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RoyPCain: i am sure mintayo will sign a different tune is its a muslim parent wants his daughter who converted out of islam to come back from the custody of pastor chris or any of them christian leader.

this was the case with the ohio south asian blood girl. the civilized usa with the religious freedom did not return the minor to his bangladeshi father, while we want a grown woman to go back to a potential 'killer' who is a pastor ready to eliminate anything islam from his tribe and definitely from his blood.


incidentally, a millionaire in florida adopted his own girlfriend so that he does not pay out millions. so the grown woma, my new sister is neither a minor who needs the shelter of parents nor is she deceived or forced into islam, since it her choice, the father needs to back off. if in the west he could be arrested for harassing her at some point.

I can see the mindset of some muslims as regards this issue which i long suspect.

The sharia court at the its penultimate rulings asked the lady to look around and choose any muslim guy she wants to marry, which had long been their collective intentions and the venue they are going to. If you are using US as a reference in this case that ok. But y cant the Nigerian muslims approve same-sex (and beastiallity) marriage as being done in the US? Y cant they approve\legalize pornogra.phy as being done in the US? For the fact that an incidence or movement happened the US does not always make it morally right. Dont make refernce to the US for selfish reason. We r Africans and have a family bond no matter hw old u r.

The emir's body language is that of no wanting the issue of the girl settle cos if he does the girl would have been taken to the Niger state govt lodge as agreed by all parties in their last meeting. Remember that the CAN of Nigeria rep who went for the mediation went to the public to 'exonerate' the etsu nupe after the meeting hoping that he will hand-over the girl to the Niger state as agreed only to turn around to deny that wen they discoverd that the emir didnt accept handin over the girl as agreed.

So u need to understand the manouvre goin on in this case. The bottomline is this, it is the lady's family that are suffering cos no one will be comfortable with her daughter in the hand of a complete stranger, no one.

vedaxcool: https://www.nairaland.com/1375318/aisha-uzoechina-says-she-not


How did your father come to know about
your change of faith?
When I ran to the palace, I told you, it was
very difficult before I could see the Emir.
When I saw him, the emir refused to accept
me, because my father did not know about it.
He, therefore, collected my father’s number
from me and called him. The following day my
father came and said he wanted to see me.
When we met we talked one on one.


What did you tell him?
Well the emir told him that I have converted to
Islam. When my father talked to me, he said
let’s go home, but I refused. I told him that I
will not change my faith, because I have
already accepted Islam and this is where I
want to stay. He, therefore, threatened me so
much so that I became scared of him.


What did he do to you amounting to a
threat?
In the first place you know, I put on Hijab
(veil), he said I should remove the Hijab. He
was angry and used some harsh words on me,
directing that I should remove the Hijab, but I
refused. He threatened to take me to a village
where nobody will set his eyes on me. So I
became scared of him, therefore I refused to
follow him. That is it.


Did the emir intervene?
The emir gave him one week to come back, but
he came back even before it reached one
week. He said he must take me home. He will
not take me to our house, but he’ll take me to
somewhere that nobody will set his eyes on
me. I quickly ran back to the emir and to the
Shari’a Court for protection. I don’t want to go
back to my father, because he is threatening
me.


How did you come to know about the
Shari’a Court?
I found out from people. I went to them on my
own to formally lodge my complaint.


Why Shari’a Court?
They have to protect me. You know when you
take a case to court over life threatening
issue, the court must protect you. That is it.




Did your father come back after you
refused to follow him?
He came back. He kept on coming back. The
other time he even threatened to bring some
people to kidnap me.


Mintayo which of the above scenario i listed best capture charity situation?

Ur defense is obviosly borne out of religios sentiment. There seems to be no much collaboration bw the daughter's and the father's statement, but the issue is this, if a person's life is threaten, is it the etsu nupe's palace dat should provide protection or a govt institution?

Note that in the last mediation held on august 1st, the understanding was that the girl be kept at the Niger state govt lodge, but y did the emir refused to abide by the agreement and insisted that the sharia court granted her custody of the lady, even refused to let go the lady while she was willing to go?


The point is this, if it were an Igbo pastor who shelterd a fulani\hausa lady for so long after all plea to release the girl there would hav been serios bloodbath\riots by now. And note that it is never on record that an Igboman killed his child for converting to another religion. So the fear that she might be harmed was obviosly manufactured by the muslim community in order to keep her in their custdoy.


So as a person that understands law and morally upright, do u think morally right to keep ur daughter in the hand of an individul or govt agency if it seems her life is threatened?

DivideUs: see dis man

He is a politician na. Wat do u expect him to say?

deols: I didnt read all you wrote. I stand by what I wrote previously. The lady in question is grown up and I believe is wise enough to know what is good for her.

thenationonlineng.net/new/my-daughter-was-crying-when-we-saw-her/


I think u should read the link i posted, it is her father's account of the story.

My point is this, if someone convert to Islam, must he practice at etsu nupe's palace? I dont think u understand the bond that exist bw a daughter and a father, otherwise u wont talk this way.

If someone's life is threatened i believe the best place to seek refuge, legally and morally, is the govt house or barracks or any govt security institution.


This is purely against the law of naturally justice. Take for instance ur unmarried daughter converts to xtainity and take refuge at Pastor Adeboye's house, wil u say she should remain there while ther are many churches on the street where she can worship? Lets forget sentiment here. On the article, the father said the girl agreed to go with her only for 2 men to held her back thats only the emir that can ask her to go. That means that even Goodluck Jonathan cannot free the girl from the emir. Thats morally bad. The father even agreed to sign an under-takin that nothing will happen to her daughter, yet this is not convincin enof to let the girl go.

If anything is to go by, we can say the girl is under captivity cos she is not enjoying her freedom anymore. The only solution is to allow the girl go home and practice her Islam freely if there is nothing suspicios of the emir.

FOLYKAZE: O! ALLAH!!..,Please Kindly Touch The Hearts Of Islamic Fanatics/Jihadist In SYRIA, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, PAKISTAN, SOMALIA, NORTHERN NIGERIA (Boko-Na-Rams/Fulanis), & The Rest Of The WORLD...Please ALLAH!, Let Them Stop The NEEDLESS/SSENSELESS Killings & Spilling Of Blood..As They Come To The End Of The RAMADAN-FAST, Let It Also Be The End Of Their MALICIOUS SAVAGERY & WICKEDNESS...Amen!!!

May God answer this prayer, isha allau.

skup008: can anyone please confirm if there is public holiday in the USA today and tomorrow 08/08/2013?

What do u need the information for?

RoyPCain: @OP; A person extremely deserving death must die, otherwise evil that makes him worthy of death without mercy will be taking to be a normal act in the mind of evil people, if he is left alone without being used as a caution to those who will lean towards imitating his evil action.

Jesus of the bible is no better than John or his father Zacharias in term of the peace you expressed for him. Muhammad [sa] was not worse than Moses of Israel who was their law giver, which Jesus had to obey those laws. being armed as Jesus did is preparation for 'warring' when its is necessary. not having any arms id much better than being armed even if you dont do anything with it.

for example if i have weapon in my house, i will use it if 1 armed person burst into my house and i am aware of his coming. if on the other hand 100 killers burst into my house and i am aware of them, i will not eagerly tote my gun in front of them. my gun will be useless in this case except if i am in a mortar car with rapid multi shot gun mounted so that i can kill them all at the gate of my estate long before they have the chance to get close to the 'building'.


i will tell my wife and female members to disappear long before the 100 killers arrive so that no rap.e exist. so when Jesus didnt do anything with the swords, it is as smart as what i say that i will do when 100 of sina rambos arrive my house.


@italo; Muhammad [sa] is the master of 'current believers' in the 1 True God. Muhammad [sa] is a prophet of God and imam of prophets [as] of God.

U try. I hope u have not taken a six-year girl as a bride.

deols: If you are here to judge Islam, I have no time to respond to you. If you want to learn, you'll have to ask politely.

This case is not the usual. I am sure the lady in question wishes that her parents are Muslims and are the ones giving her out in marriage.

But if they are not and are threatening her life, it becomes important that someone else acts on their behalf. If they allow peace, there should be no reason to deny them presence at their daughter's wedding.

That someone else becomes wali can happen even if the parents are Muslims. If they wont allow her to marry a righteous man, if for any reason her being under them is a threat to her doing the right thing, someone else can be made to take their place.


So, you can stop whining already.

I dont know ur tribe or religion. But if u r a lady, will u allow another man to give u out in marriage irrespective of wat happen bw u and ur father? Minus xtainity and Islam, we Africans have culture peculiar to our society and environment. And our tradition mandate it that the father of the bride should give her daughter out in marriage. Cos the father raised\tutored the bride from childhood and he has evry right for his emotion and right be respectd on issues that bothers his children.


Besides, as regards the custody of the girl still at etsu nupe's palace, even while the sharia court has vacated the case and askd the girl to unite\settle with her family, i think it is socially and morally wrong for the girl to remain at etsu nupe's palace. No parent will approve of that, etsu nupe will never accept that.


On the issue of the girl's life being threatened, i believ it is a fear created to further create enmity in the family. If the girl's life is presumed threatend, the govt house or even military baracks should have been the most morally decent place to keep custody of the lady.


My fear is that ther might be certain things the public might knw if the girl is released to the public cos the lady will definitely relate some of her experince while at the palace.

The matter will further aggravate if the lady becomes pregnant while at etsu nupe's palace which i strongly suspect cos a man (boyfriend\manfriend) is surely acting behind the scene. Just my thinking.

While i appreciate the dude that did the taping, pple should be vry careful not to be caught by the police while recording them of duty.

This can be tantamount to suicide, especially now that there corruption has become vry vulnerable to public scrutiny.

nedu666: WHY DO SOUTHERN OR NORTHERN CHRISTAINS TAKE SO MUCH BULLSHIT, IS IT because OF THEIR RELIGION OR WHAT. CAN U IMAGINE SOUTHERERS DOING THIS UP NORTH WITHOUT DIRE CONSEQUENCE. UNTIL SOUTHERNERS START MATCHING FIRE FOR DEADLY FIRE, THIS WOULD NEVER END. THINK OF HOW THE TUTSI OVERRAN THE HUTU DESPITE HAVING LOST CLOSE TO ONE MILLION PERSON. THEY DID NOT WALLOW IN PITY, RATHER THEY FOUGHT BACK AND CHASED THE HUTUS TO CONGO ZAIRE, INVADED ZAIRE AND CHASED THEM BACK. I TELL U SOUTHERN LEADERS HAVE NO GUTS. UDAGUAN IS A DISGRAAAAACE.

The only language this othman dan fodio great grand children understands is force. They dont believe in diplomacy or the rule of law. The US and Israelis know hw to handle dem.

The only way to calm this Islamist from futa-jalon is through force. By the time u applied serios force on dem they will come to their senses. Thats y they cant try any of this in Onitsha, Owerri, aba or any place in major eastern heartland.

sbmarlon: Yes! Take her to south so she can sleep around with boyfriends and sugar daddys which will make live a happy dirty life ever after.

so u r among the pple can endorse senator yerima sleepin with a 13-yr old egyptian girl. Of course u knw dat a civilized Igbo family will never give out their daughter at dat age.

No wonder that prophet (at almost 60) married a 6-yr old girl so that she will not have a boyfriend. Tufiakwa!

LastApostle: The father of the girl and the Christian Association of Nigeria is using diplomacy and a little compromise to get their daughter out from her abductors.

Muslim fanatics in this forum please its not uhuru yet!

That spell must be broken!!!

U r right. This 'exoneration' is a pure diplomatic language meant to appease the etse nupe and the muslims for them to let go the girl.

A similar incidence happen where an Igbo-lady corp member 'falls' for a fulani cattle rearer. No amount of pleading frm the parents could convince the lady to change her mind from marrying a cattle rearer. On a vry normal day an Igbo lady will not stoop so low. Most of this pple can go as far as 'jazzing' our ladies to get them at all cost.

I hope some long-throat Igbo girls will learn frm this.

Erotex: charm things! Igbos should Neva all their daughter grow up in Hausa land. They love Igbo girls, they can kill to have them

They dont love Igbo girl. They love sleeping with dem cos it is a sort of pride and fulfilment for any of dem to date Igbo girls.

If they love Igbo girls they wont be bombing and shooting dem daily in the North, even entering churches for shooting and bombing.

I thank God that appropriate authorities have intervene at the appropriate time and have saved a lot of problem. The truth is that if her father had not fight very seriosly on dis issue, there is no way this matter would have been solve.

The girl should be allowed to choose any religion she likes but must not stay in etse nupe's house. This is a big lesson to all fathers of Igbo extraction, keep ur growing and grown-up daughters off all this long-bearded mullahs, alfas and alhajis, they just passed a bill permitting child marriage. Ur daughter might be the next victim and u may not have the muscle to fight like dis pastor.

If your daughter is of age take her down south, west, east to complete her adulthood. This core Northerner cant take their eyes off beautiful Igbo ladies. They can do anything to get them.

Garri the 1st: Interesting how Ibos are queuing up to insult Wole Soyinka because of GEJ and his moronic wife. Same Ibos who were nowhere to be found when Wole stood with Niger-Deltans on Resource control.

They were MIA when same Wole was fighting to free GEJ from his kpata and bra washing duties. AGIP-people, ready to be house-boys of Ijaws for a few crumbs..

It seems technically drawing out Igbos to start making comments on Nairaland has become a new concept. There is hardly any thread an Igbo-hater will not make mention of Igbo even if the thread is about Tom chasing Jerry. This is serios!

Drama

The fact is that this etse of Nupe is highly feared ans respected, so there is a little the police or the local community can do in this matter. The only succour the father has is a civil court. All Ndigbo should rally behind dis man and ensure he gets his daughter back even if she chooses to accept islam. This is not an isolated case but one of the cases where this alhajis with lure Igbo girls in marriage without the parents consent, even as a third wife to the alhaji. If Ndigbo do not fight the battle now, this trend will surely continue. No emir\sheik will tolerate this rubish, igbo lives would have been lost by now.
I wont be surprise if there is one rich alhaji somewhere negotiating for this girl's hand in marriage, even if the father does not approve of it. I wont be surprise if this girl carries a baby next yr. saharareporters.com/news-page/etsu-nupe-yahaya-abubakar-powerful-emir-private-torture-chamber

The fact is that this etse of Nupe is highly feared ans respected, so there is a little the police or the local community can do in this matter. The only succour the father has is a civil court. All Ndigbo should rally behind dis man and ensure he gets his daughter back even if she chooses to accept islam. This is not an isolated case but one of the cases where this alhajis with lure Igbo girls in marriage without the parents consent, even as a third wife to the alhaji. If Ndigbo do not fight the battle now, this trend will surely continue. No emir\sheik will tolerate this rubish, igbo lives would have been lost by now.
I wont be surprise if there is one rich alhaji somewhere negotiating for this girl's hand in marriage, even if the father does not approve of it. I wont be surprise if this girl carries a baby next yr.

Etsu of Nupe is not a man to be trusted at all, his history\story is not ok. Until they take the matter to a civil court, dis matter will never die down easily. Y house a girl who is not ur daughter, relation, tribe, for protection? Is there no police baracks, military baracks where this girl can be kept pending the time investigations are concluded? This pple are still employing the Mohammed's dictotarial style in dis 21 century. saharareporters.com/news-page/etsu-nupe-yahaya-abubakar-powerful-emir-private-torture-chamber

1oracle: Do you mean the same light shown to usman danfodio that made him slash the throat of my northern brothers many years ago? Or the light shown to mujahideens, jihadist, boko haram, alqaeda, hezbollah, al-shabab etc?

Yes thats the same light. The same light dat made nigerian senators (islamic senators) endorse child marriage, the same light dat approve the bombing of churches by islamist boko haram and the maitasan group, the same light that asked the prophet (at 55yrs of thereabout) to marry a six-yr old tuddler and started havinf se.x with her wen she became 9.

Truly allah has shown her the light.

loskally: The gurl is ryt....coz a typical igbo man will rather kill him self dan alow iz daughter accept islam...Igbos are so intollerance

Can u cite a single case to support ur point? Can u give a single example where an igboman kill his child for accepting islam or other religion?

Of course u knw that 'honour killing' is only associated with islam. It is only muslims that do dat.
The point is this, conversion of any christian igbo to islam is seen as a big victory that must be celebrated across the muslim community in Nigeria and the convert will immediately attain a celebrity status across the muslim world cos it is very rare and difficult. An average igbo will NEVER have anything to do with islam.

So my broda\sister, it is only muslims\islam that issue fatwa if a family member left islam. Igbos might be sad for any of their pple embracing islam but will NEVER hurt him\her. It is not in our culture and will never be. It is just a figment of ur imagination cos thats wat is practiceable (killing apostate muslims) in islam.

Adamskuty: arrant nonsense,most of the investment is through drug money

Dats shows hw prudent Igbos are in financial management. And for your information, the Yorubas introduce the Igbos into drug business, movie making, entertainment etc. But today, the Igbos are well ahead of you in all these areas.

Appreciate progress and changes dear and hold ur civil service job tightly.

In Rivers (to solidify the crisis), the northern governors left for otta (to officially sanction the crisis) and then move to Minna (to give a status report to the mega-godfather).

This is a great triangular movement, the bermuda triangular movement, all in a bid to capture\retake the lost treasure. May God help southern naija.

oduncutie: Ode
Isn't it obvious that the girl refuses to follow her dad home because she knows how intolerant her Christian dad is of people of other faith..whether they are family or not?
Christians say that Muslims don't want to be Christians because they will be killed by Muslims while I believe that Christians don't want to be Muslims because they will either be killed or turned to outcasts by Christians.
I still maintain that Muslims are more tolerant than Christians and I advise that the girl should not go with her dad unless she wants to die in regret.

I dnt tink u r familiar with 'honour killing' in islam. Google it den come back and post again.

mr fatimoh: It is people like you that throws this country into the kind of avoidable turmoil that is greatly militating against our development and progress as a nation.If you do not agree with a religion or the action of an adherent of a religion,that does not warrant a general condemnation of the religion.What do you understand about Islam?Why do you believe that,all that you have heard,is truly the facts of the matter?Your comment is a simple reflection of your crass ignorance,intolerance and immaturity.Next time ,learn not to condemn the religion of millions of adherents,the way you did.

Lemme ask u a simple question. Does Islam sanction execution of any muslim who leave the religion for a diffrent religion or not?

I think the etsu nupe should be charged for kidnap and unlawful detention. Where on earth can this happen if not the northern part of Nigeria.

I cant imagine an obi of Onitsha detaining a fulani girl on the pretense that she has converted to christianity. She is free to convert to Islam but y detain her in ur house\palace so that y can apply yerima-style on her after hypnotizing her.

Steezz: LMAO! See who is talking! Wat is dat all about on ur profile pic, huh?

She(he) is not serios at all. Mustafa wife better pass am sef.