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Empiree:
Alfa apalara

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What is the significant of all these?

Empiree:
and malvisguy2012. Damn, we missed crazy ppl here. The way true2god sounds lately got me thinking where he stands between christianity and atheism

Never an atheist bro.

Rilwayne001:
I know.. I know. I deliberately asked that even though I know he'll deflect it. He's always being a closet atheist that passionately hate Islam. I'm sure Truthman2012 is somewhere doing same too. Or probably somewhere collecting tithe. That one appears to like money than anything.. Haha

The bolded is a lie; never an atheist and never hate Muslims. I am however against Mohammed and his sahabas for their savagery and ability to brainwash and deceive the medieval Arabs.

Rilwayne001:
What of the 3in1 God?

This is the topic: There's No God But Allah?

Rashduct4luv:
Don't confuse yourself. We do not regard everyone as Muslims. They are better regarded as marabout posing as a Muslim. We also have atheist posing as Christians/Muslims. In actuality, they are not Muslims.

In Summary:

Fortune telling throws one out of Islam.
It's either Islam or Idol worship and never both!

One man's idle worship is another man's true worship. Over 99% of Christians believe that the idea of kissing a stone, throwing stones at an imaginary devil, in Saudi Arabia is a form of idol worship while Muslims take it as a religious ritual. It all depends on the side of the camp you belong.

Empiree:
so you are now a reformed "moderate Christian"?

You are right bro.

Empiree:
you no longer remember Finland Igbo lady yrs ago?

Oh I do remember. That was some years back before the Islamic section was moved away from public access.

Empiree:
so you are admitting that in the days of ifeann you were dogmatic and hating Islam for no apparent reason

What do you mean by the bolded, in the days of ifeann?

Rashduct4luv:
Islam and idolatry is separate and distinct. Some Suffis are guilty of idolatry and this varies! Some of there deeds turns them to non-Muslims!

But they are still regarded as Muslims and equally made up of the estimated 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide. Mind you, the shia are equally regarded as non-muslims in saudi arabia where the sunnis are the majority.

Rashduct4luv:
Fortune telling is not a Muslim thing. It belongs to the idol worshipers and the magicians! What is being portrayed in the Yoruba movies is disbelief in Islam.

I never said fortune telling is a Muslim thing but both of us know that there are many Islamic cleric who are fortune tellers. Most of them use the quran to sanction their trade. I have seen many bro. As I said earlier, the Yorubas, just like many black Africans, have their traditional religion that their forefathers have practiced for hundreds of years and it will be unfair and unwise to make Arabian god superior to theirs. The mantra there is no god but Allah is a statement that denies Africans and non-muslims' spirituality which is an anathema to the plurality of human religious consciousness. Separate and diverse cultures will always have a god indigenous to their society and culture.

sarahade:
I'm tired of seeing men think women will fall for their scam hiding under religion. Thank God divorce is permitted misbehave and see if any reasonable woman will wait. Awon psycho

Lol. Take am easy abeg.

Empiree:
See this man speaks like muslim lately. You are so close to muslims now than before. You know deep down your heart Islam is the truth. You just trying to hold on to the shell on the other side. Drop that shell, buddy.

You are being delusional. I open my mind to a rational discussion and never again blinded by religious dogma. We are all human beings being artificially separated by religion.

Rashduct4luv:
The 90% Alfas you know are Marabouts under the garment of Islam just as you and Tintingz are atheist hiding under the garment of theistic religion![/b] Magic in Saudi Arabia, that's complete fallacy. Magicians are to be executed!

There is no god worthy of being worshiped except Allah!

The sufis, and to an extent, the alawite, are the mystic arms of Islam. You cannot expect them to start exposing their activities to the public in saudi arabia. The saudis, aside Islam which is used for public-image religion, maintained their traditional cultures and gods which they still practiced in the closet. The saudi royal family still practice sufism till date. If you study how the sufis practice Islam, I swear you wont condemn your Ifa priest anyone.

I am always thrilled seeing Yoruba movies where they promote their indigenous culture; that's what reasonable people do.

Rashduct4luv:
This is a big fat lie with a little bit of truth! The gods in Yoruba are regarded as intermediary that brings them closer to Olodumare/Eledumare which is the supreme deity! And this is similar in Igbo too. The 90% Alfas you know are Marabouts under the garment of Islam just as you and Tintingz are atheist hiding under the garment of theistic religion! Magic in Saudi Arabia, that's complete fallacy. Magicians are to be executed!

There is no god worthy of being worshiped except Allah!

Years of religious indoctrination. It is wrong for anyone to super-impose an Arabian or a Jewish god on our local gods. How can Allah be the supreme god while IFA a lesser god? Aside from Islamic source document, there is no practical prove that Allah is superior to sango or IFA. I can bet you that, practically, IFA is much more effective than Allah.

A colleague of mine, who is a christian, was wrongly accused of stealing. They went to a traditional priest in Offa, Kwara state, Nigeria, to verify who was responsible for the theft. Lo and behold the old IFA priest opened a mirror, covered with a red cloth, and made some incantation. Bro, the guy who stole the stuff was shown on the mirrow, like a CCTV camera recording, all the steps he took before stealing those stuffs were shown in the mirrow. The thief confessed and returned the stolen items. I swear no any Allah or any Arabian god that can do this.

If you go through the history of islam by al-tabari, you will understand that the pre-islamic Arab people equally regarded Allah as a god and never promoted to a pre-eminent status we have now. Mohammed's grandfather, Abdulmutalib, named his son Abdullah (slave of Allah) to reference their local god Allah, just as a traditional Yoruba Ifa worshiper will name his son Ifadeyi or daughter Ifabunmi , all in reference to Ifa.

The idea of elevating Allah to a far superior status only happened after Mohammed's success in defeating other Arab tribes and bringing them together under a common religious and political control. If Mohammed had failed in his religious mission, you might perhaps never heard anyone Allah, except you are born within the perimeter of Mecca or Medina.

abdulazeez1002:
I'll still continue to give you the answer.

It is impossible to have another god aside Allah

There are gods that control the affair of every nation and territory. The idea that an Arabian god is the only god that trumps all other culture's and people gods is a supremacist ideology that doesn't add up.

The Igbos have Arunsi, Amadioha (god of thunder), Olisa, etc are their gods. The Yorubas have Ifa (god of divination), Ogun (god of iron), Osun (the river goddess), Sango (god of thunder), etc and these gods have been very practically effective in the society in the pre-islamic Igbo and Yoruba era.

Saying it is impossible to have another god except Allah is outright downgrading of our African mysticism to promote an Arab mysticism. And FYA, over 90% of Yoruba alfa still practice African religion but most of them hide it while some do not care. I have many Alfa (muslim clerics) friends who are 100% involved in IFA divination as a source of livelihood. Even in Saudi Arabia, they have some Islamic sect, especially the sufis, that are totally engaged in black magic and mysticism, most of who are patronized by the rich and influntial people.

The idea of 'there is no god but Allah' is a lie; other people and culture have their own gods and concepts of god.

irukandji89:
It should be your business if you will quote me.
This Hadith is portraying our prophet to be hypersexual, sleeping with 9 wives in one night.

And that he does it every night.

And you're saying it doesn't contradict another one that also says he prays every night for long hours till his feet become swollen.

How long will someone stand till his feet become swollen?


How many hours was he spending with his wives or was it an orgy?

I believe the Hadith about him sleeping with all his wives in one night is fake, and should be discarded.

It's a disgusting account.

This hadith by Anas Ibn Malik is very fake and must be discarded. It is not possible for a man to sleep with 9 woman in one night. I wonder why they included this stuff in the hadith.

This is to show that sahih Bukhari is not completely sahih; there are many wrong stuffs in there.

starbuck:
God why didn't you create me in a country where life matters


I hope the kid is still alive

You can still migrate; never too late.

MrThisandthat:
What do you expect from a country that persecuted the living day light out of Israelites

Which Israelite? Stop brainwashing yourself.

Mynd44:
But why is it that the first thing people assume is that they are sleeping around?

Is it a sign of inferiority complex or plain idiocy?

Cool down bro, don't say what you don't know. I have a girlfriend who was into 'NOLLYWOOD' and I will never encourage any decent lady to venture into it. Over 90% of the so-called successful female actresses are advanced 'OLOSHO'.

iamgenius:
May Allah bless you.
Some sisters thought covering the clothes with their hijab makes it permissible. You won't want to see what some sisters wear beneath their hijab or khimaar nowadays. They are saddening. May Allah guide us.

Are you ok?

Uyi168:
Kk...

So funny and so true. In the absence of kafir, the Muslims fight fellow hypocrites Muslims.

Antipob777:
Bobrisky my hero, my mentor, my role model. All your enemies shall bow to your feet.

Ride on my beloved sister. Love you for life. We are too proud of you.

Are you ma....?

najib632:
O, I made a mistake it's a hadith not from the Qur'an, I didn't pay attention to the name of the thread I thought you were quoting me from this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/3912955/lessons-learn-prophet-musa-pbuh

Thank you for the humble retraction.

najib632:
As long as it's in the Qur'an then it is true.

AlBaqir:
1. PROPHET MUSA ALLEGEDLY RUNNING AFTER A ROCK NAKED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE: LIES ATTRIBUTED TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (s) said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet (s) Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."



Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 278
In-book reference : Book 5, Hadith 30
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 277
https://www.sunnah.com/bukhari/5/30

This is nothing but tale of the berbers. It worth not commenting on.

I don't know how this stuff can be in the Koran; something is terribly wrong in your claim. If someone, outside the fold of Islam, tells you this stuff as a truly occurred event, I am very sure you will doubt the integrity and the emotional soundness of the individual. Religion should not lock our ability to reason.

Empiree:
You still have no valid excuse. As I said before, it was common practice those days and was not limited to Arabs to marry young women. If you want muslims to condemn their Prophet for this, then you need to go back to history really quick and tell us if at any point in Islamic history he was condenmed for marrying 6yrs old Aisha(ra).

Prophet muhammad's(saw) worst enemies did not even complain or condemn him for marrying "a child". They could have easily used this against him to embarrass and dent his image. But none of his enemies did that. Not even the worst of them all, Abu Lahab whom a verse of Qur'an was dedicated to in the worst possible manner.

So if his archenemies did not use this against him it means they seen nothing wrong with it or it was common norm then or Aisha was old enough for marriage. Therefore, it is unsuitable for a 21 century mentality to condemn what was actually norm in 6 century.

We can speak the same of unclothedness. It used to be seen as local, uneducated and uncivilized. But today, unclothedness is synonymous to civilization.

Empiree:
this is nonesense you know. You can try harder next time to excuse Vatican. Quran clearly says that he(saw) married WOMEN which indicate there was no child amongst his wives.

This is your claim.

true2god:
Aisha was a child of 6yrs when rasool Allah engaged him and consummated the marriage when she was 9 yrs old. A girl of 9 is not a woman, not even matured enough to be called a teenager. The Vatican was/is open in condemning/dismissing any priest who engaged in pedophilia, can/will Muslims condemn their prophet for doing the same?

This is my response.
You made claim that all the prophet's wives were 'WOMEN' and I told you that a 6 yr old can never be put into that category. The hadith, in many instances, said Aisha was still a kid when mohammed engaged her.
It is equally disingenous to claim that nothing wrong with marrying a prebuscent girls in medivial era because the society permitted it as a norm but I can tell you that no civilization encouraged such. You can provide a reference to back up your claim.

If mohammed was the last and the greatest prophet, he should have known better than his peers that marrying an under-age girl is immoral. According to some hadith narrations, it was claimed that mohammed stopped female infaticide, why didnt he stop child marriage as well. In today's saudi arabia, can you tell me the age limit for marriage since we are no longer living in the medivial era?

najib632:
I don't see anything wrong with the hadith though...

Are for real that you don't see anything wrong with the hadith? If you believe the hadith to be true, you can as well believe any tales by moonlight or bed side stories to make children sleep at night.

Empiree:
this is nonesense you know. You can try harder next time to excuse Vatican. Quran clearly says that he(saw) married WOMEN which indicate there was no child amongst his wives.

Aisha was a child of 6yrs when rasool Allah engaged him and consummated the marriage when she was 9 yrs old. A girl of 9 is not a woman, not even matured enough to be called a teenager. The Vatican was/is open in condemning/dismissing any priest who engaged in pedophilia, can/will Muslims condemn their prophet for doing the same?

Zoharariel:
They will first blackmail you if your hands are dirty (e.g siphoning your Nation's fund into an offshore account overseas).

And If you're clean (which is impossible) & still vocal, they will send their intelligence operatives to wipe out your entire family.

Like Muammar Gaddafi, you will keep running & running until they eventually get to you.

Remember it was also this same France that triggered the invasion of Libya in spite of Sarkozy collecting over €50Million Euros bribe from Gaddafi for his 2007 re-election campaign. To show you how callous & parasitic these bastards are.

Till this day, all Francophone Countries still pay "Colonial Taxes" to France.

There are brave leaders in Afrika, It's just that none of them are willing to die young.

Look at the issue of Boko Haram & Al-Shabaab, you think the President, Ministers, DSS, DHQ & some Senators do not know that those terrorists are being sponsored by foreign intelligence communities?

Let anyone of them come out and say it on TV and he will be bombed by a drone the next day. Abi you think say the Amerikan Drone Base in Niger Republic was built to combat terrorism? You better wake up.

The base is a tool built to keep your leaders in-check. And they have tons of intelligence operatives all over Afrika - especially Nigeria.

If you ever ascend the ladder of national leadership, at a point, you will have to choose between your Country and your family. This is the reason I do not blame Obasanjo, IBB, Danjuma & Gusau for being Nigeria's biggest political sellouts.

When I was a lad, I had always hoped to fight on the side of the good against the evil but as one grows older, reality begins to give you hard knocks.

Good things & good people do not last. This is the reason I hold this particular Chanakya quote so dearly:

Do not be very upright in your dealings for you would see by going to the forest that straight trees are cut down while crooked ones are left standing.

You want to fight Boko Haram, you want to speak against the powers that be but ..... are you ready to pay with the lives of your loved ones?

We often blame our leaders (which is well deserved) but trust me, if you find yourself in their shoes, you'd probably do worse than them.

If you know the number of Senators, retired Army Generals & Top Guns that have been bought by the CIA & Mossad - working against the interest of Nigeria, you will first weep and then understand why Nigeria can never get better.

The intrigues & acrimonious powerplay that have beset the Ajaokuta Steel Complex by various interests since the early 90s after it was built by Russia (Tyaz Prom Export) should open your eyes.

That is why the good people of the world are embracing Mother Russia from all over the world for daring to stand up to the hegemony of the Great Satan.

Even as powerful as Mother Russia is, count the number of her Ambassadors that have been assassinated by the "Cocaine Importing Agency" (CIA) just for sticking her nose into Syria.

In conclusion, unless WW3 breaks out and Amerika, Britain, France, Israel & Saudi-Arabia are nuked into vapour, nothing will ever change.

Excellent! Respect!

Empiree:
To say he committed war crime is not considered blasphemy. I don't think I ever learned that from any scholar. The statement simply requires enlightenment in the light of historical context, and then point out their own war comes to them in the modern era to show that they have no moral justification to talk trash about the prophet (saw). They committed humanitarian crimes against Africans.

As for sleeping with a 9yr old girl, unless they wanna be hypocritical and insincere, they know too well throughout history of man, that warriors, warlords, Kings, chiefs etc married young girls even in medieval time. That being said, it becomes blasphemy should they insist on vilifying prophet (saw) for sleeping with a girl. He's not here to defend himself now but one thing is clear, Vatican and other non-Muslim sects are filled with pedophilias and they are proud of it. So what's the point of blaming a man who lived over 1400 yrs ago for the same practice they themselves engage in?.

Creating a moral equivalence will not nullify the fact that marrying a 6yr old girl, and sleeping with her at age 9, is nothing but pedophilia. For the fact that it was done in the past does not make it morally acceptable either then or now. It was/is wrong.

Mohammed, regarded as a perfect conduct to emulate by Muslims, should have known that sleeping with a 9yr old girl, while the man is 54, is evil and morally unacceptable. Lumping the Vatican, medieval kings, old warriors into the argument does not exonerate the depraved character that married and sleep with a minor as young as 9 yrs old. The love for the prophet should never make one....

usermane:
Regardless of the fanatics, in light of the aforementioned verses, non-Muslims should be free to make statements as "Muhammad was a false prophet, Muhammad was morally wrong to sleep with a 9 years old kid, Muhammad's massacre of Banu Qurayza is war crime".

These statement while blasphemous, do not directly insult or curse Muhammad and to punish or censor the speaker is not Qur'anically legit.

In informal or unofficial matters between persons, blasphemy or insulting of religion is no concern of the state, it does not threaten peace & diplomacy at a society level and so should be overlooked by the state.

The bolded will surely lead to an early grave for anyone who say such thing in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Sudan, etc. If I say such thing in the US, Canada and Europe, I cant go scot-free, because Muslims are in the minority.

While I appreciate your attempt at moderating the reactions of Muslims with regards to criticism of religion, do not spread a wrong information concerning an issue like this.

usermane:
Reconciling Courtesy & Tact With Freedom to Blaspheme

In official or formal discourse, Freedom for blasphemy may need be limited for the sake of peace and courtesy, so unwarranted insult and cursing of religion may be censored by the state. But polite criticism of religion must be permitted as criticism is needed for intellectual and rational discourse on religion.

For moderate Muslims, this is reasonable. But not so for the fanatic Muslims, because they can't even stand criticism - as seen from the cases above, they lump criticism of Islam with insulting of Islam and desire to harm/censor anyone whose statements or observations on Islam is negative.

Cont. Below

Criticism of Islam is termed blasphemy by all the 5 schools of Islamic jurisprudence. The so-called radical muslims are simply following core Islamic teachings, or the sunnah.

Zeezxo:
Guy why you run here they comment pls go and meet them. There next program will be held in Sango Ota Ogun State. Don't fight the shadow face the reality.

The ACADIP guy is a charlattan. Someone asked him 2 questions when he went to Ladilak-Bariga Lagos, December 2018. The first question was why Mohammed was afflicted with a black magic and why will Mohammed sanction rape and sex slavery (quran 4:24). The guy was confused, quiet and suddenly started doing a mental gymnastic on the questions with no coherent response.

Jesus Akbar! Allah has lost another member to God.