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Politics › Re: Obasanjo: Nigerians Will Be Fools To Fall For Buhari Again by true2god: 7:58am On Jan 21, 2019
NaijaOlosho:
Not Nigerians

It should be Yorubas and the northerners

The major problems we have in Nigeria are the North and the entire Yorubas
angry
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Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 3:20pm On Jan 18, 2019
Empiree:
Ogbeni, just revert to Islam. Your heart is softer than it used to be in the days of ifeann cheesy
Truth must be told, the western power are advance terrorist while the Muslims nations practice crude and immature terrorism which are very visible to the global press. The CIA, MOSSAD, MI5 and the KGB are all executive terror organizations approved by the states to destabilize societies and install puppets (the way they did in saudi arabia). In islam, they have hezbolla, the Nusra front, the Al-qaeda, the Muslim brotherhood, Islamiyya jumatul, etc. These organizations are meant to function like the CIA and MOSSAD but always do a bad job hence the press calling them Islamic terrorist organizations.

Both the christian west and the Arab-Muslims are the same but with different skills and strategies; they both do dirty jobs.
Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 11:14am On Jan 18, 2019
Empiree:
Correction. Judeo/Christian (Jews and Christian terrorists terrorists instead of @bold. cheesy


nope. We only have love for them bcus of the two holy sites that unite us. Nothing more
I agree with you, the western powers are advanced terrorist, but without a religious motivation. Islamic terrorism is a function of religious beliefs as instructed the the quran and the sunnah.
Islam › Re: Hijab, Muslim Rights In South Africa Respected by true2god: 11:04am On Jan 18, 2019
BenzEne1:
Salaam OP.
Hijab I think is allowed in some states dominated by Muslims.
It would be unheard of to make such laws in a state that has minute Islamic population.


Anyways why are so much Kaafir on this thread. You people should leave us alone.
Kafirobia alert!
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 3:15pm On Jan 16, 2019
najib632:
If you keep reading from the internet from non-islamic sources you'll only see the hatred towards Islam, Allah made Friday to be our day because, were better than the Jews in his eyes Saturday for the Jews and Sunday for the Christians, Look I don't like unhealthy arguments you should go to YouTube watch a video titled

Muslims Vs Jews | jihad for al-aqsa
Similarities between Judaism and Islam part 1 and 2

To get a better understanding, because there are people out there who sponsor people to lie against Islam.
Plus the fact cannot be that Allah and Hashem are the same cannot be changed, it is mostly Christians and ignorant Jews that bring up that argument, they use Allah too, I watched a Jew praying Salah and he said Allahuakber.

"The Jews see Mohammed as fake; the Muslims see him as the 'seal of all prophets" - I already told you this it is the only argument Jews have against Muslims, I hope you know what theology means because it covers over all of the conduct of religion.


"The Jews cannot enter Mecca or Medina. Mohammed banished and expelled them from there"

It was not Muhammad S.A.W who banished them I thought you and I have argued about this before, it's either you neglected or have forgotten - I told you that it was Umar R.A. who banished them and it was to preserve the divine message because the Jews can cause real damage to Islam, they could live in any part of the Islamic Caliphate except in Arabia. One of the wives of prophet Muhammad S.A.W was a Jew and a decendant of Harun (Aron), she used to brag that my father is Harun, Musa is my uncle and Muhammad is my husband, one of the greatest scholars of Islam was a Jewish Rabbi that became a Muslim, half of the Rabbis in Medina became Muslims, so what we're the others waiting for, When the prophecy of keradar was fulfilled before their eyes? Ask yourself what were the Jews doing in Medina when their home is in far away Palestine? Do you know that it was a Jewish woman that poisoned Muhammad S.A.W? If he hated the Jews he would have never eaten her food talkless of her visiting his house with the guts of poisoning him.

Allah is the one that declared the enormity between us and Jews and it will continue till the coming of the messiah. Yes Allah called the Jews worst of creatures because they rejected Muhammad S.A.W because he was not a Jew.

I hope you know that Muhammad S.A.W family lineage is directly from Ismael and they never had a prophet, So Allah put the Qualities of all the prophets in him.

Mohammed's God is different from the Jewish God

You have to do more research because even a Jew will not say this to a Muslim.
Don't be too emotional about this; we are only exchanging divergent views. Take it easy bro!
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 8:51am On Jan 16, 2019
najib632:
1. We both say there is only one Allah
2. Before we sacrifice anything we must say the name of Allah
3. Our prayer is very similar
4. They circumcise
5. Their practising women wear the hijab
6. We used to face Masjid al-aqsa in the earlier days of Islam until it was changed to Masjid al-haram so for several years Muslims shared the same direction in prayer with the Jews.
7. We both respect Musa A.S. very much.
8. We both fast on the day the Isrealites were freed from Egypt.
9. We are both forbidden from consuming interest, only that they changed theirs to not consuming interest from fellow Jews.
10. Capital punishment for adultery
11. The 10 commandments are adhered to strictly by practising Jews and Muslims
12. Jews and Muslims are forbidden from touching the opposite sex that's not related to them by blood i.e. Only parent and siblings.
13. Our theology is also very similar, a Jew can pretend to be a Muslim like wise a Muslim can pretend to be a Jew.

There's so much more you will have to find out some of them yourself.
The Jews worship on Saturday, the Muslims worship on Friday.

The Jewish people's generic name for God is Yahweh but the Muslims' generic for God is Allah

The Jews celebrate the feast of Passover, the Muslims do not.

The Jews see Mohammed as fake; the Muslims see him as the 'seal of all prophets'

The Jews cannot enter Mecca or Medina. Mohammed banished and expelled them from there.

Mohammed, in al-fathiha surah 6, said the Jews have incurred the curse of Allah forever and do condemned by Allah

Mohammed asked Muslims never to take them Jews as friends (quran 5:51) and called them worst of creatures (quran 98:6)

Mohammed's God is different from the Jewish God.

The Muslims do not believe in the original sin, the Jews do.etc
Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 8:40am On Jan 16, 2019
Empiree:
so whats your point at outstart (your previous post)?. Why blamed saudi when you are well informed?
I blame Saudi Arabia because they allowed themselves to be used by the western powers to do their dirty jobs. Besides, millions of Muslims see the Saudis as righteous people to emulate but unfortunately, they are the greatest hypocrites worldwide. Many Muslims, especially the shia, are condemning the Saudis everyday but the majority Sunnis turn blind eye to their evil.
Islam › Re: Fabrications And Errors In Sahih Bukhari and Muslim by true2god: 8:33am On Jan 16, 2019
abdulazeez1002:
Relevance seeking atheist!
This is the 2nd day of the year.....It's never too late to mind your business
I am not an atheist bro! Learn to be civil in your conversation.
Islam › Re: Identifying The Khulafau Rashidun (rightly Guided Caliphs) by true2god: 3:53pm On Jan 15, 2019
Do we have wrongly guided khalifa?
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 1:38pm On Jan 15, 2019
najib632:
Common man seriously this is 2019 and you still think Allah is an Idol? I hope you know the Arabs have Christians too? What will they call him then? Here's a verse though:
وَإِذْ قَالَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ رَبِّ اجْعَلْ هَٰذَا بَلَدًا آمِنًا وَارْزُقْ أَهْلَهُ مِنَ الثَّمَرَاتِ مَنْ آمَنَ مِنْهُمْ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۖ قَالَ وَمَنْ كَفَرَ فَأُمَتِّعُهُ قَلِيلًا ثُمَّ أَضْطَرُّهُ إِلَىٰ عَذَابِ النَّارِ ۖ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ

(Mufti Taqi Usmani)
(Recall) when Ibrāhīm said, “My Lord, make this a city of peace, and provide its people with fruits - those of them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.” He (Allah) said, “As for the one who disbelieves, I shall let him enjoy a little, then I shall drag him to the punishment of the Fire. How evil an end it is!

-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 126

I also hope you know that the only argument Jews have against Muslims is the prophethood if Muhammad S.A.W, they don't attack our theology because of it's similarity, but they argue a lot with Christians in matter of worship and theology.
Highlight the areas Islam is similar to Judaism?
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 1:36pm On Jan 15, 2019
najib632:
Muhammad S.A.W. only mentions things that Allah told him to mention and knows only what Allah permits him to know, the, there was a prophets named al-khidr mentioned in the Qur'an and we don't know his tribe, of course people like buddah are considered prophets whose teaching were changed an taken to the status of a diety, in India too they have holy books that prophesised the coming of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. but they too have deviated and became polytheists, and there were also prophets like Zoroastra, who were mentioned in hadith, there were other extinct Arabian tribes prophet mentioned too Like, Hud and Salih. But personally, I think it's because of how Allah loves the Jews above others that's why their prophets were mentioned more, because He wanted them to follow Islam but they refused, prophet Musa is even the most mentioned prophet in Islam. Islam means to submit to the one true Allah, so all these prophets did so, and hence they're Muslims, the Jews are deviant Muslims... O sorry before I forget to tell you prophet Muhammad said that prophet Musa was a black man like a person from the tribe of Azzut, which is the darkest tribe in skin colour from among the Arabs, and also that Jesus was a black man, and some scholars also say that from the linguistics of the Arabs they usually call a Blackman Adam, so this might indicate his blackness too. I am pretty sure kingdom of Benin and many ancient African kingdoms had their prophets too but due to corruption and greed the names were lost and the messages forgotten
You are very confused bro! You said so many things without making any concrete point. All what you say are conjectures.

My question still remains, why are all the prophets Mohammed's mentioned familiar with the Jews and their religion without, in any single place, mentioned the names of the prophets sent to the Indians and the Chinese? At least one Indian and one Chinese prophet will suffice. Mohammed claimed that prophets were sent to every nation and tribe but refused to mention any single one of them that are never associated with the Jewish people.
Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 3:53pm On Jan 14, 2019
Empiree:
stop pretending. You watched it and it is clear to you
I will watch it later; very busy right now.
Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 3:52pm On Jan 14, 2019
Empiree:
speaking of financing terrorists, why did Christians and you not protest this?. Is it not clear that there is conspiracy btw Saudi and Western world who jointly created terrorism worldwide?. Blaming Saudi alone is not good enough
I am sorry bro! The US and Saudi Arabia are evil. The US, according to Iran, is the 'GREAT SATAN' while Saudi Arabia is their puppet. The issue here is that the US 'gives no shit about it' while the Saudi are claiming saints while they are not.
Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 12:16pm On Jan 14, 2019
Empiree:
how this concerned you is what I don't understand. You don't believe in Shia either. So why trying to play games here?. Your antics ain't gonna work. I have told you point blank that I do not support action of Saudi in Yemen. We do not have to take to the streets before you realise we are not in support of prince action.
Then how is it the business of Muslims in Kano state on what is happening in the middle-east? How is it their business protesting against the Israeli policies while at the same time ignored what the Saudis negatively do worldwide, especially terrorists' financing and the killing of the Yemeni civilians?
Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 12:13pm On Jan 14, 2019
Islam › Re: Atheism Is Foolishness? by true2god: 11:55am On Jan 14, 2019
BeLookingIDIOT:
You're still alive cheesy
I will die after seeing my grand-children happy and doing well.
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 8:26am On Jan 14, 2019
abdulazeez1002:
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Are you ok?
Islam › Re: Atheism Is Foolishness? by true2god: 12:39pm On Jan 13, 2019
I like the way this debate is going and I'm really amazed that my Muslims friends have 'up-ed' their games intellectually. I not an atheist but this debate in quite interesting. Both sides are articulating their argument very well. Kudos to you guyz!
Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 10:23am On Jan 13, 2019
Empiree:
well, arguing on this with you is a waste of time. Allow me to give you analogy.

If unrelated fellow, stranger, hoodlum etc slaps you on the face, you most likely would react almost immediately to curb the person. But if a family member, parent, friend etc do the same, you would most likely restrain yourself. You would say something like "if not for you, if someone else tried this with me I would have retaliated instantly".

This means your reaction to both acts would be different bcuz of their closeness to you. In the same way, Israel is not Muslim friend in this case. It has long records of cruel treatments of its neighbors. Therefore, it is only natural that muslims protest against Israel.
Bombing and killing innocent children cant be compared with a stranger slapping you and a mother slapping her son. Creating a humanitarian disaster is unacceptable no matter which country is responsible, after all, sufferings and death knows no religion or race.

The shia Muslims protested and condemned Saudi action in Yemen while the majority Sunnis Muslims kept quiet. You should note that the Sunnis do not regard the shia as true Muslims. Why the silence and hypocrisy! And please note that the Saudis never protested against the Israeli actions in Gaza, while the Iranians do almost all the time.

Why are sunni Muslims countries silent on Saudi atrocities in Yemen? Oh, it is a family issue.
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 10:00am On Jan 13, 2019
Empiree:
you just shifted goalpost. What I acknowledged was that Jews don't care to spread their religion. They don't preach to non-jewish tribes or nationals to covert to Judaism. They prefer to convince non-practicing Jews to be religious one. But when it comes to imperialism, please tell me how they occupied and expanded "Jewish state"?. What does occupied territory means to you?. What's dropping bombs on defenseless people means to you?. Is this not imperialism?. Yes, they do not do this to gain converts. They did this to expand their Jewish territories. This is imperialism.




handsome submission. Dawah is not a crime. There is dawah in every religion. I will give you example. I was riding my bike on the road few months ago. I stopped momentarily to relax. Then two women approached me. They are Christians doing street dawah. As you know, once Christian evangelist realize that you are not ready to accept pamphlet but you engage them, they forced "Jesus is Lord" on you because they do not want to hear what you have to say. This is what the women did to me. She asked for my number after I engaged her and I gave her. Since then she would call me every Sunday morning to come to church. I have now blocked her after warning her to stop calling me. I told her the first day we met that she would never convert me. I immediately quoted her Bible against her which she doesn't like. She's now blocked because she was causing nuisance every Sunday morning while I'm in bed.




I am sure deep down your stomach you know you are just trying to find excuses. There are other muslim countries in support and manage holy site. Take ASO ROCK for example, it is very close to Hausa folks than Yoruba and Igbo. Even if Yoruba or Igbo man is president, majority of the people in the region would be Hausa that maintain and direct affairs of the building. This example is not perfect but it gives you perspective.



it is nationalism only if they do not allow foreign muslims to make pilgrimage there.
I think we are saying the same thing but with different argument around it. Judaism, unlike Islam, is not an imperial religion that seeks converts and expansion. They don't conquer land and territories based on religious beliefs and ideologies. The Jews, unlike the Arabs (Muslims) and the Europeans (Christians) are not expansionists by nature. The Jews, for over 4000 years in existence as a ethnic group, have never taken their quest for territories outside the bound of the old Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem. If you go through the Jewish history, they have been invaded by the Babylonians (modern Iraq), the Persians (modern Iran) and the Roman empire (modern judeo-christian Italy). They have always been in conflict and mobility but have never claimed ownership of lands beyond the 3 old cities of Jerusalem, Samaria and Judea.

And to be fair with you, I have no good knowledge of the modern conflict that involved the present Transjordan Palestinians and the present Jewish people. However I think their issue has more to do with religious ideologies than tribe. If all the Jews in modern day Israel become Muslims today, I can bet you the fight will stop. So their conflict is more of religious beliefs. And it will be very unfair of you to parrots the 'Al-jazerra' narrative of 'occupied Jerusalem'. Both the Arab Palestinians and the Jews claim ownership of Jerusalem. If you however go by history and anthropology, the Jews has a more legitimate claim to Jerusalem than the Arabs. Why do you think the Arabs are ready for the division of Jerusalem but the Jews had refused?

No, there is no dawah in every religion except Christianity and Islam. You can't see any Jews, Hindu, Bhudist doing any dawah the way Christians and Muslims do. What however made Islam different is that they do peaceful dawah in non-muslim land but aggressive dawah ( and jihad) in Muslims lands or places with a sizable Muslims population where they feel more secure to intimidate and oppress religious minorities.

You can't compare Aso Rock villa with the kabba, they have different symbols they represented, one is political the second is religious. A religion that preached a global appeal as 'the one and only true religion' and at the same time the control of it's sites and pilgrimages is the exclusive right of the Saudi authority cast a doubt on that claim: see links below.
www.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_9092254
https://qz.com/511115/its-time-to-take-mecca-out-of-saudi-hands/

Hajj, before oil and gas wealth, was the largest national income earner for Saudi Arabia. The Saudis made a tremendous profit from pilgrimage both in the pre and current Islamic era, the same way the Israelis made money from religious tourism in Jerusalem. During hajj, the hotels make money, the airline operators make money, the taxi drivers make money, the food vendors make money, the inflow of foreign cash to the Saudi economy will be so much that it can sustain the state for at least 3months without oil revenue. If you go back to the pre-islamic significant of mecca, you can relate it to the modern trade fair where people converge to do business en-mass hence the Saudi authorities will do all they can to promote hajj and make the pilgrim feel comfortable and spiritually fulfilled. The must allow foreign Muslims to do hajj because it is for their long and short run benefit.
Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 3:17pm On Jan 12, 2019
Empiree:
Absolutely, I did. The prince was wrong.
Almost on a daily basis Muslims curse Jews for their actions against the Palestinian people and some stage a deadly protest for that, when will Muslims worldwide protest the against the actions of Saudi govt in Yemen? I have not seen a single Muslim on the street pretesting against the Saudis, why?
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 3:04pm On Jan 12, 2019
Empiree:
everything else you said is irrelevant. We already knew that. I'm only gonna respond to the highlight. Saudi did not nationalize Islam. Matter of fact, Islam itself is against nationalism. If Saudi nationalized Islam it would have been exactly like Jews-Judaism. In another word, Islam would have been restricted only to Saudi Arabia. This would have been in conflict with Islam.

The issue of Hajj, it is only normal that since current Saudi Arabia is geologically located near the Kaaba, it only makes sense that they are the custodian of the Holy sites(makkah & Medina) with active involvement of other muslim countries because they too have the right. So issue you are trying to raise is not logical enough.
Thank God that you acknowledged all what I said are facts except the issue of nationalism of Islam. As I said earlier Judaism, unlike Islam, is not an imperial religion that seeks to take over territories, cultures, languages and even overthrow foreign govt. All these are features of Islam till date.

Islam is against localization of religion because it gives room to take over lands and territories, either by Jihad or dawah, depending on the situation Muslims find themselves in certain countries. If Muslims go to the US, they do dawah, but in India or Ethiopia they do both Jihad and dawah. Modern communication, knowledge and shift in balance of global power has significantly reduced global jihad. What we have now is stealth jihad through lawfare for hijab in schools, building mosques in catholic schools and some other islamically-induced privileges which gradually erode tradition laws and values.

You said because the kabba is located in saudi arabia so it is reasonable for the saudi govt to remain sole custodian of the holy site, that's wrong and a nationalist outlook on their part. You may not see this way especially when blinded by religious loyalty and not rationality. Since Islam is an international religion for 'all nations', the custody of the kabba should also opened to international custodianship and hajj operation should not be an exclusive right of the saudi royal family to control. Other muslim countries have complained about this but you dont seem to get it.

If the saudi government sees the custodianship of kabba as their sole responsibility is that not nationalism on their part? Is it not an attempt to protect their property and avoid external influence? History has it that Mohammed's grandfather was the custodian of pre-Islamic kabba when it was still 100% the meccan polytheist holy site, why do you think it should remain so now that it is an international religius site? Do you know the meaning of nationalism?
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 12:27pm On Jan 12, 2019
Rashduct4luv:
Open your thread and then tag me to explain the foolishness of atheism!
The challenge is now open, please deal ASAP:
https://www.nairaland.com/4955950/atheism-foolishness
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 12:22pm On Jan 12, 2019
Rashduct4luv:
Since you never see positivity in the classifications, then i will clarify some issues for you.

The Hadith is from the Qur'an as it is embedded in the testification of faith "I believe that there is no god/God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet" which you falsely subscribe to before you came here!

(a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80] Allaah described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(b) Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Nur 24:63]

Allah's word is the Qur'an.

Allah says we should obey the messenger, hence the hadiths!

As is understandable, when a religion spreads after so many years, there comes a time when some people may want to misinterprete its scriptures! Tafsirs seeks to preserve the understanding of the Qur'an and remove errors due to language barrier, phonetic barriers, political and economical settings barrier, etc.

The hadiths are collection of the traditions of the Prophet. This is transmitted from generation to generation before being written down. Each narration was scrutinised and hence the classification on whether authentic, weak or fabricated.

No one in Islam can add to the religion, it will be rejected! Unlike other religions.



I think on these Islam stands out among all religions of the world.
You have said so many things without giving any logical reason for your claim, that is Allah perfecting Islam. If allah had perfected Islam we wont have the shia going against the sunnis, the sunnis going against the ahmadiyya and the sunnis going against the shia, some of which ended up in killings and bloodbath. Perfection entails understanding and clarity, and in some cases, uniformity.

In a particular islamic tradition, it was said that Mohammed 'prophesied' that islam will split into about 72 sect and only 1 sect will be the true sect. What is the tendency that you belong to this 1 approved sect? Did Allah perfect the rest of the sects, be it the shia or the sunni?

If a system claimed that the owner has perfected it and yet there are loopholes and inconsistencies, that claim is a false claim to an outsider.
Islam › Re: Can I Have Intercourse With The Woman I Illegally Impregnated? by true2god: 11:25am On Jan 12, 2019
AbuUbayy1:
Yes, it must be viewed with it.
You may not understand because you are not a muslim
I don't have to be a Muslim for me to use my commonsense. Commonsense is not a function of religious affiliation. You don't sleep with a girl you cant marry.
Islam › Re: Qur'an: Human Rights, Freedom & Equity by true2god: 11:22am On Jan 12, 2019
Empiree:
Saudi problem. But you have anything to say about open prison, GITMO?. Is there any worst violation of human rights than that besides open air prison, Gaza?. I bet you would look for excuses to defend or skip this.
Do you condemn Saudi bombing of Yemen because they don't want a shia government there? Are shia not muslims?
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 11:16am On Jan 12, 2019
Rashduct4luv:
BRING A VERSE LIKE THIS:

This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Qur'an 5 vs 3)

You can keep mute if you have no such verse!
If Islam has been perfected, as you falsely claim, we won't have the hadith. Inside the hadith we wont have the authentic, weak and fabricated hadith.

If Islam has been perfected we won't have the tasfir to clear up the confusions inside the quran. Perfection entails clarity and completeness without ambiguity (which is very common in the quran) hence the services of the so-called 'scholars' to make Allah's words more reasonable.
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 10:59am On Jan 12, 2019
Empiree:
You appear in "Islam section" very often these days. Perhaps Allah may guide you.

But you sound more like atheist these days than Christian. Seems to me that you are losing your Christian faith.

Anyways, concerning your post, you failed to realize difference between Jew(tribe, nationality, ethnicity) and Judaism (religion). Where there seems to be confusion to some is that jews of today have nationalized their religion which makes them intolerant towards non-jewish tribe who claims to be a Jew(Judaism).

For instance, Igbo claim to be Jews but European Jews will not recognize them unless and only if they need them for political reason. This is why jews today do not care if any other tribes or nationals claim to be practicing Judaism. They rather try to get non-practicing European Jews to be religious. So Jews today is about nationality especially in the West. But those prophets mentioned above were Jewish by tribe and ethnicity not Jewish religion as we know today.

Those prophets never practiced Judaism.
One being rational does not make him an atheist. All religions are geo-specific and identifiable with certain cultures. If I was born in the UK, the chances are high I will be a christian. If I was born in Saudi Arabia, I will, by law, be a muslim. If I was born in India, the chances are high I will be a Bhudist or a hundu, etc. Claiming exclusivity to originality and calling other 'dirty kafir', which Islam is notorious for, is a high level of ignorance on the part of Muslims.

Judaism is a not a proselytizing religion/faith, unlike Christianity and/or Islam; they don't seek converts. Non-Jews, calling themselves Jews, be it the Igbos or the Ethiopians, is a high level of stupidity on their part. Jew is not a religion; Judaism is a religion exclusively associated with the Jewish people. The Jews are not begging the Igbos or Yorubas to join their religion, the same way the Saudis are promoting Islam worldwide, while suppressing religious minorities in their own countries, and also killing or jailing apostates from Islam.

It is very funny that you said the Jews he have nationalize their religion while ignoring the fact that Saudi Arabia, since the time of Mohammed, had already nationalized theirs. How? The organization of hajj, planing and logistics, is the sole responsibility of the Saudi people, despite the fact that hajj, just like the modern Olympic, is an international religious gathering. Iran raised the issue of Saudi Arabia nationalization of hajj and the Saudi authorities threatened them with fire and brimstone and vows to maintain the status quo.

I can never become an atheist; I will always believe in the supernatural because it exist and I am a living witness to its existence. Islam is just a no-go for a rational mind like me.
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 3:38pm On Jan 11, 2019
Rashduct4luv:
Good! Jesus was a Galilean Jew and his religion was Judaism but you are a Christian right?


Well, I believe Jesus was a Jew by birth and also a Muslim.
How can some be practicing Judaism and be a muslim at the same time? Is that what they told you in the mosques?

Islam/Muslims never existed when Jesus was on earth. At that time, Mohammed's ancestors were still worshiping the moon god called Allah at the kaaba.
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 2:54pm On Jan 11, 2019
Rashduct4luv:
Before we continue, was Jesus a Jew or Christian? grin
Jesus is a Jew and his earthly religion was Judaism; he followed the Mosaic law according to the Jewish tradition.

Don't draw me away from the issue at hand; according to Islam, is Jesus a Jew or an Arab (or practiced Islam)?
Islam › Re: Saying That Specific People Are Going To Paradise Or Hell in Islam by true2god: 12:35pm On Jan 11, 2019
Rashduct4luv:
All the Prophets mentioned are Muslims don't be confused. We have Jewish Muslims, Jewish Christians and Jewish idolators and we have Arab Christians too!
Israel is roughly 75% Jewish and 25% non-Jewish (mostly Arab).

Being a Jew, a Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Arab, etc does not specifically states a particular religion.

Just because Most Igbo are Christians does not mean we have no Igbo Muslim!

If you read my comment again i left a symbol like this ,......, among the Prophets. This represents other Prophets not mentioned!

And we were given only what we require and what we are given is sufficient! If he forgot then he would not have told us messengers were sent to every nations!

But seriouly are you expecting a list of all Prophets sent to every nation?
Jew is an ethnic group among the Caucasian/Semite family and their traditional religion is Judaism. Arab is an ethnic group among the Caucasian/Semite family and Islam is their traditional religion now (the predominant religion). Mohammed is an Arab whose religion is Islam while Jesus is a Jew whose religion is Judaism.

Jew = ethnic group.

Arab = ethnic group.

Judaism = Religion (mostly associated with the Jewish people)

Islam = Religion (mostly associated with the Arab people)

Jewish religion = Religion for the Jewish people

Islamic religion = Religion for the Arab people but many races and cultures are also Muslims.

Jesus = Jew

Mohammed = Arab

I think I need to address my points this way for you to understand better. Since your prophet said that your god sent prophets to all nations, meanwhile all the prophets you listed, except Mohammed, are associated with the Jewish culture and religion, can you please mention the names of the prophets God sent to the Indians and the Chinese people?
Islam › Re: Ruling On Fines For Late Return Of Borrowed Books by true2god: 11:34am On Jan 11, 2019
Rashduct4luv:
Yes it includes killing apostates for treason to the Islamic state. People can similarly be killed for treason to the country in a democratic setting!

In an Islamic state, Islam is the law. If you are against the law then you are an apostate.

And the Jizya is like a tax for enjoying the basic amenities just as in a regular democratic settings!

What's your headache on who is stealing in Saudi and who marries a 6 yr old? is it your money or your 6yr old?
You are obfuscating the argument. Let me make it simpler, is it a treasonous offense if I decide to leave Islam and embrace atheism or Christianity in Saudi Arabia without any apparent disturbance to public peace?

Do you think it is morally just to cut off the hand of a person who steal a water bottle, sweet, candy from a supermarket? Have you heard of any of the Saudi royal family member whose hand was cut off for stealing, or do mean they can’t steal? What happened to the Saudi prince accusing of drug trafficking few years back?

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