSC then what ? Come back ? Job search again?? I also have a girl friend i have been committed to and we both have been planning to settle down next yr.

I am so confused and i cant plan my future any longer. Some people have adviced that living abroad is always better than nigeria while others have said , if you are ok here why move.

Plz career experts and experinced ones should plz advice me putting into consideration my relationship commitments too.

Sir, you are an adult hence, you act based on what is right for you. Let us decipher the issue with 3 "questuon-like statement":

1. Would there be a ready job after coming back from Canada? Probably you're one of those with lots of strings to pull. If that is the case, you can proceed, if it is not? Sit diwn and enroll for a part-time masters in Nigeria or at best a DL Masters.

2. Why is your dad insisting on an MSc? If your dad is pressurizing you do bag a masters degree and you feel that it is not your next calling, you explain to him that it is not yet your priority. Except he has prepared a higher paying job for you, abd he would take care of ALL your expenses (which I strongly oppose at that age), you can advise him to bag one ( if he does not have one yet).

3. You want to settle down next year? From your response, I can see that you are in a very comfortable position to start a family. Don't delay it for any reason that is not a life threatening issue. What is the essence of fornicating around (I'm not saying you do) if you can marry and enjoy yourselves legally. Don't stretch her patience any longer. She's a woman faced with different pressures (parental, fertility etc.).

That's what I would do I were you.

"What would it profit a man to have an MSc degree without a job and a spouse?"

Think sir, think!

Mr, I believe you are old enough to make independent decisions regarding your life. Why should you still ve deliberating on such at your age, when men even at 21 are already out of their parents house.

Whenever your parent become saddened ans ask you why you want to live, kindly ask them when they left their own parents house and why.

Thanks.

Kayswat:
See this one oooo, your own matter still better now. I'm usually his hand bag to saloon every Sunday making me scrap all what's on my head and it will be as smooth as my laps
My graduate sister still had ten strokes of cane this evening cos she didn't pick his call and also didn't tell him she's gonna register her sim

What sort of abuse is that!

Until you two stand up to them, and show them you can be responsible, he would keep treating you like kids.

saudyarmani:
Bro you ain't young to marry ooo.....what I will tell you is what your parents will see while they are sitting...you cannot see even when you are standing on a 100ft ladder,they see farther than you think......

Obedience is better than sacrifice
#shalom

God forbid, what if ge does not live till the next 5 years??

dsamedaniels:
It's not about age or achievements. Of all comments @baby124 was d only person with a direct word. Both parents sees something in you that is not matured. May be ur attitude, manner of words, way of life Etc or it's seen in ur wife to be. So wait just like u av been advised. Nd u both work on urselves, to avoid d 'had I know's' in marriage.

So he should wait for 4-5 years before getting married? I trust that you are aware of new marriages of peeps in their 40 somethings crashing. Don't you think that tge loss of their "cash cow" is a reason for the deliberate delay? And by 4-5 years they would have gotten their ROI.

Parhaps, this issue is a lot deeper...

PierreDeFermat:
which multinational company would send him abroad to spear head an offshore business within 2 years? Op,you're a liar but 25 is too young to marry joor. Wait till you're at least 30. Only guys that maybe impregnate a girl are forced to marry that young

25 is too young to marry, but not too young to fornicate

doveda:
What opportunities?


What is wrong with wit you guys people sef?

God bless you sister!
Some people feel ready to carry on responsibilities EARLIER than others. Being that each individual has a their separate "ready" time, it would be too cruel to hold him down due to their perceived assumption that he is not ready.

Opportunities come marriage or not. Your lecturer's perspective is bot the general yardstick!

I plan to marry at 25, and I'm a full blooded Nigerian male.

I. I. A
Mass Communication
KWASU
2016/2017
I would prefer:
Oyo, Kano and Bauchi or Kebbi

GloryIsaac:
Nigga doesn't want to let out the entire reason why he was made to beg his bro (personally, i think its money-related or he blamed him wrongly for something, there's no proof to that though) ... Recently got admitted after triad years of writing Jamb ...

Infact, i'm actually tired of his issue, its his life to live afterall... We've advised him to ManUp and stop being a chicken or risk getting slapped by his mum even on his wedding day ..

You've tried your best, its left to him to MAN up. However, I think his parents' aggression towards him could be tied to him not securing an admission ealier, as you mentioned that they are strict.

GloryIsaac:
I feel you didnt grow up in nigeria for you to say that beating your children at any age is wrong , thats the natural way of training children in this country, even in churches pastors always make reference to "'spare the rod and spoil the child"... and you know that nigerians are highly religious, so anything pastor says is correct

My problem lies in the fact that this guy is already an adult, infact, i learnt yesterday that he was humiliated again ( this time, was made to kneel and tell his junior brother of 5 or 6 years 'sorry' after recieving some touches from his mum.. smh), though no one wants to tell me what actually happened that led to him begging his brother ....



I agree that excess physical violence leads to fear and resentment but child-beating has already been put in the sub-concious of every nigerian as the only way to train a child properly...... I remember visiting a friend when i was younger, on entering his house i saw a koboko( you know this) with 12 outlets , that's what his dad used in training his children and it made them so scared of him to the extent that immediately he heard the car horn we abandoned whatever we were doing and i was made to leave through the backdoor ....

Honestly, i doubt if anything can be done about this

Oh My God! They have succeeded in killing his self-esteem. Which right-thinking parent does that, Nigeria or not. How a 22 yr-old MAN allow himself to be physically abused to such extent baffles me. I know some people in their 20s, who still thinks it is their parents and elders God-right to beat them . That house must come down that day!!!

Is he still struggling to gain admission, or has he committed any despicable act recently.If he is through with his studies, I strongly advise that he should move out and start his "hustle" no matter how little, that my help him get his esteem back, and also look squarely into the face of anybody who wants to violate him. Abuse of any colouration should never be condoned parent or no parent.

gabazin080:
so wen one dies a mysterious death and no proper autopsy was done to determine the source of the death is why u like islam?

So if the autopsy is done, would that resurrect him?

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Kwara State University, malete has just concluded its fourth convocation ceremony on the 4th of June 2016, in line with the school's tradition of hosting it every first Saturday of the month of June.

The event which was colourfully held in the just concluded mini multi-purpose convocation arena. The event was accompanied by pomp and pagentry, and well graced by dignitaries, graduands, parents and well-wishers.

The Kwara state governor, Dr. Abdul Fatai Ahmed was not present, but was ably represented by his deputy, Mr. Peter Kishira. However, the chancellor, Professor. Ibrahim Gambari was present in company with other distinguished people.

The event marked another stride in the envious history of the university, as it witnessed the convocation of two best graduating students and 23 first class students in a set of over one thousand students.

The university has recorded some remarkable achievements, as it has been granted the proposal of establishing a national special force reserve where graduates and qualified others from across Nigeria and abroad on continued training on National Reserve that can be mobilized anytime for national assignment no matter what profession they end up doing after graduation. The first of it is kind in the country.

However, there has been some grumbles from the parents in regards to the size of the temporary convocation arena not able to accommodate then size of the attending populace.


Summary of today's event from a Kwasuite.

Lalasticlala, fynedtboi.