₦airaland Forum

Empiree:
Need I say more?. You summed it all by acknowledging facts but spoiled it by adding "so called"to suggest they are not necessarily CHRISTIANs. Anyways you agree that Jews and Christian terrorists are greatest threats to humanity right now.

Even though you decided to bring about way against apostates by Abu Bakr (ra), I can also go back to history. Before prophet muhammad (saw), didn't Jews and CHRISTIANS at war as well?. How about Roman army that invaded Jerusalem and destroyed it?. And other countless wars like that before the advent of Nabi Muhammad, were they muslims?

Empiree:
But you said this earlier




And now because I mentioned Judeo/Christian TERRORISTS you backtracked

Empiree:
So you can tell me to remove the religion lens after I mentioned "Judeo/Christian TERRORISTS", abi?. But you comfortably attributed violence to Muslims but you don't want to do the same with Jews and Christians.

najib632:
An advice to true2god:
if you're truly true2god then you should study Islam from the orthodox creed if you continue jumping around you'll not see the truth. Start from the bottom to the top, not from the top to the buttom. Islam doesn't have any faults it is the Muslims who have faults.

Empiree:
Again, who do you blame, British or Rohingya?. Aren't the same british that forced marriage on different tribes and ethnic groups in nigeria?. Their horrible crimes are well and alive far more than Turks treatments of armenia. I do not condone Armenian genocide. Up to this mins, it is western world that constantly reminds the world of Armenia genocide while ignoring theirs. If we put percentages side by side, obviously Judeo/christian terrorists did worst. Let's just start from 18 century alone. Or have you forgotten Italian brutal invasion and genocide of Libyans under Mussolini and general Graciani?. Apart from Armenian genocide, you can hardly point to where muslim authority was invading countries and on killing rampage. it is very rare. But Judeo/christian terrorist have long record of invading muslim countries and killing them till this second. But if you want to use the terrorists created by them to make us believe they are muslims, you wrong. We all know isis and co are covert operations. Therefore, they can't be solely muslim vs others.

Empiree:
I tried rationalize what you just posted

Empiree:
So caging Rohingya and burning them alive and many were buried alive is "chasing them out" from their ancestral land?. Whats the point of judicial process?. then, blame the british. British created problems we are seeing in the world today not islam. The issues of sahaba you raised are within muslims. Compare that to what British(christians/Jews) did to the world of mankind. So you are justifying indiscriminate killing of Rohingya muslims over a land just like many of you guys justified killing of Palestinians. Kontinu

You are obviously not a christlike

Empiree:
where do you stand in all of these?. saudi ppl do not represent islam. We only respect them by virtues of Makkah and medina. so you dont need to always attribute violence to muslims. Bcus they entertained Carey doesn't mean they are right. We have hadith which speaks about SCUMS prevailing in the Arabia. It says when scums prevailing, wait for the destruction of Arabs. We are seeing scums now. The are basically going from one extreme to another.

najib632:
I was told about the beauty pageants issue, and the protest is Justified how dare that man (I have forgotten his name) say that prophet Muhammad S.A.W will choose an unchaste as his wife? I also support the boycott of Denmark why will they draw the messenger of Allah S.A.W? Did the Muslims ask them? Or do they love the messenger of Allah S.A.W more than us? If you know that when you try to touch a scorpion and it will sting and you go ahead to touch will you blame it?

This are just tactics by the west to justify the atrocities made against Muslims. Till today America is yet to provide the evidence of WMD's they accuse Sadam Hussein of. They're the one's that sponsored and trained Osama bin Laden, but they later called him and the Talibans terrorists. They let Palestinians die like insects everyday, support the attrocities on Yemenies and, turn a blind eye to the massacre of the Rohingiyans, sponsor IS and install CIA agents and freemasons as Presidents of a country, while they steal and prepare the world for the coming of the anti-christ.

najib632:
Allah will Judge us, on the day of Judgement. Let the leaders continue in their injustice, let the government scholars continue to support them. It's inevitable that we will all die and be Judged by Allah, let us who can see take heed, the antichrist will soon arrive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AtyVhUPTOE

najib632:
You should stop associating Muslims with violence. As long as no one insults the messenger of Allah S.A.W and Allah S.W.T. you can do what ever you want. Why do you think Muslims of Sokoto and Islamabad will protest if I may ask you? Anyway that aside, if there's no hypocrisy in your heart you wouldn't support, immorality and Satanism. Call us fanatics and whatever that's worse than that, but we do not care Allah knows what is in our hearts. I swear by Allah, something big is coming and it will consume the people of falsehood, their promoters and allies. Let them rejoice it is but a little while that ibn Maryam A.S will come. Almost all the minor signs have come to pass, it is time for those of us who are not deluded by the duniya to increase in our ibada, sincerity, and memorize the holy Qur'an.

AlBaqir:
Prince Muhammad ibn Salman and UAE prince "with whores" at night party in U.A.E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jdm-3TJcdo&feature=youtu.be


You can even see the height of stupidity where "hafizahullah" is being used for him.

frosbel2:
Oh well, we are on the same page then -

frosbel2:
So starvation that leads to death , is worse than an endless eternity of human barbecues in the lake of fire ?

etrouble:
Have you, your friends and family not been sleeping with different ladies without marrying them? Have you "Civilized" ones not been promoting and hailing baby mamas?

AbuUbayy1:
Yes, it must be viewed with it.
You may not understand because you are not a muslim

frosbel2:
Kindly review the character/characters below, consider their actions and then select the most vile and despicable amongst them in descending order, starting from the most vile to the least vile , and then state your reason for this choice.

Who among these characters is the least worthy of respect, honour or remembrance , now and for all eternity :


1. The Christian 'God' who will torture 90% of human beings who ever lived , in the hottest fire ever experienced by man ; complete with flesh burning , teeth gnashing, horrendous wailing, the excruciating pain of a remorseful conscience, darkness and worst of all dwelling among demons for ALL ETERNITY and YET offer these miserable creatures not ONE bit of relief , all the while laughing them to scorn with his Son , Jesus.

2. Hitler who was responsible for the genocide of circa 6 million Jews in the most gruesome manner , especially after subjecting them to the most humiliating punishment possible.

3. The Nigerian government who starved millions of Biafrans in to a painful death and subjected those who survived to humiliation and hopelessness.

4. The perpetrators of the Transatlantic slave trade that resulted in the painful death, suffering , humiliation, rape and bondage of millions of black Africans.

5. Ancient idol worshippers who sacrificed their children and adults to their gods, often with a lot of bloodshed and roasting, albeit for a limited period.

baliyubla:
The short Devil lying fake pastor must ask for a refund from the fake Afenifere.

Buhari/Osinbade should never be an option. The difference as they say, is clear.

najib632:
Al-baqir is spreading fitnah by Allah. Al-baqir it is better for you to stop these things, if only I knew Arabic I would have read the Arabic wording of those Hadith for myself. Thanks very much for this post @Empiree even though it was intended for @sino but it revealed @Al-baqir's intention of refusing the facts, even though he is the one that sent the write up himself. This has shown that Muslims really need to learn Arabic language if not criminals disguised as a scholars will mislead us.

As-salamualaikum.

sino:
Lol, yeah objection is the context of the narration, the blind man was already consulting his lawyers to sue! Talk about twisting to validate claims...

Rilwayne001:
He's certainly not a true follower of Jesus. I'm sure of that. The Bible and Christianity has been exposed so much on the religion section for him to remain one. He's only here wishing and trying to make Islam appear usless like his Christianity is. He's on a futile mission with Taiwo.

aadoiza:
The guy don fail already. Only fake atheists like tintingz would see sense in his facade.

sino:
No, there is a difference between asking questions and revelation came down to answer and a fictitious claim about being the one writing your own words to be revelation! The blind man didn't claim to have received revelation, nor did he influence the outcome, he only asked a question and answers were provided through revelation. What is the purpose of having a Prophet amongst you if you cannot ask questions and get response via revelation?! Perhaps when you understand this, you would not keep trying to force your Christian propagandist views about the Qur'an and what you think is interference in the cause of revelation.

How do you want me to address your ignorance in claiming that a hadith is surely fabricated?! Are you now an Islamic scholar of hadith?!

Empiree:
Nonsense! The only one who could tell us that a verse of Qur'an was removed was prophet Muhammad (saw) himself. No one else has the authority.

So abrogations of verse that Quran is talking about refers to previous Books like your Bible and Torah.

sino:
If you ask me a question and I provide answers, does that mean that the answers are from you?!

If I am to provide a guide for you (in real time) as you navigate your path in a jungle for instance, is it logical that you would ask me questions and I should provide answers?! Does these answers come from both of us?! Who is the guide and who is being guided?! Does your questions interfere in the fact that I am the one providing the guidance?! Does your interference or influence takes away the fact that I already know the answers and I am just attending to your needs as it comes?!

The Qur'an was revealed for 23 years addressing different issues some of which includes providing guidance to issues early Muslims faced. The Qur'an is meant for mankind, the practicality and the reality we face. It wasn't revealed at once for the early Muslims to figure out as they lived their lives, rather, they had the rare opportunity to experience the practicality of divine revelation, so that we can learn, apply accordingly and not make silly excuses that the guidance is impracticable!

As already explained, the question the blind man asked was for clarification, strengthening the fact that you are indeed allowed to ask questions in Islam, as well as the practicability of revealed knowledge and wisdom.

I am sorry but you do not have the requisite knowledge to "put your mouth" in this issue, let alone give a verdict on the authenticity of any hadith!

najib632:
Trust me Sir, it is better for you to learn Islam from the orthodox creed so that you will have a better understanding. Yes Allah knows everything that will happen before it happens and after it does, but revealing the Qur'an an illiterate messenger(Muhammad S.A.W) and encouraged memorization as these were the best ways to preserve it. The Jews and Christians succeeded in changing their scriptures because they were mostly written and not memorized. Also another reason for revealing verses one at a time was for us to have a hadith, a tafsir or a spiritual connection to the verse, the Qur'an is the Last testament, and Islam is the final creed so out of the justice of Allah S.W.T. He had to teach the Sahaba many things so that they will pass it on to the future generations and these teachings can be applied until the last generations.

najib632:
What do you not understand Sir?

sino:
We both know what I mean, this is not the first time we are engaging on issues like this, but one thing is certainly clear, your deceit cum ignorance!



Always shifting the goal post when exposed, na your way! I didn't quote the verses of the Qur'an to talk about some fictitious consensus, the verse of the Qur'an is clear, Allah (SWT) Says: “Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?

What does "or cause to be forgotten" means Mr. intellect?! If abrogated verses must be in the Qur'an, what about the verse(s) caused to be forgotten?! My question about the verse was, did it also mean that Allah (SWT) forgets (audhubillah min dhalik!), since Allah (SWT) had to reveal another verse to nullify a previously revealed verse?!

Now back to your claim about the hadith in question, I first quoted a verse that permits companions to ask questions during revelation so as to make things clear, you ignored that... Again the narration explicitly stated the revelation was revealed to INCLUDE further clarification (so as to placate the blind man's worries), which normally was inherent in the first revelation. If I tell a group of students to run, and I know that one of them is handicapped, you don't need to be told that the handicapped is exempted, but for clarification, especially seeing the protest by the handicapped student, I would have to tell the student that he is definitely exempted! But in your quest to find fault where there is none, you claim that the narration meant that Allah (SWT) forgot (audhubillah min dhalik!)

This is your deceit and ignorance, it always manifest when you attack the sunnah!

Rashduct4luv:
Same Christians kneel for graven image of Jesus & Mary and seek help from dead saints! The Christian book contains the old Testament that contains a lot of things done with the Tabernacle... So this is no Judgement. The Judgement without doubt is what our texts says about the black stone? About Allaah? About stoning the devil?

The truth is clear from falsehood!

Empiree:
^^^

I don't even believe any ayah of Quran was abrogated. As reported above, if Uthman(ra) said he would not shift anything ayah from their place it means they are valid till Qiyamah. Which means, abrogation or cancellation of ayah is taking about previous Divine Laws (Tawrat and Injil) for examples.

najib632:
I am a Borgu from Kaima, Kwara state the name for the one true diety in my language is "Luda" and most of the time when our scholars are preaching they use the word, we swear by it, ask for a favour with and many more. If there was anything wrong with the word Islamic scholars would have preached against it already. We used to be a people that worshipped fire in the ancient times before Islam and also we had other lesser dieties like the god of calabash(hahaha! Crazy right), I never knew we even had other lesser dieties because of how profound Islam is amongst my people even though I heard there are still some that are pagans, but they're a different dialect(sister tribe). So your aim of saying it's impossible for a single Diety is demeaning, Ifa in the language of the Yoruba's can be considered as the word Allah, if they consider the word to represent the supreme God and the Islamic scholars from their tribe deem it fit, due to attributes the people consider their Supreme diety to have and also from the theological perspective of their culture they can replace the word Allah with Ifa, Just like my tribe does. The greek mythology of Zeus as their Supreme God is a very degrading and weak portrayal and hence Zeus cannot to be used as the word to replace Allah in their language, Just like how the Hausas discarded the word representing their supreme diety due to it's weakness. A tribe can also do that out of preference, Indian scholars use the word Allah even though they have their own word for it[It's not that blue god you see, some researchers have identified it to be the devil himself due to the symbolism of the serpent, and the occultic karbala Jews (may Allah's curse be upon them) use it.] You should do more research on occults before concluding your atheism and you will definitely see proof of the devil's handiwork against you. I will tell you once again watch the series titled the arrivals, download it from the internet from torrent sites, or YouTube(but some of the videos are deleted because of the evidence they contain)

Allah knows best.