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Fr0sbel: In purpose and will , they are co-equal.

However in essence or personality they are not. God is greater than Jesus as Jesus said , My Father is greater than I.

Jesus Christ totally accepted the will of God throughout his entire life, in other words his will was swallowed up with the will of GOD.

He expressed the mind of GOD exactly as GOD meant it to be.

@Frosbel.

Have you red Exodus 23:20,21?

What do you say about those verses?

If that angel that bears God's name was to speak to moses, in whose name will he speak and bear?

What will he say his name is?

I wish to hear your views on this thanks.

We all know that sinning against the holy spirit merit one God's permanent destruction.

The (anointed) christian is normally filled with God's holy spirit.

If a christian that is filled with the holy spirit (mark of aproval) REFUSES the leading of the holy spirit DELIBERATELY and does what is wicked DELIBERATELY the result is automatic rejection by the giver of the holy spirit God himself.

Since God is the giver of the holy spirit the sin is therefor against the giver and owner of the holy spirit the almighty God and it is the almighty God that destroys such a person "both" spirit(life force) and soul(life) permanently in Gehena.

So, sin against The holy spirit is a sin against the almighty God the giver of the holy spirit.

The almighty God sent his holy spirit to Jesus after his baptism and he filled with the spirit start his ministry and also started performing miracles.

Jesus also said he will beg the father to send the holy spirit to his disciples so that they will have power.

So, the holy spirit belong to the father, it is the fathers power and the father gives it to whomever he wishes.

nedostic: @Frosbel, no qualms. I know you have been quite busy responding to our responses.

@ Frosbel, Goshen360,Trueslight, et al.

Still on the water baptsim formula question. Let me reiterate it once more, how come most of the baptisms as done in the bible were in Jesus name and the not the name of the father, son, and holy spirit.

Hint: History suggests that the roman catholic church might have 'tinkered' with the baptismal formula to suit the pagan doctrine of the trinity.


I am convinced some of us are truth seekers and and an avid readers.

I am a 'little' semblance of your ilk becuase I do not fully support traditions that are tweaked in falsehood.

Anyone can do a 'google search' on this matter if one cares enough.

Perhaps, anyone who has access to this 'The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263' can equally read it and check if of a truth the baptismal formula was changed or not.

More so, these links would be of help to anyone who might be in doubt of the change in baptism formula.

http://www.upcbaypoint.com/Articles2/early_church_baptism.html

http://soul-net.freeservers.com/Baptism.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/armageddon/HistoricalBaptism.htm

http://www.zimbio.com/The+Acts+of+the+Apostles/articles/NOzb41ZPnVv/Baptismal+Formula+History+Scripture

http://www.globalanswers.us/PDFs/Christian%20Baptism.pdf

http://www.torahofmessiah.com/matt2819.htm

http://www.bukisa.com/articles/419748_baptism-in-the-name-of-the-lord-jesus-christ

http://www.endtimesministry.com/biblestudies/baptism.html

@ All, please let us be guided by truth rather than traditions that run amok to what was earlier done by the Apostles.

More so, as Christians, the onus is on us to study the bible and history most times serves as a good reference point to tracing the truth in one's beliefs. We are indeed in a 'fortunate' 'INFOage' in a way; let us explore the WEB the more on other salient issues. I believe the spirit of God is embedded on most of these eye-opening scriptures!

Mind you, I hate to say this, I have a strong aversion and derision for denominations, I am looking forward to a church and not RCCG or Deeperlife or Winners or Catholic or JW,or Oneness, just name it. Too much of confusions from multifarious sects and denominational dogmas!

We are seemingly 'near' what the book of Daniel 12:4 stated about extensive knowledge base!


I am awaiting a contrary opinion on this baptism in JESUS name and not in the TRINITARIAN formula backed up with scriptures and perhaps historical facts as well culled from websites.

I want to learn please! God bless us all!!

If we or I alone might have erred from peddling false doctrine(s), may the most High God grant us mercy and grace(AMEN)!!!

the holy spirit(God's power) is very important in the life of a chistian.

JESUS told his disciples that they will receive power and that they will be witnesses of him to all judea and to the most distant part of the earth.

obadiah777: HE MAY TAKE AWHILE CHIEF. HE IS VERY BUSY http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3ucKfSXR3-vVW1rIUWcsmbGzx7ZYkIMlnUKxmjtw7d1xCueL6&t=1

what was that?

Lol

Goshen360: Bros, you go fight me tire o. I say make you cool down. In fact, you need to take a deep breath and chill out. I know you are fighting for the truth but I asked you, have you read Genesis to Revelation and you sure you didn't see where the Bible calls the Holy Spirit God . How am I then suppose to be sure you know the truth that your id bears? In fact, I will show you MORE than one scriptures where the bible calls the Holy Spirit God ONLY when you cool down and stop all this your gra-gra. If you make me vex sef, I will postpone it till tomorrow and let you salivate for me to show you. Cool down bro.

friend, am done with this issue, stand for the truth even if it puts you in the minority, at least we will make God's heart rejoice.
Peace.

If i have said what you dont quite like, then am sorry.

But whom the father loves he disciplines.

Ciao.

Goshen360: Are you VERY SURE you have read Genesis to Revelation and you didn't see where the bible calls the Holy Spirit God? Are you VERY SURE?

YES.
the holy spirit is God's power and not "God"

God owns it, and Yahweh uses it to empower whomever he so wises.
Peace.

Exodus 6:3 calls Yahweh almighty God.

Isaiah 9:6 calls Jesus mighty God. QED

Goshen360: My brother, I have told you times without number. Your manner of communication is too harsh and you need to cool down. Let God teach you how to add Grace to truth. If you keep talking like this, I might as well decide NOT to show you where the Holy Spirit is called God in the Bible. To me, you are kind of too harsh on the choice of words, that is not the way to deal with other believers. Relax and learn.....no be gra-gra. okay.

guy, just show me a scripture that calls the holy spirit God and i will apologies and leave this thread.

If you find out that such name for the holy spirit is not found in the bible i will expect that you leave trinity doctrine because of the fear of God and never attempt to defend it again forever.

Dont even pretend that there is a single place in the bible from GENESIS to revelation that said that the holy "spirit is God" because there is none and am telling you today.

Peace

Goshen360:

Brother, I say make you cool down small. Abi wetin happen naw? No kill me because of this Holy Spirit o.

Okay, do you believe the Bible says the father is God?

Do you believe that the Bible calls the Son, God?

Now we are left with where the Bible calls the Holy Spirit God right? Answer the two question above and I will show you, okay. E be like say you wan tear me here o. Take am easy bro....but no forget my tithe for me to tell you sha

this whole thing is because you quoted the bible as saying that the holy spirit is a God, and that is not true.

The bible calls Jesus God.

The bible calls Yahweh God.

The bible calls them persons.

"Infact the bible says that christ enters into heaven itself to appear befor the person of God"

but no WHERE in the bible from GENESIS to Revelation that the bible calls the "holy spirit God"

but you on this thread said it does!

Can you now understand where am coming from?

If some one says he accepts the trinity, fine and good to the person, but let him not say that the bible teaches it.

Even the catholic church calls it a mystery and not that the bible calls the hole spirit a God.

Goshen360: Brother, what exactly is the problem? Is this how you communicate with other people not to talk of your fellow believers. Are we fighting or what exactly is the issue here. Okay, you haven't know me too well. Sometimes, I throw in jokes just to ease tensions but you are not proving mature communication here. please, try to add Grace to the truth you know. Abeg cool down okay. You are being too harsh with the use of words. Cool down and let brotherly love prevail. Okay. I beg you.

if i tell you i dont deliberately lie you may not belive it.

Friend, i HATE lies.

Most especially lies on God's word.

From GENESIS to revelation. There is no where that the bible said that the holy spirit is God, so, when you said that the bible calls the "holy spirit God/god" there is no way that can be funny.

The father of the lies is satan so when i see a person lying my disdain is instanta and am even more seriouse when it can cost peoples life, how much more do you think that God will feel?

People can be wrong but not when they say that the bible says what the bible did not say.

Goshen360: Well, I will give you scriptures when you calm down. I can sense that you are becoming rude in your communication with other. Let me kindly leave you alone for now until you are able to add Grace to the truth you claim to know for Grace and truth came by Jesus.

i should calm down so that you can lead people to eternal destruction?

Why should i calm down when you are teaching a pegan doctrine?

No, show us where the scriptures says that the holy spirit is a person/God


you had said that the bible said that the holy spirit is a God, so please show us.

if you quote the bible as a child of truth it must be what the bible says and not to lie with God's word.

Dont you have the fear of God?

How can you say that the bible called the holy spirit God the way it calls Yahweh and Jesus when it does not?

Ihedinobi: You want an argument, don't you? I will not accommodate you. I have kept reading your posts on these two threads touching on the Trinity and what I'm hearing is desire to justify your stand.

You declare that the Holy Spirit is not a Person, I warn you of blasphemy; immediately you start trying to show that you're not blaspheming against Him. I silently note that you are still very conscious of His Personality and declare as much in your protestations. I warn that questioning Jesus's Deity introduces a question to one's salvation and you begin a treatise into how a man gets saved. I ask how a mere man's death, even granted absolute moral purity, could satisfy God's Justice, you indicate ignorance of the relevance of the question which further casts doubt upon your salvation.

Now, you start a thread to insist that you stand no risk of losing your salvation regardless what your views on the Trinity are. Why do you feel the need to do so, I wonder? Is it perhaps because you are in question as to your salvation? It matters nothing what I say about it unless what I say is true.

First of all, let me assure you that moral purity aka goodness is impossible to everyone except God.

Second, I assure you that Jesus was morally pure, that is, good.

Third, Jesus had capacity to bear the moral burden of the whole world.

Fourth, given that God's Justice demands that it is the soul that sins that shall bear punishment, Jesus was in the legal position to answer for the full moral responsibility of the whole creation.

Finally, in and after taking the punishment for the world's sin, Jesus was able to fully, finally and forever destroy the cause, root and power of sin.

All the above is a brief expantiation of the Gospel. If you accept all the above as true, you accept that Jesus is God. That is the meaning of believing the Gospel without which no man may be saved.

I want you to get one thing straight: that a thing is difficult or impossible to understand does not mean that it is untrue. Or else, space science would be untrue. I also want to state emphatically that a pathological liar's declaration that the sun rose today does not mean that the sun actually did not rise. Therefore, it is not only unwise but absurd to throw out a doctrine, any doctrine, only because the Roman Catholic Church or any other organization holds it. Wisdom and the Bible demand that before any decision is taken regarding a doctrine, the doctrine must be rigorously tested against the Bible.

These are days abounding in deception. It is by means of these delusions that many shall fall away. Be careful to know that you are not one of them.

it is very simple my friend,

show us from the bible that the third person is called a God QED.

Goshen360: Bros, cool down o. E be like say you dey fight me ni? Abeg bros cool down. No be fight. So you don't believe me when I said I can show you where the Holy Spirit is called God? Okay, na you sabi o. What am asking brother frosbel is the possibility of God, who is a Spirit being able to possess another Spirit if the Holy Spirit is not distinct from God's spirit? If a Spirit cannot have spirit, then it means the Holy Spirit is distinct from God. Is this too hard for you to comprehend?

what you are asking him to reason does not make sense since you dont even know what spirit/holy spirit is.

You dont know and you want to teach others what you dont know, how can that be possible?

Show what you want to teach from the bible.

Jesus quoted the scriptures, paul quoted the scripture and we are to test all things with the scriptures.

Why are you running away from the scriptures?

What kind of spirit is in you that is running away from the scripture?

Dont you know that peoples life are at stake?

Goshen360: What exactly are you talking about? I don't understand you my brother. You said I should show you where the Holy Spirit is called God and then I told you to bring "all" tithe into the Apostle's feet. You didn't do that and now you are bragging..... Are you sure you still want the answer? Then do what I told you

i am bragging!

Today you will show me where the holy bible said that holy spirit is a person/God

Goshen360: My brother, see as you quote me plenty time just because you don't know where the Holy Spirit is called God. Na wha for you o. See am happy you said you want to learn and know. This is where am happy for you, whatever is a puzzle for you is NO puzzle for someone else in the Kingdom of God. I'm also happy your id says truthislight. You and I have engaged some time in the truth and reasoning the word of God. However, I will require your tithe and Apostolic offering to show you where the Holy Spirit is called God.....are you ready? If you are ready, take your tithe and Apostolic offerings in your hand and let's pray so our heavenly father to bless it before I receive it unto the Apostle's feet

And AFTER showing you, will it change your view and what will your view be AFTER I show you?

stop this your pranks, show us where the bible says that the holy spirit is a God simple.

Or, are you now the holy spirit that want to teach me?

When you said/made those statement did you not know you were LYING that such kind word is not found in the bible?

If you cant show me the portion that said that the holy spirit is God that means you are a liar and liars will not inherit God's kingdom the bible says

Goshen360: ^^^

Another point to consider is that.....Why does Jesus himself make this clear distinction should they NOT be different from each other? See my brother, I was once into this kind of confusion until I stayed still with the Holy Spirit and I was taught. Abeg, no do gra-gra with the Holy Spirit . Jesus could have said, In the name of the father and the Son only......should the Holy Spirit not be a distinct being.

Until you answer the question of the possibility of God (Spirit) being able to have Spirit/spirit, then you will still not see the Holy Spirit as a distinct being which Jesus also referred to.

Now answer the kweshion, CAN A SPIRIT HAVE/POSSESS A SPIRIT?

you dont even know that there is a differed between the holy spirit and spirit persons.

The power of spirit person is call "spirit", all unseen.

So, spirit person has their power called spirit, given to them by God since they dont have hand and leg like you and me but use their spirit to do things = their power.

Goshen360: I tell you the truth, you are not far from the kingdom of God. Trinity is not difficult at all. Very simple when you comprehend it. It is not explicitly mentioned as a word in the bible. It's just a terminology given by men just to understand the concept. That all. It's not a false teaching!

so you are now the one to determined who enters the kingdom of God and who is not even though you have not been quoting the bible?

What the vertican calls a mystery you are here saying it is "not difficult to understand"

that shows how much lies you are capable of saying.

You now understand it more than those that came up with it.

Goshen360: My dear brother, all you have to do is cool down.....relax and come, let us reason together saith the Lord. I understand churches have confused many with how they teach trinity but it will be made plain by the reasoning the scripture and being open minded. Context is everything about scripture breakdown.

but you have not been quoting scriptures!

TheShopKeeper: Very interesting topic and good contributions from everyone:

Can anyone please explain this verses of Matthew 28:18-20, where Jesus talked about the great commission:
18. And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
20. Teaching them to observe all things that i have commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age, Amen.

Jesus mentioned, the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Why is it difficult for some christians to believe in the Trinity, although it wasn't specified anywhere in the bible.
Bible scholars please help.
Thanks.

it means that the strength that christians will use to do this work is the power of God = holy spirit.

Not that you will expect a literal person to help you in doing this work.

So, this straith is what you need/depend on though you will not see it.

God's power. Not by our own strength.

Goshen360: @ Frosbel,

Do you want me to use the same scriptures you have being using to prove to you that the Holy Spirit is distinct from God the father? So you can understand? It took me many months with studying God's word with the help of the Holy Spirit to stay on this subject. I can show it to you with illusration that a Spirit cannot have spirit, if so, then the Holy Spirit is distinct and cannot be taken as the S/spirit of God should God have a bodily form.

NO you did not study the bible with holy spirit but with a ghost.

Dont use illustration to teach others the bible, quote the bible, the bible does not need your help, it can defend itself.

If you use illustration to teach them the bible and end up being wrong will you Give them eternal life?

If it is God that will give eternal life why not let God's word speak for itself so that God will be happy with the person for following his word?

Dont you know that teaching out of the bible is lawlessness?

Goshen360: Oga mi, confused you ke! You be my boss for bible oo. How I go confuse my boss

I am trying to "reason" scripture with you.....I am trying to make you see that fact that, Spirit CANNOT have another spirit/Spirit (be it uppercase or lowercase -S). If Spirit cannot have spirit, it will therefore mean Holy Spirit is distinct from God who Jesus himself calls "Spirit". If Spirit cannot have spirit, the simple logic/reasoning here is that Holy Spirit is NOT God's spirit as in when God have a BODILY FORM but when you take God to have a BODILY form, then you will make the words of christ lies as per John 4:24 and then conclude that the Holy Spirit is not distinct from God but it's God's spirit.

Do you understand

you are trying to deceive him with your ideas that are not bible base.

Dont you know how to quote the bible again?

Cant you find where the bible said that the spirit is a person?

Do you wish to feed lies to others?

If it is not found in the bible it is a LIE.

And you are carrying it. (lies)

Goshen360: @ Frosbel,

"The simple truth is that God is a real person, in bodily form; and the Holy Spirit is truly the Spirit of God, a divine influence proceeding from the Father and also from the Son, as their power, energy, etc...The Bible never in any case calls the Holy Spirit a person, though it frequently does both the Father and Son" culled from your article up there.

Nobody is saying you should not have your own view about a church doctrine and traditions BUT when you are reasoning with other brethren, then you have to reason with their own view and balance with your view. In the case when it seems others are right, all you have to do is drop your view....maybe your view wasn't balanced in the first place.

Now, on the above highlight/embolden is where the problem is coming from. To me, it's like you took this man's article and just swallowed it raw....probably because you want to refute church tradition and some heresy. Now, my question still goes: If God is a Spirit.......How then can God have BODILY FORM, does a spirit have bodily form? and How can a Spirit have a spirit/Spirit? This is the question you need to answer. But when you AGREE that God has a BODILY FORM like ours and that God is a person, then you can use "logic" to say/conclude that God has a spirit/Spirit, which is NOT distinct from God and it will mean that God can be seen......But the scriptures declares, no man has seen God (John 1:18; 1 John 4:12)

did you say that Frosbel should reason with your own view?

That is the most absurd thing that i have hard in recent times.

Are you not suppose to present your view and he will present his all MUST be base on the scriptures?

You have fail to quote one scripture that said that the holy spirit is a person but you want him to carry your view as his and start reasoning with it.

Why not keep your views while he keep his and we allow the bible to speak?

Goshen360: @ Frosbel,

Well....I thought when you open a thread, you are or want to be open to other believer's view but it appears you already have a pre-conceived and concluded thoughts. One thing I have come to understand is that, being an apologetics does not argue God's word. It only presents the evidence and allows scripture to scripture "reasoning" especially among fellow believers.

Again and the last time.....I don't have strength for argument my brother. I ask you question again:

God is Spirit (John 4:24)......that is a Spirit being

How can a Spirit (God) have a spirit IF the Spirit of God is NOT different from God (who is a Spirit)?

When you answer the above question, then you will understand Genesis 1:2.....I have spent more than half of my entire bible study life studying Genesis and also started a commentary on it. By the Grace of God, I can split the book Genesis into smallest particles for understanding using scriptures to explain scriptures.

my friend stop lying,

you dont have strength but you want him/us to believe what you dont have strength to defend.

Why not ask that your person ghost spirit to give you strengt/open your eye to see scriptures that will convince us that "he spirit" is a person?

okeyxyz: Simply put: The Holy-Spirit is a law/principle by which the father operates, by which Jesus also operated and by which "christian" are made. So, it is distinct as an artifact(not as a person) of god.

thank you

okeyxyz: @Frosbel, If the Father sent his spirit after jesus, then his spirit came while he himself remained, therefore father & Spirit are distinct, correct? Just as he sent jesus but he himself remained? Unless you are saying the father himself came after jesus?

no, according to the trinity it was the father that entered Jesus after his baptism.

So also the father entered the disciples 120 of them and not his power i supposed?

So, the fire on their head was God since it was not his power?

See you trying to confuse someone when you are also confused..

Goshen360: ^^^
If you are interpreting or translating the "Holy Spirit" as or to mean "God's spirit" (like a man having a spirit) how can a Spirit then have a spirit (for God is a Spirit)....if they are NOT distinct from one another?

error,
we have spirit person and holy spirit.

Spirit person power is called "spirit"

holy spirit is power of almighty God, since he is holy, holy, holy.

okeyxyz: @Goshen360 has the best logic and fit in this matter.
@frosbel seems to be making deliberate efforts to ignore the stark obviousness of the trinity as referenced in the bible and of which @Goshen360 arguments best conforms with.
Why can't we acknowledge the trinity clearly cited in scriptures, even though you don't fully understand it? It's ok to say you don't fully understand than to turn a blind eye/conscience to the references all over the new-testament.

Clearly the new-testament talks about three distinct entities(Let's not call them persons now. I guess that's the contention), God the Father, who we all agree is not Jesus, then jesus himself who is "the son", then there is the Holy Spirit which(whom??) jesus categorically says would come after himself and by whose power and guidiance the apostles claim to be led and perform miracles. So we have The Father, Jesus and Holy-Spirit, each unique and different from the other. Why does @Frosbel & co try so hard to abolish the Holy-Spirit and cling only to Father & Son?

i think i know you,
you will defend any thing.

You, show were the holy spirit is called "God"

Goshen360: My understanding is that, there is ONE GOD who is the father of all but the son is also called God and the Holy Spirit is also called God. The context tells the distinction. ~ You want scriptures ~

^^^

that last statment is a lie.

There is no where in the bible that the holy spirit is called a God.

Goshen360: @ Frosbel,

I think you are the one making so much issue out of this Trinity stuff. I/Trinity doesn't mean we should worship 3 Gods, it simply calls Three distinct being "God" and recognizes the father as the father of all. Jesus said, you believe in God, believe also in me. When you said Peter believed in ONE God, not 3. That is correct but Peter also believed in Jesus Christ. This is not to mean Jesus is NOT God that is distinct from the Father. What's wrong in your son having your lastname e.g say Frosbel and you also bearing Frosbel as your lastname and the same lastname your father bears. God is not a name that belongs to one being: The father is called God in the bible, the son is called God and so is the Holy Spirit called God, then what is the problem with that?

i really want to learn from you were in the bible that the holy spirit is called "God".

Will you ever say what the bible does not teach?

Goshen360: It doesn't have to make sense my sister. With God, there is he that scatters BUT increase. When I saw this scriptures, it doesn't make sense to me. And there is he that withholds but tends to poverty. Lord! how does this make any sense? If I scatter, I increase, meaning if I minus (that is with God or in God's kind of maths or equation), I increase but if I add or withhold, I decrease.....it doesn't make any sense to me. Let us stop using "human sense" to explain things of the Spirit.

Yes, 1 + 1 + 1 we know is three but it is one in/as UNITY (as the case in/with the Godhead). This is where the case of unity came from, different in entity but one as/in Unity, just like a husband and a wife are two separate beings but one as unity.

Just my advice.

i can still recall reading a post where you express your desire of being a "pastor" one day, if that is true then i think i know where your problem is coming from.

Meanwhile, just show us where the bible called the holy spirit "God"

thank you.

Goshen360: You don't have to believe in the TRINITY to be a Christian but there is nothing wrong with the teaching "Trinity". It's just the way it is being explained and/or taught. The word trinity does NOT occur in the bible. It is a terminology given to three beings that is called God, distinct from one another but still function as ONE in unity. Just like I was discussing in a thread and a friend of mine called heaven, the abode place of God "heaven 1.0". You see, that word is not in the bible but he only use it to "explain" his point for the purpose of understanding. The same way, trinity is NOT in the bible but a terminology adopted (I guess) to explain the inseparable unity of the Godhead because,

The father is called God plus other personal names.

Jesus is called God plus other personal names

The Holy Spirit is called God plus other personal names

can you show us the part of the bible that called the holy spirit God?

Please show us so that the word "liar" will not stick with you.

plappville: The way you are talking is as if "PAUL" Ordained himself as an Apostle, We know that the Prophet Mohammed which you claim to be true was not in anyway certified by any inspired man. God knows how he does things, If He had called Mohammed, He will not leave him to try to convince people, He will Use someone else to prove Mohammed's call as a true call. The Apostle Pauls case was certified by Christ Himself.

Paul did not volunteer, or choose to take the office he held. I want you to know that each Apostle were personally selected by Christ.
If one claimed to be an apostle, when he Christ/Gods calling, he would be a false apostle (see 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; Revelation 2:2.

Apostles were specially chosen and called personally by God to be Apostles. (See Luke 6:12-16 - Jesus personally chose 12 men and named them to be apostles.
(See Acts 1:24, When one was chosen to take Judas' place and be numbered among the 12, the Lord pointed out which man He had chosen to fill the office.
[John 15:27; Acts 10:40,41.] Specifically, Paul was personally chosen and called by "Jesus" to be an apostle.You will not deny this as well.

(See Acts 9:15: "Jesus" by himself appeared to Paul (verse 1-9), then told [b]"Ananias"[/b]to teach and baptize him because Paul was "a chosen vessel" to preach Jesus' name to Gentiles, Us today LOLSS.

(See Acts 26:16, "Jesus" said that He had appeared to Paul to make him a minister and witness of what he had seen. [Acts 22:14,15]
Romans 1:1; Galatians 1:1 - So, Paul himself, repeatedly affirmed in his letters that he had been "called to be an apostle," not by men, but by Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:1; 2 Corinthians 1:1

Paul's claim to be inspired and a faithful teacher was also confirmed by many other inspired men.
(See Acts 9:15 (26:16; 22:14,15), Luke records that Jesus Himself endorsed Paul as a chosen vessel to preach His name.

(2 Peter 3:15,16) Peter classed Paul's writings along with other Scripture. This endorses Paul's writings as truth.

If you claim to recognise Jesus as true, then you should also recognise his chosen ones/apostles as true.

@OP, sorry for diverting ur thread, this my Muslim broda like to argue alot hehehee!

^^^
that is a good way to do it.

Apostle paul by peter himself = 2peter 3:15,16.

Peace

Joagbaje: Ministry is of the holygjost ,it doesn't have to be in black and white but the principles are there in the bible

^^^^

lies!

The spirit is to be tested by the scripture whether it is of God or of the Devil.