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leke12: Am also a christian, in my own perspective the couple want to be more innovative and civilized compare to an arcade practice. A case study of the use of television that was formely banned by the church for their members, virtually all members have T.V in their houses including the top pastors. The couple are just trying to set a good example.....

I agree with u here. I see norring wrong looking as good as possible on ur werring day.

We should not condemn ourselves wen God have not condemned us. My DL brodas are taking things too far.

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Owutu1: your brain needs some checkup must you behave like a goat

I knw u dnt like hearing the truth, but ur pple are typical betrayers. If u work in an office environment u will understand. U r a learning kid.

[quote author=A-ZeD]That I come from a country with idiots like you really bugs me.
Are you allergic to due process?[/quote]U knw ur pple are always guilty of 'traitorship', its in ur blood as well. U will soon sell blood broda for fortune, thats yoruba for u.

collynzo2: I never knew the Yoruba hate for Igbos will one day enter our football. Shooting stars betrayed the only Nigerian representative left in the continent, can you imagine that?

If this is happening in football u can imagine wats happening in the civil service, banks, oil companies etc. this same 'ineligible' player featured against 3sc and they didnt complain.

This is just a tip frm my Yoruba friends. Fear yoruba pple.

slap1: "This team belongs to 165 million people. Selection should affect these people. . ."
How on earth can a human being think like this? How can you ever get a team that the whole Nigeria will approve? Keshi is a professional, and he has proved it with AFCON trophy! Mai-garri or Mai-beans should let him do his job!

Maybe 165 million nigerians are certified fifa coaches.

ighoosagie: see bros u can't separate Brazil frm football.
In Brazilian football only winning is good enough.
Italy cud not stand Brazil.

Dat was den; things have changed.

ebamma 3: And yet garri is still expensive

I paint of garri is now 600 naira.

I dnt knw if 'kpomo' is also classified as meat so that i go kuku migrate to 'kpomo' consumption. Rules & regulation too much. May God help us.

IDEYE has no business in this team.

frank pessu: Kanye's baby.
6/15/2013
6
1+5=6
2+0+1+3=6
666
Evil baby

So all the babies born dat day are evil babies? Comot abeg.

frosbel: Yet we have over 1 million churches and the land is till covered in darkness and gross wickedness, greed pervades the land and human life has been reduced to that of a cockroach.

smh.

I tot d war bw u and the churches are over. Y dnt u just make ur comment and move on.

Hatred is a disease difficult to cure.

frosbel: I do not mean physical threats , spiritual threats etc.

What do you as a MAN of GOD think about the statement made by this pompous conceited fellow :



Can you tell me if this confused person knows what it means to use the phrase " withdraw that grace in JESUS name!".

Is this not the height of foolishness, arrogance and tyranny ? Which MAN has the power and authority to withdraw grace from a child of GOD ? That MAN cannot be from God , he is unwittingly acting as SATAN's mouth piece in this instance.

If u r on the right track u need not afraid of any spiritual threat\curse . I tink u just need to learn more about the word of God in any area u dnt hav complete understandin.

We r all learners cos spiritual matters are vry vast and deep; i can say we knw nothing yet but always prove to knw much cos of the small education we assumed to hav acquired.

Remember that who God do not curse, no man can. We must operate in a spiritual pedestal such that no spiritual threat can intimidate us, by being right with God and prayerful, cos the world is full of evil and spiritual wickedness in high places.

And spend more of ur time in preaching the positive gospel.

Its well with u and all of us.

frosbel: I am reacting to threats and abuse from your precious brothers and MOG.

I think u r just trying further, in ur attempt, at painting\portraying churches in bad light.

When u say 'threats' can u pls explain way(s) u have been threathened? This is because i wonder hw nairaland, as an anonymous forum, can be used as an avenue to threaten someone.

Nobody knows ur identity and u can help here in protecting pple's opinions\lives\privacy if u can give us a cogent case where u r actually threatend.

This thread be better moved to 'joke\commedy' section.

Frosbel is playing a comedian here, he is joking and seeking attention for nothing. Coming up with a fresh trick.

[quote author=babe_online][size=24pt]I dont think there is anything wrong in practising your local religion.[/size] We have simply been brainwashed by the west and that is why we condemn our local religion















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SELLING YOUR BABY IS WRONG! Link:http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/06/19/dss-rescues-17-pregnant-girls-in-aba-photo/ [/quote]Not evry anti-yoruba post on nairaland is an igbo-man post.

I wonder y u hav come to dis conclusion.

ezex: Shut d Bleep.
When u don't know anything about those in power why won't u insult d southwest.
99.9% if not 100% of those in politics are in cult.

As an Igbo guy i can tell u dat 98% of my Igbo politicians are cultist\fetsh, the same thing applicable to the yoruba, hausa, ijaw, efik politicians etc. Virtually all of dem are fetish.

Na only God go deliver us frm dem.

bobthebuilder99: Igbos hate us too much.

My best friends are yorubas.

If this is actually true, then it is a welcome development.

'Firstborn', does it mean first created. I think the thread is getting derailed. Lets stay on track with the topic.

BERNIMOORE: @true2God



true2God

this is for you to answer;[b] a collection from one of your former member; im dying with laughter here;

Benny Hinn assemblies of God ordained minister;[/b]

Heresies

There are several Biblical HERESIES which are prevalent in the Assemblies of God churches. For example: they teach that you can lose your salvation. They also practice the unbiblical confusion of speaking in tongues. In addition, the Assemblies of God (Pentecostals, etc) are known for their hands-on faith-healing services. One of the biggest wolves in the Assembly of God camp is Morris Cerullo. Other wolves within the Assemblies of God religion are John Harris, Jim Bakker, Tammy Faye Bakker, Byron Klaus, Gene Scott, Bill Hamon, Jimmy Swaggart and Karl Strader (the tip of the iceberg of many scoundrels in the Assembly of God denomination who use the sheep for their own gain). Some of the other ecumenical leaders in the Assemblies of God mess are Dr. Henry J. Lyons; Billy, Ned and Franklin Graham; and Robert Tilton to name a few. Elvis Presley was also a member of the Assemblies of God. Benny Hinn, one of the most hideous false prophets of our time, is also a member of the Assemblies of God. Please read Billy graham exposed.

I plead with you if you are involved with the Assemblies of God to get out quickly. As listed above, there are MANY different branches of this wayward group (Pentecostal, Promise Keepers, etc). I am NOT going to go as far as to call ALL of them a cult, but Benny Hinn is certainly on his way to hell. I believe that the Bible draws the line of "cult" at the moment anyone ADDS something to simple faith in Christ. For example: The Seventh-Day Adventists are a cult (a false religion) because they ADD the Sabbath day and good works to faith in Christ, which certainly is NO faith in Christ. Roman Catholicism is a cult. Lutheranism is a cult. Episcopal churches are a cult. Greek Eastern Orthodox churches are a cult. They all ADD the holy communion and baptism to faith in Christ. So I wouldn't go as far as to say that the Assemblies of God are unsaved, but they are out on left field doctrinally.


LOSING SALVATION HERESY

I personally believe that MANY Assemblies of God followers are NOT saved. There is a serious doctrinal problem with the belief that you can LOSE YOUR SALVATION. Listen friend, if I didn't have to do GOOD WORKS to get my salvation, then how can I lose my salvation by doing BAD WORKS? It's just not good Bible to teach that a person can lose their salvation! We are saved by God's grace through childlike faith in the Saviour (Ephesians 2:8-9). To teach that a person can "fall from grace" is unscriptural. Just as the physical birth CANNOT be undone, so likewise the spiritual birth CANNOT be undone. It is heresy to teach that a person can be born again and then lose that new birth because of sin or apostasy. The TRUTH is that many people "fall away" from the things of God because they were never saved to begin with (1st John 2:19). God NEVER disowns one of His own children. Jesus PROMISED that we would never perish...

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." —John 10:28

Jesus NEVER said anything about "losing" our salvation. If we could lose our salvation, don't you think the Bible would have much more to say about the matter. The FACT is that the Bible has NOTHING to say about losing one's salvation. Those who "fall from grace" are those who have rejected the gospel and is so doing have damned themselves. No believer can ever fall from grace. Once a person is saved, they are SAVED FOREVER. Then Bible is clear on this issue of eternal security.

I sincerely question the salvation of anyone who believes that they have to MAINTAIN a certain level of spirituality to remain saved. I simply do NOT believe that such a person is saved. The Methodist church, United Methodist church, and Free Methodist church all believe that a person can lose their salvation if they fall away from the Lord. It is in effect, a "works" salvation. The TRUTH is that salvation is a FREE gift (Romans 5:15). A gift is received, not earned. A true "gift" CANNOT be lost or taken away if it was truly a gift to begin with. God's free gift of eternal life was paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. Once we receive that GIFT by faith, it can NEVER BE LOST! I sincerely question the salvation of the Assemblies of God. I KNOW I am saved by the grace of God, I do NOT worry about losing what I had nothing to do with in the first place. Salvation is of the Lord, not man. Our part is to simply trust.


SPEAKING IN TONGUES HERESY

In Acts chapter 2, we read that the Apostles spoke in tongues (languages). Is there a gift of tongues? Yes, there is a legitimate gift of speaking in tongues, but it is NOT the foolish jibber-jabber nonsense of the Assemblies of God, and wayward ministers like Creflo Dollar. The Bible could not be more clear if people would just read it at face value. Acts 2:6 clearly reads that "...every man heard them speak in his own language." Did you reads that...IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE! As the Apostles spoke in tongues, the multitudes of people from at least sixteen different nations each heard the gospel presented IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE...

"And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." -Acts 2:7-11

Notice the phrase in Acts 2:11, "our tongues." The crowds heard the Apostles preach in their own native tongues, not some unknown heavenly jibber jabber. There was NEVER any heavenly languages spoken that no one understood and required an interpreter. There is a drastic difference between Biblical tongues and the heretical speaking in tongues of the Assemblies of God churches.

The "speaking in tongues" which the Assemblies of God and the Pentecostals foolishly practice are UNKNOWN tongues, not anything found on earth. Supposedly, those unknown tongues can only be interpreted by ONE spirit-filled member of the congregation. The Apostle Paul speaks common sense to us Corinthians 14:19...

"Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."

Carnal believers try to imitate the gifts of the Spirit, but the gifts of God are not given for entertainment as the Pentecostals use them for. ALL the gifts of God for for ONE purpose, soul winning. The purpose of the tongues in Acts chapter 2 was to get people saved (and at least 3,000 people were saved on the day of Pentecost). Pentecost was a specimen day for all the world to see of what can happen when God's children pray, trust God, and work together to spread the gospel. Please note that these Christians were all united in truth, not error. There were no false religions or liberal churches involved. It is WRONG for believers to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers or wayward religions like the Assemblies of God. I would rather be divided over truth than to be united by error. The Apostle Paul addressed the carnality of the church at Corinth...

"How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying."

The church of Corinth was your first unofficial Charismatic, Assemblies of God, Pentecostal, Apostolic Faith...church. They were an entertainment church, much like the Pentecostals churches today with their musical bands, speaking in tongues, healing services, etc. It is unfortunate when churches have to deteriorate into entertainment centers to attract new members. They try to "spectacularize" Christianity. This is why the Assemblies of God religion is so popular, it offers a lot of entertainment (a lot of weird entertainment I might add).

The carnal believers in the Corinthian church were trying to reproduce the gift of tongues but they weren't in any spiritual condition to see any gifts of the Spirit. What they needs was a Billy Sunday revival. 1st Corinthians 3:1 tells us that they were carnal. This church was in bad shape, a house divided. Some said they were with Apollos. Others said they were with Paul. Still other's were claiming to be with Cephas (1st Corinthians 1:12). They were suing each other, eating meats offered to idols, allowing open adultery within the church. Should it be any surprise that they were also caught up in a speaking in tongues heresy. The speaking in tongues practiced by the Charismatics, Pentecostals and Assemblies of God are of the devil.


FAITH HEALING SERVICES (DELIVERANCE)

Listen friend, God's power is not at our disposal to entertain the masses and get filthy rich. Morris Cerullo is proof of what I am saying. Cerullo is a phony, certainly no man of God. There is a spirit at work indeed, but it is the spirit of Satan. Do you really believe that God would allow his power to be abused to make a bunch of sinister ministers filthy rich? No way! Benny Hinn is without a doubt one of the most famous heretics within the Assemblies of God organization. The Bible does teach in James chapter 5 that the prayer of faith shall heal the sick, but this does NOT give anyone a right to FALSELY use the gift of healing to make MONEY! Ever notice that the people healing has a headache for 10 years or a bad back for 15 years? I'd like to see someone get a missing hand back.

Though the Bible does teach us to pray for the sick, there is NO GUARANTEE that everyone will be healed. These heretics that teach that Jesus died on the cross to guarantee us physical healing are loony. Sickness and death are the results of sin. We cannot escape sickness and death. Though God does sometimes heal the sick in answer to prayer, it is inevitable that sickness and death will eventually come knocking at our door to stay.


@ true2God

dont you know that you and church are immoral? clean to even their hands are soiled? shame on you!

U failed to mentiond Goodluck Jonathan, David Mark, Chris Ngige, etc so dat ur points will make a little sense.

U also fail to tell ur JW brodas dat once u r saved as a xtain u can continue living in adultery, fornication, arm robbery etc (since one of u r doctrines is once saved u r 4ever saved)

u no try at all, i tot ur migration frm 'Barrister' to 'BERNIMOORE' will upgrade u, but no.

[quote author=true2god][\quote]@ truthislight, the last edition of watchtower i read, the JW told me that the right pronuncaition for YHWH is Jehovah, but u hav been consistently using Yahweh in ur response.

Since ur major concern is that Yahweh was not used in the translations. Ok no wahala.

1)Pls tell me the correct pronunciation for YHWH.
2)Is there any record that Jesus ever used YHWH in reference to the father?
3)If Jevohah is assumed to be a wrong pronunciation for YHWH, y is ur watchtower magazines insisting its the right name for God vis-a-vis usin it as ur official name, Jehovah's witnesess. Note that there is no letter 'J' in hebrew alphabet.
Ok hw do u want the bible translators to render YHWH?

truthislight: Learn how to apply titles.

If you want to see other lords go to court.

Jesus is the only lord to man while the father is the almighty God.

Trinitarians abuse of the bible by removing the name of Yahweh is the reasons for your confussion right now, go tell your fellows thank you.

If the Tetragramaton was not removed/replaced with 'Lord' will you be this confused ? No.

You better run for your life from this evil people.

The last edition of watchtower i read, the JW told me that the right pronuncaition for YHWH is Jehovah, but u hav been consistently using Yahweh in ur response.

Ok hw do u want the bible translators to render YHWH?

benalvino: lol Desika they wait you... bidam and true2god

Lol. The discussion is not for the sake of Ijawkid, truthislight or Barrister but for the gullible JW who hav been deceived by the watchtower org. I hope most of dem are learning certain things here and hav many questions to ask their elders in their next meetings.

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ijawkid: Mumu!!!!....

There was no differentitation between the upper and lower case back then.......

And Jehovah is the tetragrammaton....the tetragrammaton is not a synonyms of the word GOD.....

What was in isaiah was EL and not the tetragrammaton......

U r always slow in learning or just a hypocrite. Since u say we r all gods (including u, me and Jesus), r u also a mighty God, since u and Jesus are in the same category as u r tot?

U have shifted frm Jesus being:
1) a spirit being
2) an angel
3) a god
4) only begotten
5) first begotten, wat else will u guys not say\teach about Jesus cos the light is still getting brighter.

So an angel according to u is qualified to be 'a mighty God' even tho' the bible u carry says otherwise. Guy u need to get urself examined cos i believe as a graduate u did a simple logic at the uni.

ijawkid: Which GOD??....

Are we not all called GOD(s)??..........

It seems this grammer has not been piercing into y'alls minds...

We are all "EL"(ohim)s.......

......

Now you bring thomas....

Let's listen to what Jesus told thomas and the rest even after thomas made that statement in an exclamation......

John 20:30-31....

30 Jesus performed many other signs in the
presence of his disciples, which are not
recorded in this book. 31 But these are
written that you may believe[b] that Jesus is
the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by
believing you may have life in his name.


Jesus always corrected anyone who mistook him for the almighty GOD....

He always re-iterated his position as Gods son and the messiah....

The Father I repeat is not the messiah which you know 100 percent...........

Guy u r talking rubish! The bible called men gods and not GOD(S) as u put it. Ur NWTtranslation called the son 'mighty Jehovah' (isaiah 9:6 NWT).

Are u also mighty Jehovah?

deSika: thats what i call dodgetiantis.

one minute they tell you the father alone is God. when youshow them where Jesus is called God, they telll you that we are all God as well. when you show where Jesus is called mighty God. they tell you that the father is almighty God, while Jesus is mighty God.

the funny thing is that isaiah 10:21 calls the father mighty God.

added to that is the everlasting father that Jesus is called. they cant see why Jesus and the father are everlasting father at same time.

Dats a skill an average JW is trained, to defend wats in the watchtower magazine at all cost. Part of the training is for an average JW to understand patterns for answering evry questions directed at dem dat ordinarily dey will not hav answers for.

Its unfortunate that only a poor student study that way, no room for independent tinkin. Accept wat u r told hook, line and sinker or else u r going into apostasy. But they will soon adjust cos good number of dem will still go back home and do a personal study with respect to all the expositions given to dem.

Well done guy!.

deSika: so now have you seen the truth. And will you accept it

Even if u like quote frm Genesis to revelation, as long as watchtower magazine does not endorse it it is null and void to him.

deSika: na wa when you say Jesus is the son of God. which God are you referring to. so why are you now bringing satan is called god into the issue.

if the God you are referring to is the creator God, then pls answer my question; the son of the creator God is a what.
permit me to rephrase myy questions as i see that you are an artful dodger.

pls take note, when i say God I mean the creator God. i will now proceed to use the word god without a capital letter
1. the son of the creator/almighty god is a what. can a cow have a goat for a son
2. what kind of spirit being is Jesus
a. an angel (non creator god) spirit being
b. creator god spirit being


what you failed to understand is this my friend.
God the father is also called mighty God, why will Jesus be called the exact name of God the father.

john 5:18
therefore the jews sought the moore to kill him, because he not only had broke the sabbath, but also said that God was his father, making himself equal with God

Wat u dnt understand is that the pharisees understood wat Jesus meant, by callin himself the son of God, than Ijawkid, truthislight and Bookmark. The pharisees fully understood he was equating himself with God.

truthislight: ^
Then he was not almighty God!

Do u knw there are many verses that rendered the father as 'mighty God' as well? Im still shocked that 'mighty' and 'almighty' is now ur bones of contention. Thats a great height of desperation on the part of the watchtower org, u r not to blame cos u r just following wat they teach u as 'gospel truth'.