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truthman2012:
The essence of this thread is to prove that anything the quran says about Jesus and Christianity is a lie.

Its pointless arguing with you. Now go back and read my posts well. this time slowly. and answer my questions listed above in your next reply.

Uthman51:
Lol..he's in spirit...

Africans

Na to dey stay for delivery ward with ak47 if (future) wife wan deliver o.

provide answer to this question with biblical verse
- Who is God: Is he a human or a deity or both?
- Did God have a son or not?
- Where in the bible were the christians commanded to go to church on Sunday?
- where in the bible were you commanded to go to jerusalem for pilgrimage?
Answer to these questions any christian "intellectual"?
adullam210
truthman2012
thanks.

winner01:
They cant mix, im only being logical here. If God is not a spiritual Being, how come he isnt visible in the physical, ...the physical body is what differentiates a male from a female, what evidence is shown in the quran that spirits exists as male or female....How come sex with numerous virgins is considered a reward...seems to me the prophet was just engrossed in perversion....Or will you also say heavenly beings engage in sexual acts

What I was trying to differentiate is that God in Islam is Different from that of Christianity. Christians refer to Jesus(a.s) as God even though he is human (doesn't that flaws your notion of spirituality?) As humans on earth created in pairs(male and female). even when we die it doesn't change chapter 49:13: "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted". Allah did not state that humans would assume a Uni-Gender after death so individual souls still assumes its original gender while on earth.

The translation by Yusuf Ali

And all things have We preserved on record. (29)

"So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant you, except in Punishment." (30)

Verily for the righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the Heart's) desires; (31)

Gardens enclosed, and Grape-vines; (32)

[/b]Companions of equal age[b]; (33)

And a Cup full (to the Brim). (34)

Humans whom were fortunate to make heaven would be granted their heart desires(sex inclusive) . So if you do not believe in 'heavenly beings' having sex then it is due to yr believe and that is your own cup of tea.

I challenge all of you to provide answer to this question with biblical verse
- Who is God: Is he a human or a deity or both?
- Did God have a son or not?
- Where in the bible were the christians commanded to go to church on Sunday?
- where in the bible were you commanded to go to jerusalem for pilgrimage?
Answer to these questions any christian "intellectual"?

truthman2012:
With your unbiased mindset and a careful study of the quran, can you provide answers to the questions in the OP?

Stop tryong to distort whatever you have no knowledge of.

Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom. [Qur'an 22:52]



They call this the ‘lapse’ of Muhammad (sa) (nauzubillah). This refutation will explore the sources of the missionary argument and find out if the story holds water.


Sources of the Missionary argument

The missionaries have two major sources:

(1) Ibn Sa'd
(2) Ibn Jarir al-Tabari




It is worthy to note that the alleged story was transmitted from al-Waqidi ( Muhammad Ibn Umar ) to Ibn Sa'd who was a known fabricator of events, Imam Al-Shafi'i who was a comtemporary of al-Waqidi and knew him personally has this to say :

“Al-Waqidi is a liar.”

and also:

“In Madeenah there were seven people who used to forge chains of narration. One of them was al-Waqidi.”

Imam Ibn Hanbal says thus about al-Waqidi:

“Al-Waqidi is a liar”

Imam Bukhari who collectted and compiled the most authentic book of ahadith, Shahih Bukhari said he didn't write a single letter by Al-Waqidi. So the credibility of of the story transmitted by al-Waqidi to Ibn Sa'd is zero. Now we'll turn to al-Tabari:

Al-Tabari mentions the so-called[b] 'Satanic verses'[/b] story in his Tarikh as well as an important set of statements in the introduction of his book, which states:


Let him who examines this book of mine know that I have relied, as regards everything I mention therein which I stipulate to be described by me, solely upon what has been transmitted to me by way of reports which I cite therein and traditions which I ascribe to their narrators, to the exclusion of what may be apprehended by rational argument or deduced by the human mind, except in very few cases. This is because knowledge of the reports of men of the past and of contemporaneous views of men of the present do not reach the one who has not witnessed them nor lived in their times except through the accounts of reporters and the transmission of transmitters, to the exclusion of rational deduction and mental inference. Hence, if I mention in this book a report about some men of the past, which the reader of listener finds objectionable or worthy of censure because he can see no aspect of truth nor any factual substance therein, let him know that this is not to be attributed to us but to those who transmitted it to us and we have merely passed this on as it has been passed on to us.


( Tarikh al-Tabari: Tarikh al-Umam wal-Muluk p. 550.)


So what Al-Tabari is basically saying is that don't blame him if what he records sounds fishy, which makes this story unreal. Another element in why the story is not credible from al-Tabari is because , Karen Armstrong in her book Muahmmad [sa] devotes a whole chapter to this subject. In it she says Al-Tabari:

‘In his history Tabari preserves a tradition which gives a very different version of the story ’ (p.113)

Thus both transmitters of this story are unreliable.

Other Problems with the Story

Other than the reliability of the transmitters there are also many other problems with this story;

It is mentioned in the story that after reciting the so called 'Satanic Verses' verse 52 of Surah al-Hajj were revealed in connection with the story, but in reality Surah al-Hajj was revealed 7 or 8 years later which completeley shreads this story to piecies. It is obvious to any rational person that this story is pure fantasy and furthermore, Ibn Hisham who wrote an exahaustive biography of the prophet (sa) never mentiones this story at all.


References:
* Islamic-Awareness
* Karen Armstrong
* Other Texts
difference between Muhammad and Other prophet

a. A High-Quality Human Being

Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) is a human being, yet he is a very high-quality and eminent human being. This eminence has been recorded by The Supreme Creator and declared to us. When one looks at his life generally, it is seen in the first place that he acted in control by the Supreme Creator’s revelation, that he did not wait any remuneration for his duty, he was sincere to the utmost degree, he invited people to believe in Allah’s existence and oneness and that his aim and goal was immensely clear.

b. Protected

Allah the Glorious protected His Honorable Messenger from sins and made him an untainted and flawless being. He also protected him from all kinds of dangers which could come from people. He saved him and eliminated all kinds of complots resorted by enemies at many dangerous points when he faced death and it was impossible to escape.
He presented a clear example of coexistence in peace and with differences in community which is needed by our modern world and he shared the same city with people of different religions and beliefs.

c. His Prophethood is Universal

Yes, he is the last prophet. His prophethood is not limited to a country or a specific period of time; but his prophethood is a Universal one covering all times and places. Besides, he is the prophet of the jinn, too.
Not only people believing in him but also other people could not hide their admiration of his unsurpassable supreme character and respected this invaluable gift of the sky to the earth. For instance, Michael Hart put him in the first place in his book titled “The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History”. Great German Statesman Bismarck put his admiration of him into words as “O Muhammad (pbuh), I regret of not living in the same time with you!” and in International Law Congress in1927 showed their admiration in him by adding the following statement to the statement of result: “The humankind is proud of Hazrat Muhammad; because although he was illiterate, he developed such a great law system 13 centuries ago that we, the Europeans, would be happy if we could reach its value and truth two thousand years later.”


d His Miracles

The Lord of the Universe is a human being. However, he is a human being with a single finger pointing of whose the Moon divided into two, a human being in the palm of whose the pebbles talked, for whom the trees rooted off and walked towards saying “Salutations to you o the Messenger of Allah!”, a human being who filled up three hundred people with a few handfuls of date, in whose hands a jug of milk became abundant enough to fill lots of people, water flew through his fingers when he sank his fingers into a bowl and three hundred people took ablution with that water, for whom the log – on which he sermonized once upon a time until a pulpit was made for him – cried so loud that everybody heard it, a human being who was saluted by trees and stones on his way, who eased Ali’s pains by touching him and then Ali had never felt any pain again, besides whom the dumb children started to speak all of a sudden and said “You are the Messenger of Allah.” He was a human being, with whose touch the salty waters became mild, and whom even wild animals such as wolves and lions recognized and obeyed…
should I go on??

winner01:
I dont argue with muslims most of the time cos i have most of them as relatives........however ive discussed with some of them on the issue of 72 virgins....
God is a spirit as they also believe, and when one dies the flesh goes to dust, the soul and spirit goes to heaven.....Now the big question is since spirits exists as neither male nor female, do spirits also have sex with each other ......many of them get dumbfounded at this point.

God is "God" not a "spirit" and the Islamic God is different from what the Christian call God. (Prophet Issa).I challenge any Christian to tell me who is God according to their understanding. when we die(believe it or not) we are questioned and blessed and punished accordingly even if you buried,eaten by wild animals etc. spirits still exists and assume the gender of the deceased. I don't know of your bible preaches a "genderless" spirit but it is not present in the holy qur'an. And on the day of resurrection(at God's appointed time) humans woupd be judged according to his/her deeds. those worthy of heaven would be admitted there, vice versa. and Allah has promised the (fortunate) ones who who gets admitted into paradise what no human have heard of ,seen or their heart has concieved. so y got it wrong from where you mentioned that spirits are genderless. 'Spirts 'in Islam and Christianity is theologically different. and stop mixing christianity with Islam, they don't mix.

raphrinco:
Checked ur profile picx just now,you are not even beautiful and you cant stand the beauty of his fiancée ,if you like pull of ur underwear .U said he is ugly but u ar almost unclad becos u don't ve wat it takes to b noticed ,if u like post porns of u,no body knows u,for ur information AIRTEL PAYS HIM MILLIONS FOR ENDORSEMENT ,GO AND BE A STAR :n not on nairaland,D

oga raphrinco small small na

agarawu23:
shut up!!!
you know nothing about love and marriage

abi o. me wey be confirm naija boy. come dey kneel form one kin americano.

truthman2012:
I'm always uncomfortable seeing people believing clear LIES in the quran. Look at the OP now, how can a reasonable person believe the quran?

A reasonble person would believe in the Quran if he or she has carefull studied it without a biased mindset.

exco90:
Mheeen.. Its going to pain OP to the marrow.. For them not even making a single comment on ur topic. Eeeeeya sowie. The number u have dail is not available please try again later

Anything related to Islam always gives this "truthman" of a guy a hardon

Nigerians *sighs* easily decieved.vthat was how t.b joshua sent bottles of holy water to liberia to cure ebola without being physcally present. himself they fear . I dare any pastor to pick a random 'limbless' beggar on the street and restore his limbs then I would believe your so-called miracle. until then?

oluwatunde1984:
1cor 15 vs 52




this is to remind you that if you have not given your
life to Christ you do so today because our Lord Jesus
Christ is coming just like a thief in the night. ask
yourself and check your life if He comes now are you
going with Him?




Thanks for your time and God bless you


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Happy Sunday

this is CAREER section not RELIGION section. so you know where to go!! :- \

NaLaugh:
Too bad for Moto Moto.

He was running things in Madagascar, until he got to Gombe.


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king julien would fill in

Depends on where you come from. some region, its wrong. others acceptable. So nobody should wholly say its wrong or right, as it depends on what is acceptable to you!

otunsman:
Wetin i hate pass na that bleaching. Her green vein go turn greener,her complexion go turned coke and fanta couple with irritating stretchmarks.She go even dey denge pose join. jezzz.

I almost always lose respect for such person instantly!

Great KWASUITES, the rain semester result is out. do check your result amd finally put ypur mind at rest. all the best.

nearly all fuel station would be in for it with this new development.

spongeisback:
Barcanista!Barcanista!Barcanista! Darling are you ok?
Did the big bad policemen hurt you?

babyosisi:
And those enquiries will reveal who she slept with on campus and everywhere else?
As long as a man is not a virgin himself,the yoking is equal
Everyone has a past

what if he is a virgin?

cigaricon:
Ya I so much blieve in marrying young cos 1 u would be able to train all ur children in school before getting old hence not subjecting the eldest one under the responsibility of struggling to pay sibling's school fees and also fending for his family.
I knw of a man who married in his early ywenties, say 22 or 23 but am certain his wife is just a year younger and they have lived hapily up till their late 30s and there was no case of divorce or the husband abusing the wife, their son will be twenty one by this year and at evenings u see the man and nis son playing badminton. U will need someone who knows that family very well to convince u that one is the father of the other, u will likely mistake them for old skull buddies who are catching fun.
Talking about age and all that, there are some couples who got married in their thirties and still divorced, why ddnt their age come to play? I'm not saying. That marrying in your thirties or early fourties is bad, all I'm tryna say is that ur age is just the number of yrs u have existed on earth and doesn't determine ur level of maturity, maturity of the body is diff frm maturity of the mind so if u think u can hold a family in ur twenties fine and if u feel in ur thirties, good for u and if I want it in ur fourties, its ur choice, what matters is ur ability to hold a family.








My five shekels

well said!

[quote author=Onyiido post=34069327][/quote]point of correction SOME men not all.

coolviv:
Amitabh Bachan

thanks!

freshvine:
Thanks a million. ls he the same character that flew down from a chopper in the blockbuster :Slumdog Millionaire?

The personality the little boy went to see soaked in faeces?

no it was not him. but have forgotten the character's name.

OCHOdee:
I also loved " Love in Tokyo " was that the name of the movie?

the title is love in tokyo. the songs. very interesting. sayonara and the rest.

freshvine:
Please who remember "Disco Dancer" and the name of the lead actor

Mithun Chakraborty. nice film.

how time flies!

VickyRotex:
I apologise for my late response.

Yea, one of it is transport (higher purchase) I'm sure you know what that means

Another one, is returns. Loaned out a particular amount, and I get my interest on that money every week.

smart madam. thanks for the reply

Aminat508:
Pls stop dis, don't reply anyone that talk about Christ or not here. . Pls to avoid banned

OK. gotten.

Emmabel:
Accept Christ now and be saved

even Christ(ISSA A.S) is a muslim. so which 'Christ' you are talking about.