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benalvino: there is 2 ways or more ways one can understand something... so he is just trying to present his point of view... not everything he is saying here is wrong.

Yes i understand, but u need not force falsehood into pple's throat with blind argument. The Bible is clear enough on the state of the dead.

Jesus, whom we claim to follow his teachings, NEVER teaches that death is the end of a man but a transit route to the afterlife. If frosbel, or any other person(s) teaches\believes otherwise, i will rather believ what Jesus teaches than Frosbel. If the Bible teaches the pre-existince of Jesus (and Jesus also held this view) and Frosbel says 'no', i will rather believe Jesus than Frosbel.

It is a knwn fact Frosbel is not stable with his biblical beliefs, then y must i trust\believ wat he wrote.
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Image123: Yes oh, blood cried. that is what the bible said and i gave you three places where the Bible said it. You deliberately cut it out of my post to make your point to the gullible. here they are again.

Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
God said blood was speaking(crying), you want me to reason it away as untrue. The supernatural cannot be reasoned away. the virgin birth cannot be reasoned away, neither can many of the miracles like feeding five thousand with five loaves or walking on water, or resurrection, or parting the River Jordan. If all you can make of this is give us the atheist line of rant that believers are just religious people cannot think and reason out the truth, instead leading multitudes into the same error wherein they are trapped. It shows the spirit driving you. You cannot hide smoke. i ask again, what are these things symbolic of?


1. That it is symbolic is not in question. i never objected that fact or even raised it. That it is symbolic does not mean that one cannot read and comprehend.
Dan 1:1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.
What is the above verse symbolic of? Do we need some spirit to interpret this simple grammar to us?

Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
What is this symbolic of? Is this not plain enough english that any body should understand? All these trying to hold us to ransom by private interpretation would not work. Some people tried it in the past by making all scriptures latin. Now you are here waving symbolic in our faces like we should all go and sleep since it is symbolic. Sorry, we also have the Spirit of God.

2. Again, you introduce another fallacy. There is no argument as to whether there were no souls under the altar at the time of John seeing and recording these events or there are. The point given is that after some folks died, the Bible records that their souls were under the altar in heaven, and that they were not zombie souls. They were communicating and being communicated with. They were even given robes according to the text.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
You said that once humans die, that is the end, until when they are resurrected. But i have shown from scriptures, instances that negate your assertions. Deal with that, or rather, believe that.

3. You want to know how long, whether it is a millenia, or whether it is logical? Tell me how logical it is to walk on water, or to resurrect from the dead, or to be born of a virgin, or to rub spittle in a blind man's eyes and he sees. the point again was about souls being alive after physical death, not about how long they are alive after physical death. i have shown you what the Bible has to say about this. It is left for you to believe the Bible or your logical articles.
Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
He does not say that God will be a God of the living. that will be the case if Abraham and other saints are not yet alive. God is NOT a God of the dead, He is a God of the living.

Image123 i'm so impressed with ur presentations, may God bless u and deliver the gullible from the guy Frosbel whom the devil is using zealously to deceive many.

As u asked earlier are the virgin birth of christ, his walking on water, his miracles, death and resurection symbolic? The Bible says that a carnal man (or an atheist) cannot receive\accept the thing of the spirit 'cos the are foolishness to him. No matter the volume of biblical evidence u present before him, he will not accept cos they dnt make sense to him.

You dont need waste ur time with him, he's an atheist parading himself a xtain on nairaland.

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Mcdondayan: Barca does not need a coach. Just tell messi, xavi, inirsta, puyol, and neymar to go into d field and play as d spirit leads. Dats all.....

Funny but seems vry true. Any coach managing Barca is already a sucesful coach.

Acceptable if only an Igboman will head the govt after the 'Egyptian coup' style. If Abdulsalam thinks one Umaru Tanko Abdulazeez will be installed, hes a joker.

truthislight: ^

but your so call men of God had changed their stand from TV is a sin to TV is not a sin and many more and many others.

You will not worry about those ^ it is frobel change that you hypocrite will see.

Rubbish!

U have come again with ur skewed reasoning. Have u seen the word TV in the bible before? I have been watching TV since i was a kid, so reason well.

The topic at hand has norring to do with TV but a sensitive subject Jesus tot over and over again. There is no prophet or teacher that mentioned hell fire as much as Jesus. If u agree with me that Jesus created all things den u wont argue\twist wat Jesus taught extensively on with illustations (the richman and lazarus). Jesus said the richman asked Lazarus to be raised back to life (cos he had died on the earthly realm) so that he can warn his five brothers in the world (still alive) to change\amend their ways so that they wont suffer wat hes seriosly passing thru after ge had died.

It is either u accept wat christ taught or u dnt. The explanation to this verse is simple enof for a primary sch pupil to understand let alone a mature student. If ur organization teach otherwise thats their problem.

Before Frosbel went reprobate he believe all wat Jesus taught. Even if he changes\rebels against the word of christ dat wont change the foundation of the word of God.

frosbel: what makes you think your position is built on a ROCK ? Because your pastor said so or because you are afraid of the truth and prefer to please MEN by sticking to tradition ?

From church history, up till this present age, there are leaders in church. Paul, peter, James etc are all leaders during their time and are meant to be obeyed.

In Nigeria of today we have xtain leaders\pastors with many xtains under their ministry, norring have really changed.

God himself cannot come down to preach to us but will use men to do his job on earth. U r at liberty to believe dem or not and not to condemn all of dem and their teaching (while u present falsehood and deceit as a substitute).

If i may ask u, which church do u worship? Who's ur earthly role model (dnt say Jesus cos dats ur deceptive response)?

Pple like u cannot run a church or any xtain organization but wil sit at home like an anonymous whistle-blower (who will always mask his face frm public view) and mislead many. May God deliver u bro.

To ask again which xtain org do u worship? If u cant ansa den u (since u r ashamed of associating wit any church), as i said earlier, u r an atheist masqurading a xtain here.

frosbel: only dogmatic people stick to a LIE even when the TRUTH is revealed.

And I only started to learn these beautiful truths when I started reading the word myself instead of following men, their churches and their dead traditions.

I believe u r still studying the word of God, hence u will still receive more revelation\inspirations dat r contrary to Jesus' own teachings.


Ok can u give a simple analysis of Jesus' teachings about hell and the after-life. Quote Jesus alone pls on dis subject matter.

frosbel: I am sure that as a Christian you know that misrepresenting someone's position is called falsehood ? To protect a pet doctrine at all costs including lying is the height of Phariseeism.

Since 2011, 2 years ago, I decided to study the scriptures for over 1 year , asking God for wisdom and spending some time in prayer, the result was that most of these false doctrines were confirmed to be doctrines of demons and had nothing to do with GOD.

Thanks.

Obviosly with the way u r going, if u 'study\pray' harder u will soon discover that there is no God.


I dont have any problem with ur doctrine but u seem to be in conflict with Jesus christ on the doctrine of hell. Since we call ourselves xtains i will rather take Jesus' own teaching about hell than urs.

frosbel: You are turning out to be quite a nuisance, I have told you and your HELL fanboys that this is an article written 2 years ago.

To be honest, bw u and pygru who's constituting nuisance. Two years ago u preached a thing dat u strongly and passionately defended to be gospel truth and today u r saying the complete opposite.

Ok hw do u expect a rational person to take u serios? Whats the tendency that in 2-yr time u will not come up with another modification of the gospel to suit ur present need?

Over the period ur flip-flopness had been exposed but u remain adamant in ur pride---u cant be corrected.

Anybody that follow the gospel according Frosbel will end up being deceived\misled.www.nairaland.com/767334/why-hell-integral-gospel

maximunimpact: U are welcome brother, we live in an era where truth is been determined by the majority. Its not always like dat. Follow the narrow part, for broad is d way dat lead off to destruction!

Did christ mentioned everlasting punishment in any of his teachings while on earth or not? It seems u knw more than Jesus or u have received a new revelation.

@ Frosbel this is wen u r still taken a bit serios. The era is gone.
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Dont let Ijawkid and co bounce on u concerning dis thread. If they turn the argument gear this simple topic will exceed 50pages.

alexleo: Surely,the devil must have seen the heavy loss frosbel would ve caused his kingdom if he had continued on the path he was as at 2011. The guy was a bulldozer. Let's be praying for him with love and passion. God will surely return him to the good old path where he truly belongs. In Jesus name. Amen.

I pray so my brother, and i hope it happens on time before its too late. I knw mr Frosbel is viewing thread and will take corrections this time around.

An open rebuke is better than a secret love (so says the book of proverbs). Frosbel need change from his new age heresies and go back to the good God he once served with obedience and godly fear.

He must stop preaching wat will make sinners and atheist adamant to receiving the gospel of christ.

kingoflag: There definitely are. Problem is the Eastern Region (which seems to be the only ones who cant see WHAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS SEEING ) will be quick to allude it to tribalism thereby imploding the whole polity. I dont care where the Coup leader is from... Tiv, Kalabari, Urhobo, Edo, itshekiri... insofar as hes not Igbo, they will be quick to inflame the country with rumors, cries and screams of "Marginalization" and guess what you'll have then? Another Civil war.

The truth hurts so I know some people will take offense to this post. But truth is, so long as the Eastern Region overwhelmingly supports the obvious evil of corruption that the Nigerian Government is perpetuating against its citizens (and which the World continually condemns), then Nigerians have no choice but to forcefully swallow the morsel of backwardness which the East insists on feeding them. Either that or they shouldnt care whose Ox is gored and take their destiny into their hands.

Stop reasoning like a child born in the early 90s. Was the eastern region carried along in the North\west (murtala\obasanjo) coup of 1976? Was the eastern region carried along in the North\west (buhari\idiagbo) coup of 1983? Was the eastern region carried along in the Northern (babangida) coup of 1985? Was the easter region carried along in the north\west (abacha\diya) coup of 1993?


Please dnt drag the eastern region into ur mess and illegality. Just as before, u guys can still do it without the easterners involved. But note that the era of appeasement is gone, & dnt forget the CIA prediction about nigeria by 2015.

alexleo: I just discovered this message was also delivered in 2011 like the one of hell an integral part of,,,,,. what a year with inspiring teachings by frosbel. I now pray the good old days to be back.

Dat was wen frosbel was serving God, now he is attacking God and his church, he has switched allegiance.

I have not seen Frosbel's latest contribtion to this (his) thread. Could it be dat that Frosbel made this post in error?

This guy has really gone around by 360 degree. May God help him.

alexleo: Hello everyone, below is a life changing message. Very inspiring and reviving. Delivered by our beloved brother frosbel in the year 2011. God bless you as you read. Amen.

Does dat mean Frosbel has switched beliefs?

Im happy dat the falsehood in Frosbel is being exposed. I was among the 1st sets of pple who noticed his deceptive intents on nairaland\internet and i thank God dat more pple are seeing his true colour.

May God deliver us from false\rebel teacher.

Abagworo: Its a pity he's suffering while his master Jonathan is smiling. Lloyd actually went too far probably because of rage from his earlier drilling but I still have to blame Jonathan for causing all these.

I still repeat once again that if Jonathan and Patience in their wisdom do not end this madness, it might consume them. Amaechi is an innocent man and God fights for the innocent even without powers and weapons. The voice of the people is the voice of God. Listen to the people and retrace your steps or if possible let people know Amaechi's offense. Timipriye Sylva received no support because we all learnt of his recorded conversation during which he threatened the President but Amaechi did nothing wrong to the best of Nigerians knowledge for now.

I used to accept most of ur view but i disagree with u here. So for someone to express his inaliable freedom of expression he has to be 'mased' while the 'innocent' govnor was there midwifing the whole chaos?

This singular act shows that Amaechi can never be civil in his dealings with opposion. I think u should edit ur post and the pple that click 'like' should unlike it.

oxford: if i called you an idio!t, i can not be banned because in this instance it is not an insult but a befiting description. So in democracy the minority can not hold and express their opinion? And for daring to, they must be killed abi.
How some people take dey reason sef

Reasonably funny.

[quote author=ShyM-X]Calling "PointB" intelligent is an insult to billions of intelligent people on this planet. Can't you see the guy labelled himself, Point-B, for a reason? Point-B is where re.tards go - Point-A is for the discerning minds.

When the same Wole Soyinka tore the Buhari man to shreds a few weeks ago, the same airheaded pointB was full of praises for him. However, now that the man is speaking the truth about the fedora hat wearing one, who feeds PointlessB with crumbs, he's back to what he knows how to do best. The guy is a clown! [/quote]One of the reasons i love nairaland.

Abagworo: Jonathan seems to have underestimated the power of track record. Like I predicted 2 days ago, any more attempt by Jonathan and his cohorts to disregard the voice of the masses will lead to a total shut down of Nigeria which will climax with the Army disobeying him.

Do u knw y Igbo man is the chief of army staff?

Myself2: @ posters

Could you guys post in English for the love of God
It's difficult and a tard irritating trying to decipher all those informal short hand posts of yours

Dis place nobe Poundsland but Nairaland. U can go 2 anoda foreign site with ur queen english. Abegi comot for road jooor, na only u go school or sabi yarn english?

To me Oliseh is playing a Morsi of Egypt here who criticizes Hosni Mubarak, but wen given the opportunity to lead couldnt last. It is easy to criticise. Oliseh should leave Keshi alone abeg.

This is one of the things i want APC, Buhari and Tinubu to look into and advise the govt and stop disturbing Jona.

Caleboha: . Allahu akbar is the word on the lip of every fanatical muslim once he feels passionate about a cause. Often times an intense show of aggression follows, massacre and blood bath. This justifiably gives Islam a violent colouration! If the protesters in Brazil, rebels in DRC, Liberia, or Sierra Leone went about screaming In JESUS name as they carried on their nefarious acts your point will be valid

I dey feel u.

i suspected the match was fixed. The Bristish are masters in game fixing and sports betting. Djokovic hav might have been told to chill a bit for andy murray.

lets forgive him, he seems to be wiser now.

I think goal.com should be deleting those those 419 mails, so annoyin and irritating. I stopped going to that site when i can no longer keep up with the spam mails.

musiwa29: you see asaba you alway shout, if you know nigeria army very well. they are going to blow them up ... if you think you will keep asaba. by the time they hear the sound of bombs most of them are going to relocate from asaba to igboland.. so to avoid waste of lifes. it is better to break it up.. igbos do not own asaba.


what is this police saying, that he will shoot him. he will shoot. so they will blow asaba to force igbo to relocate back to the east. by the time they hear two bomb. they will all relocate back home. you dont know the nigeria army.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANdYKZhe4Gg

R u mad?

frosbel: I was like you Bro, left deeperlife last year and have been free to follow and love JESUS ever since without the bondage of tradition.

Though, I must say that while I have nothing against TV, TV does have a negative effect on children and possibly adults, since it is a tool for media misinformation, information and propagation of an agenda that is not godly. If used for documentaries and the news or hooking up to a DVD then it is perfectly fine.

Internet is far far better, you can restrict what you watch etc.

Sorry i tot u said u left The Apostolic faith in some of ur other threads.