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AbuUbayy1:
Q&A: Can He Have Intercourse with the Woman He Illegally Impregnated?
Translation: Abu Ubayy Sharif Hamzah
Questioner: Someone asked me (to ask this question), that he impregnated a woman (in an unlawful sexual contact) and he was admonished to get married to the lady (in question). He wants to know if he can start having intercourse with her now that they have done a aqdun-nikaah.
Secondly, he wants to know if the aqdun-nikaah (he did after the Zina) can legitimise the child such that he can inherit him.
http://simplysalafiyyah.com/women-r.php?id=30&q&a:--can-he-have-intercourse-with-the-woman-he-illegally-impregnated?

Why sleep with a woman who you cannot marry? Must every issue be viewed with a religious 'lense'? God give us brain to use bro!

Rashduct4luv:
Aamin! Alhamdulillah for the religion of Haneef (Islamic Monotheism) and verily this is the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David),...., Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John the Baptist), 'Eesa (Jesus son of Mary) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). All of them are not of those who join gods with Allah!

May our end be in Islam! Aamin


Jazaak Allaahu khayran OP

So all these people are muslims: Abraham, Moses, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Jonah, Aaron, Solomon, David, Enoch, Isaiah, Lot, Zachariah, Elijah, Elisha, John the Baptist, Jesus.

Almost all of them are Jews and are already written about in Jewish books and history long before Islam. You never included names of other non-Jewish prophets who are from other continents, like the Chinese and the Indian prophets. Do you mean these people were not sent prophets too? Mohammed said that prophets are sent to every nation, why did Mohammed forget to mention the names of prophets sent to the Indians, Chinese, Africans and other nations as he claimed?

Rashduct4luv:
I will love to relocate to Saudiyyah with my family! Those queing to go to Europe have their reasons and in reality not all those who go there make it!

I believe in striving wherever i am as much as possible and whatever is destined for me will definitely be for me.

The question is what other religious law can be used to rule a home, province, state and country successfully if not Islam.

Does this include killing apostates, cutting off the hands of petty thieves (while the saudi royal family steal the oli wealth), preventing the christians and Jews from practicing their religion (while the saudis spend billions of dollars building mosques in the US and Europe), and marrying young girls as young as 6 years old?

Does it include imposing the jizya on non-muslims, and preaching hatred against the 'kafir' in your mosques and madrassas?

Rashduct4luv:
Islamic law is sufficient to rule a home, province, state and country whereas there's always conflict of interest in other human laws.

What other religious law is capable in this way?

Alhamdulillah for the religion of Truth!

If your claim is true, millions of Muslims won't be queuing at their various embassies to relocate either to the US, Canada or Europe. I am 99% sure that you will prefer relocating to the US (who uses a man-made law) to Saudi Arabia (where there is 100% sharia law) if you are given the two countries as option.

Stop deceiving yourself bro!

Demmzy15:
Irrelevant to the topic being discussed, so I'll pass!



I only gave an explanation so as you won't think big of yourself, if I don't reply early, it is also due to the fact I'm busy. So I'm not a jobless tout like you!



Tintinz apostasy has nothing to do with your evangelism, this is what I stated initially.



You were there to count all of them abi illiterate! The explanation I gave is very simple and I'll repeat it again in case you have amnesia:

"The slave was freed because he became a Muslim, just as how Bilal who was a black was freed by Abu Bakr because he became Muslim. It was the custom of early Muslims to free other Muslims who are slaves."



Dunce!!! You think you know but you're very ignorant. Bilal's father was an Arab slave from the tribe of Banu Jumah and his mother was from Abyssinia (Ethiopia). He had a dark skin just as how Usamah Ibn Zaid who was like a grandson to Prophet Muhammad also had a dark skin despite having an Arab Father. http://sahaba.net/bilal-rabah-family/



Shut up your dirty mouth, you've been exposed and now you're trying to turn the tables to hide your damned face. I never denied the Arabs conquered lands and territories as this was the norm then, so you don't have any point here. You claimed Sudan was conquered and the people enslaved and you've been proven to be a liar, no Arab armies entered Sudan and the Arabization of the country was done peacefully by it's own people. Rather admitting your failure, you saying rubbish!



Weren't the Byzantines at war with Muslims? if the Christians who started the war were defeated who's problem is that? Hope you're Okay?



I've explained this several times, I'll repeat this from my previous posts:

"Sudan is an example, that's how many communities became Arabs. The Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Sudanese, Bahrainis all became Arabs like this. I can't remember vividly the quote but it was by Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah who was probably a Kurd himself. That's how Islam is, you don't know anything. Rather than be arrogant, ask politely and we would teach you Islam. Being an Arab is similar to being a Latino; we have full white Latinos, we have mixed who are known as Mullatos and we have blacks who are Latinos. Yet all are called Latinos, don't be a dummy."



The Golden Age ended in the 13th century. When the Northerners were wearing clothes, your peoplewere still wearing leaves till the late 19th century. Your people had no connection with the outside world not until the Colonialists came (same cannot said with the Northerners), I'm even tempted to say Igbos would have surely been one of those primitive uncontacted tribes that existed in the Americas and India. Heck, Igbo Christians couldn't even translate English Bible to Igbo Language not until a YorubaMan did it for you. You should go and read about Northern Nigeria before Colonialism, and don't for a second think South East is better than North, that's a big fat lie.



I gave an example and hope you know that when you meet your enemies on the battlefield, you don't give them roses?



We are member of 'Commonwealth of Nations' because we were the a former colony of Britain and not because we speak English as there are many member countries whose official language ain't English such as: Cameroon and Bangladesh and some countries who are English speaking but ain't members such as: Republic of Ireland, Burundi and Liberia. So Arab League is a different case as it is for Arab Nations alone, you're just nagging about Sudan, what about Somalia who are blacks but members too?

Read about what is means to be an Arab https://al-bab.com/special-topics/who-are-arabs



When did he make this statement? I need proofs!

I never evangelized 'Tintinz'; he opened his mind to rational argument and left Islam. It's a fact that I have debated him many times; check my old posts.

I never counted the number of slaves owned by Mohammed and his sahabas; I only told you that over 99% of blacks that came in contact with mohammed were his slaves. If you have a fair knowledge of Statistics, you will understand better when someone makes a rough estimate using a hypothetical population. Can you mention a single black man/woman who was not Mohammed's or his companions' slave? As a said earlier, and will happily repeat it, your prophet did a trade by batter slavery by exchanging 2 black slaves for a white (Arab slave)

Stop lying and providing a 'taqiyya' link for me to adopt; Bilal never had a white (Arab) father. Your attempt at revising your own shameful history CANNOT erase the fact that your prophet started the business of enslaving black people long before the white missionaries set their foot on African soil. It is in your Islamic source documents and the Arabs are happy about it. Please put off that shameless BILAL tag your Arab master have place on you; it is shameful and a reminder of the Arab's imperial past and present.


I don't have much to say again about the Sudan. Your ignorance of black history, and the role of Arabs in Africa, is legendary.

The Byzantines were at war with the Muslims because Mohammed literarily declared war on all non-Muslims in his quest to bring them to the fold of the ummah (Quran 9:28-30, hadith 4:52;196 and sahih Muslim hadith 33). Omar ibn kathab took the battle to the non-Muslims in the Arabia and north Africa and conquered many land.

Using the Latinos to make a comparison with Arab is both ignorant and disingenuous on your part. The Latinos are found in both central and south America, most of whom are called the 'red Indians’ or 'native Americans'. Under racial classification, not a single Latino is identified as a negorid but whites. On the other hand, if a black-sudanese, a black-somali or a black-omani, obtain a US citizenship, no sane person will classify them as Arab-americans but black (or African) Americans. This is because they are not genetically or racially Arabs but chose to identify more with the Arabs as a result of over 1000 years of non-symbiotic social interaction which made them subservient to the Arabs and of a lower social status than the Arabs. I can choose to identify with group that I have both cultural and linguistic affinity with but that does not mean that I have to remove my genetic make-up and make a solid claim to a race I never belonged to. This is a classic example of the state the Sudanese and the somalians find themselves in.

Yes, the Igbos (like many black African nations) were primitive before the colonial era. The question is their current social and educational status and not their past. As at today, the Igbos has the highest female literacy rate in Africa and the middle east and are generally regarded as one of the most educated black ethnic group in the world. The medieval Mongols were more developed than the Japanese but today the Japanese are far more technologically and educationally advanced. The Igbos, as at today, are required on the average, to score above 65% to gain admission into any unity school in Nigeria while the Hausa-Fulanis on the average are expected to score 10% in order to secure admission. And as at today, Igbo kids are expected to score the highest to gain admission into any unity school in Nigeria compared to other tribes and ethnic groups in Nigeria. The bar has been set so high, academically, for Igbos and their kids.
What does this statistics tell you?

Islam steals too much time and mental ability from its adherents to be competitive in the intellectual arena. You cannot spend your youthful age and time memorizing the Qur'an and the hadith and expect to compete with Igbos who don't. That's simple logic and commonsense.

The 'commonwealth of nations' were former British colonies just as the Arab league is the union of nations formerly and/or currently under Arab dominion and control, especially after the Islamic conquest. The modern 'Arab League' countries is made people who were aboriginal Arabs from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, etc and their conquered territories such as Sudan, Somalia and Mauritania. It is only an ignorant people that will call these people native Arabs. Their membership of the Arab League does not make them ethnic or genetic Arabs. They are still genetically and biologically of black decent whose culture have been eroded by over 1000 years of unequal social relationship with their Arab masters.

tintingz:
You lack historical knowledge and fail to see the flaws in your logic.

Allah was never known has God in the Ancient Greece and other nations, they have their God/s. Allah is even a localized pagan god in some tribe in Saudi Arabia where Muhammad grew up. Claiming Allah sent prophets to all nation is false and has no proof, no one knows Allah as God be it ancient China, Africa, India, Europe etc stop giving empty claims.

Fairies were actually supernatural belief in Europe culture.

Various folk theories about the origins of fairies include casting them as either demoted angels or demons in a Christian tradition, as minor deities in pre-Christian Pagan belief systems, as spirits of the dead, as prehistoric precursors to humans, or as elementals.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy

Allah and Islam are alien to Africa, this was never the religion and God of our forefathers, read history and stop being ignorant.

Lol, since your father doesn't know about Santa other aged people don't know about Santa? For your information Santa Claus is called Father Christmas in Nigeria if you're confused who Santa is.

You still don't get, Allah is also seen as a mythical figure in other cultures. He doesn't exist to them, Hindus don't believe in Allah.

Again you can't disprove the existence of an imaginary entity just because some set of people believe in it even if it is just one person, you can't disprove the existence of Santa just because kids mostly believe in it, it is a belief system you can't disprove imaginary entities with that weak argument. Kids believe in Santa because Santa visit them.

Santa is for kids while God is like Santa for adults, two versions of imaginary beliefs.

True talk!

Demmzy15:
I didnt see your reply, I've got issues with my account and I've complained several times to the MODs. And be ready for a lot of cancellation of your posts as I don't have time to regurgitate the same stuffs over and over again.



Tintinz apostasy had nothing to do with your evangelism, so next?!



Already treated, when you're have new points holla me. I've cleared this before.



The Arabs were defeated in their advance into Sudan, so no Arab armies invaded them. The Blacks during the time of Prophet Muhammad were from Abyssinia and they were known to have dealings with the Arabs. The Abyssinians attacked and occupied Yemen, this is why Yemenis today are darker in completion. Bilal himself was an Afro-Arab as he had an Arab Father and a Black Mother.



Was the area conquered by sword or not? If it was by the sword, why then complain about Muslims taking it over from the Byzantines who were at war with them? The people of North Africa wanted independence from the Romans and they were forced back in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalic_War so I'll suggest you shut your hole up.



The culture of the English, Arabs and Yorubas are different. SO it doesn't go that way, I've given a clear explanation hence the cancellation.



The minorities still exist. We Chaldeans, Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds, etc still there. So what exactly are talking about?



Bla bla bla bla. You goofed and instead of you to admit you're pouring out more rubbish. The Islamic Golden cannot be denied, so whatever you're doing is to keep consoling yourself. And your illogical logic doesn't make sense here because, breakthroughs in science was accomplished not when they were under Arabs. The Iranians were ruling themselves independently and still made breakthroughs, the Arabs also made breakthroughs. The Islamic Golden age started under Haroun Ar Rashid, so it was under the Arabs that birthed it, so you can continue to wail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age Read for yourself, if you raise this issue again, I'll just cancel and show you this page.



Not every conquest is a massacre, the conquest of Spain wasn't a massacre, the conquest of North Africa wasn't a massacre, etc. The people who carried massacres in India weren't Arabs but Turko, Mongol, Persian and Afghan rulers. Was is this really hard to sink into your hard impervious head?




You'll ultimately kill yourself one day. Sudan is a member of the Arab League and they became a member after their independence. So whatever definitions you're giving is just to console yourself, you've failed already. And I noticed you didn't address any of the verses I posted from the bible.

I think you are suffering from the 'Allihamdu li lahi' virus. What is 'Allihamdu li lahi' virus and what are the symptoms. It is a virus from Arabia that affects cognitive dissonance of the patient which makes him lack critical thinking and sense of humanity. What are the symptoms? They are:

1. Lying to defend Islam/Mohammed.

2. Fighting to defend Islam/Mohammed

3. Using the hadith when it suits their argument; condemning the hadith when it does not fit into their argument.

4. Using propaganda to defend Islamic lies and global ambition.

5. Destabilizing any economic or political system which does not conform to the sunnah of their prophet. etc.

I need no explanation from you on what's wrong with your account; you are not accountable to me on that.

'Tintinz' apostasy has everything to do with divergent view which are critical to Islamic beliefs and practices. Many Muslims have deleted their account when they can no longer defend Islam and his messenger and many has left Islam.

You still need to deal with the fact that your prophet sold two black slaves to get one white slave (Arab slave) which effectively made him a slave trader. You can't also deny they fact that over 99% of all blacks that had contact with Mohammed and his sahabas were all slaves to the Arabs.

You are a liar to claim that Bilal had a white Arab father (which biologically and genetically made him an Arab) and his mother a black woman. There is no any Islamic document that gave that information. Bilal is regarded as a poster boy for Arab-muslim propaganda in black Africa and a simple tool to brainwash blacks into accepting Islam.

For the fact that you acknowledged a failed Arab-muslim jihad into the Sudan proved my point that the Arab-muslims were aggressive in conquering the black people of Sudan. For the fact that they might make an initial failed attempt does not mean that they didn't succeed in their subsequent quest. And note that any land where Arabs conquer, they take slaves as well. See links below:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_the_Sudan_region
http://countrystudies.us/sudan/6.htm
http://historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistoriesResponsive.asp?historyid=aa86

On north Africa, you are Islamically shifting the goal post. What I said is that prior Christianity, the Roman empire had existed. Egypt was conquered by the Roman empire long before Christianity. The conquest, unlike the Umar ibn kathab jihad, has nothing to do with religion. Most conquest, except Islamic conquest, have nothing to do with religion. There was no record of Christian crusade in north Africa before Islamic invasion.

You said the culture of an Englishman, an Arab-man and a Yoruba-man are different, agreed. I want to correct the misconception you have on racial affiliation; nature (and not acculturation) determines ones race. You can't chose to be an Arab except one of your parent (preferably your father) is an Arab. You don't acquire a race but you are 'born' into that race. You can't become and Arab simply because you speak fluent Arabic. And for point of correction, England is a country (not a race) whose natives are Caucasians by racial classification. Arab is a particular race classified as Semitic people. Yoruba people are classified among the negroid race. You can't be be a negroid and later become an Arab. Only an illiterate thinks so.

The Islamic 'golden age' was a term coined by Muslim academics to celebrate Islamic great past, especially when they subjugate other cultures under Islamic rule. There is no any visible scientific breakthrough attributable to it; it is all about propaganda to inflate the ego of Muslims especially now that all Muslim societies are ranked lowest in educational and scientific indices. Even here in Nigeria, the south east states are permanently ranked academically superior to all 20 northern states. That's the effect of certain religion, like Islam, in any society.

You said not all conquest is a massacre. Can you give me an example of any conquest that does not involve the spill of Innocent blood?

Sudan is a member of the Arab league just as Nigeria is a member of the Commonwealth of nations for all English speaking nations. The Sudanese are blacks Africans but can politically chosed to be addressed as 'Arabs', the same way the Pakistanis also want to be addressed as 'Arabs'. You can't be a negroid and an Arab at the same time. As I said earlier, Sudan is a classical example of what happened to the psyche of a people who have been subjugated, enslaved and culturally destroyed for over 1400 by an evil and aggressive neighbor/master.

If an African convert to Islam, it doesn't change his/her race and make him/her an Arab; it just changes his/her religion. --king of Saudi Arabia, Abdullah ibn abdulaziz

Onnasucs1:
Jesus! Give me a fine daughter like this

Make the dough; all girls are beautiful.

Demmzy15:
How come I didn't see this reply?



Lol, if I may ask you, since all your exposing my religion and other blabbings how many have embraced Christianity?



Nowhere did it indicate the slave was Arab, stop pushing in your rubbish interpretations. The slave was freed because he became a Muslim, just as how Bilal who was a black was freed by Abu Bakr because he became Muslim. It was the custom of early Muslims to free other Muslims who are slaves.



Leviticus 25:44: “You may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you.”



"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. But if the slave’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave but as a daughter." Exodus 21:7-9

From this verse, Jesus commands that a man can sell his daughter as a sex slave.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml



You're a cursed liar, the slaves were happy and dancing during Eid. Here's the full Hadith

103:
Narrated 'Urwa on the authority of 'Aisha:
On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'."



You're an Ipob criminal, lament from now till tomorrow.



Dummy, I'm not talking about South Sudan. The Sudanese people are mostly Nubians, Zaggawa, some are Bantu people. They adopted the Arab culture which made them Arabs, this is similar to Lebanese and Syrians who are descendants of Phoenicians, Romans and Greeks. They accepted Islam and adopted the Arab culture which then turned them to Arabs. Though, some partially accepted the Arab culture and still maintain their cultural identity, but majority accepted Arab culture. The Funj people who are ethnic Africans accepted Islam and the Arab culture and they contributed greatly in the Arabization of the Sudan. There were Arabs tribes that migrated in the 12th century and intermarried with locals, but your suggestion that Arabs invaded and raped Sudanese people is devoid of fact. It might surprise you that the Sudanese people halted the Arab advances and there was peace treaty that lasted for 100s of years. The Arab armies were unable to penetrate Sudan and all marriages between Arabs and the Sudanese occurred much later when Arab traders came in.

@underlined, this is funny because Sudan is part of Arab League



Sudan is an example, that's how many communities became Arabs. The Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Sudanese, Bahrainis all became Arabs like this. I can't remember vividly the quote but it was by Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah who was probably a Kurd himself. That's how Islam is, you don't know anything. Rather than be arrogant, ask politely and we would teach you Islam. Being an Arab is similar to being a Latino; we have full white Latinos, we have mixed who are known as Mullatos and we have blacks who are Latinos. Yet all are called Latinos, don't be a dummy.



Is it that you're blind or what? This isn't the first time I'm discussing this issue of slavery with you. A concubine is similar to ones wife in Islam and she can inherit her master just a wife does. Having sex with captives is something that always happened in the past as it's evidence in the bible. Islam came and reformed many practices and slavery is an example. You're not allowed to rape, you must take care and provide for the mother and child, the child has a share of inheritance. It's in Islam that slaves attain high status in the society, read the article I provided http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml

And as for rubbish statistics, continue o. This is why I call you ipob, it's your ilks that like to concoct statistics from their Igbos (there are 45% Igbos in Lagos, 99% of Igbos are Christians, etc). We also know how Christians Europeans enslaved millions of Africans, so you can't turn the table.



There are no slaves in Saudi Arabia, are you this desperate? Saudi Arabia is a very tribal society, so you hardly see intertribal marriages but more of intratribal marriages. The Afro-Arabs of Saudi Arabia are found in the Hausawi and Barnawi tribes (there are others, but I can only remember this), they are descendants of Nigerians that settled there long ago and they marry from amongst themselves. This is why today in Saudi Arabia, it's almost impossible to marry a foreigner even if he/she is an Arab from another country, a black Saudi pilot married a white man from America and her tribe hated it. She had to leave the country for America to avoid the backlash, this has nothing to do with racism but it's deep loyalty to their tribes. The Arabs of Saudi don't even marry white men, it just doesn't happen. It's however unfortunate that you're intentionally dumb!



Before the North Africans were Christians, what were their religion? Should I show you how they were forced into Christianity by Emperor Justinian? And Incase you don't know, North Africa and Africa as a whole was peaceful not until the Christian colonialists came. The colonialists tore apart the societies, the Libyans were united until the Italians came. The Algerians and Tunisians were united not until the French came. This countries have been destroyed all thanks to West. Lemme not go further!



Apparently, you're the boldfaced liar, you can read for yourself https://about-history.com/the-brutal-history-of-the-visigoth-kingdom-of-spain/ I would have given you a documentary link but you won't watch, so I can't stress myself. The Turks had nothing to do with Spain, it was the Berber and Arabs and majority were Berbers.



Ok, lmao



The Egyptians civilization was destroyed by the Romans, this same Romans later embraced Christianity and persecuted the people. Muslims were welcomed as liberators, aren't you shooting yourself on the foot like this?



Well, that's your opinion. Scholars that placed it under the Islamic golden age aren't dunce, so you're inconsequential. Many of those involved in breakthroughs in medicine, mathematics, geometry, engineering, economics, etc during the Islamic golden age were actually Persians. No matter how you try to deny it, it's an undeniable fact glaring you in the face. So keep denying it just to console yourself, you're allowed



Are you kidding me? So you're saying the Alhambra, mezquitas, generalife, giralda, and many other structures was built by who exactly?



Lmao Now I know you're so so ignorant, the Spanish were never under the ottomans. The Persians were never under the ottomans, the Persians on the other hand began ruling themselves after getting freedom merely 150years after they were ruled by the Arabs. The Persians started ruling themselves under the Samanids, but I don't expect you to know this because you're a numb head. Nothing upstairs except for wailings!



I believe I dealt with the issues of India clearly and every honest person viewing the thread can see I'm honest. The Arabs had nothing to do with crimes in India, those responsible were Turko, Persian, Mongol and Afghan rulers. I gave you an examples of such rulers and their origins and I never tried to defend any of the crimes committed. You're just trying to pin it on Arabs who had nothing to do with what happened, learn to call a spade a spade. And today's Indian Hindus wouldn't hesitate to terminate a Christian like you, the Hinduvta today are against Muslims and Christians and there has been reports of them lynching both Muslims and Christians. So don't think you're so lucky!

And as of your last post, you can continue blabbing. You've failed honestly, Arabic language is here to stay and there's nothing you or your generations can do about it.

I responded over a week ago but you decided not to reply because you were googling to get a better rebuttal. I know you are not blind.

You should have noted that activities in ‘Islam for Muslims’ section had reduced drastically which indicated that most of the participants are frustrated with Islam. They don’t need to text you or send you a PM to confirm. ‘Tintinz’, your ex-Muslim brother, is a living example of one of the few people that have gone weary of Islam. His eyes have been opened to the fake Arab imperial religion whose trademark is the subjugation of the kafirs.

On sunnan an-nasai book 44 hadith 4625, you agreed that your prophet traded 2 black slaves for one white slave (or Arab slave). The Arabs, under racial classifications, are also whites. The hadith describes your prophet as a WHITE MAN.

For once you agreed that your prophet permitted sex slavery just that you have to drag the bible into the mud to justify your prophets’ s immoral behaviours; a typical Islamic debate pattern. You can never deny the fact that Islam, from inception, thrived on sex slavery.

The black slaves at the mosques were displayed for auctioning. Many hadiths indicated slave transactions taking place inside the mosques. It is in your hadith and sirah bro!

You said the Sudanese people accepted Islam willingly and adopted Arab culture. You are a disgrace to your black ancestors if you think the blacks in sudan, Somalia, Mauritania, etc, were not enslaved for over 1400 years which destroyed their black identity and created so many sub-Sahara black ‘species’ such as the tuareg, the fulanis, the berbers, etc. The Sudanese came in contact with the Arabs before and during Mohammed’s time and almost 100% of them were slaves to the Arabs, including the famous Bilal.
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/castration-of-men-kasi-kardan-kaya-kesidan-kaja-kardan

North Africa was the extension of the old Roman Empire. The Roman Empire conquered Egypt in the pre-Christian era, some 50BC. The problem most people have, especially Muslims, is that they use the word ‘Roman Empire’ when it suits their lies and argument. The most appropriate could have been the Byzantine empire, the fragment of the post Christian era of the Roman Empire that ruled Turkey before the Islamic conquest of Turkey. The Christians never conquered Egypt before the pre-Christian Roman Empire. The Roman Empire covered the entire Europe, the levante (some part of Arab territory) and North Africa before the coming of Christ/Christianity. It is never on record that there was any Christian crusade in north Africa against the local population. Know your history boy!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/egypt_end_01.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt
https://www.britannica.com/place/Egypt/From-the-Islamic-conquest-to-1250


And you must be a perfect illiterate to think that accepting Islam, speaking fluent Arabic and answering Arab name makes you an Arab. An English man who speaks Yoruba language very well and worship Yoruba god, IFA, can never, for that reason, become a Yorubaman. Only a fully brainwashed person thinks so.

You are a poor student of history and Geography to think that Arab land was restricted to only the modern day Saudi Arabia. Prior Islam, we have local Arab population in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Oman, etc. just as we equally have some non-Arab tribe such as the Chaldean (in Syria) and Kurds (in Iraq). These people were living peacefully before the Muslim-Arab religious invasion (Quran 9:28-30).

And for the sake of argument, let us accept the fact Spain was not under the ottoman rule but under the Arab-Muslim rule, what difference does it make? The fact remains that they were, without provocation, invaded, occupied and subjugated by Arab-Muslims for over 200 years. And as I said earlier, you are a very poor student of history. When the Arabs invaded, under Umar Ibn Kathab, the indigenous people of Egypt, Greece, Persian, etc, were already civilized and advance, as at the standard required for human civilization then. The Muslim-Arabs did not introduce modern architecture, maths and science, modern medicine to the conquered local population. If I am to use your Islamic logic, I can equally conclude that the Russian introduced modern science to the occupied Germans between 1945 and 1989 or that the US introduced modern science to occupied Japan between 1945 to 1951. An invading/occupying force does not necessarily mean a more technologically sophisticated side. Japan is more technologically advance than Russia but Russia is a far stronger militarily. You can use this scenario for the Arabs and their conquered territory.

You are an unrepentant liar if you insist that the Arab-Muslim did not invade and did a wholesale massacre in India. The link below might be of help to you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_in_the_Indian_subcontinent
https://www.encyclopedia.com/international/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/islams-impact-india


I have no issue with Arabic as a language but I pity black people like you who have foolishly submitted to Arabian culture, language and religion in order to serve the interest of your Arab masters. You still remain an Abdul to the Arabs no matter how loyal you are. The earlier you renounce that ‘BILAL’ mentality of yours the better. It is an insult for black people to be Muslims going by the slavery past (and present) of the Arabs against the black people. One must have a serious mental issue if he thinks being a loyal Muslim makes you an Arab. On some black nations being members of the Arab league, the Arab league is a political movement of countries that speak Arabic as official and not a racially-based movement, just as we have the British commonwealth of nations for all English speaking nations or countries which were formally British colony. Somalis, Sudanese and Mauritanians, being members of the Arab league, does not make Arabs. The Moroccans are currently applying for membership of ECOWAS, as an economic block, but they are not black Africans nor located in west africa sub-region. The same way the Arab league is a political bloc for Arab speaking nations.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arab-league.asp

abdulazeez1002:
If you were sensible, you would have asked of the chain of narrators rather than sitting down in your thatch mud calling any Hadith not palatable to your hearing fabricationa

abdulazeez1002:
DAMN, may I never be these foolish in my life

All because of an Arabian God, gossip and Chinese whisper (hadith) and an alleged revelation (koran).

Mental slavery! When will Africans wake up?

abdulazeez1002:
Calling you stupid is an insult to stupid people. You are
profoundly slow and you will never emancipate from your
regressed mental handicap.

abdulazeez1002:
Calling you stupid is an insult to stupid people. You are
profoundly slow and you will never emancipate from your
regressed mental handicap.

Peaceful and tolerant religion. Allahu Akbar!

spiritualmubi:
qlueless dude, thank God u said buckari not Bukhari.... lkmd.. cant u see the lies contained in ur acclaimed sahih above?

90% of Muslims worldwide believed and trust the hadith of imam Bukhari. Can we then conclude that most of what 90% of Muslims' beliefs are lies?

AlBaqir:
WHY DO YOU GREET "MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR"?

Some have asked why I greeted my Christians family and friends "merry Christmas and Happy New Year".

Some argued that even the Christians themselves are beginning to realize Dec.25th as a day where a particular Roman god used to be celebrated. Therefore, why reviving that?

Others argue that greeting the Christians is accepting their ideological beliefs.


MY GENERAL REPLY

First, Greetings has NOTHING to do with Iman (faith) or Ibadat (worship). It is only a courtesy which we can say, 'part of "akhlaq (morals)". And that I believe can go a long way in establishing good relationship with the society and change the fanatic way Islam and Muslims are being portrayed.

You can read a Sunni fatwa on greeting Christians during their festive seasons here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2061345/fatwa-muslims-congratulating-non-muslims-holidays

There is also al-Azhar's verdict online. And obviously there are other fatawa that condemned greetings of non-Muslims altogether.

Second, yes, it is debatable that the date (Dec. 25th) used to be day of worship of a particular Roman god. But this was changed and eradicated when the Roman emperor became Christian and paganism was destroyed, and Jesus birthday was substituted to that noted date instead. At the face value, this is more or less an acceptable transformation. It is however,  of no use for antagonists to keep on referring back to that story of Roman god.

Besides, if I may ask, which calender do you use? Gregorian calendar or Arabian (or Persian or Chinese or Bahai) calendar? If you as a Muslim uses the Gregorian calendar in your social activities and you did not point back to its pagan root (since that has been eradicated long time ago), then why do you feel disturbed when we say "Happy New Year" at the beginning of a new year? It has nothing to do with my faith or belief.

Second, it is very clear that Jesus was born and his day of birth was recognized by Allah in the Quran, and there is recommendation to remember such days among others.

When exactly was he born? Was it 25th of Dec or other date? There's controversy among historians. Whichever way it is, it doesn't matter. It does not in anyway reduce my belief and reverence for Prophet Eesa (Jesus Christ).

'I dey gbadun you bro!'. I collect salah meat from Muslims till date and I wont stop for now. I often asked for the best part of the 'eran agbo' anytime it is being slaughtered for salah festival. Not that I accept what Islam teaches but I rejoice when people rejoice. I criticize many Islamic beliefs but I will celebrate with them and merry with them when they do.

It is quite unfortunate that Nigerian Muslims are more 'Arabian' than the Arab-Muslims who brought Islam to Africa.

spiritualmubi:
These ahadith are surely misleading, may Allah guide us.

Meaning sahih bukhari is not 'sahih' at all.

spiritualmubi:
These ahadith are surely misleading, may Allah guide us.

And these are called sahih (authentic) Bukhari, highly rated after the Qur'an by the Sunnis. What a joke of a piece of literature!

AlBaqir:
All these are weighty and serious allegations levelled against the Prophet of mercy and his purified Ahl al-bayt, salallahu alayhi wa ahli.

4. Why would the Prophet of Allah prevent her daughter from facing trial of jealousy while he himself subjected daughters of other believers into similar trial (approving polygamy)?


5. How does it sounds that Fatima, the doyenne and chief of believing women of this Ummah and the leader of women of Paradise was feared by her father to fail trials?

 Obviously she was part of the believers being addressed by Allah thus:
Surah Al-Ankaboot, Verse 2 – 3:

Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, We believe, and not be tried?

And certainly We tried those before them, so Allah will certainly know those who are true and He will certainly know the liars.”


Titles especially the impeccable ones (like Sayyidat nisa al-mumineen – doyenne and chief of believing women) does not come at a silver platter without having faced and withstand incomparable trials. Bibi Fatima, peace be upon her, was one of the best four women of Paradise. The rest being, Hazrat Khadijah, Hazrat Maryam and Hazrat Asiyah, the wife of Pharaoh. Each of these mentioned names faced series of trials, came out in flying colors and became rewarded and exalted by their Lord. Why would that of Fatima defers?


This story in question belittle the impeccable status of Bibi Fatima. It presented her weak who was only being favoured and protected by her father. Therefore, should we be questioning the authenticity of this story or the status of Hazrat Fatima?


6. And why would Hazrat Ali ibn Abi Talib breeched his oath and promises to the extent that Prophet allegedly remembered how truthful his once upon a time son-in-law was in being truthful to his promise? Was Hazrat Ali ibn Abi Talib not aware of the following noble verses:

Surah Al-Isra, Verse 34:

“...and fulfill the promise; surely (every) promise shall be questioned about.”

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 1:
O you who believe! fulfill the obligations

Excuse that perhaps Hazrat Ali ibn Abi Talib might have forgotten his promise is to be thrown out of the window when one consider the fact that he allegedly sent marriage proposal behind Prophet’s back. Therefore, what kind of believer was Ali ibn Abi Talib when he breeches promise? And had Ali not been able to follow Quranic orders, why would the Prophet, salallahu alayhi wa ahli, says, “Ali is with the Quran and the Quran is with Ali; both will never separate (from each other) until they meet me at the pond (in Qiyamat)”


* And lastly, why would the Prophet allegedly denied the marriage proposal of Banu Hisham ibn al-Mughira for the fact that the daughter in question was Abu Jahl’s daughter? Abu Jahl was long dead as a Kafir. His daughter and clan had submitted to Islam. Prophet himself accepted Abu Sufyan’s daughter as wife knowing the father was once a staunch enemy of Allah. So, why the exception in the case of Abu Jahl’s daughter and clan? Why taking up the father’s kufr on the believing daughter?

Obviously, this (contradictory versions of the) story can never stand scrutiny. Just like Quran states that any book from other than Allah is bound to be replete in discrepancies.

In my next life if Providence makes it possible for me to be born in the Muslim world, I would prefer being a Shi'a. I don't agree with most of what you always say, but one thing is certain, you try your best to be as fair and reasonable as possible and this is a trait among many Shi'a Muslims. Though the Sunnis will claim full legitimacy to Islam, but over 90% of them are never critical of sahih bukhari. If Islam is to collapse today, sahih bukhari is enough to do that job because there are so many narrations there that portray the of Islam as being a bloodthirsty warlord and equally spoke Ill of him. Sahih bukhari is a bad representation of Islam and its image.

Back to this topic, it is either the narrations in these hadith that shows Mohammed's disapproval of Imam Ali taking a second wife is weak or fabricated, or the prophet of Islam does not abide by his own standard. If Mohammed can marry the daughter of one of his worst enemies, Abu Sufiyan, the daughter of the chief of the Jewish tribe of khaibar, who died in the hands of Mohammed's men during the invasion of khaibar (sahih bukhari 1:367), why can't Imam Ali marry the daughter of his late antagonist, Abu Jahl?

This is a type of hypocrisy that makes people see Islam as a joke.

Demmzy15:
Believe me, it pains me that you refuse to have sense. Anyways, let's see the rubbish you'll pour out here.



It's obvious you didn't read my replies fully, where did I state he abolished Slavery? Can you show me? Islam provided solutions to slavery and how it should be practiced, we ask you, how did Jesus or Christianity provide solutions?



You lack cognitive thinking, you are known to hate Igbo Muslims and deny they don't exist. This is a trait of an ipob criminal who is a jew buttlicker and an Islamophobe. So I'm not wrong in my accusation.



If fair and white Arabs raped Black women, why on earth would there still be black Arabs? Wouldn't they be fairer than average blacks? This is false assertion of yours further shows you have no knowledge and don't know what an Arab means. An Arab can be by blood or just by adoption of the Arab culture. Nothing about raping, the Sudanese people were black Nubians but when they accepted Islam and embraced the Arab culture, they became Arabs. Similarly, as a Nigerian Yoruba man, if I understand the Arabic language correctly in addition to the Quran and sunnah, I become an Arab. Prior to Islam, blacks existed in the Arab peninsula, some were slaves others were conquerors, others were merchants and they all blended with population. In Yemen for instance, the Ethiopians once conquered the country and ruled it before Muslims came that's why you find many of them to be of dark skin. You need to study, you're too dull and it's paining me.



This is what happens when you watch to many Hollywood bollocks, and I noticed you're yet to refute the verses I posted. Please do and stop spewing rubbish.



Animal, some of the nations you mentioned were actually Christians, do you want me to start posting how they were persecuted and killed by Byzantines? Do you want me to show you how the Copts were killed and persecuted by Christians, to the extent they welcomed Muslims as liberators? You've not mentioned that there are over 9 million Copts in Egypt and up to a million in Sudan? You also didn't mention that it was the Spanish people that infact invited Muslims into the country to drive out the Visgoths? You also forgot to mention that many of the local Christians actually fought alongside Muslims against the common enemy. You're a pathetic loser mean and I pity your damned life.



Lol The Islamic Golden Age would disagree with you, whatever you see today had origins from Muslims. Yes, Muslims depended on the works of early Greeks but before Muslims, Christians controlled such libraries and burnt and destroyed many of them. Muslims on the other hand translated it and worked on it and gave it out to the world, this why the Muslim world led in medicine, engineering, science, social science and various other disciplines. Without Muslims, we would surely have been in the dark ages or we wouldn't be as advanced as we're today. Now you mentioned what's Islam current contribution, I also pose the same question back to you, what's the the current contribution of Christianity?

It's surprising you claim Islam oppresses minorities, it's the other way round. Christians persecute other Christians. Jews would have probably gone extinct if not for Muslims, Coptic Christians would have gone extinct too. Nestorian Christians went extinct thanks to other Christians, we can't forget the 31 year war between Catholics and Protestants that wiped out entire families, villages, towns killing 8 million people. We also can't forget how Christians killed millions in the Americas, these are crimes you can't defend or whitewash. The blood and sufferings Christianity brought is just too much, even during the crusades, you killed and persecuted other Christians and Jews. The Jews were infact the first victims of the crusades before Muslims, when you faced Muslims, you killed thousands and eat their bodies. This is what is preached in the bible, eat the body of your enemies,



You keep fucccking up every time, the Arabs had nothing to do with the atrocities in Indian. and thanks anyway for admitting that Indonesia was bloodless, I could give you other examples as well. Now back to India, those responsible were Indians themselves, Turko-Mongol rulers, the Arabs weren't involved at all. A notorious ruler that killed millions of Muslims and Hindus was Tamerlane or Timur, he wasn't an Arab but a Turko-Mongol, all his killings wasn't for Islam as he wanted to revive the Mongol empire as Genghis khan did, so in the process he killed virtually everyone that stood against him including Muslims. While he did all this, the Christian west supported him and he was good to them, so you can see you have blood on your hands too.

Another example is Alauddin Khiliji, this was a ruthless man that killed his uncle to become the ruler. He didn't spare anyone including Muslims and Hindus. And there are still many others, infact the conflicts then almost had nothing to do with Islam as they fought for various reasons. There are cases where even Hindus perpetrated the killings on themselves and the other way round, so you need to read about the origins of these conflicts and stop opening your garbage filled mouth.



Why should we pray in Yoruba when there's a unifying language? With my knowledge of Arabic, I can pray in all the mosques comfortably on these earth but you can't. I can remember watching a TB Joshua program about his mass in Korea, can you believe they had to translate all he said to Korean for the people to understand? So you should be the one trying to get a unifying language to prevent this mess, and please stop bringing up illogical issues like this. Arabic has come to stay whether you like it or not, it'll be around when you're rotting in your grave so deal with it.

And if there's wasi in Yoruba, why are you now opening your eyes?

Sorry bro, I understand your pain. I am not posting to make you happy but to tell you the ugly and painful truth about your fake and evil religion.

You said Mohammed provided solution to slavery but you failed to itemize how and where he provided the solution. The last time I checked, your prophet:

1. Exchanged 2 black slaves for 1 Arab slave.

Sunan an-Nasa'i Book 44 Hadith 4625

It was narrated that Jabir Sair:

"A slave came and gave his pledge to the Messenger of Allah to emigrate, and the Prophet did not realize that he was a slave. Then his master came looking for him. The Prophet said; 'Sell him to me.' So he bought him for two black slaves, then he did not accept until he had asked; 'Is he a slave?''

2. Returned a freed slave back to slavery.

3. Sanctioned/legitimized sexx slavery.

4. Sold slaves to buy horses and weapons for jihad against his enemies.

5. Displayed black slaves in the mosque in form of exhibition (sahih bukhari 2:15:103).

As I said earlier, calling me an IPOB criminal shows that you are not intellectually fit for public debate. You don't throw tantrum like a spoilt kid to attract dad's attention.

It takes 2 human to make a child. If white Arabs rape a black woman, the product of that evil union will be the mixture of the gene of both parents: the characteristics will be replicated on the offspring. This is simple biology! Northern Sudan is a perfect example of Arab Muslim atrocity against the black people. The people of Northern Sudan, some of who are mixed mixed bred offsprings of hundreds of years of Arab-muslim subjugation, have serious identity crisis. They are not accepted as Arabs (because they are not) and never wanted to fully associate with their black identity. Sudan is a lost case in the complete destruction of people's identity.

You have to get your brain examined if you think you can become an Arab by merely following their religion and culture. No matter how fluently you speak Arabic, how eloquently you recite the Quran and the number of hadith you know, that can NEVER change your racial identify. Arab is a race and not a nationality, hope you are OK.

I noticed you also attempted to deny sex slavery in Islam (Qur'an 4:24, etc. also in various hadith). It is well documented in your Islamic sources. Study the relationship between the Arab overlords and black women in the Islamic caliphate, 99% of black women were sex slaves to the Arabs. Even today in Saudi Arabia, black women are still viewed as not marriageable but OK as sex slaves.

North Africans were Christians before Umar ibn kathab ordered a military expedition and sacked the peaceful society of any form of human civility. Umar's legacy can be felt in the middle east and north Africa; tribal wars, political instability and poverty, except the Arab gulf states rich in oil and gas that are being exploited by the western powers.

You are a boldfaced liar. The Spanish invited the Muslims to come and rule them. Who on earth invites a foreign power to come and rule them? This only happened in the wrapped minds of some Muslim revisionists. Spain was invaded by the combination of the Arab and Turk Muslims, their societies ransacked and Islam imposed on them, with the jizya poll tax. After hundreds of years of Islamic subjugation in Spain, they were destroyed and forced back to their shitholes. The Muslims never recovered from this humiliation till date.

'The Islamic golden age' when Muslims were able to subjugate the kafir under Islamic rules. If you are not reading the wrong book you will understand the fact that the Greek, the Persian, the Egyptians and the Spaniards were great civilization before they fall under the control of the Ottoman empire. The Greek, before Islam, has a well documented civilization, were good in arts, maths, science, medicine and architecture. Islam built nothing in Greece under the Ottoman rule.

The Egyptians built one of the earliest civilization before Islam. The great pyramid of Egypt had been built when the Arabs were never known at all. The Egyptians had masters maths and architecture before Islamic invasion.

The Persians are the earliest civilization documenter. They built the first modern city known to man. Their achievement and glory has nothing to do with Islam.

The Spanish, under the Roman empire was also a great civilization before the Islamic barbarians came knocking at their door. The had developed some of the classical art and architecture known today.

All these civilization I listed were formally under the Ottoman empire hence under Islamic rule. These empire were unprepared for Islamic military and fell under the sword of Islam. Spain and Greece fought and got their freedom but Persia and Egypt couldn't. The effect of Islam could be felt in these places and you will agree with me that the two old civilizations that left the camp of Islam are doing far better than the camp of Islam. And all the nations that are currently doing well in science and technology never belonged to the camp of the 'Islamic golden age'. There growth were never stunted by the effect of Islam.

You said the Arabs has nothing to do with the atrocities in India. You only exposed your gross ignorance and islamically sanctioned lies. India, unlike other civilizations, is the greatest victim of Islamic invasion and destruction. If you make this claim where the India-hindus are, you will be putting your life at a risk. The Indians will never forget or forgive the Arabs for their atrocities, NEVER! Go and read a book by M A Khan, an Indian author, on Muslims' genocide in mother India.

Finally, you admitted, that for sake of uniformity, that all solat must be done in Arabic. If however you widen your critical thinking a little, you will discover that the Arabs that made this proposal in order to keep their language and culture superior to all others. If this is not a subtle racism what is it? While you see nothing wrong here, your subconscious mind had already submitted to Arab supremacy and your physical mind can do anything to defend this subservient nature.

Demmzy15:
I've been noticing the rubbish you've been typing since, just continue. I decided to reply you today because it's weekend.



Slavery existed in virtually every community in the world - we've had causes of blacks enslaving blacks, whites enslaving whites, blacks enslaving whites, whites enslaving blacks, etc. Slavery existed before Prophet Muhammad was born and he provided solutions to it, this is something your Jesus never did. Islam provided solutions on how slavery should be done and how to take people out of it. Jesus never provided a solution (I challenge you to provided us with it if he did) while Prophet Muhammad did. Freeing of slaves in Islam is a virtuous act in Islam.



Can you provide us with evidences? Because, we know ipob criminals like you are known to pour out statistics from the back of their flat heads, we're not dummies. And I hope you can also defend your bible when the time comes!



Okay



You're very dull and stupeed, so if an Arab believes his, then Islam confirms it? You just like saying rubbish thinking you're smart but you're super dull! So Christianity is what? Was it a black man that promulgated Christianity? And you're so dull to know we have Arabs who are dark skin, guy you're a dummy. Here's what Islam says about racism:

The Prophet ṣallallāhu ͑alayhī wa-sallam said: "Indeed there is no excellence for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab, nor a White person over a Black one, nor a Black person over a White one, except through piety"

"O' mankind, We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Indeed the most honourable of you in the sight of Allāh is the one with the most piety"
(Sūrah al-Hujjarat, 49:13)

If anyone is racist, it's those that brought Christianity to you. They enslaved blacks based on their color, they wiped out the Incans and Indians based on racism and they backed it up with bible.



Looks like you're beginning to think like an atheist? Lol, this is what your twisted mind is telling, Islam unlike other religion is the final solution for mankind. This is evident from the fact that the Quran addresses Mankind and not just the Arab communities, the Quran went further to show us examples of older communities that existed and brings out lessons for us to gain from. All those previous people were from different communities, races, cultures, etc. So whatever definition you've given up there suits other religion like Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrainism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc but not Islam.



Another reason I say you're stupid, the largest Muslim country in the world is Indonesia and they neither speak Arabic nor adopted the Arabic culture. Another large Muslim country is Indian and Pakistan and they aren't Arabs, and these people have been Muslims of centuries. The Chinese Muslims accepted Islam during times of Prophet Muhammad and they didn't adopt Arabic culture, your hate for Islam and unwavering love for Apku is making your brain cells faulty.



It's obvious you don't listen to sermons in Yoruba mosques because if you did, you would have heard it. Even Igbo Muslims preach in Igbo language, they praise Allaah and his apostle in Igbo language. I've heard a sermon by Uztaz Isa Okonkwo and he kept praising God by calling him "Chineke". You're a pathetic loser Wallahi



You're losing your mind slowly but you not, I keep telling you that if you end your life with the way you're going, it's going to be bad for you. Just continue!

I can see the anger and bitterness in your response. The truth can be hurtful at times; I understand your pain.

You fully agree with me that your prophet was a slave merchant who owned, bought and sold slaves during his days. You however never gave me any proof that he abolished slavery because he never did, neither his sahabas. I will post some hadith where your prophet returned a freed slave back to slavery.

Calling me an IPOB criminal shows that you are not matured for a civil conversation; you can actually kill for your fake prophet and his religion. The Arabs have really brainwashed you to a point that you have lost all sense of civility and critical reasoning.

You also said we have black Arabs; you are gradually getting your senses back. Prior Islam, nothing like black Arabs; blacks have nothing to do with Semitic race before Islam. Black arabism is a product of Islamic Arab slavery and rape of black women, most of whom are sex slaves. Islam sanctioned sex slavery 100% and black women were often victim of this evil policy by Allah and his messenger against the kafir. Black men are however castrated and used as chattel by the khalifa and rich Arabs men. Some are enlisted into the army as well. It is not an honour to be a black Arab but a reminder of Arab subjugation of black people.

And FYI, the north Africans, before Islam, were not Arabs. The barbaric Arab invaded north Africa, under the authority and leadership of Umar ibn kathab, destroyed the culture of the North Africans, the Nubians, the Berbers and the Copts, enslaved and imposed Islam on them. At the height of their success, they invaded Spain and occupied it for over 300years before the Muslims were destroyed and expelled from Spain and Portugal. Read your bloody history mhen!

You said Islam is the final solution to mankind, but I can tell you, Islam is the current rheumatism of mankind. Anything, any civilization, any culture, any society, any people and anywhere Islam touches, it brings destruction and backwardness upon it. Tell me the current contribution of Islam to mankind except tears, blood and sorrow and the oppression of minorities, even in Indonesia.

You hypocrites always use Indonesia to give Islam a public image but failed to acknowledge the atrocities of Arab-muslims in India. India is the greatest victim of Arab-islamic expansion and imperialism and over 100 million Hindus died as a result of over 1000 years of Islamic drive into the indian subcontinent. The partitioning of India into India and Pakistan is the testimony of the destructive force of Islam.

I lived among the Yorubas and I speak Yoruba very very fluently; I never heard any Yorubaman doing solat in his mother tongue, never. I am not talking about their 'wasi', I mean their five daily prayer is done, and must be done, in Arabic or else the racist Islamic God will not answer such Prayer. Keep hiding your head, like an ostrich, who fail to see the negative effect of Islam on your psyche.

AbuTwins:
The question now is does Islam support racism? And this has been answered!

You failed, or willfully, refused to point to the fact that your Islamic source documents promoted slavery, especially against black people, and your prophet owned, bought and sold slaves. You have to deal with this fact bro!

Islam supported racism 100%. What is racism?

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or
ethnicity.

The Arabs believe that they are superior to all other races, the same way the Jews believed that they are 'God's chosen' people and other culture and races are the gentiles. Islam, whether you like it or not, is an Arab imperialist ideology which must be imposed on other nations (the kafirs, like the gentiles to the Jews) either by peaceful means or coercion.

You can't separate a supremacist ideology associated with certain people and culture from their race. Religion in general are geo-specific and appeal to the culture where that religion is 'born'. When that religion, like Islam, mandate existing cultures to confirm to Arabian cultures, whims and caprices, it makes the religion (and the people that practice it) a racist religion.

When a foreign religion asked you to drop your traditional language, mode of dressing, naming system, greeting system, language of prayer, etc, and become more arabized (Islam in this case), that means that the religion has a racial undertone.

You can't go to your mosque, and why praying, say: 'Olorun tobi, Mohammadu ojise olorun ni see oooo ooooo'. You must say it in Arabic or else your 'prayers' won't be accepted by the racist Arab God Allah.

If this is not racism in disguise, what is it?

tintingz:
Why are you eating with spoon?

See nonsensical question.

Are you in the cave living like troglodytes?

Maybe the rasool forbade the umah from using spoon. You know, Islamically rasool asked all Muslims to lick their fingers after eating; how do one licks fingers if he eats with a spool? No wonders some hausa 'mey tea' in my neighbourhood always eat with their hands, even after driving 'Okada' and 'meruwa' and their hands filled with dirt.

I think, to some Muslims, following the sunnah is more important than living a clean and healthy life.

najib632:
Muhammad S.A.W. was an illiterate he didn't know how to read or write. There's no one who can ever make anything close to the magnificence of the Glorious Qur'an, it was revealed to him through angel Gabriel.

Exactly what you have been told repeatedly in your mosque by your sheikh or imam. You are just like reciting 'A for apple', 'B for ball' and 'C for cat'. It is not a response from an imaginative mind.

How do you know that Mohammed was an illiterate? The hadith and the sirah said so.

Do you believe in all the hadith and the sirah? No. Why? Because some hadith are not authentic and were fabricated while some sirah are the handiwork of the Jews to portray Islam as bad.

How is Qur'an so magnificent? My Imam told me but I have not done any critical analysis of the text to valid the claim.

Islam 101 for beginners.

najib632:
Go and read the last verse in songs of Solomon in Hebrew then come back and repeat this.

You mean in the Hebrew words Mak-ma-den is Mohammed? The same way Akbar in Hebrew means mouth. Unless you wanna tell me that 'Allahu Akbar' is an Hebrew word meaning 'Allah is mouth'. The Japanese and the Igbos answer chinze but with different meaning. Stop this childish argument like Dr. Zakir Naik.

dayborlee:
A real muslim beleives in Jesus because we were commanded to do so. But i don't know why chrisiastians wuld neva believe there was someone called Mohammed(pbuh). Do you Muhammed was mentioned in the jew bible? Bible of today have been pirated into different versions. May God lead unto the right path.

This is because Islamic Jesus is the spiderman Jesus who never existed except in the deluded mind of the Islamic prophet (peace be upon my late mum).

isalegan2:
You need to separate Arab from Islam/Qur'an. The Arabs had slaves, but Islam rejects slavery, burial of live female children, and other atrocities practiced by Arabs (at the time). These are the things Prophet Muhammed preached against and was persecuted for, by his own people. Muhammed, the Qur'an, Muslims, are not responsible for slavery or for Arabs' long-held tradition. Muhammed himself was against tribalism and racism, and fought against his own people's ignorance for decades, and his successors continued to fight for centuries afterwards. Learn that!

The Bible (version that I've read) tells slaves to obey their owners/masters and not fight for their freedom. Instead, they are to wait for freedom in the "next life," after they're already dead. Of course, reformers dismiss that, and it didn't stop Martin Luther King, Jr., from becoming one of the greatest Christian freedom-fighters ever. To some, it is about interpretation. People pick and choose different passages to justify their evil deeds, including enslavement and other injustice.

Ultimately, the goal is for Africans to put their Africanness before any foreign beliefs that seek to oppress them, debase their humanity or devalue their contribution to the world.

Amin Ashe!

I hope you are not an alien from the outer space. Mohammed own, bought and sold slaves. This fact is well documented in Islamic traditions in the hadith and altabari. To the Arabs, Allah had made them superiors to all races, including whites, and deserves respect from the abduls from other races. The Arabs still look back at the glorious days of the khalifa when all non-arabs were subservient to their Muslim-arab masters. Never to forget that almost all male slaves were castrated so that black male population can be drastically reduced or eliminated in the Arab world.

The Islamic poster black boy, Bilal, was equally a black slave owned by the first rightly guided khalifa, Abu Bakr. He was a popular slave boy among the sahabas and at a time, according to sahih bukhari, had to beg the prophet to grant him freedom. I have not seen any record to prove that his call for freedom was granted.

Among all the black slaves mentioned in the hadith, I never see any of them that had and raise a family of their own. The nuclear family of Bilal, unlike Abu Bakr, Umar ibn kathab, Uthman ibn affan, Ali ibn Mutalib etc, were not mentioned. This is to tell you that the chances that he had a family of his own never existed or was very slim.

Aside Bilal, the prophet and his sahabas had so many black slaves and non of the slaves, at least as narrated in the hadith of Bukhari and Muslim, built a family of their own. Why? The Arabs masters made it so. If the God of the Arabs, Allah, can sanction the enslavement of black people, why do you think the descendants of the prophets and his sahabas think otherwise. Of course the Arabs will consider it a favour for the blacks to be enslaved because the enslaved black will have the opportunity to also worship their God, Allah.

If you take a look at the Arab world, what is the population of blacks there? Why is it less than 1% after 1400 years of Islamic slavery? Do your fundings and revert if you can or care.

Empiree:
The Quran verse you cited was order of God not the prophet (saw)


"And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity".


Take it or leave it. Every marriage of the Holy Prophet had a specific reason behind it and was meant to support Islam. Wives of Holy Prophet have been called UMMAHAT EL MOMENEEN (Mothers of the people of faith). Due to their level of honor and respect which they earned by marrying with the Holy Prophet, Allah has forbidden them to marry any other person, including Companions of the Holy Prophet and Muslims have been forbidden to marry them after the departure of the Holy Prophet SAW from this world.

Na wa. How can this be from God:

Quran 33:54; O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity

This is the most ridiculous ayah I have ever seen in the Quran. How can a god say this while the prophet could have just warmed his sahabas to go home when it is 10pm at night and not be wandering aimlessly around the premises of the prophet, some even spying on some of his wives to marry as soon as the prophet is gone. (you can get a better context of this ayah in tafsir of ibn kathir).

najib632:
I have answered everything you're saying here you're just trying to argue, but I'll still answer you anyway. If there were signs of Madness in him how would people of Medina welcome a Mad man with open Arms? And other regions accept his message. the prophet Never said they should be wiped because the prophet will never commit massacre, he ordered that any resistance should be crushed all, the 6 people he asked to be persecuted were dangerous hypocrites
they could cause disunity among the Muslims and stop making prophet Muhammad S.A.W look like a blood thirsty person it will really make your ignorance apparent.
How can your allies people whom you live together with in the same community betray you and you'll spare them? This people went to attack the women
and children of the Muslims, even after the prophet pleaded with them and you expect mercy for them something must be wrong with you. Most of their scholars and Rabies accept Islam after testing him for the signs of prophethood, what were the others waiting for? They were also expelled to preserve the divine message and in case of any treachery it will be prevented, take for example the Roman king who once tried to steal the body of the prophet from his tomb in Medina he sent some Christians to pretend to be Muslims while carrying out their treachery, if Christians were around their plot would have been bigger more dangerous than that. Thank Allah that the khalifah then was a pious Man and Allah showed him the plot of the Christians in his dream. I expect them to give him regards because he allowed them to live anywhere in the Islamic Caliphate except in Arabia, they could in Egypt, Iraq, Syria e.t.c. The Qur'an is the word of Allah, it is Allah that ordered Us not to take Christians and Jews that are hostile to us as friends. All the Muslim countries were doing fine until the Americans gave them democracy, the refugees to are because of the West and their allies, they only away khawarijites that are claiming to be fighting for the sake of Islam while they're sponsored by the West and they kill innocent people, and rape women I don't know which shariah they're promoting. As long as I know there's no Muslim country practising full sharia. Let the Americans and the West leave their countries and they'll also stop coming to theirs simple.

You tried. Islam is a religion that thrive on migration and refugees. Do you know how Islamic calendar is dated? It is after Hijrah (AH). The first modern refugees were muslims when they went on first Hijra to Ethiopia. The second Hijra, migration, refugee was when the prophet left mecca for Medina. Was it the Americans that created the first and second Islamic migration crisis during the time of the prophet? Take responsibility for your actions as a matured man.

You will agree with me that the meccans questioned the sanity of the prophet and Aisha also confirmed his mental state at a time. I believe the meccans, who are eye-witnesses will have a better testimony to this fact than both of us.

You also agreed that the prophet commanded that any opposition to his invasion of mecca should be crushed and not wiped out as I stated initially. In military term, wipe-out can also be used as crushed.

I heard you say most rabbi accepted his prophet-hood. I don't agree to this. The Christians and Jews were banished from the arabia (you wil agree with me that the Jews and Christians were in Arabia before Islam) while the polytheist were either killed or forced to convert and pay the zakat. You were proud they were expelled to preserve the divine message, what if the Americans decided to expel all muslims from the US to preserve secular democracy which is 100% against the Islamic value system? Hope you will praise the Americans as well. This is because many Muslims organizations such as CAIR, the Muslim brotherhood, Muslim student society, etc run agenda contrary to the US democracy and secular government. Hope you will be happy.

sino:
You are expecting to see carbon, nitrogen, carbon dioxide written in the Qur'an abi, don't worry, since you have seen silicon written look deeply, you would see the rest...Mehn, your IQ must be in the negative with this your queer reasoning, what next would you argue about?! Why the periodic table isn't in the Qur'an?! Pathetic!

Them why are Muslims always trying to authenticate Islam using science? Haven't you heard 'scientific miracles of the quran'?

If modern science are contradicting your religion, then stop using science to valid your religion or else people will always take the prophet as a clown.

Empiree:
We simply tell you that you are a kettle calling pot black. We wouldn't wanna waste our time to explain what you not gonna agree with. Once we found similar moral justification in your literature, we are obliged to use t against you to shut you up.


You keep repeating old story. You think you can help yourself?. Well, dont be offended by my question. Can you marry your dad's widow?. If not, then, no one is allowed to inherit prophets' wives after them.


And?. You are yoruba man and you understood very well when yoruba ppl say "iyawo baba eni iya eni ni" which literally translates to your step mother is inherently your mother. If you can not marry your mother, then, it is taboo to marry your step mother. Simple


Story story. And your point is....?

Chill bro, chill! Your prophet is both a player and the referee; setting the rules that favors him based on time and circumstances.

Take a look at when he wanted to take Aisha as his wife in sahih bukhari 7:62:18 where Abu Bakr, Aisha's dad, objected to his (your prophet) marriage to Aisha based on the fact that they are brothers. Your prophet, being smarter, quickly interjected that they are only brothers in religion (and not blood-related) hence Aisha was lawful for him to marry.

Using the above assumption, the prophet's wives, though having the title 'the mother of believers' are only mothers to the believers in religion but not blood-related hence lawful to the sahabas for marriage.

If you read quran 33:53, you will understand the genesis of this so-called 'prephetic decree' that protected the honour of your prophet.

Rashduct4luv:
A confused bigot! Why not respond to my accusations on your posts? You will surely be entirely burnt! People who know nothing about their religion and took it up to criticise Islam on a warped understanding!

Take it easy bro! Don't turn yourself to an extremist. Why are you so pained by an event that happened 1400 years ago in far away middle-east? Cut the chase mehn, take a chill pill or better still take a tea spool full of chillamazin Syrup. One in the morning and the other at night before going to bed.

Read well and you will understand the essence of my post.