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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism: If There Is Satan There Must Be God by truthmans2012(op): 10:02pm On May 31, 2016

donnffd:
Please spare me that age bullcrap, its insulting and i hope you are more courteous next time when discussing with people rather than ask for their age because they dont agree with your idealogy...

As for Magic, ever heard of matt franco or david blaine or cris angel? Go on youtube, search and see what these guys do...there is this two guys like that, forgotten their names but they are magicians and guess what, they are atheists...These people do things that seem supernatural, but there is always something underneath the cloak that you the audience is not seeing

Asking for your age is no insult, it is just to check out your experience in life. Is this the first time you would hear "how old are you" with no insult intended?

You skipped my questions about sharp knife and AK-47 gun above.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism: If There Is Satan There Must Be God by truthmans2012(op): 9:46pm On May 31, 2016

donnffd:
First of all, i dont know what my age has to do with anything

Secondly, listen to yourself, Magic...whats magic?
Whats the aim of a magician? Why does a magician like to command an audience?, why do they collect money for their shows?

People like to be dazzled, thats why the pay to see themselves get fooled because the brain is a very vulnerable organ and can be easily fooled by well practiced tricks...

So you called sharp knife not cutting human flesh tricks ? You called guns not penetrating human body tricks ?

I asked for your age because you might not be old enough to have seen some things in life.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism: If There Is Satan There Must Be God by truthmans2012(op): 9:39pm On May 31, 2016

onetrack:
You expect to challenge atheists by citing someone somewhere who swears that they saw something but can't really prove it? What a waste of time.

Bring my some experiment that I can reproduce myself and observe the results myself. Don't give me the testimony of superstitious, gullible peasants.

Mind your language! You don't have to speak like an uncultured child. What angered you in the thread that you have to start throwing an insult?

What evidence do you expect in the spiritual things that are invisible ? You can only see the effects and not the causes. You can only see what the spirits are doing and not the spirits themselves.

Do you see the air? Don't you feel it?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism: If There Is Satan There Must Be God by truthmans2012(op): 9:22pm On May 31, 2016

Magic:

Magic (paranormal)

Magic or sorcery is the use of rituals, symbols, actions, gestures, and language with the aim of exploiting supernatural forces.[1][2]:6-7[3][4]:24 The belief in and practice of magic has been present since the earliest human cultures and continues to have an important spiritual, religious, and medicinal role in many cultures today.[5]

Psychological theories consider magic a personal phenomenon intended to meet individual needs as opposed to a social phenomenon serving a collective purpose. The belief that one can influence supernatural powers, by prayer, sacrifice, or invocation dates back to prehistoric religions and it can be found in early records such as the Egyptian pyramid texts and the Indian Vedas.[6]

Magic and religion are categories of beliefs and systems of knowledge used within societies. Some forms of shamanic contact with the spirit world seem to be nearly universal in the early development of human communities. They appear in various tribal peoples from Aboriginal Australia and Māori people of New Zealand to the Amazon, African savannah, and pagan Europe.

Magic is sometimes practiced in isolation and secrecy and often viewed with skepticism and suspicion by the wider community.[4]:24 In non-scientific societies, a perceived magical attack is sometimes employed to explain personal or societal misfortune.[7]

The term "magical thinking" in anthropology, psychology, and cognitive science refers to causal reasoning often involving associative thinking, such as the perceived ability of the mind to affect the physical world (see the philosophical problem of mental causation) or correlation mistaken for materialist causation.

The concept of magic, considered distinct from religion, was first widely recognized in Judaism, which defined the practices of pagan worship designed to appease and receive benefits from gods other than Yahweh as magic.[2]:6-7 Wouter Hanegraaff argues that magic is in fact "a largely polemical concept that has been used by various religious interest groups either to describe their own religious beliefs and practices or—more frequently—to discredit those of others."[3]

Modern Western magicians generally state magic's primary purpose to be personal spiritual growth.[8]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(paranormal)

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism: If There Is Satan There Must Be God by truthmans2012(op): 9:14pm On May 31, 2016

donnffd:
Interesting...why are supernatural claims always vague and no real evidence for it?

Do you believe there are people who believe they were kidnapped by aliens and experimented on, would you believe them or you would say its satan?

Or would you be a rational thinker and ask, where is the evidence of your abduction?

So, until someone brings me tangible proof of the supernatural(if anything like that exists?), i remain skeptical and would use reason to evaluate scenerios like this...

Do you watch magic on TV ?

How old are you ? Haven't you seen Hausa magicians before?

Haven't you seen charms work ? Who is behind it?

Search for magic on Google and come and tell me your discovery here.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism: If There Is Satan There Must Be God by truthmans2012(op): 8:53pm On May 31, 2016

Ronpet777:
Hmmmm! Food for thought...I love d point u hv raised.Because here in Africa,we don't need more prove to knw dt there is Satan.But Y do this pple doubt d superior and benevolent power of God? Cos left to Satan,d world wud hv collapsed.

Succinct !!!

Christianity Etc › Atheism: If There Is Satan There Must Be God by truthmans2012(op): 8:36pm On May 31, 2016

If there is Satan there must be God.

Satan being a lesser spirit and driven to the world from heaven (Revelations 12) operates prominently on the earth. Satan is behind magic and I have seen magic performed wonderfully on many occasions.

I have witnessed Hausa people cut their belly with a very sharp knife without a cut. That is magical and Satan is behind magic.

Some years ago, there was a clash between the OPC and Hausa people in Lagos. The OPC militants staged a checkpoint in front of the house I was residing at that time. Then, the Federal Government despatched anti-riot police, loads of them to the area and began to shoot at the boys but magically, none of them was killed or injured by the bullets. The bullets penetrated electric poles, water tanks and some houses, killing a man inside his room. What was desplayed was the power of charm, which Satan was the source.

I was in a house one day in the night when I saw the image of three birds on the ceiling. Just the image. I raised an alarm and they disappeared. I told the people around but found it difficult to believe but shortly after the incident, they appeared again and people in that house saw them by themselves. That is the work of witches headed by Satan.

One or two of the above incidents must have been witnessed by some or many of the atheists. Therefore there can't be Satan without God.

Islam › Re: Plans To Islamize Nigeria by truthmans2012: 7:15pm On May 31, 2016

udatso:
I knew you were hurt that we don't engage you in arguments, I just didn't know it was this bad. Take heart bro. You need islamophobin

Keep deceiving yourself. You have been having no point to refute my threads. I could see how many of you islamists fly out when you think you have a point.

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Islam › Re: The Missing Verses Of The Quran With Proofs by truthmans2012(op): 7:10pm On May 31, 2016

Islamic apologists over to you.

Islam › Re: The Missing Verses Of The Quran With Proofs by truthmans2012(op): 6:30pm On May 31, 2016

truthmans2012:
With all the proofs ?

Pity you.

Islam › Re: How The Quran Was Corrupted by truthmans2012(op): 2:12pm On May 31, 2016

truthman2012:
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And now that you have read these ?

With these there is no way you can refute the quran not being corrupted or claim it is perfect.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good News: Jesus May Not Allow Islam To Conquer The World Afterall by truthmans2012(op): 2:09pm On May 31, 2016

Anas09:
I mentioned you in a thread about Muhammed being prophesied by in a Hindu Prophecy long even before Christ was born. The prophecy called him demon posswssed, it said, he will started a demonic religion with his followers full of hate for others, killing those will not believe in Him, eating all kinds of meat except Pork.
It was so accurate.
Muhammed is of the devil for sure.

This is very serious.

The coming of Muhammad was prophesied in the kingdom of darkness, Hinduism. That clearly shows he was raised a prophet by Satan. I once posted in islam section some years ago the similarities between Hinduism and islam, which was quickly deleted by the mod.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Convert To A Muslim by truthmans2012: 1:08pm On May 30, 2016

hericjames:
I saw dere way of life very simple I dnt knw y I wnt to b amuslim my parent dnt wnt to support me

What kind of spirit entered into you?

Why would they support you to create problem in the family ?

We have heard of a boy who was deceived to convert to islam and the next thing he did was go into the Church and beheaded his father.

Boy, don't allow Satan to preach islam to you. Jesus said "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations and then the end shall come (Mat. 24:14). Jesus didn't tell us about islam, He said the Gospel should be preached till the end of the world, meaning islam is from the Devil.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Good News: Jesus May Not Allow Islam To Conquer The World Afterall by truthmans2012(op): 12:53pm On May 30, 2016

Anas09:
But wait... Who said Islam was going to prevail?
Okay, let's for the sake of argument agree that these folk are the descendants of Ismail, what does the covenant or prophecy say about the descendants of Ismail? Let's see. Gen 16:12 says Ismail shall be a wild man, his hands shall be agaisnt everyone and everyone's hands shall be agaisnt him. (causing trouble and headache for everyone in the world) but he will live amongst his people. Meaning we can't help but live with them, but them prevail over us? Na lie.
Why is that? The covenant is with Isaac, the seed of Promise, not with Ismail the seed of Slavery.

Galatians 4:22-26 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondmaid and one by the free woman.

But whereas the child of the slave woman was born according to the flesh and had an ordinary birth, the son of the free woman was born in fulfillment of the promise.

Now all this is an allegory; these [two women] represent two covenants. One covenant originated from Mount Sinai [where the Law was given] and bears [children destined] for slavery; this is Hagar.

Now Hagar is (stands for) Mount Sinai in Arabia and she corresponds to and belongs in the same category with the present Jerusalem, for she is in bondage together with her children.

But the Jerusalem above (the Messianic kingdom of Christ) is free, and she is our mother.

Did you read the part that says, Hagar is bondage, she and her children?

Here is where the Jealousy agaisnt the Jews and Christians stems from. They know they don't have a future, they are fighting so hard to get it by force. But, by and large, the Promises of the Lord stands sure.
They are slaves,and slaves can't rule over the Princes.

Satan seized the opportunity of the rivalry between Sarah, Abraham's wife and Hagar, Abraham's slave to create islam. God said His covenant was with Isaac and in Isaac shall his (Abraham's) seeds be called, meaning Ishmael was no more recognized by God.

Genesis 21:12
And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
The bold shows Ishmael was no longer recognized by God, how would He send a prophet (Muhammad) through his (Ishmael's) descendants?

Genesis 22:1-2
1. Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he replied.

2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

Ishamael was born first yet God told Abraham "your only son". It means God no more recognized Ishamael as Abraham's son. How would He send a prophet (Muhammad) from his (Ishmael's) descendant?

All those Bible passages were not written against Muhammad or islam as they had been written centuries before Muhammad was born and in fact, at that time nobody could envisage he would be born. So it is the truth and no atom of bias.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Convert To A Muslim by truthmans2012: 12:08pm On May 30, 2016

Oladim001:
Look who's talking of intelligence here and he can't even deduce from his OWN post that it pains him. It hurts to you to know that more people are joining Islam day by day and the reason is glaring for all to see. You guys never creates thread informing people of your own religion and yet you continue to open threads in the name of other religions. You don't know that it just makes people more interested in that religion and eventually start practicing it. And he is here telling me about intelligence.

Who are those interested in islam, a religion of immorality and death ? Those interested are the people who are doomed for hell, people like Judas who have been destined for hell. Allah clearly stated muslims will go to hell (Quran 3:185, 19:68-72). It is so clear that people who choose islam choose hellfire.

The OP is not interested in islam, he is only mocking it going by his question and for your information, muslims population is drastically reducing in core islamic countries and so it will continue till Jesus will completely take them over.

Read more here:

www.nairaland.com/3135568/good-news-jesus-may-not

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 11:00am On May 30, 2016

Oladim001:
Wow for how long wud a farmer continue clearing the ground is it until the farming season is over. Pretty dumb if you ask me.

There is no much to show yet that the ground is totally cleared and that is why some of you islamists are still talking in favour of islam. When your eyes are clear enough we will introduce the Gospel to you.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Convert To A Muslim by truthmans2012: 10:54am On May 30, 2016

Oladim001:
You just confirmed it yourself now. YOU ARE CONVULSING WITH ANGER. Pele oo

This is what I said about your intelligence. How does my post show anger ?

As a matter of fact, my post shows clearly islamic falsehood.

Christianity Etc › Re: Good News: Jesus May Not Allow Islam To Conquer The World Afterall by truthmans2012(op): 10:41am On May 30, 2016

Edwinmason:
there is only one true religion and christ is the founder

Jesus said "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to ALL NATIONS and then the END will come (Mat. 24:14).

God expects the Gospel to be preached till the end of the world thereby making islam a false religion.

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Christianity Etc › Good News: Jesus May Not Allow Islam To Conquer The World Afterall by truthmans2012(op): 10:27am On May 30, 2016

Despite Allah's threat to conquer the world by force (Quran 9:33, 61:9), Jesus may not allow him to succeed afterall. With the rate allahh's terrorists are going, islam will soon kill itself.

The Islamic State has been filling the headlines for a long time and filling the hearts of many people in the Middle East with fear. But in the midst of all this, the church in the Middle East is showing the love of Christ to those who fled their homes. Muslims in the Middle East are turning to Jesus in unprecedented numbers.

Before the war, it was rare that a Muslim would become a follower of Jesus Christ. The war has changed everything. According to one of the Christian workers of a church in Lebanon, many new converts say they had their doubts about Islam before they converted. “Doubt is many times the key to start a change,” says the church worker.

We meet with Amir*, Rasha* and their two children, who fled from Homs. Proof of the extraordinary change lies in her arms sleeping —a five month old baby girl with the very Christian name Christina.

“Since 2012, we have been living in a tent,” Amir shares. “It is not an easy life. About a year ago my wife’s mother was killed by a sniper when she went out to have some fresh air. My wife’s brother was killed on his way home.”

The life of this family was and is still hard, but recently they found light in their life. “About three months ago, I was given a vision of Jesus Christ,” Rasha shares. “I was sleeping and all of a sudden I saw Jesus Christ in white. He said ‘I am Christ. You will have a beautiful daughter.’ I was eight months pregnant, and a month later we received our beautiful daughter.” At about the same time the husband had a dream, too. “I saw Jesus Christ. He was dressed in white. He said to me ‘I am your Savior. You will follow me.’”

“We’re Afraid Now”

Both Amir and Rasha made a bold decision after these dreams. “We decided to follow Him. We named our baby Christina. We left our old Islamic customs.” Amir stopped going to the mosque, but Rasha still dresses as a Muslim woman with her head covered by a veil. “Our clan is very big; we’re afraid now. They might kill us,” says Rasha.

Amir continues: “Our family knows we are Christians now. Becoming a Christian is, for them, the same as if I had destroyed the Kaaba in Saudi Arabia. It is because we walked in the darkness and are now in the light. I want to protect my family.”

Because of the danger, they didn’t want to continue living in the tent in the camp where mainly Muslims live. With her soft and sad voice Rasha says: “We now have no fixed place to live, we go from place to place.”

Back home in Syria, Amir worked as a carpenter. “I have no work in Lebanon. Our financial situation is bad. Now, because we are Christians, others don’t want to help us. The church is helping as much as is possible.”

Gesturing with their hands and faces, they say they don’t know what the future will bring. “The most important thing is that we know Jesus Christ as our Savior,” the man adds. “He will save us. We regularly pray to the Lord, we freely worship Him, and He protects us. God is with us. God will resolve our situation.”

Source: https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/stories/tag-blog-post/muslims-turn-to-christ-in-unprecedented-numbers-pt-1/

Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Convert To A Muslim by truthmans2012: 10:14am On May 30, 2016

SirWere:
Hahahahaha....... Annuaki and Truthman are probably covulsing with anger right now...

Covulsing for what?

I only pity him if he meant what he said. He should have sought Jesus Christ rather than islam.

But I doutbt if he meant it. His question should not have been asking the difference between Allah and Muhammad. He is only making a jest about Muhammad and allah being the same person because anything Muhammad wanted he would say allah revealed it. When he lusted for Saheed's wife (his adopted son's wife) he said Allah revealed that he should take her from him to marry her. Any reasonable person should think Muhammad was a fraudster and not a prophet of God.

The man knows it is such a thread that thrills you islamists. Many of you would have chanted "allahu Akbar" many times by now. Smh !!!

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 5:20pm On May 28, 2016

lexiconkabir:
This islamophobin will soon finish fa.

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 4:26pm On May 28, 2016

Rilwayne001:
Your articles about what Christianity or what Jesus preaches?

I am still waiting for that day.

Huum

One needs to clear the ground before planting. You have been so indoctrinated in islamic falsehood probably right from your birth that preaching Jesus to you is a waste of time without first dispelling islamic deception in your mind.

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 4:21pm On May 28, 2016

lexiconkabir:
There is nothing to defend , this is why i am prescribing islamophobin for you.

I think you are right. There shouldn't be anything to defend actually as your islamic scholars have spoken in the OP.

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 1:12pm On May 28, 2016

Demmzy15:
Shhhhh!!! You talk too much, anyone who brags and writes false articles which are packed with lies, his eternal abode is hell fire. I tell you mehn, repent before it's too late because you're going to end badly!

How can I repent and accept Islam to go to hell ? You do not wish me well oooo !!! I'm satisfied with holy and sinless Jesus and will never go to Muhammad with many immoral acts coupled with high class wickedness.

Quran says Muhammad is already in hell and no amount of your wishing him peace can remove him from it.

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 1:06pm On May 28, 2016

lexiconkabir:
Hurry!! Get your own islamophobin, before it finishes.

You have nothing for defence grin

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 1:01pm On May 28, 2016

Demmzy15:
Shhhhh!!! You talk too much, anyone who brags and writes false articles which are packed with lies, his eternal abode is hell fire. I tell you mehn, repent before it's too late because you're going to end badly!

Bring out the lies in this OP.

What is in the OP that is not substatiated with islamic proofs ?

Islam › Re: Proof: No Hadith Was Fabricated, It Is A Lie !!! by truthmans2012: 12:05pm On May 28, 2016

true2god:
allahh's apostate's incessant breaking of oath shows that he is not reliable and a selfish human being.

By his attitudes, Muhammad is nowhere near a prophet of God. How could a true prophet of God be breaking oaths with impunity?

What we read in hadiths are true of Muhammad and his character is worse than what he called infidels.

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 11:55am On May 28, 2016

Demmzy15:
No need for us to check the bible, they were all men of God and so the holy spirit inspired them! Paul never met Jesus, yet you follow, so proves is something you can't request if you can all follow Paul blindly.

Lexiconkabir come and see the hypocrite!

Ignorance !!!

Many Churches were founded by Paul, which Jesus addressed in the Book of Revelation. If Jesus didn't know Paul, how would He address the Churches he founded ?

You have been deceived and blinded to the truth hence you stick to islam despite the great exposures of its falsehoods.

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 10:53am On May 28, 2016

lexiconkabir:
, I dont know when these guys will realise that nobody can become a Christian by their actions, instead people are trying to learn more about islam, and through this they become Muslims.

Anyone who reads our articles and remains or becomes a muslim needs his brain examined.

Allah promised hell for muslims as in this article, therefore anybody who remains a muslim or converts to islam does so at his own eternal risk.

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 10:43am On May 28, 2016

Demmzy15:
The verse is clear enough, continue deluding yourself. Pray you don't die in this state because it's going to messy for you!

Since your leader, Muhammad is in hell and you keep praying for his peace anytime you mention his name, what do you think will happen to you followers ?

Quran confirms muslims are going to hell, if you believe in Allah you should believe his words.

Islam › Re: Proof: No Hadith Was Fabricated, It Is A Lie !!! by truthmans2012: 10:30am On May 28, 2016

ypeace:
Remember the topic; 'proof: no Hadith was Fabricated.
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Moving to the 4th page now, you have proved nothing.
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Bring out an Hadith which was said to me fabricated and fault the reasons why scholars said it was fabricated.
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I think that is simple enough to do than dancing around and trying so hard to bring in irrelevant discussion into what is 'simple' to proof.
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One obvious reason you can't proof it is that, you don't even know the conditions why some Hadith were termed Da'if. Infact, it is even obvious from your first post you don't know what an Hadith is. Walahi, you are only displaying your ignorance......
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I do not agree with you that some Hadiths are not fabricated. You have proved nothing......

This is just the point: you claim some hadiths are fabricated. Then you are under a duty to prove how unauthorized hadiths marched into the sequence of the writing of the authors. For example, how can you claim hadith number 50 is authentic and number 51 by Sahih Bukhari is fabricated. How did the fabricated ones entered into his book in the right serial or sequential numbering?

You kept insisting I should provide fabricated hadiths as if they don't exist, is that a defence for the OP? Yet you believe fabricated hadiths exist. Then what is your point?

Muhammad was a cross-dresser as in the above hadtih, true or fabricated?

Muhammad was a deceiver, true or false?:

I am the best of plotters. I deceived them with My guile so that I delivered you from them.
Ishaq:323

Muhammad lacked good hygiene, hadith true or fabricated?

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle used to visit Um Haram bint Milhan, who would offer him meals. Um-Haram was the wife of Ubada bin As-Samit. Allah's Apostle, once visited her and she provided him with food and started looking for lice in his head.Then Allah's Apostle slept, and afterwards woke up smiling. Um Haram asked, "What causes you to smile, O Allah's Apostle?" He said. "Some of my followers who (in a dream) were presented before me as fighters in Allah's Cause (on board a ship) amidst this sea cause me to smile; they were as kings on the thrones (or like kings on the thrones)." (Ishaq, a sub-narrator is not sure as to which expression the Prophet used.) Um-Haram said, "O Allah's Apostle! Invoke Allah that he makes me one of them. Allah's Apostle invoked Allah for her and slept again and woke up smiling. Once again Um Haram asked, "What makes you smile, O Allah's Apostle?" He replied, "Some of my followers were presented to me as fighters in Allah's Cause," repeating the same dream. Um-Haram said, "O Allah's Apostle! Invoke Allah that He makes me one of them." He said, "You are amongst the first ones." It happened that she sailed on the sea during the Caliphate of Mu'awlya bin Abi Sufyan, and after she disembarked, she fell down from her riding animal and died.
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:47

Muhammad was a liar, hadith true or fabricated ?

Narrated Zahdam: ... We stayed for a short while (after we had covered a little distance), and then I said to my companions, "Allah's Apostle has forgotten his oath. By Allah, if we do not remind Allah's Apostle of his oath, we will never be successful." So we returned to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We asked you for mounts, but you took an oath that you would not give us any mounts; we think that you have forgotten your oath.' He said, 'It is Allah Who has given you mounts. By Allah, and Allah willing, if I take an oath and later find something else better than that. then I do what is better and expiate my oath.' "
Sahih Bukhari 7:67:42

Do you want more hadiths ?

Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthmans2012: 9:32am On May 28, 2016

Demmzy15:
If you don't understand anything, please shut tha hell up. This verse refers to Quraysh pagans not Christian and Jewish women, this verse can also be used a proof against marrying Hindus, Buddhists and the likes, it doesn't refer to Jews and Christians.

....... The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) when you have given their due Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girl-friends. And whosoever disbelieves in the Oneness of Allah and in all the other Articles of Faith [i.e. His (Allah's), Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and Al-Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers. Qur'an 5:5

This is what the Qur'an says, now which is more tolerant? Islam or Christianity? From this verse, it totally refutes your assertion that Muslims are required to kill Christians when in fact the Qur'an prescribes opposite, I hope you know the amount of love that exists between pairs before they get married. Truthman2012, your lies would continue to be busted ad Insha'Allah, Christianity would be extinguished from this forum!

You lack good reasoning friend.

Are Christians kafri (infidels) in Islam or not? If they are, how are they different from other pagans? I want your answers on this.

Why should the food of the Christians as kafri (infidels) be lawful for the muslims? It shows the revealer of the quran didn't know what he was doing. If you could eat their food and marry their daughters, why do you still call them kafri?

To confirm to you further, allahh was manipulative to increase the number of muslims population by permitting them to marry Christian girls and not allow Christian boys to marry Muslim girls.

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b]Demmzy15[/b]

This is what the Qur'an says, now which is more tolerant? Islam or Christianity? From this verse, it totally refutes your assertion that Muslims are required to kill Christians when in fact the Qur'an prescribes opposite, I hope you know the amount of love that exists between pairs before they get married. Truthman2012, your lies would continue to be busted ad Insha'Allah, Christianity would be extinguished from this forum!

This is not enough to prove Islam is tolerant. Allahh is never stable: he would say something today and abrogate it tomorrow (Quran 2:106). For every verse of the quran there is the reverse and that is the reason some muslims believe in peace and others in violence. Allahh like Satan has two faces, you call him by the face he turns to you.

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