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Emusan:
Sorry, you people couldn't resolve anything just normal way of dodging and escape.

Am discussing with you, if your interest is not on this discussion but out of your mind your heart is speaking off of this discussion, i will have no other option than to go out of this discussion with you.

I have discussed with you without hatred nor grudge, please, do the same.

Emusan:
Yes! That even this Son is also living in Heaven with Yahweh.

Was the above under contention? If not, why do you bring it up? I will hope you do not run round without purpose.

Emusan:
No aspect was considered as impossible for Yahweh since The Son actually came and gone.

Ok, So, those are all possible ways right? Yahweh can device any way out of so many ways to use to send his son down to earth.

If you have a particular one that you believe he used Fill us in, feel free to add.

Emusan:
Yahweh can do ALL THINGS as He wills

The above is consoling. Since i believe Yahweh is not limited in anyway, i am content to accept that Yahweh sent his son. If need be, Yahweh can turn any body into an Embryo. nothing limits him. I don't know all about how he does what he does, only what he has reveal to man in his word that i bother my self with. Am not into vodo.

Emusan:
All these won't save you from dodging my point.

Dodge what exactly?

Dodge the details of how Yahweh sent his son to earth?
Seriously! Do you really believe that humans have such details? If no, why ask a human to supply you with them?

Emusan:
All I'm saying is this, the Son of Yahweh is a PERSON and Yahweh said He will send His Son to Earth and your organization said Yahweh ONLY TRANSFERED this Son's life to earth.

What is the reasonableness of the above? Was it his death that would have rather been sent?

Oh! You belief that live can exist without the Body. what is life? How do you have life without a body? When the Life of the dead will be restored, do you think it will mean bringing back something that was alive somewhere and put into the mold called body?

Have you ever really considered the significance of what a person is and what makes a person unique? Nope! i don't think you have.

See, there is a direct correlation between who 'You' Emusen are and your Memory . No matter the semblance, once your memory is lost, try convincing those that know you that you are Emusen and see if they will believe that it is you. Even you, if you have all the memory of the former iPhone transfer to another iPhone of similar model, would you know the difference? All you need is the memory. Humans can do the above. When humans does the above, is the Memory "a live"? Nope.

Do you know what makes a mad man a mad man? no, you don't. Lost of Memory. With his body without the Memory, he is useless.

Lets assumed that Yahweh sent a person that did not have the memory that Jesus had while in heaven, i wonder whether the body or any other thing would have been relevant.

Emusan:
1. Where is the body that this life was removed Since you believe the spiritual beings have a body.

The above question is exposing you as lacking certain knowledge of the bible. I had advise that you make sure of your reply to this post, but you are determined to fall your hand. I will be patience with you for now, but think deeply be for coming out with such question next time.

The bible book of 1 cor 15:44 says that there is a Spiritual Body. That same chapter said there are heavenly body and there are earthly body.

Life remove from a body and sent to earth? how? Can there be existence without a body? Any Bible evidence for such a stance? Show evidence please.

Emusan:
2. Life to you is nothing but an ordinary force, this means Yahweh didn't send anything

Live is a combination of Body and Live force, If you are to understand what moving Jesus means, look at it as moving his Person/existance from heaven into the worm of Mary. this was why i was asking the series of questions above as to which of the ways you think will be impossible to Yahweh. You must know, that, for it to be Who Jesus was, his unique memory must be restored to him, key.
The memory aspect is critical and cardinal in restoring an individual back to live. Irrespective of the body, as long as he has his memory, it is the person.

Jesus without his heavenly experience is no Jesus. An Engineer without his unique memory is no Engineer.

The Particular body an entity has is of no significance, but my memory does. to illustrate:

Assuming i am to get involve in a serious accident and my body and face was badly burnt, and after the surgery, on getting to my wife that has been looking for me, which do you think will make her to know it is me ?

1. I lost my memory and cannot remember her and my kids.
2. I look different, but have all my basic memory of our secrets and details. savings, kids names, marriage proposal details. Love life. etc?

Will the fact that i look same but loose all my memory of her and my family make any difference? NO!

But, even though i look different and keep all my memory intact, she will accept me as her husband still.

Hence, memory is key for resurrection or bringing someone back to live, all Yahweh have to do is to give a body and bring to live and restore the memory to the body > Viola! it is the person.

Hence, the mind/memory determines a person. The Mind. But the mind must exist in a body, be it physical or spirit.


A chimp has similar features like a man, is it a person? Hence, body type is inconsequential, but mind does. Chimps lacks the Mind of a person, hence is not a person. QED.

Emusan:
Is Yahweh Himself not a person save us this please.

Yahweh is a person. He has a mind.

"Wherever there is a mind, there is a person.

Emusan:
Your questions are so baseless, so spare us that and tackle my points.

Is it my points that are baseless or your questions? think well be for you answer.

Peace

truthislight:
The sins of Adam have been forgiven to all sons of Adam by means of Christ Ransom sacrifice. Hence, the sin of all sons of Adam have been forgiven. All sons of Adam stands clean be for Yahweh. All sons of Adam have access to Yahweh through Jesus christ.

But the prospect of having Eternal life is open to only those that make use of this oppurtunity to make a good name with Yahweh through Jesus Christ.

Hence, the sins of all those that will be save at Armageddon were forgiven when they were alive and accepted Jesus and followed his examples. They got Baptized, they continued exercising faith in Jesus Ransom sacrifice.

Not accepting the son means DEATH.

Peace

Emusan:
You're even complicating the issue the more.

JWs always quote Rom 6:23a "For the wages of sin is death;..." which means once a person died the person had paid for his/her sins.

Please, which sins these people paid for again if Jehovah had already forgiven the sons of Adam's sin

Unless if you don't want to tell me that your organization don't use this particular verse to proof forgiveness of people's sins.

And it also means nobody living on earth before/after Jesus' death sins against Jehovah anymore...that's wonderful!!!

You may have to read my post above again.

I had written that "the sins of Adam has been forgiven the sons of Adam through Jesus ransom sacrifice".

The fact that ones sins and crime has been forgiven does not mean that the person will always not face the consequences. David was forgiven for instance, the baby still died etc.

It was not because of our/humans sins that caused Yahweh separation from man, it was that of Adam's. Hence, we can now access Yahweh directly through Jesus Christ that has paid for that.

That the sins of Adam has been forgiven does not mean that the imperfection and its consequences are no longer with imperfect humans. Humans still pays for the consequences pending when all the benefit of Jesus ransom sacrifices have been fully applied, and that will be in God's Kingdom when death and the likes have passed away. Rev 21:4.

Again, since it is only the removal of Adam sins that serves as a Barrier between man and Yahweh that has been removed, the stipulated consequences for sins is still operational, Namely: "the wages of sins is death", hence, all sons of Adam continue with that consequences pending when the arrival of the Kingdom.

I cant really say how you understood my write up above, why you understand Roman 6:7 otherwise.

If someone were to steal a Chicken, and was sentence to a year in prison for that stealing, why on earth should he still pay for the chicken on coming out from prison? Nope! he wont.

In similar fashion, since the wages of sin is death, why will someone still bear the consequences of sin after dying?

Well, that is what the Bible says, it is not my words.

That basis of dying and forgiving of ones sins is the basis of Baptism and coming out on a fresh start. Dipping in water(Grave) and coming out.

Peace

solite3:
Don't be deceived Hell is Real! Don't make this mistake you are making rebelling against your creator!

Lol. Can we discuss?

What do you really mean by "Hell is Real"?

What is Hell?

Do you have any plan to teach the bible to people or it is your intention to threaten People to summit?

Are you professing Christianity because of the fear For Hell?

Peace

Emusan:
Which work is he doing please?

Can you answer this: you believe some people will survive the Armageddon and that people pay the wages for their sins at death.
Now my question is; when did people who survive the Armageddon pay for their sins?

The sins of Adam have been forgiven to all sons of Adam by means of Christ Ransom sacrifice. Hence, the sin of all sons of Adam have been forgiven. All sons of Adam stands clean be for Yahweh. All sons of Adam have access to Yahweh through Jesus christ.

But the prospect of having Eternal life is open to only those that make use of this oppurtunity to make a good name with Yahweh through Jesus Christ.

Hence, the sins of all those that will be save at Armageddon were forgiven when they were alive and accepted Jesus and followed his examples.

Not accepting the son means DEATH.

Peace

jnrbayano:
2) How many " Everlasting fathers" do we have as recorded in the scriptures?

Isaiah 9:6

The word Eternal and everlasting is Futuristic and not necessarily concern with the past.

For instance, God said he will give humans Eternal live/Ever-lasting life, does that in any way suggest that the people that will be given this Eternal life had always existed?

If No, why are you concluding that calling Jesus Eternal/everlasting father implies that he had always existed?

Again, have you ever wondered what Adam would have been had he not sinned against Yahweh? Well, he would still have remained as our father to this day and for ever. What then would we have been calling him? Answer = He would have remain as our Eternal father.

But, as it is, Jesus bought over what Adam lost, hence, took over his place of being our father. So, Jesus became our Eternal Father.

If you look closely, you would notice that though Adam would have remained our Eternal father, that does not mean that Adam had always existed either.

So, Jesus being called Eternal/Everlasting Father, does not mean that Jesus had always existed.

Please, do not confused Eternity with eternal.

Have you ever seen were humans are being promised ETERNITY in the bible?

It is only Yahweh that is called King of Eternity

Peace.

Logicbwoy:
You answered my questions in a typical Jehovah's witness way.

Actually, it depends on what you wanted to hear. He is a man of faith, and in this instance, his faith is hinge on what he sees in the Bible and its promises and not on what he feels like saying.

The actions of people of faith has always puzzles people not having such faith. Considering the followers of Jesus Christ in the first century willing to die for their believes, to most, such was unreasonable, but then, such was expected of them from the one that will reward them.

Those that reject blood transfusion, They have hope for a future life, actually, a hope for a better life. The fact is that, they want a life that is superior and better, they wont gamble with it, an ETERNAL LIFE.
They were ready to die instead, if it calls for it, in obedience to the one that will reward them with that superior life in God's kingdom. Such, for the love of life, ETERNAL LIFE.
They love life, hence, they sort after quality medical treatment that will not cause them to disobey Yahweh.

Should they refuse to obey the life giver in an effort to save this life, at the end, they will still die naturally, but without a better prospect?

Logicbwoy:
I wouldn't bother you too much, seeing that you are truly indoctrinated. You can't even see why I say that your church members are wicked. How can you look at someone dying and refuse him blood?

Here you go again, do you wish that they go against the expressed desire and will of the subject that is sick? Again, if you were to be the giver of life, and you had given conditions for obedience for those that you will reward with eternal life, will you be willing to still reward those that disobeyed you with eternal life?

Well, Christ said it is only those that does the will of the father that will be save.
Beside, all servants of Yahweh wishes to die knowing that they were obedient and faithful to Yahweh before dying. Eternal life is an expensive preposition to lose for an uncertain prospect now, not forgetting that the life you are disobeying Yahweh for is so short and filled with problems.

It is a Biblical commandment, not that of Man, Both in NT and OT.

Logicbwoy:
Are you people the only christians that read the bible?

NO!
But Jesus never said that all saying lord lord will be saved. He said that 'only those doing the will of the father' are the ones that will be saved. Matthew 7:21.

Nor did he say all that reads the bible will be saved.

Look round the world around you, do you think that all carrying the bible are doing what the bible says? They maybe different from the rest.

Peace

Logicbwoy:
You answered my questions in a typical Jehovah's witness way.

Actually, it depends on what you wanted to hear. He is a man of faith, and in this instance, his faith is hinge on what he sees in the Bible and its promises and not on what he feels like saying.

The actions of people of faith has always puzzles people not having such faith. Considering the followers of Jesus Christ in the first century willing to die for their believes, to most, such was unreasonable, but then, such was expected of them from the one that will reward them.

They had hope for a future life, actually, hope for a better life. The fact that they wanted a life that was superior and better, an ETERNAL LIFE, they were ready to die instead, if it calls for it, in obedience to the one that will reward them with that superior life in God's kingdom. Such, for the love of life, ETERNAL LIFE.

Should they refuse to obey the life giver in an effort to save this life, at the end, they will still die naturally, but without a better prospect.


I wouldn't bother you too much, seeing that you are truly indoctrinated. You can't even see why I say that your church members are wicked. How can you look at someone dying and refuse him blood?[/quote]Here you go again, do you wish that they go against the expressed desire and will of the subject that is sick? Again, if you were to be the giver of life, and you had given conditions for obedience for those that you will reward with eternal life, will you be willing to still reward those that disobeyed you with eternal life?

Well, Christ said it is only those that does the will of the father that will be save.
Beside, all servants of Yahweh wishes to die knowing that they were obedient and faithful to Yahweh before dying. Eternal life is an expensive preposition to lose for an uncertain prospect, not forgetting that the life you are disobeying Yahweh for is so short and fill with problems.

It is a Biblical commandment, not that of Man, Bot in NT and OT.


Are you people the only christians that read the bible?[/quote]NO!
But Jesus never said that all saying lord lord will be saved. He said that 'only those doing the will of the father' are the ones that will be saved. Matthew 7:21.

Look round the world around you, do you think that all carrying the bible are doing what the bible says? They maybe different from the rest.

Peace

Emusan:
So your organization reads into the scripture what is not there



But your organization knows the step by step how earth will become paradise.



Since you know this why are you perambulating all this while

So tell us the work that will be done.



But Jesus' LIFE FORCE was removed from a BODY, isn't it?



Life may not be tangible to you since you can create it.



Just look at the @bold and tell me how this was done if Jehovah didn't transfer anything.

You repeat it here that Jah transferred the LIFE OF HIS SON; so was the Son still in heaven after Jah used the life of His Son to fertilized the Ovum inside Mary?

Does the Son suddenly vanish out of existence after His life was used to fertile Ovum?

Was the LIFE also another PERSONALITY of the Son because I can only see that you make reference to the LIFE alone here?

If His Life wasn't another PERSONALITY, does that not make God a liar when He actually sent NOTHING and He claimed He sent His Son?



Again look at the @bold, once more; does this life force another PERSONALITY of the Son?
After the LIFE FORCE caused the conception what happened to WHOLE NATURE of the Son or does the Son only exist as LIFE FORCE?



Then what happened to the rest of Jesus Nature i.e BODY or this LIFE FORCE is the whole nature of the Son and does not reside inside any body?



Just Imaging a life will be taking from a body yet something has not been taking from that person I'll bookmark this for future reference

Let even say the life was taken and yet nothing was taken from Him, now was the divine Jesus still in heaven when the man Jesus was on earth? Because it means the Son will be intact as NOTHING has change in His nature.

About the death of Jesus as you said, that's RECREATION not RESURRECTION



OHHHH is it not the same spirit body that those who came out of resurrection will take on? This spirit body will know it's not corruptible neither destroyed.

So what happened to Jesus' body that the LIFE FORCE was removed? Because the BODY without the LIFE FORCE is dead....do you agree?





LOLzzzz it's your organization you should shake your head for not me.

ONLY myopic mind like you won't understand what that picture depicted.



Every Bible believing Christians know that Jesus entrusted His Spirit that about to leave His body to the Father, which proves that the LIFE FORCE or SPIRIT resides inside a body. Just as Jesus gave His spirit/LIFE FORCE on the cross to His Father and His BODY REMAINS there, likewise when Jah removed His LIFE FORCE before He came to earth His BODY must also remain somewhere. [size=14pt]Why will Jah kill His own DEAR SON for removing His LIFE FORCE?[/size]

In fact it's not a problem to those who believe that there is a SPIRIT inside every one that lives on after it departed from the body RATHER it should be a great problem to JWs who doesn't believe that our spirit lives on after departed from the body.

So if I may ask, what did Jesus give to His Father 1. Ordinary life like Air 2. A conscious Life?



Leave Animal out of this,

So the LIFE FORCE inside the ovum was it CONSCIOUS of Itself or just ordinary life like air?
NOTE: if it conscious of itself, that means what is inside Mary is DUALISTIC in NATURE one divine one man....but I know you won't agree with this likewise if it is not conscious it means NOTHING from the Son was inside Mary just ordinary air and both can't be true!

I do not know how this is resolved, since it is on page one of this thread. However, i notice that a lot of postulation has been made.

The bible does say that the son of Yahweh will be sent to the earth and Jesus is consistently called the son of Yahweh. It thereby means that the person that came has to be the person that was in Heaven.

My wonderment in this argument is this, what is the aspect that is inherent in this process that is considered impossible for Yahweh to do?

1. Is it impossible for Yahweh to make someone Younger or small?
2. is it the impossibility for Yahweh to give someone another body?
3. Is it the impossibility for Yahweh to transfer a person to a worm to start the process all over again?
4. Is it the Impossibility to turn Jesus into a human?
5. Is it the impossibility for Jesus to be turn wholly into an embryo in the worm of a Virgin?
6. Is it that Yahweh cannot make Jesus to be that small in a worm and come out with a physical body?
7. what really determines what qualifies as a Person?

Please, whoever wants to answer any of the above questions should think properly and based his answers from the Bible be for attempting to give an answer to those questions.

Thank you.

Peace.

bunbit23:
Maybe you should go through the post once more, I never include bible tenses to back up my message. It's from spiritual perspective, the address was meant for spiritual practitioners not in view to what bible said or did not said. if I was referring to bible, I could have used verses.

Ok, noted.

Hmmmmmm!

Thanks though. @Plappville.

The whole book is a testimony as to what its sources are. By its fruits ye shall know them. A good tree does not produce bad fruit.

What does the Koran really mean when it says that Allah is the "best of deceivers"?

bunbit23:
Eventhough is from bible, are you against bible? only this I have to ask, I do not see point on other factors.

Am of the view that those postulate are not what the Bible say. The Bible is against drunkenness yes. but not what you have stretch to.

You have still not given the further details on that man that is carrying that book like you had said you would.

The question still remains, what ISIS are doing, is it contained in the Koran?

Once that question is answered, we will then know who is doing the right thing according to the Koran and who then is the True follower of Islam.

That should be simple were honest people are concerned.

Then we would have established what the culprit for all this killings and Terror is.

Peace.

frank317:
Ebuka is the father of lies on Nairaland... Never take his words seriously

Am here waiting for them to come and validate their accusations.

bunbit23:
The following are some key points about alcohol from a spiritual perspective:
Ability To Attract Black Energy: Alcohol is a ACTION AND IGNORANCE predominant drink ( remember I used this analysis yesterday when I discussed colours) . As a result, drinking the alcohol reduces the PURITY predominant in us and at the same time, alcohol increases the subtle ACTION component. A subtle covering of black negative energy forms over the mind and intellect of the person drinking alcohol, making him an easier target for attacks by negative energies.
Increases Spiritual Vulnerability: While drinking alcohol, we are more likely to lose control over our mind and intellect. Negative energies take advantage of this loss of control and infiltrate our consciousness. Even if a single social drink such as beer is consumed, it is enough to reduce the
PURITY in the person drinking and increase the subtle ACTION component whereby one becomes more prone to being attacked by negative energies.
Possession Becomes More Likely : When a person has a liking for alcohol, their very liking is taken advantage of by a ghost or a departed ancestor with a propensity for alcohol, to possess him. Once a ghost possesses a person, it further increases that person’s liking for alcohol. This in turn helps the ghost to maintain control over the person and indulge in the enjoyment of drinking alcohol through him.
Impact Of An Alcoholic On His Family: When negative energies possess a person, they are easily able to fulfill their desires by acting through him. Many terrible acts are done against family members, friends and society by people when they are drunk. Violent behavior displayed by an alcoholic (addicted to and under the influence of alcohol) is mainly due to the possessing entity taking advantage of and increasing an existing personality defect of violence in the alcoholic. When people drink alcohol on a regular basis, they increase the chances of their being possessed.
Spiritual Quality Of Wine: From a spiritual perspective, wine also falls into the same category as any other alcoholic drink, as it is only marginally less PURITY than liquor such as whisky or vodka.

Where and how did you come about all this superstitions about alcohol? I hope it is not from the Bible?

Please, don't feed people unverifiable Theories from your head.

If your head cannot carry alcohol, don't imagined it is the same with all humans. for instance, that someone has abused alcohol and fell inside gutter, that is not the story of every one else.

Any substance that is abused is dangerous, have you not heard that someone drown inside water before? does that automatically render water non use-able?

I hope this is not said to be from the Bible?

truthislight:
Too much brain drain in Nigeria.

When Majority of Nigerian youths don't think constructively because they believe in magic, then you will know the Danger of falsehood and deceits in religion.

Believing a lie is dangerous.

This post and this thread is stinging certain people affected seriously, well, i always tell it the way it is.

Truth be told, am waiting for a human from the wife of Adam that will come and prove me wrong.

Peace

honourhim:
He actually spreads falsehood. He is not an atheists. He specializes in twisting the scriptures to suit his false doctrines

Is the above really true?

Ok, you have an opportunity to show that you are not the son of the liar now and on this thread.

So, Using the Bible, state clearly the scriptures i have ever twisted to suit my false hood like you have just accused me above. failure to do that, the shame and torment is on you.

Peace.

KingEbukaNaija:
1. Are you an atheist?

2 Your username is "truthislight", what truth is being purported as light ?

I can appreciate why you cannot understand what i just said.

let me help. Do you know what happens to a student that beliefs he will always get help/expo in the exam hall to pass his/her exams? Are such students the most studious and hard working student in the class as to attain genuine improvement?

If you know the answer to the above scenario, then you will understand what i was talking about. Why it is wrong and dangerous to be promising all our able bodied men and women that every thing will come their ways via miracle.

Too much brain drain in Nigeria.

When Majority of Nigerian youths don't think constructively because they believe in magic, then you will know the Danger of falsehood and deceits in religion.

Believing a lie is dangerous.

Yooguyz:
Na wah oh! After I have retired from pointing out watchtower flaws, my mentions still full everywhere. This attacks using my name is getting out of hand oh! Is this BERNIMORE/truthislight mentally stable?

Hello! You-'guys' or yooguyz or "paulgrundy or whatever. I Noticed you Mention my name and insulted me.

Why did you do such?

I don't like such.

You also said am "mentally unstable", Why did you do that?

I am not Bernimore, you called me Bernimore, why?

Now, i don't exactly know what is wrong with you, but am very sure i don't have time to waste with you, not when you belief you can hand twist God to accept you as a Gay pastor. take your biff and grind it some where else and don't mention me next time, understood? Ok.

Thank you.

ruffyola:
Why are people this judgemental? how could u just conclude that this attack was carried out by Muslims. From the report i see even the French never called the attack was done by Muslims.
Y don't they even arrest the driver if he is alive and interrogate him and find out more instead of we in Nigeria here shouting on the internet even when we don't know what really transpired.

Well, the verdict is out. His laptop shows that he was visiting Isis sites online.
Hence, it was an Islam influence TERRORIST ATTRACT.

lanaVello:
me too

Ok, you are welcome.

This tread!

Hmmmm! it will move forward, but it did took a lot of time to get it running thus far. There will come a time it will pick up again though. Just hope you will be available then.

Pureheart91:
Am jst passin tru and was caught by ds thread earlier posts....wow seems d new year agenda of change is rilli @ wrk here.....
Where are dy founders of ds thread;perhaps dy have set dere priorities on dy wrong path...
Please wakeup and lets move ds thread forward, its an eye opener!
Humbly urs in touch..
Bro.Pureheart-God bless You

Lol. Funny.

Lilbrown007:
I MADE THEM I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS EXCEPT IF I DIDN'T MAKE THEM

Nope!

Not when the things you created have Freewill. Having of Freewill makes all the difference.

A man once talked to me on why Islam is the preferred religion, He went about finding fault with the way there are restriction in the Bible for Christians and loved the privileges in the Koran for men when it comes to having wives. He certainly had the love for the allowance to have many wives and concubines.

Well, such are the good in the Koran to my friend, but i did not really see him having love for God other than his selfishness and lust.

Greed and lust have long been a factor blinding peoples eyes.

If such lust for many wives keeps one as a Muslim and he rather thinks he can disobey the other commands in there that does not suite him, then, such a person does not really deserve better from the Islamic God.

If the reason for being there is not for sexual escapade, the right think to do if one does not like most of this commands in the Koran, then he should LEAVE the religion and LEAVE Koran instead of remaining a HYPOCRITE.

Moderates should Leave Koran, cause Koran supports all the activities of Islamic state ISIS.

The problem with this Islamic religion is nothing other than the source of its doctrine > the Koran. If you think otherwise, i will explain further.

The people that i believe are practicing the dictate of the religion of Islam/Koran are the Islamic State Muslims. there is no room in the Koran for the so called "Moderate Islamist" going by the Dictate of the Koran.

The instruction in the Koran is precisely what the ISIS are doing and there is no Justification for People to tag them "Extremist" since they are doing what they are supposed to do. The Koran Ask them to Kill Infidels, Rape women not properly dress, Convert the person or behead the person, etc. and such are what the ISIS are doing. The Moderate Muslims are disobedient to the above instructions, they are rather watering down the religion and disobedient.

There is no two ways about it, any follower of the Koran will do exactly the same thing with what this people of ISIS are doing when cornered. As long as the individual accepts Koran as the word of God, the person will do just the same thing when the situation does not favor him or her.

So, the real problem? the real problem is the Koran itself, the Koran supports all what ISIS are doing.

The truth? the truth is that, the so called Moderate Muslims are the fake Muslims, they are Hypocrites, cause they accept a different thing in the Koran and do a completely different thing and called themselves "Moderates Islam". Error! Disobedience.
Why the need for the word Moderate then? Think!

Do people really seat to understand the meaning and implication of the tag "Moderate Islam"? It means that this are the Muslims that have decided not to apply what the Koran says! Simple!
They are the fake Muslims and the ISIS and the likes are the real deal. Moderateness is the lack of full intensity.

If Koran were to be genuine, it means that the so call ISIS are the ones that will be rewarded by their God, and the fake moderate Muslims will all lose out. simple!

You may not want to see it this way, but not seeing it this way makes those that complain and accused Christians of not following what the Bible says as also being Hypocrites.
Yes, because in one mouth you find fault with professed followers of Christ not following the Scriptures and turned around and blame Genuine Muslims for doing what their scriptures tell them to do.

When did not following the scriptures the right way to go and the right thing to do?

ISIS are the True followers of the Koran and the true Muslims. Simple. All others not following Koran are FAKE Muslims and HYPOCRITES!

If you don't like what Islam is doing, then, you know what you should do.

ruffyola:
Why are people this judgemental? how could u just conclude that this attack was carried out by Muslims. From the report i see even the French never called the attack was done by Muslims.
Y don't they even arrest the driver if he is alive and interrogate him and find out more instead of we in Nigeria here shouting on the internet even when we don't know what really transpired.

If you are of the opinion that he was not influence by Islam, can you kindly tell me what you think drove him to cause such destruction and death?

Hmmmmm! SMHS. So so awful!

MakeWeTalk:
When I was confused, I asked this question on Nairaland

My Father is Muslim and my Mother is Christian.
Many atimes my father has beaten my mother and when we complain or my uncles on my mothers side complain my father replies

"You know I am a muslim man and follow the Quo'ran to the letter.
In Islam we are told to beat our wives if she mispleases us"

So I asked my father to explain what he said and he showed me the quo'ran that say's clearly you can beat your wife.

Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,"

Qur'an (4:34) -
" Men are the maintainers of women because
Allah has made some of them to
....... BEAT THEM;


So I tried to comfort my mum, when she said "She will not encourage her daughters to marry a Muslim"
[/b]And I asked her why not and she said in her Christianity men are commanded to LOVE THEIR WIVES NOT BEAT

Again I asked for proof and she showed me these in the bible which I checked.

Ephesians 5:25 (KJV)
[b]Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


Colossians 3:19
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
and
BE NOT BITTER AGAINST THEM.


These verses in the bible shocked me.


So brothers please tell me how come our quoran encourages beating our women while the Christians God & Bible says not to beat our wives,


I have even sought teachings on this and all the Imams teach you to beat your wife.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hcQTmcgkKA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3b3TpKaly0?t=13s

This is worrying to me, as I wont want my sisters to be beaten by her husband.
So am I agreeing that my sisters should marry a Christian and not a muslim.?

Also why does your bible command you not to beat your wife, while our quoran commands us to beat our wives?



From the replies I got, I realized that islam was a lie

Interesting!

Good you appreciate the Beauty of what you saw in the Bible, well-done. But you will need more to make your leaving Islam worth it. You really have to study the Bible and take in Bible knowledge so as not to be deceived due to your lack of knowledge of what the Bible says.

My advice, study the Bible and make its knowledge your watch word and make such knowledge your own.

Peace.

PastorAIO:
So is Yahweh a child of Satan?

Is Yahweh a LIAR! ?

I however, will not want to accept that the Church is a literal structure.

I see the church as the gathering of brethren-for the purpose of worship/follower-ship of Christ.

As in Sadis in Revelation, Jesus addressing to the Church cannot be to a literal structure, but a group of Christ followers in Sadis.

PastorAIO:
I would imagine that he would know what was going on in the churches of Revelation the same way he knew what was going on with the Kings of Babylon and the Kings of Assyria.

Let me see if I get you straight.

Are you saying that Jesus is not present somewhere until 2 or 3 christians turn up in his name to meet?

I personally believe that when Jesus says , 'there I am in the midst of them' he is not referring to some sort of magical emergence but rather he is referring to an intensified concentrated efficacy.

Would you be saying that when a christian is alone, say, in a prison cell or wherever, that Jesus is not present with him? That there is no one there to 'take all their requests to the father' as you put it?

I say that is not true but rather Jesus was referring to a concentrated efficacy and a heightening of authority when there is more than one person gathered with a shared purpose. I believe that Jesus was stressing the importance of communal activity.


All that is very different with the argument being put forward by the OP that the Church is defined by 2 or 3 people coming together in his name.




Are saying that the only way that Jesus knew what was going on in Sardis is because he was in the midst of the Dead church?

Lol.

Well, i agree that he knows a lot more, even outside of what is happening to Christians. As long we don't limit that scriptures to only prayers.

I will even accept that the scripture was him assuring Christians that he knows all that is happening, even when 'they' make request. even when they cannot literally see him, he knows what.

Besides, how can he be the Judge of all mankind if he will not know all that all mankind is doing?

John5:22

22 "For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted 'all' the judging to the Son".
...........................................................................................................................

Peace