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The lifeless one and his cabals are not smiling. This election is a door or die affair. The rigging machinery at full speed, no stone must be left unturned.

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Your hatred for Islam, Muslims and Iran in particular has not stop growth of Islam and development in Iran in particular. Now, tell me what have ever produced? Islam was fully established about 600 years after Christianity, yet the so called Christians are afraid of Islam and Muslims. That is understandable, darkness is always afraid of light. However, real followers of Jesus love Muslims because Muslims are also real followers of Jesus

Make you point and stop this your cry-baby post. I don't think you read my full engagement with AlBaqr.

najib632:
What am I trying to cover up? Is it the prophet Muhammad S.A.W last sermon? Is it the prophecy of Khawarij? Is it the prophecy of the death of Hussein R.A? Is it the killing? I can go on and on. Look man if you don't study under a certified Sunni Islamic scholar you will be misguided. Islam is my deen I am Muslim for 21 years now there's so much I know that you don't. If you have a question you should ask and if I know the answer in shaa Allah I will reply you and if not someone else will or we refer you to some one, instead of challenging me. Can't you see that I left al-baqir alone?

How can you call the narrations in the hadith prophecy? Is the hadith also inspired? What about many hadith (including it alleged prophecies) that has been deemed fabricated?

najib632:
Hazrat Abu Huraira narrates that, while the Holy Prophet was saying something in a gathering, a Bedouin came and asked him, “When will the Hour (Day of Judgement) take place?” Allah’s Messenger continued his talk, so some people said that he had heard the question but did not like what the Bedouin had asked. Some of them said that Allah’s Messenger had not heard it. When the Holy Prophet finished his speech, he said,”Where is the questioner, who enquired about the Hour (Day of Judgement)?” The Bedouin said, “I am here, O Allah’s Messenger .” Then the Holy Prophet said, “When honesty is lost, then wait for the Hour.” The Bedouin said, “How will that be lost?” The Holy Prophet said, “When the power or authority comes in the hands of unfit persons, then wait for the Hour.”

Abul-Hasa 'Ali Ibn Talib sais, "There shall soon come upon the people a time in which nothing of Islam remains except it's name and nothing of the Qur'an remains except it's script. Their masajid will be built with splendor while they are ruins, coid of guidance. Their scholars will be the worst of creatures under the sky. Fitnah arises from them and it is only due to them." (Reported by al-Bayhaqi in Shu'ab al-Iman)

Hazrat Abu Huraira narrates that the Holy Prophet said, “Time will pass rapidly, good deeds will decrease, miserliness will be thrown (in the hearts of the people), afflictions will appear and there will be much ‘Al-Harj.'” They said, “O Allah’s Messenger! What is ‘Al-Harj?’ He said, “Killing! Killing!”

[Sahih Bukhari]

Splitting of the moon (Sahih Bukhari, Book 56: 830)
A form of death, which will kill thousands of Muslims (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 4: book 53: 401)

A major fighting in Madinah (understood to be the battle of al-Harrah during the caliphate of Yazid)
The Muslim conquest of Jerusalem (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 4: book 53: 401)

The Muslim conquest of Constantinople (Sahih Muslim, book 41: 6924)

Two large groups of Muslims will fight in a war (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 9: book 88: 237)

A war between the Muslims and a reddish people with small eyes, wearing sandals made of hair ( Sahih Bukhari, Vol 4: book 52: 179)

A peace agreement between the Muslims and non-Muslims from the yellow race (understood to be the Chinese, Mongols etc.)

30 impostors will appear, each thinking he is a prophet (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 9: book 88: 237)

Naked, destitute, barefoot shepherds will compete in building tall buildings
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol 1: book 2: 47)

The slave-woman will give birth to her master or mistress
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol 6: book 60: 300)

A trial (fitnah) which will enter every Arab household (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 4: book 53: 401)

Knowledge will be taken away (by the death of people of knowledge), and ignorance will prevail (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 1: book 3: 80)

Wine (intoxicants, alcohol) will be drunk in great quantities (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 1: book 3: 80)

Zina will become widespread (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 1: book 3: 80)

Earthquakes will increase (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 2: book 17: 146)

Time will pass more quickly (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 2: book 17: 146)

Tribulations (fitana) will prevail (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 2: book 17: 146)

Bloodshed will increase (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 2: book 17: 146)

A man will pass by the grave of another and wish he was in the latter’s place (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 9: book 88: 237)

Trustworthiness will be lost, i.e. when authority is given to those who do not deserve it (Sahih Bukhari, Vol 1: book 3: 56)

People will gather for prayer, but will be unable to find an imam to lead them (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 2: 0581)
Narrated by Hazrat Anas bin Malik: The Holy Prophet said, “The Last Hour will not come until people vie with one another about mosques.”

[Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 2, Hadith no. 449]

Paying Zakat becomes a burden and miserliness becomes widespread; charity is given reluctantly. [Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah]

Hazrat Abdullah ibn Umar said, “The Prophet came to us and said, ‘O Muhajirun, (emigrants from Makkah to Madinah), you may be afflicted by five things; God forbid that you should live to see them. If fornication should become widespread, you should realise that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people, which their forebears never suffered. If people should begin to cheat in weighing out goods, you should realise that this has never happened without drought and famine befalling the people, and their rulers oppressing them. If people should withhold zakat, you should realise that this has never happened without the rain being stopped from falling; and were it not for the animals’ sake, it would never rain again. If people should break their covenant with Allah and His Messenger, you should realise that this has never happened without Allah sending an enemy against them to take some of their possessions by force. If the leaders do not govern according to the Book of Allah, you should realise that this has never happened without Allah making them into groups and making them fight one another.”
(Ibn Majah)

Only the rich receive a share of any gains, and the poor do not. [Tirmidhi]

A trust is used to make a profit. [Tirmidhi]

When a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother; and treats his friend kindly while shunning his father. [Tirmidhi]

People will treat a man with respect out of fear for some evil he might do. [Tirmidhi]

Men will begin to wear silk. [Tirmidhi]

Female singers and musical instruments will become popular. [Tirmidhi]

When the last ones of the Ummah begin to curse the first ones. [Tirmidhi]

Hazrat Ali ibn Abi Talib said, “The Prophet said: ‘If my Ummah bears fifteen traits, tribulation will befall it.’ Someone asked, ‘What are they, O Messenger of Allah?’ He said, ‘When any gain is shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor; when a trust becomes a means of making a profit; when paying Zakat becomes a burden; when a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother; and treats his friend kindly whilst shunning his father; when voices are raised in the mosques; when the leader of a people is the worst of them; when people treat a man with respect because they fear some evil he may do; when much wine is drunk; when men wear silk; when female singers and musical instruments become popular; when the last ones of this Ummah curse the first ones – then let them expect a red wind, or the earth to swallow them, or to be transformed into animals.’ “

[Tirmidhi]

The nations of the Earth will gather against the Muslims like hungry people going to sit at a table full of food. This will occur when the Muslims are large in number, but “like the foam of the sea”.

Hazrat Thauban reported that the Messenger of Allah said, “It is near that the nations will call one another against you, just as the eaters call one another to their dishes.” Somebody asked, “Is this because we will be few in numbers that day?” He said, “Nay, that day you shall be numerous, but you will be like the foam of the sea, and Allah will take the fear of you away from your enemies and will place weakness into your hearts.” Somebody asked, “What is this weakness?” He said, “The love of the world and the dislike of death.”

[Sunan Abu Dawud]

A treaty will be made between the Muslims and the Westerners – which they will breach with an army of 12,000 soldiers under 80 banners. [Bukhari]

Hazrat Auf bin Malik reported: “I came to the Holy Prophet during the battle of Tabuk while he was in a leather tent, and he said: ‘Count six things before the last hour: my death, then the conquest of Jerusalem, then the contagious disease that will overtake you like the disease of cattle, then the excess of wealth, so much that when a man shall be given a hundred dinars he shall remain dissatisfied, then trial from which not a single house in Arabia shall be spared, then a treaty between you and the Westerners (Banu Asfar – the Romans), but they shall cheat you and march against you under 80 banners with 12,000 soldiers under each banner.”

[Bukhari]

Books/writing will be widespread and (religious) knowledge will be low. [Ahmad]

People will beat others with whips like the tails of oxen – this may be in reference to the slave trade. [Muslim]

Children will be filled with rage. [at-Tabarani, al-Hakim]

Children will be foul. [at-Tabarani, al-Hakim]

Women will conspire. [at-Tabarani, al-Hakim

Rain will be acidic or burning – reference to acid rain. [at-Tabarani, al-Hakim]

Children of fornication will become widespread or prevalent. [at-Tabarani, al-Hakim]

When a trust becomes a means of making a profit. [Tirmidhi, Al-Haythami]

Episodes of sudden death will become widespread. [Ahmad]

There will be people who will be brethren in public, but enemies in secret. (When asked how that would come about, he replied, “Because they will have ulterior motives in their mutual dealings, and at the same time they will fear one another.”) [Tirmidhi]

People will walk in the marketplace with their thighs exposed.

Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time – reference to vehicles, aeroplanes.

The people of Iraq will recieve no food and no money due to oppression by the Romans (Europeans). [Muslim]

People will hop between the clouds and the earth.

When singers become common. [Al-Haythami]

People will dance late into the night.

People will claim to follow the Qur’an but will reject Hadith & Sunnah. [Abu Dawood]

People will believe in the stars. [Al-Haythami]

People will reject al-Qadr (the Divine Decree of Destiny). [Al-Haythami]

Smog will appear over cities because of the evil that they are doing.

People will be carrying on with their trade, but there will only be a few trustworthy persons.

There will be attempts to make the deserts green.

Women will be naked in spite of being dressed, these women will be led astray & will lead others astray. [Muslim]

The conquest of India by the Muslims, just prior to the return of Prophet Jesus, son of Mary. [Ahmad, an-Nisa’i, Tabarani, al-Hakim]

There will be a special greeting for the people of distinction. [Ahmad]

Wild animals will be able to talk to humans. [Ahmad]

A man will leave his home and his thigh or hip will tell him what is happening back at his home. [Ahmad]

Years of deceit in which the truthful person will not be believed and the liar will be believed. [Ahmad]

Bearing false witness will become widespread. [Al-Haythami & Ahmad]

When men lie with men, and women lie with women. [Al-Haythami]

Trade will become so widespread that a woman will be forced to help her husband in business. [Ahmad]

A woman will enter the workforce out of love for this world. [Ahmad]

Arrogance will increase in the earth. [Tabarani, al-Hakim]

Family ties will be cut. [Ahmad]

There will be many women of child-bearing age who will no longer give birth.

There will be an abundance of food, much of which has no blessing in it.

People will refuse when offered food.

Men will begin to look like women and women will begin to look like men.

Find the sources yourself,


How was Ibrahim A.S to the Idol worshippers? How was Musa A.S to Pharaoh? How was Nuh A.S? You act like the message that prophet Muhammad S.A.W came with is not clear. Seek knowledge from the Orthodox creed and Schools of taught. You will remain a Jaheel if you continue like this.

Very long and boring; always make you point brief and coherent.

AlBaqir:
Unfortunately you are the one stylishly trying to deny Iran advancements and success stories. For a fact, I have never compare Iran with best in science and technology. And facts I have submitted so far only showed the country is among the fastest growing nation technologically. I know you are baffled knowing Muslim world to be bunch of useless redundant.

# I talked about sanction on Iran since 1979, yet you persisted asking "where is Iranian products in global market". Thank God you made mention of Russia. When Russia was bombarded with series of sanctions then, where were his scientific products in the global market? Even till now?

A serious country like Russia and Iran only used sanctions to their respective advantage: self reliance.

Yes, Iran has learnt and master a lot from Russian scientists. Icing on the cake is that her scientists and engineers have turned things around over the years. In 2009, Iran launched her first satellite into space with the help of China. 5 years later, and just last month her scientists were able to launched their locally made satellite successfully. You read the report that: Iran's growth rate in science and technology is 11 times more than the average growth of the world's output in 2009 and in terms of total output per year...

IRAN is not a nation that is being overhyped on media unlike many European countries. Had there no hindrance in her nuclear program in the last 10 years, she would have moved up the ladder more.

I think you have a superior argument here; especially when it comes to consumer goods made in Iran for export. The issue I have is the authenticity of your claim: Iran's growth rate in science and technology is 11 times more than the average growth of the world's output in 2009 and in terms of total output per year... which i find very exaggerative.

On your point: I know you are baffled knowing Muslim world to be bunch of useless redundant. , this is a rather wrong assumption on your part with respect to my view on the Islamic world. True, the Muslim world is lagging behind in terms of science and technology but I wont be surprised if Iran made a giant lead in tech. advancement. The Persians had been great powers and I think they are only living below their human potentials. Of all the muslim nations, Iran and Turkey are the only 2 countries I can count to be at par with the technological powerhouses in future.

Your current claim on Iran might be an exaggeration but they have all it takes to be a future regional super-power.

AlBaqir:
# Imam Hassan died at age 45 around 50 AH. Imam Husein was 55 years old when he died at 61 A.H. They were both at middle age when they died, and not that "very young".

Thanks for the clarification.

Empiree:
I know. He actually used to nice be all that. But then, between 2015-16 he was influenced by a crazy CHRISTIAN Finland base Igbo lady and he became demon and intolerant towards us. Now he's back to normal



I don't think you were here in 2017 to 18 how crazy he was. He has multiple monikers. He started with Deathstroke007. He was cool and normal human being at this time. His comments were relative. He then changed to different monikers that I don't remember anymore and started promoting jabata ideology. Then he became Alhusunnah, and cloned his fellow Salafis' moniker named Uthaymeen and now he got this one.

In few yrs after realizing his ideology doesn't sell he will dump and realize he has been in errors these years.

You keep calling people names and throwing jibes. I remain true2god and never created a multiple ID. Stop making a wrong assumption and building up a victimhood mentality.

And FYA, I am difficult to be influenced by anyone, including your so-called CHRISTIAN Finland base Igbo lady. I have many grey areas in Islam and I will keep saying it because no religion is perfect; human beings only create excuses for the limitations in their religion. I am a Christian and I have many christian colleagues who have turned my 'enemies' because of my non-conventional view. I am not dogmatic and don't accept any claim hook, line and sinker without any verification or appraisal of a claim. I am not leaning towards atheism either because of my small experience in the power of the supernatural after much prayer and fasting.

Thank you!

najib632:
This is pure ignorance, the Ahlul Sunnah love the family of the prophet Muhammad S.A.W and not all his family members are dead, his progeny still survives till this day through both Hassan R.A and Hussein R.A, It was not Any of the khulafa'u rashidun that caused their deaths if you want to talk of Islam start from the bottom if not you'll continue making a mock put of yourself. You're confused, let us know your stance are still a non-muslim or are you a Muslim?


All that happened and is happening was already prophesied, so those who seek knowledge or that have little understanding and are not open minded will be misguided by becoming extremists like @Abu heekmat and @Al-baqir. While those who do not seek knowledge and are not open minded will be misguided by laxity like @usermane and sometimes disbelief like @tintinz.

Stop calling people names; just make your point. Everybody can never have same opinion with you. Hassan and Hussein died at a very young age, you can prove me wrong with facts.

It is quite insane calling Al-baqir an extermist. You are amazing.

Empiree:
Wafa Sultan of all people?. I used to listen to her. Where is her relevance now?. You don't war with Islam and remain relevant ever. Where is Robert Spencer?. Where is Hamas son who ran his mouth over 10yrs ago that Islam would vanish in 10yrs?. Where are they over 10yrs ago, all of them around 2001-2011? .

They are all silenced by Almighty Himself. They did and said what they said for $$$ not religious conviction. Some of them regret their activities back then because right now Western people are wiser. If you come out to say trash openly about Islam now, Americans especially would bash you for hate crime unlike a decade ago.

Where is US president John Quincy Adams, sixth President of the United States (1825–1829), who wrote:

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth

He's gone beneath the earth and silenced by God. Where is Walid Shoebat, Jerry Falwell. Where is Pamela Geller, a b!tch who used to say trash. All of them are quite irrelevant now. Americans have woke from their slumber a decade later to realize these people are garbage. You have to understand that they said and acted nasty because they wanted to put food on their table. Now people are not buying their trash anymore, they are infamous.

Stop acting as if you are in a constant state of war; take a chill pill mehn. You are too young for this.

I stated that fact that western media bash all religion, and that at a time Al-jazeera was fond of inviting Wafa Sultan, why all these anger? You need cool down a bit because you can't fight for your God; God doesnt need human input to do his battle.

Empiree:
since discussions about sahaba have been up for centuries did they solve it?.

They could not solve the problem because it is being used as a political tool to settle scores. Until they, shia and sunni, come together as one, the enmity will not go away for the next 1000 years. In Ireland, the Catholics and the protestants fought for over 200 years, killing and maiming each other, but today they have found a way to bury their difference and move along, to a very large extent.

Empiree:
And no, there is perfect religion and that is Islam. You are equating personalities with religion. Ofcourse, that 3 letters media outlets and others would bash Christianity because there are flaws in it and I am not talking about Christian history.

The bolded is an myth that only existed in your imagination; a sort of a self-inflated religious ego. In the early days of Al-jazeera, a supposedly Arab media, muslim critics are alweays invited to bash Islam (watch the video of the debate between Wafa sultan vs an Egyptian sheik). Al-jazeera was forced to stop this episode after a serious back-lash from the muslim world. There is no religion without it flaws as long as human beings are the custodians and the practitioners.

tintingz:
Dude please go and educate yourself about evolutionary biology.

Evolutionary biology is a 'subjective' science which has no any universal appeal in the science world and many schools (and countries) have stopped teaching it. The believe in evolution is as delusional as the believe in many religious beliefs.

Empiree:
You see, you will be making mistake made in the past. This is what Jamiu Adegunwa was saying, that Christians would say things in Islam to cause further disunity like the West are currently doing siding with Saudi over silly things to hate their fellow muslims. I don't entertain that one bit. It is a trick.

And ones they done with Saudi's alleged enemies, they come for Saudi and finish it off. And at that time, Saudi will not have any backings from fellow muslims. It is the same with Sunni/Shia. They poke their nose in what doesn't concern them and side with Shia for their comfort theoretically to chase Sunni away. When it is btw them and Shia, they start using all types of tricks and use Sunni text against Shia. At that time it will be difficult for Sunni to defend Shia.



This is why there was a saying:


"Islam is a religion without men (men made of dud-recycle paper brain). Christianity is men made of steel-stealth brain but without religion"



I have my reservation for sahaba altogether. The wisest thing to do in my opinion is to avoid speaking on differences except for academic purposes when necessary. Again, Allah will not ask us what sahaba did or didn't do. Q2:141.

This Ayah alone kills all types of arguments regarding sahaba to cause problems within the ummah. As you can see, Shia made that mistake by making it their aqeeda to curse some sahaba. Now shia Ulama are struggling to curb and reverse it. It is never too late. This is why I prefer opinion of Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal (ra). Allah will judge sahaba and He will not ask them about us too.

So the CHRISTIANs use this for strategic purposes not for love and affection for Islam. FAR FROM IT.

Human beings will always have issues with this type of reasoning; having a siege mentality. Instead of solving a problem you accuse the person that point out flaws as the bad person. I told you in my previous post that there is no perfect religion but you always say otherwise.

If you watch CNN everyday, they bash Christianity, Catholics more than they bash Islam.

Empiree:
You see, you will be making mistake made in the past. This is what Jamiu Adegunwa was saying, that Christians would say things in Islam to cause further disunity like the West are currently doing siding with Saudi over silly things to hate their fellow muslims. I don't entertain that one bit. It is a trick.

And ones they done with Saudi's alleged enemies, they come for Saudi and finish it off. And at that time, Saudi will not have any backings from fellow muslims. It is the same with Sunni/Shia. They poke their nose in what doesn't concern them and side with Shia for their comfort theoretically to chase Sunni away. When it is btw them and Shia, they start using all types of tricks and use Sunni text against Shia. At that time it will be difficult for Sunni to defend Shia.



This is why there was a saying:


"Islam is a religion without men (men made of dud-recycle paper brain). Christianity is men made of steel-stealth brain but without religion"



I have my reservation for sahaba altogether. The wisest thing to do in my opinion is to avoid speaking on differences except for academic purposes when necessary. Again, Allah will not ask us what sahaba did or didn't do. Q2:141.

This Ayah alone kills all types of arguments regarding sahaba to cause problems within the ummah. As you can see, Shia made that mistake by making it their aqeeda to curse some sahaba. Now shia Ulama are struggling to curb and reverse it. It is never too late. This is why I prefer opinion of Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal (ra). Allah will judge sahaba and He will not ask them about us too.

So the CHRISTIANs use this for strategic purposes not for love and affection for Islam. FAR FROM IT.

Human beings will always have issues with this type of reasoning; having a siege mentality. Instead of solving a problem you accuse the person that point out flaws as the bad person. I told you in my previous post that there is no perfect religion but you always say otherwise.

Empiree:
Don't think one bit that I'm here to entertain you. You being a confused Christian, how does this concern you?. I am well aware of Christian tactics long enough.

Check my post, I have condemned my fellow Christians many times. I am against so many things happening in the Christendom and I can highlight them if you don't mind. Religion should not make us deny facts or tell the truth.

Empiree:
Thought provoking. It is good to learn their history truthfully. I am heartbroken reading your highlighted part.

However, I maintained that they must be respected still regardless for as long as we see them as Muslims. Otherwise, everyone would be insulting sahaba all the time. And whatever mistakes we see in them should be only used for educational purposes not mockery and insult.

As aadoiza rightly said, it is very bad and very unfortunate to learn about sahaba from nonmuslims especially if you're not firmly grounded. You could easily sway. Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal(ra) simply did not want to cause schisms in the ummah was probably the reason he summoned muslims to respect and honor them regardless of their shortcomings.

Remember that Allah will not ask any of us about the actions of each sahabi and generations before us. Their accounts are with Him(SWT).

The sahabas never made any mistake bro. Stop covering evil out of religious conviction. Their action was pre-meditated and worthy of condemnation. How can you, without iota of conscience, develop a very strong sense of hatred against the family of your prophet which eventaully resulted into the death of his entire family? And for the records, the actions of Abu Bakr, Umar Ibn Kathab and Uthman ibn Affan (the first three righty guided khalifa) technically eliminated the entire household of the prophet, the event which resulted into the current ideological difference between the shia and the sunnis. Any moral soul should be reasonable in condemnation their 'game of throne' among the muslim ummah.

This history is never taught in any mainstream Muslim school. How can you avoid the mistake of the past when you don't want to learn form history? How can genuine healing be possible without reconciling the mistake of the past and teach the future generation to live in harmony and to avoid the same mistakes again?

AlBaqir:
Iran practically does not exist in science and technological advancements before 1979 Islamic revolution. Then, just like Arab world depended solely on western world. IRAN success bloom after the revolution.

Again, you need to go and read more about US efforts to isolate Iran in the global stage. If you can see and understand that fact, you will realize why there is "zero" Iranian products of science and technology in the global market.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_sanctions_against_Iran


Department of State

The United States has imposed restrictions on activities with Iran under various legal authorities since 1979, following the seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/iran/index.htm

https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/iran/index.htm

There is no sanction that the US will impose on Iran that can be as tough as the one they imposed on Russia during the soviet era. Yet, the Russians came out technologically superior in advance technologies. Sanctions works only on poor and developing countries.

According to present index on technologically advanced countries, Iran is still among developing countries in terms of human capital development (though Iran has a very high index among the Muslim world in term of human capital development). What I expected you to say is that Iran has the highest prospect of being a very scientifically and technologically developed nation in the nearest future, but for now, they are still learning.

On the ballistic missile development, 90% of their R & D is controlled and coordinated by the Russians. If the Russians withdraw their technical support on this field, the Iranian may not have the know-how to continue with the rocket science development.

AlBaqir:
Are you in this world of information dear brother?
U.S. is using all her energy to isolate Iran from the word. IRAN is battling economic sanctions since 1979 till date. Thanks to the U.S. So in such grave situation, how do you expect Iranian products to hit the global market?
Even if your international passport showed you have visited Iran, consider U.S. and her allies almost forbidden for you to enter especially during Trump administration. IRAN has worked forward to beat that by introducing electronic visa:
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/11/24/580942/Iran-hopes-Evisa-can-attract-more-foreign-tourists


Only China, Russia, North and South Korea, Japan, India, Pakistan continue to trade and exchange progressive achievement with Iran despite U.S. bully. Other nations have succumbed to the bully. Imagine the only market that Saudi is selling fast is terrorism and because of her surrender to the U.S., she's selling it fast.

During Obasanjo's administration (around 2006/7), Nigeria benefited immensely from Iranian products. The then Iranian President visited Nigeria where he stated their success over the years. Iranian engineers were ready to help Nigeria build world standard refinery. Iranian engineers were ready to teach Nigeria various technology know how including car production etc. Then, Nigeria joined G8 +1 comprises of Arab-Muslim oil producing Nation.

In the long run, nothing fruitful came out. OBJ is western world's puppet and when GEJ entered office, he pledge his full allegiance to Israel and US cutting off Iran completely.

Before the sanction, which brand of consumer product does Iran export to Nigeria? There are hundreds of countries without US sanction and yet I am yet to see anything they export to Nigeria. You need to understand that there are countries with global recognition for science and technology and I don't think Iran belong to that 'club' yet.

AlBaqir:
You can contact the address attached on the photos to learn more.

https://financialtribune.com/articles/sci-tech/43902/iran-s-scientific-success

Normally you don't expect western propaganda media to promote their enemy's progress, and they can project and lie about theirs.


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A 2010 report by Canadian research firm Science-Metrix has put Iran in the top rank globally in terms of growth in scientific productivity with a 14.4 growth index followed by South Korea with a 9.8 growth index.[193] Iran's growth rate in science and technology is 11 times more than the average growth of the world's output in 2009 and in terms of total output per year, Iran has already surpassed the total scientific output of countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Israel, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Austria or that of Norway.[194][195][196] Iran with a science and technology yearly growth rate of 25% is doubling its total output every three years and at this rate will reach the level of Canadian annual output in 2017.[197]

The report further notes that Iran's scientific capability build-up has been the fastest in the past two decades ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran

I am not dismissing your claim; I only see a form of exaggeration in your claim. No doubt the Persians are smart people and are making scientific progress, but when you place them side by side with great scientific powers (the US, Japan, Germany, China, Britain, Russia, France, South Korea, France, Italy, the Netherlands, etc) you will discover that they still lag behind.

I can hardly see any consumer products that are made in Iran. I am yet to see any phone, TV, computer, car, Aeroplane, etc that are made in Iran.

aadoiza:
I feel you, my brother. The first time I heard how the so-called pious sahaba were warring amongst each other when rosool(SAW) had just left them, i lost 95% of my respect for them. I have never been so gutted in my life. Worse still, I learned it from a Christian. I could never have imagined those sahaba actually descended so low.
If I didn't know better I could have left the fold of Islam in the wake of the truth about the sahaba.

For me the action of the sahabas were based on what they learn from the prophet; especially the activities of early Muslims in medina prior the demise of the prophet.

Any religion fraught with violence and animosity against the 'non-believers' will sure affect the actions and the behavioral patterns of the adherents against the 'non-believers'.

I understand that Persia was a great civilization, since the time of Cyrus the great, long before Islam. However I have some misgivings in most of your claims. Where do you get all these statistics that portray Iran as a great scientific power?

AllenSpencer:
Ladipo market

Alaba international market, and

Trade fair should be closed till after election.


Those guys need to be starved before election so they wont have energy to wail

A typical afonja (Omoluabi) evil mindset.

najib632:
"That means that much credit should be given to Abu Bakr for the battle of Badr" -


I don't understand what you mean by the above sentence, please elaborate.

You persist so much on attributing violence to Muslims, the rebels were the ones who wanted to attack Medina.

If it was men that were guarding Islam, then Islam would have perished. When the prophet Muhammad S.A.W. was on his sick bed he ordered an expedition against the Byzantine empire to retaliate against the attacks of the battle of Mu'tah and he assigned Usama bin Zaid R.A. as the commander. Immediately the messenger of Allah S.A.W. died and Abubakar R.A. became the Khalifah, he ordered Usama R.A. to march to Tabuk. Usama R.A. told Abubakar R.A. that he fears that if he should march out the apostates will attack Medina.

But Abubakar R.A. did not relent on the orders of the messenger of Allah S.A.W. and then Allah made Usama R.A. to understand Abubakar R.A. so he obeyed and marched out. The apostates surrounded Medina each of the apostate tribes claiming to have a prophet of their own. Zakat is among the five pillars of Islam, anyone who does not believe in it has become a kafir, and anyone who believes in it and does not give it out without any valuable excuse is a grave sinner.

This claim is hard to verify. Controversial stories like this often have different versions, based on the bias or the motive of the narrator.

Empiree:
your antics will not work with me obviously. Take Iran and Saudi for instance, do you have proof that they kill Muslims because they evade or deny zakat?. Onus is on you to prove this. You need to understand there are other sohaba with different rulings after Abu Bakr (ra). So Muslim countries may choose whichever is in their best interest. However, do they even take zakat collection serious anymore?. I'm sure no. If they enforce and collect zakah from the rich in Nigeria, I am sure poverty would be lessened. Rich people who don't pay faces wrath of the law. This is equivalent of what modern Western has. They have their ruling which is to severely penalize tax evaders. The punishments range from hefty fines (money) to jail.



I know you have motives. What we discussed here is issue of ruling on apostates by Abu Bakr (ra) but you amalgamated all ahadith so you can say later "why do you use Hadith to pray your daily prayers since it is ancients times, and this is modern time?"

I got you

I am not trying to put you on the defensive but to have an honest conversation with you on this. You need not be paranoid. I never said any zakat evader has been killed in this contemporary time, but that the action of Abu Bakr can be used for oppressive ruling whenever a political system, or atmosphere, permits that.

You don't have a make a wrong insinuation based on an obviously biased mindset. My motive is clear; I reject Abu Bakr's approach in dealing with tax defaulters.

Empiree:
Again, you are comparing ancient treatment approach to comtemporary world. Even modern world before they transformed their system they used to be very cruel at least in their 18 century. For the fact that they still punish tax evader is a proof. Besides, why is this your business though?. You have sinister agenda?.

Abu Bakr (ra) was long gone. Obviously the judgement he passed on apostates has no meaning in our modern world. Again the question I posed was did Abu Bakr punish those apostates solely for refusing to pay zakah or for rejecting or denying zakah as atenet if Islam?. Since you chose to contribute go ahead and answer this.

The issue relating to how Abu Bakr treated apostates, and zakat offenders, is important because it is a prelude to any Islamic ruling in many part of the Muslim world on zakat-related matters. For the fact that you are not in a sharia-complaint country does not mean that it must not be discussed. If, for whatever reason, you don't want it discussed 'no wahala'. You should also understand that the ulamas, in many countries, has issued various fatwas based on the recorded actions of the sahabas, and not the prophet himself.

You said I am comparing ancients times with the modern times, if so why is the hadith so important in the Muslim world? The hadith is an ancient text material which are still being used as a guide in many Muslim countries.

Ewedegubbler:
Afonjaistic Muslima strikes again.

Guy you really cracked me up. AFONJA ajoka!

Empiree:
You are comparing those days to this modern time?. Even at that, so called civilization kill people like chicken. Go to fb and you will see south americans the way they kill for fun. Those days, they may kill for "silly things". Today, those "silly things" are punishable by fines. So you dont blame them. Those days a king would simply killed for being mocked at by ordering head of someone. Today, they still do it by sanctions which kill innocent civilians. But for me, i do not distinguish modern civilization from ancient times in this situation.

Abu Bakr's government'was meant to be a theocratic government based on the sunnah of the prophet. If he cannot follow the sunnah (the Islamic prophet did not kill people who refused to pay zakat) then we can conclude that he run his government the way he likes. Abu Bakr killing 'apostates' (as against q2:256) and the people that did not pay zakat is a sign of the brutality of his government which drived Umar Ibn Kathab into further ruthlessness against all dissident.

Justifying the action of Abu Bakr using the US tax system is 'no-go' moral equivalence. The US operates a modern taxation system which can never be compared with the crude zakat system and defaulters are punished marginally in proportion to their 'crime'. In most cases you don't enjoy social benefit when you don't pay tax and if the tax evasion is on a high side, the government can decide to throw the defaulter to a limited jail term. There is also room for tax holiday and tax refund for 'loyal' citizens who pay tax promptly.

The moral equivalence you try to create here is wrong.

AlBaqir:
It was narrated from ‘Awf bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:

“The Jews split into seventy-one sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy in Hell. The Christians split into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which will be in Hell and one in Paradise. I swear by the One Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, my nation will split into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two in Hell.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allah, who are they?” He said: “ The Jama’ah”

Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 3992 In-book reference : Book 36, Hadith 67 English translation : Vol. 5, Book 36, Hadith 3992 https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/36/67

Most of the hadith are gossip and Chinese whisper and can never be reliable as absolute truth. This particular hadith can never been an exception.

It is intellectually honest to make a claim that are defensible and not conjectures or 'hear-says'.

As we all know, Donald Trump is now the 45th president of United States of America. And as a tradition, prayers are offered after a successful transition of power. While leaders of other major religions were invited for prayers, Pastors, catholic priest and a Jewish rabbi, no Muslim imam was invited.

Is this good or bad, right or wro[/quote]k

Empiree:
In addition to the above, ^ modern tax system begins to tax you the moment you are considered adult whether you make money or not unless you can display you have no job or disabled. Zakat is tax. Tax is zakat. It is very serious thing that we seem to overlook. The West don't take it lightly at all.

Famous Hollywood actor, Wesley Snipe was jailed for evading tax and many many more were jailed for tax fraud. Why would Abu Bakr decision be any different?

Waging war on zakah evaders was his way of enforcing tax on them. Of course in modern time they not gonna kill bcus of tax but some people serve significant jail time for tax evasion or pay hefty fines.

True to a degree but the killing is socially unacceptable.

AlBaqir:
First, it is not "battle of badr" but "battle of ridda".

Thanks for the correction.

najib632:
Some of the Apostates were still mourning the death of the messenger of Allah S.A.W, some were his companions, while some of the them became apostates because of greed and power. They had to be dealt with in order to preserve, Islam. I swear by Allah there are no leaders from amongst the Christian rulers that are even close to the piety of Abubakar R.A, Umar R.A, Uthman R.A and Ali R.A. All the people that caused fitnah are lovers of the world and Allah will Judge them. Since when that Jew named Abdullah ibn Sabah became a Muslim in order to cause problems amongst the Muslims. He started to spread lies about Usman R.A in Medina, he failed. Then he went to greater Syria, were there wasn't a great presence of the companions of the messenger of Allah S.A.W, he succeeded in this until he was able to cause the death of Usman R.A.
Another problem was when some of the companions refused to listen to Ali R.A. Mu'awiyya R.A refused to reason with Ali R.A, this caused the troubles to escalate. Mu'awiyya R.A later became the khalifah after the death of Ali R.A and after Hassan ibn Ali R.A abdicated. Out of carelessness tyrants were appointed as governors, these caused the massacre of the lineage of the prophet Muhammad S.A.W and there's no one to blame for their deaths but the people of Kuffah and their governor. Yazid will also take a share of the blame for not executing the murderers, there's a hadith that said he cried when he saw the head of Hussein R.A, but I say that his tears were crocodile tears since he didn't execute the murderers. He let one of the descendants of Hussein R.A survive and that's Ali ibn Hussein commonly known as Zayn al-abideen. The same thing happened when the son of Zayn al-abideen went to Kuffa and the same thing was carried out by the people of Kuffa whom have become shia. The shia will come and say things out of ignorance.

You said the apostates has to be dealt with in order to preserve Islam. In order words, if Abu Bakr had not fought the apostates, Islam would have collapsed. That means that much credit should be given to Abu Bakr for the battle of Badr, at least from your own point of view.

If Abu Bakr will fight a civil war to keep Islam from collapsing, why did you the conclude that Islam is a peaceful religion?