Abuheekmat: Islam isn't about degree or doctorate..
Studying Islam is PRACTICING AND CALLING PEOPLE TO ISLAM WITH QURAN AND HADITH KNOWLEDGE..
A perfect example of someone with doctorate degree in knowledge of Islam and is still a kafir is DR. ABDUL RAZAQ ABDUL MAHJEED ALARO, DR. RAJI GBADEBO SHAROF, DR. ASRAU BILAL ...they are plenty in Nigeria and even around the world..
There's difference in acquiring the knowledge and also using the acquired knowledge.. The latter is what makes the former a Muslim
Are these people Christians? What scholarship do you have to decide who a true Muslim is?
sagenaija: For your consumption: Rashduct4luv, Abuheekmat, AlBaqir, Empiree, Abdulazeez1002, Iamgenius, Lukgaf
Cc: Tintingz, True2god
I think Islam is a bag of excuses and these are some:
1) You have to study Arabic before you can understand Islam very well.
2) The hadith you quoted is a weak hadith and fabricated.
3) The sirah of rasool Allah you quoted is not authentic and unreliable
4) You don't understand the science of the hadith.
5) Islam is very peaceful when you study it deeply.
6) Islam is perfect but muslims are not.
7) The extremist are misrepresenting Islam and giving it a bad name. etc
In short, it is very tough to debate Muslims when they have 'ready-made' excuses to provide, most of which are outright lies. I have watched a couple of video by the 'Christian Prince' and very educative and informative. The guy was born and raised in Egypt and he has studied the quran, the hadith and speak Arabic as his first language. He also translated the quran into English. However to Nigerian Muslims, who are not Arabic speakers, who never spoke Arabic as their first language, who never spent a day in the middle east, who never studies the quran (the hadith, the sirah and altabari), who didnt understand the psychology of Islamic thought, the guy is a fraud that must be disregarded even if he presents a load of evidence before them.
tintingz: What does it mean for Allah to be called Al-Baari (the Evolver)?
According to the meaning I read, Al-Baari is part of Allah's name who created forms out of nothing and they(creation) evolve from previous matter.(confusing)
Now can something that evolve be term perfect? Can the creator be perfect in this case?
Muslims should explain what the said name of Allah mean.
tintingz: I'm criticizing your post, it has nothing to do with my position!
I'm telling you, you're not in authority to discredit other people's scriptures, no one has the authority to discredit people's scriptures. Present your logical argument with evidence that makes you think other scriptures are false not this your empty claims.
You claiming because of your scripture therefore other scriptures are false or faulty, that's like a post hoc fallacy.
The guy is so funny. It is like telling someone that my mother is the best cook. What evidence do I have? My mother told me so and I believed because she never lied and a god told her she is the best cook. This is the reasoning and the logic the OP is using. There is no any critical or logical reason that led to that conclusion except what his OWN scripture told him.
Stop lying bro. Even the uneducated primitive Africans were aware of this simple fact long before the coming of foreign religions: Christianity and Islam.
There is nothing miraculous about it bro! Study your history.
The expression of the verse has a mind-blowing style. For, the verse informs us that the seas do not mingle with one another despite all storms and huge waves.
Yes, science confirms the verses of the Qur'an as it always has been and proves that it is the word of Allah. It is as follows:
The French marine scientist Captain Jacques Cousteau, who is famous for underwater research, explains the results of his investigations about water barriers as follows:
This amazing fact, which amazed Captain Cousteau, about the waters that do not mix up though seas converge is explained with the following verse in the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago: "He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together. Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress." (Surah ar-Rahman 19-20)
Was this information not available to people before the advent of Islam?
AlBaqir: I've never alleged that Bible is a book of science. I said it talks about certain aspects of science. Anyway, you can read online: "The Bible, the Quran and Science" by Dr. Maurice Buccaile.
I will appreciate if you can explain the aspects of science the Bible talks about. Subjective opinion/writing should not be used as a reference.
AlBaqir: Sometimes you find things difficult to comprehend. If I say religion should be a guide for science, how on earth would you think my thoughts is on "laboratory experimental practices"?! Chai! That's a low thought man. It really show you do not even know the role of religion. That's why you quickly put aside Albert Einstein's quote. You do not equally grab what his quote meant. Do yourself a service by reading books on "religion and science".
Albert Einstein is not a religious scholar and some of his opinions have been debunked in the science circle. As a said earlier, science never depended on religion to validate their claim but religion depend on science to proof their religious text. Where religious writings are scientifically wrong, religious people are always arrogant to accept the failure on their part.
AlBaqir: Note, there are various field of science and religion could indeed be a guide in all of them.
Mentions the areas; I want to learn.
AlBaqir: Another polemic thought. Islam as a religion tolerate religious freedom. There were Christians and Jews in Madina at the time of the Prophet. Only those Prophet fought were those out of hatred of Islam joined hands with the polytheists of Makkah and bridged their agreement of peace with the Prophet.
The prophet said he will expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian peninsula and he did it. This is intolerance and evil which the saudi govt has maintained till now. The the Jews and the Christians were in mecca and Medina before Mohammed/Islam.
AlBaqir: Islam never takes it light with those who chose to cause oppression and corruption on the earth.
This is in quran 5:33. 'Oppression and Corruption' is a function of whose policy must reign supreme. E.g, if I dont believe in Allah and his messenger, eat pork, don't pay zakat, etc, these can be considered 'oppression and corruption' in the land which can lead to Islamic threat and violence (Quran 9:29, Read the tafsir of Ibn kathir on this)
AlBaqir: That is Islam. The story might change and indeed did changed when certain Muslim rulers launched their barbaric jihad or passed their fatawa. Their case is so serious that they can't even tolerate their fellow Muslims of another ideology as them. Then how can they tolerate other faith? Do not miscrue Muslim rulers with Islam.
The Muslim rulers are simply following the sunnah of the prophet; the first rightly guided khalifa gave an insight of what Islam is all about. Don't blame subsequent rulers for doing all what the prophet and the sahabas already did.
AlBaqir: If the word "Church" is used especially referring to the Christian history, it refers to the Roman Catholic Church history. It was later that the Protestant distinguished and separated themselves out of "the Church".
Interestingly, you yourself have used it in your above reply. So I wonder why you try to defend it again. "The church" is different from "The Christian" for the later encompasses all denominations of christiandom.
Thanks for the clarification.
AlBaqir: Ayatullah's policy against religious view? What is that? Many Iranians before the "Ayatullah's" Islamic revolution have been in the west. So why would you peg your polemic thought that it was "Ayatullah's policy" that is driving "Iranians in their millions " to the west?
Few people in every country go to the west for two reasons:
1. Greener pastures
2. "Western freedom"
Iranian economy is weak due to 40 years economic sanctions imposed on it. Therefore, it is natural for some Iranian youths to travel abroad. You know your countrymen better the way they also run to the west. Besides, some Iranians also go to the west to study, return back home and help his/her country. I am also a Nigeria in diaspora in the field of learning.
And on the other hand, those who chose Western life of "freedom" leave for west to live their lives to the fullest. It's a free world. Those who chose to remain at home and are contended with "The Ayatullah's policy" are at home leaving their lives. Why is that an Armageddon of the brain for you bro? It's a free world.
Interestingly, there are many westerners coming to Iran to study those "Ayatullah's policy". Lobatan.
You will agree with me that the current social order, in Iran, is the handiwork of the "Ayatullah's policy". Iran should make peace with their sunni neighbors and stop developing nuclear weapons. Most Iranian youths are very smart, look western and hardworking but the effect of the sanctions is pulling them back. It is shocking to hear that westerners are going to Iran to learn "Ayatullah's policy"; very funny and interesting.
AlBaqir: For your information, Iran is the ONLY country in the Muslim world that allow freedom of religion despite being Muslim majority. Their are Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians in Iran worshipping in their respective places of worship. Besides, each of these religious denominations have representatives in Iran house of parliament.
To God who made me, some Iranian pastors came to my hawza (Islamic university) last month for a conference and I had the chance of speaking with them.
Good to hear that. I also wish they remove apostasy law from their religious penal code. I have however read and watched many Christians being arrested for their faith in Iran.
AlBaqir: Islam and Iran did not stop you from choosing what you want so long you do not cause fitnah. Let me school you further: In Iran, there are cities predominantly of Sunni population with Shia minority. Iranian constitution is that there should be nothing like "Sunni mosque" or "Shia mosque". One mosque for all and the Imam will be from the majority in that particular environment. And to avoid religious violence, it is against the law to publicly preach what will incite the anger of either sect. For example, Ayatullah Kamal Haydari's program was banned from national Tv when it was "anti-Sunni". Iran believe such discussion is not meant for public consumption rather it is to be discussed in the classroom or research centers among learned.
I may preach what you don't like which, to Muslims, will be an incitement or corruption in the land. What must one do to avoid causing fitna?
AlBaqir: Now, How can a country like that allow atheism with their weird ideas publicly? Such idea is gonna hurt feelings of some people. If any "Iranian atheists" wants discussion and debate with Islam, offices of maraji' are always open for such. Why chose to disturb others with your distant thought?
Then there is no thought freedom if atheist are arrested and jailed for their beliefs. Atheist equally regarded we religious people as being delusional and irrational. Human beings will never have a uniform view about life and faith. Iranians are oppressive to dissident religious view that are against the officially sanctioned messages.
AlBaqir: You are either very ignorant of history or you are being driving by sentiment.
Muslim cities were once the leading cities in various aspect of science and learning which brought them huge development. Their western counterparts were.still in abject ignorance with witchcraft and superstition dominating their environments. Islam ruled Spain for 950 years (If I am not mistaken) and then Spain was far on top of European countries.
Today, why reverse is the case in Muslim world? It was your Christian west that destroyed the Muslim's Ottoman Empire (the last Muslim Empire) that brought many development to the Muslim world. Your Christian west stole many Muslim inventions and looted Africans dried to bring about their industrial and science revolution. Nearly all Christian scientists of the western world only worked on existing achievements of the Muslim scientists. And they tried to suppress those Muslim's scientists. You never heard of the name Ibn Sina, Ibn Rushd, Farabi, Jabir ibn Hayan, Al-Qawarizmi (father of Algebra) etc. What you hear today is Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton, Etc.
The Roman empire, The greek philosophers and scientist, were well advanced in science and art long before Islam came into the picture. Even during the dark ages when the church stifled scientific thought, Rome was well ahead of the Arab Muslims. I dont know where you guys get your patronizing argument: the mosques or madrassas?
AlBaqir: And today, your Christian west are making sure Muslims don't go back to their past glory. They continue to create evil for the Muslim world while their media do the propaganda of all sort.
Nobody is stopping the Muslim world from progressing. How much do the Muslim world spend on scientific research and development , and how much do they spend in building mosques and madrassas worldwide? While China, Japan, Korea, the US and Europe spend billions of dollars in scientific research and development, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, uae, Iran, etc spend billions of dollars building mosque worldwide. How do you want the Muslim world to develop? Stop blaming and start acting.
AlBaqir: That's not a further mathematics to accept. What I am telling ya is that Muslims influenced by Islamic thought established the basis of modern MEDICINE. Your Christian west only "stole it" and make it theirs.
You are parroting the same narrative Muslims are fed to make them look good and boost their ego. Revising history will not help Muslim world advance but facing current global reality. Oil will soon be useless.
AlBaqir: When people like you thinks you know Islam more than Muslims, then we should be expecting such polemic thought as above.
I know Islam more than many Muslims. As a matter of fact, many Muslims are ignorant of their text and history.
1. Beliefs - Aqaeed, This is the fundamentals of Islam (Usul al-Din)
2. Practice - Principles of Islam (furu'u deen)
3. Muamalat
All Muslim beliefs are in the Quran not hadith. All Muslim practices (furu) are commanded by the Quran and Islamic fiqh demonstrated them. For your information, Prophet's Sunnah (NOT oral and writing saying - hadith) was practically passed from generation to generation till date. The testimony to this is that ALL muslim's practices had been in full existence and were being practiced ever before hadiths are writing down centuries after the demise of the Prophet. For example the supposedly author of sahih bukhari was born 200 years after the death of the Prophet. And interestingly his alleged book of hadith compilation was compiled 150 years after his own demise.
You try 'well well'. The most important text document, after the quran, is the hadith. As I said earlier, most islamic laws and practices are found in the hadith. This same hadith are filled with absurdities and superstitions which you accused the medieval west for. Stop being intellectually dishonest.
AlBaqir: Sorry, is it your Dad that is controlling the wealth of Nigeria? Whether "In Islam" or any other government, there are some saddled with the responsibility of administration of public funds. What I am telling you is that northern elders do not discharge their responsibility truthfully and that is what led to the abject poverty of their environment not "bearing of excess children".
I have heard you Sir!
AlBaqir: Another polemical thought. How many people followed Jesus Christ during his time? How many of his 12 disciples comprehend him? The thieves, 419ers, babalawos, con-artists of today calling themselves Pastors; do you blame Christianity and its teachings or you blame Jesus Christ for their atrocities?
Please think deep before you write.
You made a claim that Islam is a perfect religion and I said we don't have any perfect religion anywhere hence I brought up the issue of confusions in the interpretation of your text documents by various 'scholars'. A perfect religion will not be subjected to so much misunderstanding among it member. Yes we have many 419 pastors, and all muslim clerics are saints. I laff in Chinese (cho-cho-chin-chin),
AlBaqir: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
That is his personal opinion and very subjective. Most scientists do not agree with him. The old USSR and China made great stride in scientific development without any form of religion.
AlBaqir: If religion and science "never" in your thought, how come Bible and Quran talk about various aspect of science?
The Bible is not a book science. Can you provide, from the Bible, where science was discussed? I am not talking about crude geographical knowlegde available to the Jewish people then.
AlBaqir: Those who are at fault are the interpreters of these "divine books". Some do not even comprehend the book or science itself yet want to talk about the two.
Most of the interpreters, I believe, understood their book and interpreted it based on their human understanding. Most interpreters agreed with some conflict between religion and science, while others tried to make their scriptures conform to modern science. Modern science never tried to conform to religion but religion always do.
AlBaqir: Anyway, I was not talking about religion vs science per se, I was talking about "the Church" and their crusade against science and scientists since their interpretation of certain aspects of religion (for example flatened unrotated world) were opposed by the scientists then. Many of the scientists were burnt alive, some hung for opposing "God" in the "church" interpretation.
Yes, during the dark ages, it happened because of the Church was centrally controlled by Rome and all scientific thought are made to conform to the church whims and caprices. All scientists were expected to tailor their research IFO her beliefs and doctrines. However, it all changed after the reformation by Martin Luther. Hence in Europe, science was encouraged and developed without central control from Rome. Europe became a technological power after that while Europe still maintained its 100% christian identity.
The Bible never said the earth is flat (Isaiah 40:22) but the papacy, being in conflict with non-clergy Christians on this issue, made it an anathema to go against their official position on this. The Pope was the one persecuting the church here. Mind you, the quran said the earth is spread out like a carpet.
AlBaqir: I am of the opinion that divine religion are there to guide science in its theories and applications.
'Divine religion' has a role to provide the spiritual and the moral need of the society. Religion can never guide scientific thought and/or experiments. I don't know where you are getting this stuff from.
AlBaqir: There is an aspect of Islamic study called "kalam and falsafah islami - Theology and Islamic philosophy". It dealt with "isms": atheism, facism, communism etc. You can get a glimpse of my discussion with an atheist in one of my threads. In short, in Islam, there is no compulsion in religion. However, as much as Islam is ready to discuss and debate any "ism", it draws line. In an Islamic society, atheist or homosexuals who choose to propagate their ideas publicly are not tolerated. What you do within the 4 corners of your house is strictly your problem. The reason why Islam is intolerant to those mentioned above is about protecting the society (especially people with weaker minds) from their ideas.
Yes, Islam in an Islamic society, is both the state and the religion that covers both the moral, economic, military, sanitary and even educational life of the society. And if I say Islam is an intolerant religion, I mean the relationship between Islam and other faith/belief. Islam divides the world into the Ummah and the kafir, just as the Jews divide the world into 'the Jews' and 'the Gentiles'.
AlBaqir: Kindly read through the lines. I didn't mention "Christian immorality". I only mentioned "Church immorality". And thst continues till date.
"Church immorality" is synonymous to "Christian immorality". You can't call one a bad name and tell him you are refer to his dog. Use a better adjective.
AlBaqir: What do you know about Iran? Nothing. Who told you her young ones hardly go to mosques, and that millions are turning to atheism? I live in Iran for your information. I have first hand information based on what I see. Unfortunately, people like you only depend on propaganda and fake news you read on the internet.
Iranians are leaving for the west, in their millions, as a result of the Ayatolla's policy against religious view, especially Islam. Most anti-Islam activist on the internet are either atheist or agnoist who have to leave Iran for fear of being killed. Stop leaving in denial; an apostate Muslim will not come out openly in Iran. There is no religious freedom in Iran bro.
AlBaqir: Iran produced best of the best Muslim philosophers and theologians. There is no single matter that arise in the world today without their scholars cutting it into piece. Of recent, Sayyid Kamal Haydari (who is an Iraqi cleric but based in Iran) discussed and shred into pieces all the submission of Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawking about Atheism. Iranian youths on the street will debate a grand master atheist. So, it is only on the page of fake news website that you are reading "Iranian and Egyptian" youths are turning atheists. That only happens in the western world since Christianity has not only lost its values but also cannot withstand atheist reasoning and submissions. For example there is absolutely nothing rational in 3 in 1 God that Christianity preaches. It is irrational.
You are partially right when it comes to Iranians being well informed. To me, they are the most educated among the Muslims world. You however went off tangent by drawing the issue of the trinity into the discussion. This is a christian theology that had been upheld before the prophet of Islam was born.
AlBaqir: Give yourself a homework please and research into Muslim medieval scientists. Only then you will know whether their scientific knowledge was influenced by Islamic thought or not. Let me give you an example: Father of Chemistry, Jabir ibn Hayyan (known as Geber in the west) was a student of Imam Jafar Sadiq (the 6th Shia Imam) in Madina. It was the Imam that adviced and guide him to start research and studies into Chemistry. He discovered many things that are the basis and fundamentals of today's chemistry. Other western Chemists simply built on his work.
Stop exaggerating the works of Muslim medival scientist. If they are so great most Muslim world will be great in science and technology today, but unfortunately the opposite is through. As a matter of fact, virtually all the scientist and engineers, whose laws and works are quoted in all schools worldwide, as from the christian west.
AlBaqir: Father of Medicine, Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd. The former book, "Canon of Medicine" was used up till early 19th century in the west. According to his biography, he discovered many medical breakthroughs via reading Qur'an I can go on and on bro.
I will read about this. Mind you black Africans were equally treating themselves of various ailment before the advent of Christianity and Islam.
AlBaqir: So your wish that it is not Islam that influenced those Muslim scientists per se is thrash.
Most of the medival Muslim scientist were great not because of religion but because of their quest for scientific knowledge. The Japanese are technological superpower not because the are Shintoist or Buddhist but by sheer hardwork, R&.
AlBaqir: Anyway, I am not discussing hadith here. Besides, I need to remind you that this very thread exposes some fallacies and fabrications called hadiths.
You can't separate the hadith from Islam. Over 80% of Islam beliefs and practices are found in the hadith, not the quran.
AlBaqir: If you think Islam is not rational, convincing and on reality, challenge any of its teachings and see if you can withstand its submission. Should we start about God by comparing the attributes of Christian God with Islam God? I bet you bro, you will run. Bring any topic.
I didn't make a claim that Islam is not rational, convincing and on reality. I only asked you to prove your claims with facts.
AlBaqir: I am a student of Islamic Philosophy by the way. Therefore, I will welcome any aspect of rationality, reality and conviction I boasted Islam is based on.
Good, congrats! You can throw more light on your claims.
AlBaqir: The birth rate does not contribute to extreme poverty in the north. Society failed such population. Northern elders are the richest in Nigeria, in Africa and among those in the world. Yet, their region is ravaged by poverty. Stingyness, selfishness, feudal dominance are what is making the North poor not birth rate.
That is the impact of religion and culture on any given society. Northern elders represents less than 1% of the entire population who control both the economic and the financial resources. It is a cultural thing in Islam for the Emirs, Ayatollas and the mullas to control the poor masses. This same game is being played out in the Arab gulf states. Most northern elders stole from the state resources and not through hardwork and innovation.
AlBaqir: By true Islam, I meant what the Prophet of Islam actually preached not the interpretation of today's scholars which they labeled "Islam". We.have various scholars with varying and opposing interpretations on a subject today. Could that be Islam? Two or more opposites cannot make right. Only Islam is right and true.
If the 'scholars' today cannot get their theology right, it is either the religion itself is not self-explanatory or the founder did not provide adequate knowledge to guide the future adherants. Whichever way, a so-called perfect religion cannot, at the same time, be a very confusing religion among it members.
Makito015: Thunder fire u there!! Nobody, i repeat, nobody can raise a dead body... not even ur jesus or Allah, nor the two combined!!
That's how they lied to u that reinhard bonke or whatever he calls himself raised a dead man here in nigeria. Thunder fire u (the op) and the South African pastor together! Cheats. see this one too..... them don't replace their sense of reasoning with that god.
Believing is a choice not a must
Take it easy bro! We know it is all lies. The police need to investigate this issue and deal with anybody deceiving the public.
AlBaqir: # Christianity started its failure since the time of the reign of the Church where the faith was antagonistic of science. The more science grew in the west, the more Christianity loses its bases. The two are not compatible.
Yes, science and religion never mixed unless you can prove to me that Islam is both equally religious and scientific in nature. Islamic countries stifle scientific thought as well hence the stagnation in science and technology virtually in all the Muslim world. If free thinking and criticism of religious beliefs are encouraged in the Muslim world, most Muslims will apostatize.
AlBaqir: # On the other hand, the Church moral atrocities also made people lost hope in faith. If not for the revolution of Martin Luther which brought about Protestant, Christianity would have gone to its oblivion in the west.
The word 'moral atrocities' is a big word to make any logical argument here. Before you accuse the Christian of 'moral atrocities', look into the muslims' MORAL ATROCITIES as well. The sunnis killed the entire family of the prophet of Islam, and the shia also believed that Mohammed was killed by Abu Bakr but used the Jewish people to cover-up their atrocities. Never throw a stone if you live in a glass house.
AlBaqir: All these and more paved way for other "ism" to establish their roots. Stats showed old people are adherents of Christianity today compare to the young folks in the western world.
Yes, older people moves towards religion as a result of the limited time they have left on earth and only natural to prepare for the life beyond. It is common in both religious and non-religious people. In the Muslim world, especially Iran and Egypt, young people hardly go to mosque and million are turning to atheism but have to stay in the closet for fear of 'apostasy' or 'blasphemy' punishment.
AlBaqir: # And when you talk about western material developments, it was NEVER EVER as a result of their Christian faith that paved way for such. Some of western earliest and today's scientists were/are not really believers. Some even faked to be believers to escape church persecution. Today with more freedom, it is far easier for them to reject Christian faith.
Yes you are right but most identify themselves as cultural Christians. Before the British industrial revolution, most of their young educated men were both theologians and scientist (Michael Faraday and the rest). And the European scientific revolution started when the church moved away from the central control of the papacy while more Protestant churches came into the picture which resulted into the increase I both philosophical and scientific taught. Both atheist and Muslims (allies in the evil of imposition of multi-cultural taught in modern Europe) also try to downplay or erase the role of the church in the advancement of the modern man.
AlBaqir: # Interestingly, you dare ask "muslim's contributions" to the development of the "world". While the Western world were in abject ignorance, their Muslim counterparts were distinct with various form of technological and scientific inventions. The basis of western scientific and technical achievement today are traced back to the Muslims scholars/scientists. And of course, west tried her best to stole those inventions and plundered Africa of her wealth to actualized her stolen inventions.
Islam is not a race but a religion. None of the scientist in the medieval Muslim world came from Saudi Arabia or Yemen (the traditional home of Islam). Most notable scientist during the early years of the caliphate are either Iranians, Jewish or Chaldeans living under the authority of the khalifa. The Iranians, the Jews and the Romans were not 'bushmen' or 'barbarians' before Islam. These people were already advanced in the scientific knowledge available to them then; it has nothing to do with Islam. The Islamic taught, both in terms of religious beliefs and tech development, have hardly changed for more than 900 years. Hence most Muslim countries became stagnated.
AlBaqir: # Coming back home. Nigeria or Africa Muslims are thousand of years behind. The kind of Christianity and Islam we embraced and practicing were fake to the fullest. Christianity of today is making wave in Africa owing to the superstition and abject poverty in this region. Same story in North America. Africans always see problems and challenges from spiritual perspectives. Church banked on that by introducing deceitful and magic "miracles". Some introduced wealth to entice and lure people and preach prosperity. Hence, the rising and increase of Christian population in the southwest Nigeria. Besides, Muslims are very weak in faith propagation than their Christian counterparts.
I don't get your point bro! Most of what you have in the hadith are also superstitions. In one of the hadith, it was narrated by the prophet that satan sleeps in the nose of Muslims and a special prayer must be made when one woke up and Muslims must watch their noses to remove the satan in the nose. In another hadith it was also narrated that the prophet does not allow pictures at home because angels dont visit such homes. Are these not superstition in your most trusted religious text? True, many churches are using 'kalamojay' to hoodwink their member, but you need to accept the fact that many Islamic sheik are also doing same. Just that the Christians seem to package their 'hustles' better and are more subtle in their trade.
AlBaqir: Islam is more of a religion of reality that talks and argue on conviction and rationality. Naturally, in an environment of ignorance and poverty, such religion doesn't really work unlike academic environments. Hence, you could see Islam is the fastest growing religion in the western world. You can understand the need for the "western world orders" to fight it via propaganda and introduction of wahabism by the British.
If you say Islam is a religion of REALITY, CONVICTION and RATIONALITY I will only laugh. You are only over-patronizing your religion and all your claims cannot stand up to scrutiny. Can you tell me how and when Islam becomes the religion of REALITY, CONVICTION and RATIONALITY? These are subjective claims that have no place in reality bro! Only your fellow Muslims, who want their ego inflated, will believe such a thing.
AlBaqir: Islam is growing in the northern part of Nigeria as a result of excessive child bearing and multiple marriage. When you see a man with 10, 20, 30, 40 etc children compare to the western Nigeria or esstern Christians. Thats something on its own. Besides, Islam is more or less been established as a culture in the north than being a religion.
Yes, 100% agreed. However, the high birth rate also contributed to the extreme poverty and ignorance prevalent in the northern part of Nigeria.
AlBaqir: Western Nigeria because of her education and enlightenment have prospect of being Muslim dominant (if not presently) by the time true Islamic teachings are more preached and propagated compare to the present distasteful propagation and emergence of useless scholars.
What do you mean by 'true Islam'? Is it ignorance, poverty, violence and intolerance? You are talking like a Jehovah's witness who is expecting the kingdom of God on earth, which is an illusion.
AlBaqir: Actually Christianity failed the society in different ways and naturally people seek "alternatives". The fake Islam we are preaching and practising in southwest Nigeria is also failing as people run more to Christianity since atheism is not prevalent in our society. Southwest Churches are far more smarter than mosques with various tactics while Muslim cleric's style of preaching and practising of Islam is irritating. If atheism comes, there is likelihood, southwest might become another western world.
How does Christianity fail the society? I would like you to throw more light on this.
The fact is that most western nations, where there is a separation between the church and state, are drifting towards materialism, atheism, liberalism and capitalism and I don't know why blame it on Christianity. The fruit of these changes are the increase in material possessions, acquisition of more knowledge and decay in the moral fabric of the society. And note that the Muslim world are migrating to the west to enjoy these changes and benefits. If Christianity has failed the society, what has Islam provided?
On the south west Nigerian Muslims, they are 1000% more tolerant than their northern counterpart. It is safer to stay among the Yoruba Muslims than the Hausa or Fulani Muslims (who has a very high propensities for bloodletting and violence). I don't know the criteria you used to come to the conclusion that the western Nigerian Muslims are fake. If western Nigerian Muslims are running towards Christianity, perhaps they see satisfaction and spiritual fulfilment in it.
People have different social behavior and tend to channel their religious beliefs towards a belief system that allow them express such behaviors more easily.
spiritualmubi: your sword appears to be double edged, your way of attacking Islam is subtle, only the wise can see. If it isnt religous driven : you-- why stressing that Iran is'nt a technologically advanced country despite the clear proofd and inevitable facts the op provided. Remember you are dealing with humans with faculty as yours.
My opinion on this topic never attacked your religion. Stop attaching my objection to the claim of Iran's technological sophistication to an attack on Islam. That's a straw man.
The Western world, especially Europe, is abandoning their Christian root for multiculturalism, atheism, liberalism, LGBT rights, Islam, capitalism and 'democracy'. It will be very difficult to know where this changes, the current social engineering, will lead to. I think it won't end well in the long run.
He was killed by fellow Muslims led by Hon. Elijah Mohammed, the leader of The nation of Islam. His radical approach to the civil right movement and his 'outshining' his master (Hon. Elijah Mohammed) and his radical shift from the non-combatant approach the nation of Islam organization hitherto preached and maintained, created so much rift in the group. He started having a serious trouble after granting an interview immediately J.F. Kennedy was assassinated and was barred from public speaking on behalf of The nation of Islam by the most HON. Elijah Mohammed.
He is one of the most honest man I have read of in my lifetime; a true Pan-African who fought for the emancipation of the black race from the white men. I have his video acted out by Denzel Washington.
aadoiza: Why don't you go through the hate-filled posts of your people before accusing me of fomenting religious hubbub on here. And whether you believe Iran is among the technological trailblazers or not, it does not change the truth. You could've fooled me with your presumably disinterested view, but anyone who's spent long enough time on here knows you could never give an objective opinion on Islam.
Albaqir, you see even with all the links you provided to corroborate your claims, your mate here still wishing they were false. SMH
You don't give a religious label to human development; human capital development has nothing to do with religion but a government's policy towards science education. No one is against Islam in this thread; people are only skeptical with the claim about Iran being a technology power. It you tell me that Ecuador or Nicaragua are now technologically advanced, I will do a very thorough check before accepting that claim. This has nothing to do with religion.
aadoiza: It's understandable why Christians don't want this kind of news on the front page, but when fellow Muslims think along that line it beffudles sound minds. Kudos to Iran.
Stop behaving as if Muslims are in a constant state of war with the kafirs. No one introduced any religious angle into the discussion until AlBaqir played the religious card which most of you fell for. The Japanese and the Chinese are not Christians but are globally known as technology power-horses. Stop this victim mentality being played here. If Iran is technologically advanced, as you claim, no one will open a thread for that; the world will see it by the fruits it will produce.
Abdulsamiuh: Saudi doesn't determine... Allah does.. I don't see any wrong in pointing one's fault irrespective of his status.. what they did is wrong, why are you so keen on denying this.. You seem like someone who wants to attack Islam... if you have vast knowledge about some matter, turn seek appropriate knowledge and stop talking due to your mere mind thoughts.. May Allah guide us All.. and Allahu A'lam
Yes, but the Saudi ministry of religious affairs determines who is qualified for hajj or not and can deny any intending pilgrim. The Saudis, as a matter of religious policy, do not issue 'hajj' visa to Ahmadiyyas, and many shia muslims (except the state sanctioned Iranian shia). So, to a very large extent, the Saudi have a very strong leverage as far as Islam is concerned.
Pointing out the deficiencies in any religion or organizations does not mean attack. If that is your interpretation for that that is ok then.
najib632: Allah is the God of the living and the dead, the seen and unseen, the known and unknown. Allah is blanced and he had already told us that this life is a test and when we die, the reality will befall us. How we lived our lives will dictate our condition in the hereafter. It is from the grave that a soul will know wether it os destined to go hell or paradise.
Because the test has come to an end and our purpose is not to see Allah but to worship Him and recognise His signs. You will agree with me that there are some functionalities of the brain that are not accessible to the human being, on judgement day this abilities will be accessible to the human and besides the deal is done. The veil between the spiritual realm and physical real will be lifted all dimensions will merge. So all the Jinns and the angels you deny their existence you will see them on that day, aliens or other creations of Allah will be seen too...
Yes of course! How ?
This reality is a test, we were created and given a choice to worship Allah alone without ascribing partners to Him in worship, those who let the devil misguide them(those who do not truly believe) will realise their stupidity and arrogance. While they were on earth they used to mock those who were not misguided by the devil (those who are sincere to Allah) and see them as fools and treat them harshly and tarnish their image, both will be paid with what they have earned.
Allah is in a reality far greater and higher than ours, a 1000 year of ours is equivalent to one day with Him: يُدَبِّرُ ٱلۡأَمۡرَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ إِلَى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ ثُمَّ يَعۡرُجُ إِلَيۡهِ فِي يَوۡمٖ كَانَ مِقۡدَارُهُۥٓ أَلۡفَ سَنَةٖ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ
(Sahih International) He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count.
-Sura As-Sajdah, Ayah 5
Do you see the equation? Speed = Distance/ Time
Speed = the affair
Time = day
Distance = a thousand years
Sidereal day = 23 H 56 min 4.0906 sec = 86164.0906 sec =Time
1000 years = 12000 months
Assuming L = The route length of the moon's trip in one month
Distance = 12000 × L where, L = vT T = Period of moons revolution v = Relative speed to star or universe = ve.cosX X = angle formed by earth's revolution during one sidereal month ve =Relative speed to earth = 3682.07 km/hr
= 12000 × (ve × cosX) × T = 12000 × 3682.07 km/hr × 0.89157 × 655.71986 hr = 25831348035.086 km
Speed = 25831348035.086 km / 86164.0906 sec = 299792.49 = Speed of light.
(Sahih International) And say, "[All] praise is [due] to Allah . He will show you His signs, and you will recognize them. And your Lord is not unaware of what you do."
-Sura An-Naml, Ayah 93
Arrogance! Stop yourself from aging and dying. Infact let's not go too far stop yourself from excreting waste products from your body or design yourself to not breath oxygen or eat food .
Their test is over...
Allah creates what He wills, only Allah has a will, the humans only have a choice but many do not know. Allah made the child to be a test to his parents, while his test was the discomfort of the ailment, for every discomfort a person suffers and endures for the sake of Allah will reward the person with what he cannot imagine and cleanse him of his sins and forgive him and have mercy upon him. Allah tests the soul with only what it can bear.
(Sahih International) Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."
-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 286
I think you should debate religion and leave science out of it. When you attempt to 'force' science into the Quran, that is a recipe for more confusion. I really don't see any sense you make with this application of an unrelated scientific formula with a Qur'anic verse. You ended muddling up the whole argument.
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I can go on and on bro.
