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mkmyers45: Who put the scripture together? Is the book of Enoch scripture?

put together?

^^^ this words can mean many things to different people.

Maximus85: When I started this thread, I never envisaged it would go this far. I never planned for people having hatred for Jehovah's Witnessea and some half-baked Jehovah's Witnesses. What are we preaching today? We are admonished to focus on preaching God's Kingdom and how to be a Citizen of that Government. What is happening here is not what the Faithful Slaves asked us to use our ministry time doing. We still have millions whom are yet to hear the truth not to talk of arguing about some negative issues AGAINST Jehovah and we his witnesses. We are admonished to follow the laid plans of the Preaching work - which is proclaiming God's Kingdom and his righteousness.

Do you think its easy for me just to ignore all these false accusations against the JWs? But we must all channel our strength on teaching and not arguing. Mr truthislight, if this accusations are happening in the field service, is this how you handle it? Is this how you call people names?

You accuse me of not answering questions, yet I have met with a viewer who loved the way I answered a question. And I have directed brothers from a closer congregation to her. This is the reason I started this thread and I have never regretted.

I answer questions that wouldn't lead to argument or insults. By doing this, you can preach and teach with utmost deep respect.
If we continue defending these accusations against the JWs, when will we have the time to really tell people of the main reason we are preaching?

In our Watchtower study article today, we studied how to allow Jehovah lead us to true freedom. Earthly freedom would only make us pursue the pleasures of the flesh while the freedom gained from the simple Laws of Jehovah is the path to true freedom. This is one of what we should preach and not arguing about distracting issues.

I need to conduct a Bible study now. We still have Lots to talk about. I am from Ayobo Congregation, Lagos Nigeria.

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No comment.

Rich4god: The Holy Eucharist is the center of our worship... The more the anti-catholic thread, the more i see the truth in the catholic church.

stay on the topic.

The issue is on the RCC giving us the bible

chukwudi44: If I tell you that you know nothing about xtian history you will say I am insulting you.

Prior to the fourth century CE there was no established canon.a
All sort of writings were flying about all purported to have been wrtten by the apostles.they were about 18 gospels in existence including gospel of thomas,gospel of mary,gospel of mary e.t.c

It was the Rcc that decided the books that finally went into the bible

this is the best post you have made so far.

However, the early churches knew what they had to be genuine and they held on/pass it along.

That we have lots of false prophet today like Jesus had said does that means that we cant use the bible to know what is true and what is false?

I said that the NT is made up of the exclusive writings of the 12 apostles and apostle paul is that or was that too difficult for you to understand?

The two examples you have given were those among the twelve apostle?

Were they verified by the apostles themself during their life time?

This is a straight forward issue.

The congregation that received the letters will know which is true and which is false that if a false one is added they will reject it period. Not when the congregations had been warned that false prophet will come up after the death of the apostles.

The commitee work was cut out, if they put the non apostles writings then the congregation will not accept it QED .

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mkmyers45: Hahahahaha You make me laugh...then where did you get the original scrolls that you compared and translated? What research are you talking about then? How did you indeed come about your research?

there have always been true christians all through the ages.

mkmyers45: Which research? Did you get into the vatican archives? Who gave the first cannonized scripture? How did you pre-date it? Are you a member of the Church Council that did oversee translation and cannoning?

Now, if those questions are directed at you how will you answer them?

Now i know the knowledge you have been feeding from that nourished you this much.

mkmyers45: Shut it please..if you've got hate for RC's take it elsewhere

is this how to disprove what i have stated?

That the bible is God's word and not the RCC?

What is the hate here?

mkmyers45: Shut it please..if you've got hate for RC's take it elsewhere

is this how to disprove what i have stated?

That the bible is God's word and not the RCC?

Delafruita: brother,you should know better than to just copy and paste ridiculous information on this board.its not like this is kindergaten when the kids believe everything because they dont know better.

were does your knowledge come from?

Is it not what this catholics approved and pest on the net?

chukwudi44: There were several christian sects in existence besides the catholics each with their own seperate scripures.the scriptures christian use today especially Nt was the one the catholics approved.

Why don't you make use of other gnostic gospels and other gnostic scriptures that was being used by the gnostic christians of early christianity

the letter the apostles wrote went to churches that were form by the apostles especially apostle paul.

This leters address the needs of those christians and they kept them as God's word.

THis christians were told to copy the letters and sent to the next congregation in the other cities so that they can learn from those writhing.

This letters were written to congregations and not to a central body but to different congregations and this congregations had this letters from the time of the apostles in the first century (1CE)
and they had it/kept them till the fourth century (4CE) that the catholics claim to canonise the bible.

Did the catholics withthrew all the letters that the congregations had from the apostle from the 1CE up to the 3rdCE befor the canonization took place and subsequently sent it back to them?

It is obvious That they are lying as it is clearly known that they simply put a stamp on what was already in existent to make themself relevant and politicise things.

They have nothing closely resembling the claim of providing the bible that we have today.

chukwudi44: You obviously have no idea about early christian history.please for your own good stop making a fool of yourself

dont you think i know better?

That i stated/have a different opinion you then tag me as a "FOOL"

you see your life!

If you make use of the bible you will have known what Jesus christ says concerning calling some one a "FOOL"

any way, my interest is in telling people the truth cus people lives are involved

for your own Good stick to the bible

peace

chukwudi44: This is not want the RCc taught me.please go and study christian history.go through the writings of the christian writers of the first four centuries.

Google and wikipedia are here to help you.don't be so daft.

Fyi I am almost 24/7 on nairaland and only respond when I feel like

who wrote/provided the info for such history?

When you see people whose intent is to destroy the bible as to justify there following traditions.

How can it be possible that the RCC canonies the bible as God's word and end up not using it?

And end up killing people that translate it/read it?

How many things that are written in the bible do the RCC DO?

Is the bible an authority to the RCC?

It is just that by telling people that they produce the bible they only attempt at attracting people that have come to trust the bible and subsequently tell them that the bible alone is not God's word and start/continue feeding them their tradition.

Just looking at the bible it is easy to know what it is made of.

The NT is exclusively leters/writing of the Apostles.

The OT are writings of God appointed anointed:
1. prophet
2. Judges
3. kings
4. Then livites

obadiah777: And to the guys i bantered with, no you are no heathen and you are not blinded, I am sure you all know this was just a light hearted banter between peers. so if i said anything to offend please forgive. It is all jocular light hearted ribbing between spiritual brothers

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this is the only thing you have said/done that is absolutely biblical.

obadiah777: the other Adams. Spiritually similar in that she has the words of God inscribed in her. thats why he could get tempted to disobey God. you have to remember this
ROMANS 4 VS 15 where there is no law there is no transgression.
Only those who have the laws can sin. if you dont have the laws, then you cannot sin. so Eve had the laws in her.
ROMANS 5 VS 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law SO THE ONLY REASON EVE SINNED IS BECAUSE SHE HAD THE LAW IN HER HEART. SHE AND ADAM THE MAN. THE REST OF THE ADAMITES FORMED DID NOT HAVE THE LAWS. THEY ARE TO BE SPIRITUALLY CIVILIZED BY ADAM AND EVE. THIS IS WHY ADAM WANTED A SUITABLE WOMAN LIKE HIMSELF ON THE SAME LEVEL WHO HAD THE LAWS INSCRIBED IN HER. SOMEONE SUITABLE FOR HIM. ON THE SAME LEVEL.

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stories

thehomer: If the tree/fruit is symbolic, what makes you think other parts of the Bible aren't symbolic? Also notice that you've not actually addressed the main problem which is: why didn't God create this garden without the fruit?

(1) you should rather show a better way that God should have shown Adam to recognise him as the source of authority without contradiction by his adversary that has already started doing that in heaven.

(2) that the tree is a symbol of God authority can you tell us why you think it did not exist in the garden?

(3) there was some one that told other inteligent creatures to do things that are in opposition/contrary/opposite to what God layed down instructions are for the best result as the creator.
Adam keeping to that simple instruction of not eating from the tree means that he recognise only God as a source of guidance that cant fail.

The tree helps Adam to know that although he was a free moral agent there are bounderies he should not cross although he can cross it if he wishes.

This will prevent Adam from being manipulated as long as he sticks/looks on to God via obeying him as the universal soverign.
(by not eating from the tree)

without the tree satan can easily manipulate him Adam since there was no instruction to the contrary, should God shear his authority with satan?
Satan had swede angels in heaven and God was simply setting bounderie which were withing his right as the creator.
(as useful as your car is try driving it without breaks)
= controls

the bible say that God almighty cannot shear his author with anyone.

I dont know why a literal tree cannot represent a symbol!

Can you tell me what was wrong with Jesus turning stone into bread?

Do you really know the implication of "knowing good and bad"?

That is if you know that what God will ever tell Adam can only fall into those two category.

(4) the bible is self explanatry.

The outcome of an ACTION and the way God sees it is a guird as to how to understand the incident.

Also, the bible absolutely explain itself that it does not need external input.

Any understanding that is gotten from the bible but that contradicts other parts of the bible is null and void

the thread of the bible lets you know what kind of statement that statement is, we are not on a liberty to chose for ourserves what to take as symbolism or not in the bible.

Adam ate a literal fruit, that God said he should not eat and that led to God sentencing him for disobedience.

Explain one(1) above. ^^

Note.; the bible explain itself,
an Incident in GENESIS may have the sense of understanding in Revelation.
So also are other parts of the bible.
and this is done for a reason.

Peace
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Maximus85: I started this thread just to share my knowledge about the Bible. Some of us JWs find it hard to stand opposition. Let me quote the Bible here. 1 Peter 2:12 "Maintain your conduct fine among the nations, that in the things in which they are speaking against you as evil doers, they may as a result of your fine works of which they are eyewitnesses glorify God in the day for his inspection" 1 Peter 3:15 said "But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect" so truthislight was of defending his faith is totally not acceptable. Its is not how we the JWs are trainned to preach.

that is true and that is the only thing you have done right for JW here .

i wander who will open a thread about his religion and not stand to defend it but just stand by and allow false accusation pass by.
Lot of leading comment you have made on this thread that shows that your claim for being a JW is possibly a fraud.

You accepted trompt up post and create avenue for criticism without even making any attempt to defend your faith.

1pet 3:15 says " but pacify the CHRIST as lord in your heart always ready to make a defense befor everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you.

That is what is expected of you as a JW.

Yes, doing that with deep respect is advisable.

But it says always BE READY TO MAKE A defence FOR EVERYONE THAT DEMENDS OF YOU A REASON FOR YOUR FAITH.

That is what me that have not claim to being a JW in this forum have tried doing.

Meanwhile you, with your claim for being a JW will leave/lead detractors to accuse JW without making any defense and you claim that you just left it so.

1. You Led oladegbu to bring out video purported to say that JW had sex scandals.

2: you accepted that JW said that armagedon had started and will end in 1914

3. you cant address most of the question directed on this thread eg 607BCE.

4. You give leading utterances for you co fort to strike JW.

When Barrister was attacked and he tried to express himself you came complaining that he was using abusive speaches.

On this forum most if not all the thread on JW are open by detractors and if i may ask what makes you different?

Your answers to comment on this thread is lacking on what the JW calls the "pure language"

what proof do you have to show that you are a JW other than the fact that you opened a thread for disfellowshiped JW to vent their anger?

You must be very angry that your intended purposed for this thread is not archiving it set objectives that is why you are venting your frustration on me?

What else did you planed than to lead people along and your cohort will spread their falsehood.

Am aware that opening a thread like this is not allowed amongst the JW but that any sincere truth seeker should visit their website www.watchtower.org

it most likely will have been a matter of time befor you come forward and play out a confession of not wanting to be a JW again because of what you will then call as their "LIES" and this thread that your follow detractors have posted lies will then be your evidence


It is possible i am lying against You then i will expect you to hang around and answer questions on this thread as long as this thread will last otherwise of what use will this thread have served?

My friend, it is very simple to know what JW teaching are cus their publication is widely distributed so that you pened down some shallow things here you think it passes you for a JW, NO, it does not.

And this is not what JW are into. they can give comment on a forum and clear issues regarding JW but they are not like you and their organization does not encourage this, are you then a rebliouse jw?

I can reply to a deceitful comment follows:

1. Lies
2. CRAP
3. Hypocrite
4. Low
5. Deceit
6. And point out that lying against the JW amount to doing the devils/satan's work.

But this is not my style of posting ACCEPT on extreme cases where it was obvious. That the person was doing such and i will definitely tell the person so.

You have never take offence that JW detractors are lying against Your beloved JW that you opened this thread to defend. But you let the lies stick, but for Barrister a none JW doing the hard work that you that opened this thread dont/cant do.

Thanks for your effort and sorry that am now your problem, but am more so sorry that i will still be around on this thread and any other that i see of the JW and do the work you cant do, defending the JW.

I have not claim to be a JW on this forum

Barrister has not claim to be a JW on this forum but he is defending the JW more than you that claim to be, that alone should make you to be ashame of yourself.

That Barrister at this level of not yet being a JW can be so effective it tells you of who the real JW that can defend the JW are but certainly not you or your kind/your type.

Those that sent you to opened this thread will soon come to look for what to use in doing their thirty work as to get me discourage, am not disturbed one bit cus what they are doing with JW are bigger than me, but it will not stop me from pointing out lies that they are carrying.

I supposed that they have prepare you on what to say in reply.

Note, Maximus, true JW are Always ready to defend their faith and i have not seen you doing that. Pls start defending...

DP

Maximus85: I started this thread just to share my knowledge about the Bible. Some of us JWs find it hard to stand opposition. Let me quote the Bible here. 1 Peter 2:12 "Maintain your conduct fine among the nations, that in the things in which they are speaking against you as evil doers, they may as a result of your fine works of which they are eyewitnesses glorify God in the day for his inspection" 1 Peter 3:15 said "But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect" so truthislight was of defending his faith is totally not acceptable. Its is not how we the JWs are trainned to preach.

that is true and that is the only thing you have done write in this forum,

i wander who will open a thread about his religion and not stand to defend it but just stand by and allow false accusation pass like you said you did and i can show sens of leading comment you have made on this thread that shows that you claim for being a JW is possibly a fraud.

You accepted trompt up post and creat avenue for criticism without even making a defence for your faith.

1pet 3:15 says " but pacify the CHRIST as lord in your hearth always ready to make a defense befor everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with mild temper and deep respect.

Yes doing that with deep respect.

But it says always BE READY TO MAKE A defence FOR EVERYONE THAT DEMENDS OF YOU A REASON FOR YOUR FAITH.

That is what i that have not claim to being a JW have tried doing in this forum why you with all your JW passion will leave/lead detractors to accuse JW without a defense and you claim that you just left it so.

1. You Led oladegbu to bring out video purported to say that JW had sex scandals.

2: you accepted that JW said that armagedon had started and will end in 1914

3. you cant address most of the question directed on this thread eg 607BCE.

4. You give leading utterances to you co fort on this thread.

When Barrister was attacked and he till to express himself you came complaining that he was using abusive speaches.

On this forum most if not all the thread on JW are open by detractors and if i may ask what makes you different?

Your answers to comment on this thread is lacking on what the JW calls the "pure language"

what proof do you have to show that you are a JW other than the fact that you opened a thread for disfellowshiped JW to vent their anger?

You must be very angry that your intended purposed for this thread is not archiving it set objectives that is why you are venting your frustration on me?

What else did you planed than to lead people along and your cohort will spread their falsehood.

Am aware that opening a thread like this is not allowed amongst the JW but that any sincere truth seeker should visit their website www.watchtower.org

it most likely will have been a matter of time befor you come forward and play out a confession of not wanting to be a JW again because of what you will then call their "LIES" and this thread that your follow detractors have posted will be your evidence

chukwudi44: The fact remains that the catholic church decided the scriptures that made it to the bible.so many other writings were in circulation and even used by the christians of the first century.

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lies

the early christians had scriptures that were recognise as God's word and any attempt to impose none apostles writing. were rejected by the early christians.

They refuse to accept additions.

chukwudi44: There was nothing like bible before the fourth century so the idea of any biblical translation before then is ridiculous.

The was no establised canon until the council of jamnia AD 100 for the jews and synod of hippo 392 AD for the christians.The first translation of the hebrew scripture was the septuagint carried out in 272 AD but it was not a defined canon and included books which were not eventually canonised.

The jerome's latin vulgate is the first biblical translation which involved all the canonised books.

Mind you scriptures and bible are not the same thing and cannot be used interchangeably.The bible is only used to refer to canonised scriptures

how old are you?

Do you want to pass on to us what the RCC has dished out to you that has destroyed your faith in the bible and help corrupt christianity up to the point it is?

You should better wise up and allow people to use their head and stop influencing peoples life negatively.

They will not use your eyes to die!

chukwudi44: Frosbel you are a confirmed olodo.I don't have your time this night but will respond tomorrow

Are you God?

Must God word come from RCC?

Is your faith so low on God's ability that you imagine he cannot protect his word any way he wants,

you seem to always pop up whenever the name RCC appears!

Are you using double ID or something?

i thought you are suppose to be happy that what we have today is God's true word?

You risk the biggest scandal you have ever imagine!!!

mkmyers45: Dont mind frosbel the anti-RCC..the first translation by the church was used in all other translations true or false? If you say the RCC didnt give the bible then you gotta be high or something..

are you an RCC members?

You gotta be low or something

Goshen360: @ danwo, mon cher frère

You are missing the point here my brother. What you and other brothers are doing is that, you are trying to use science or scientific knowledge to interpret or approve the bible BUT what you end up doing is disapprove the bible with scientific knowledge or whatever extra-biblical knowledge you may have which I "might" not. This is contrary to the concept of biblical interpretation, (permit me to say).

Now, here is the point am making!

The confusion in Genesis 1:1-2 is similar to Chapter 1 and 2 where it records two creation account. Some confuse chapter 2 as a different creation account different from that chapter 1. Unknown to them, they can't see that they simply compliments each other.

Now, this is the point am making (without using extra-biblical source or any scientific proof), Genesis 1:1 is NOT in a "definite" state as in, it doesn't mean a finished and done deal creation of heaven and earth but it is an opening statement in which other verses tells how (process) the "heavens and earth" of Genesis 1:1 was accomplished. How did I come to this conclusion?

1. If it was a completed and already created "earth and heavens", God will NOT come back to call the firmament which was created/made from waters, HEAVEN.

2. The same way, God will NOT come back and name the dry land EARTH should it have been already created in Genesis 1:1

3. The Gap theory will NOT end up in anything other than RE-CREATION instead of what we see all over that it wasn't "RE-CREATION but "CREATED, MADE and FORMED"

4. The earth with the Gap theory will also end up saying (by assumption, not scripture interpreting scriptures) that, the earth "BECAME" formless and void BUT God Himself said in Job 38 that He creadted the darkness and the condition of the earth that way.

5. The book of Jeremiah says, it (earth) "WAS" not "BECAME" void/formeless.

6. The Gap theory will also end up saying that Genesis itself did NOT account for the ORIGINAL CRAETION should there be gap and a pre-adamic world before this creation account.

Who then are we supposed to beleive? The word of God or extra-biblical account?

Goshen,
you said you have an interest in this topic that has noting to do with obedience to God.

I wander how this can lead to everlasting life if not uncertain doctrine!

DP

ifeness: Being a christian is really fuccked up! It is like being high on magic mushrooms. I meant no disrespect,but please,i hope you are not brainwashing your kids with these fairy tales?

some times when you talk to people in this fashion for love of religion/teaching there children it makes me laugh.

I wish you do know some of the people you address in such away in a forum.

thehomer: In the garden, freewill doesn't really help. God could have made the garden without the fruit and the serpent. If he had done that, would Adam have sinned?

there was no mention of fruit in heaven where satan started and got some angels to join him in his couse of disobedience.

He simply took the same action down to earth.

He knew of God's plans for the earth to be made to be filled with humans.

The tree/fruit is a symbol of God's authority.

Satan simply brought to earth what he had started in heaven.

It is not just the fruit that is the problem but the DISOBEDIENCE. GENESIS 2:17

To understand this think of what was wrong with bread in the case of Jesus and what was Jesus answer to satan.

Imagine if Jesus had obeyed satan what will have happened. Lose God's favour.

After the temptations what did satan then ask for? = an act of worship

now you can see what obedience to satan translate to.

Adam was very stupid to have obeyed satan that had never given him a single thing but the wife greedily fell for a false offer. Was that the only fruit in the garden?

chosing to obey satan instead of God,
surrendering over to satan, the bible let us know (whomever you obey is your master Romans 6:16)

rejecting God the source of life and obeying satan that cant sustain us kept us were we are.

With the Failues and suffering due to disobedience no man or angel will ever again ever challenge Yahweh again for all eternity after satan have been destroyed,
for this will serve as a warning example for all eternity after the world is cleans of all unrigtheousness.

Peace

thehomer: My point is that punishing someone for the crimes of another isn't just whether or not the person volunteered his life.



I would be seeing it that way if I also thought that Jesus was the only route to righteousness and that righteous acts couldn't be done freely but I don't think so. What I do see is Christians telling me what you said which looks to me like a well rigged game. It is what has been famously described as telling a healthy me that I'm ill and surprise surprise they have the only cure.

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error

what we are talking about is life in God's new world.

That one escape from the anger of God almighty at the end of this system of things. Revelation 19:11-18

that survival is on the basis of ones decision now while there is yet time.

thehomer: So are you saying we inherited death but not sin?

Lololol.

The wages of sin is death Romans 6:23

God did not Give us sin but a faulty choice made by our first parent did.

Human NEVER knew that they were separated from the almighty God the giver of life and sustainer of it, as such human do die.

Along this line human came to accept all sort of theories as to life, false stories that satan was leading those nations to belief in all opposite to what the truth is.

It took the almighty to explain the real situation and what had happened in eden that led to the separation of man from God that led to death.
And it is the same almighty that has profers the solution and the way forward, reconciliation to the source of life.

All he did was hands off from humans affairs since Adam had chosen satan in place of him.

All you are accusing him here is wrong, he is simply the wealthy benefactor that came to the rescue.

He is simply perfect since he being the creator is so lenient and understanding that we are dust.

The ACTIONs he had taken in the past is simply using his power to get his way when satan tries to manipulate things from the background as to prevent the coming of the masaiah and this for the benefit of human.

Dont forget that after the abandonment in Eden all nations were separated from God and worshiping satan.

thehomer: And this is proof 1 that you're simply looking for any excuse to flee.

My question is "Why did God create humans with the nature of being disobedient"? And your explanations responding to it are things like: "Because we are humans born of Adam, we sin." and "That thought that the serpent was right was the sin." These responses are simply irrelevant in explaining the reason for creating disobedient creatures. If your God makes humans who are disobedient from the get go then places them with the serpent and the fruit tree, then what other outcome can one reasonably expect?



Where does it reveal this?



Really now. So God has came down and told you that he actually cannot create a world without sapient beings yet scientifically speaking, for a long time the earth was without sapient beings. Now one of you must be wrong.



Why not?



I didn't misrepresent his words. The implication of his words was that the stones will sing his praises if people didn't. That is the conclusion that bible scholars and preachers have arrived at and if I were a Christian, that would also be the conclusion to arrive at. Obviously since it was metaphorical, the sorts of arguments to be used would be literary ones. If you like, I can present you with links demonstrating what I've said.



And I had began by pointing out to you that belonging to the wrong denomination means you're sinning against God and the infeasibility of going a week without committing what God calls a sin.



Checked and responded to.



Sure there are differences. Morality is about performing right actions while justice is about meting out appropriate punishments or granting appropriate rewards.



What does this have to do with what I said?

are you insinuating that he God should have created human as zombies?

Or as robot programme to perform specific duties?

Did the bible not say we were created in God's image with a mind to think rationally?

Free will comes at a price. Take note.

If out of ones freewill/volition someone shows love to you wont you appreciate it better then if the love was programme on the entity to show to you?

Such kind love will be an impersonal love.
Lacks emotions and all that makes us human.

Think again.

This freewill is also a function of God's love to us and shows his unselfishness.

Am not a dummy and will never want to be one.

Just this your argument is a testerment to what freewill is.

Please, show your appreciation for the gift of freewill to the giver.

Peace

thehomer: Good. That was my point. One shouldn't make children sinful because their parents were sinful.



My question then is this. Why is is accepted that humans are sinful by nature if they didn't get it from Adam?

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error error error .............error

who said that?

I said that Adam was punished for his sin = death

and through the first man death enter into the world.

And all his children inherited it.
sin then leads to death.

Where did you get that?

Lololol.

Bad guy!

All i said is that his children will not have everlasting sentence without being giving an oportunity to Decide who to follow, God or satan.

thehomer: If you make any definitions that you like, you can come to any conclusion that you like. 1 day is 1 day. 1000 years is 1000 years. If you wish to push your claims, then how old do you think the earth is?

stay on the topic,

if you have red those references i would not expect you to get it wrong.

God is not afraid of you is he?

If God says that he has fixe a day in which he will judge the earth by a man christ Jesus Acts 17:31 = "a DAY"
and the judgement "DAY" turns out to 1000yrs Revelation 20:1-4 and you still say that God is a liar in eden?

The issue i have notice is that you people use your limited knowledge/understanding of the bible to judge God.

I dont think that this is right.

Peace

thehomer: I couldn't parse your answer through the irrelevant introductions you were making. Why don't you plainly answer the question I asked?

No in this case of Adam.

Everyone one will be Given a fair trial even those that have died will come up and take the opportunity.

The father Adam will not benefit from the resurection meant for all good/ignorant mankind John 5:28,29 that ever lived and died. (note ALL)

Adam died pepetually for his sin.

but any of Adam ofspring that has not heard about christ/God arragement will be given an oportunity during the 1000yrs Judgement day, Revelation 20:12-14

so, it cant be said that God will kill All of Adam children on the basis of Adam sin but that they will be given a fair opportunity to chose a differed course/reject satan and be given eternal life.

But every of Adam's children have an oportunity to decide who to obey.

Any that stick with Adam choice and stay with satan and rejects God will die pepetually like Adam GENESIS 3:19.

That is where the love/mercy comes in.

Peace