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ypeace:
Remember the topic; 'proof: no Hadith was Fabricated.
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Moving to the 4th page now, you have proved nothing.
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Bring out an Hadith which was said to me fabricated and fault the reasons why scholars said it was fabricated.
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I think that is simple enough to do than dancing around and trying so hard to bring in irrelevant discussion into what is 'simple' to proof.
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One obvious reason you can't proof it is that, you don't even know the conditions why some Hadith were termed Da'if. Infact, it is even obvious from your first post you don't know what an Hadith is. Walahi, you are only displaying your ignorance......
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I do not agree with you that some Hadiths are not fabricated. You have proved nothing......

Do you believe that hadith where Muhammad was portrayed a cross-dresser is authentic or fabricated ? I noticed you were silent on it, why? Since it is authentic, why should a supposed man of God be wearing women's cloth and even receiving revelations when worn? Can you imagine yourself wearing skirt and blouse and carrying the quran and shouting allahu Akbar? It is not recorded it was Allah that told him to be wearing women's cloth and also braiding his hair. Those are the behaviours of gays

My friend, it is impossible for you to hide behind a finger. It is a known fact that muslims deny many hadiths claiming they are fabricated because they show the dirt of islam. I'm not surprised you are denying this fact because it is islamic to lie in defence of islam.

Reported Aisha (RA) "the verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times was revealed and they were written on a paper and kept under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) expired and we were occupied by his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper" (Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith 1944).

Is that hadith authentic or fabricated ? If it is authentic it means the quran is incomplete as some parts were eaten up by a goat.

True to the hadith, the part of stoning adulterers were completely ommitted from.the quran thereby rubbishing muslims' claim that the quran is complete.

I will supply you tomorrow more authentic hadiths muslims claim they were fabricated because no reasonable person will remain a muslim if such could be true..

Demmzy15:
So why do you now criticize Islam because it allows Muslim-Christian marriages?

Islam shouldn't have permitted Muslim-Christian marriages since Christians are kafri in islam. And besides, it amounts to islamic contradiction if islam allows such marriages because allahh once said "Do not marry unbelieving
women, until they
believe: A slave woman who
believes is better than an
unbelieving woman, even
though she allures you. Nor
marry (your girls) to
unbelievers until they believe: A
man slave who believes is
better than an unbeliever, even
though he allures you.
Unbelievers do (but) beckon
you to the Fire. But Allah
beckons by His Grace to the
Garden (of bliss) and
forgiveness, and makes His
Signs clear to mankind: That
they may celebrate His praise.
Qur'an 2:221

ypeace:
Just bring what I asked if you are sure of what you are writing about. It will be easy for you to prove your stance with the examples with your 'vast Islamic knowledge'.

Answer my question, are you agreeing with me that no hadiths are actually fabricated ?

Do you believe this hadith?

Muhammad a cross-dresser

Narrated by Abdullah ibn Abdel Wahab, narrated by Hamad, narrated by Hisham, narrated by his father who related that the people would present their gifts (to the prophet) when he was at Aisha’s house. The companions of Um Salamah said, “O Um Salamah! By Allah the people wait to give their gifts till it is Aisha’s day and we desire the good things just as Aisha does. So ask the prophet to command the people to give him his gifts in whatever house of his wives he may be in.” Um Salamah mentioned this to the prophet but would not respond to her. She repeated it a second time but he still would not respond to her, but on the third time he said, “O Um Salama! Do not hurt me with Aisha; for by Allah, the inspiration did not descent on me while I was in the coverings (lihaf) of any of you (women) except Aisha.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 3941 Volume Title, “The Book of Virtues.” Chapter Title, “The Virtues of Aisha)

We can see Muhammad wearing Aisha's lihaf and lihaf of his other wives. A lihaf is a dress worn by women. In fact, he said he was receiving revelations when he was in a woman's dress. Was Muhammad a Cross- dresser?

mustymatic:
You copy and paste from anti Islamic websites that's why. Believe wat u want

Typical muslims' reasoning.

Does where I got my information matter ?

What is important is the truth of the information. We got to know so much about islam on the internet and discovered the religion is false.

Demmzy15:
So in essence, a Christian can't marry a Muslim?

Yes.

The Bible says we should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers and that light has nothing to do with darkness (2 Cor. 6:14).

ypeace:
Bring in 2 Hadiths which Muslims claim to.be fabricated, then 2 which they claim to be authentic. Please give reference.

What is the meaning of this ?

Are you saying muslims don't claim hadiths that portray islam in bad light are fabricated ?

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true2god:
Don't over-flog what truthman said, it was at the height of the argument. Many Muslims have said even worse than that to us here on nairaland and we no longer take it as insult, it is one of those things to expect.

Even your prophet called the Christians and the Jews the worst of creatures (qurann 98:6). Who should I report your prophet to? And come to think of it, how can a supposed prophet of allahh call the Christians and the Jews the worst of creatures? Is that not an insult?

Don't mind them bro.

Allah called the Jews apes, how about that ?

Allah is so inconsistent, otherwise why should he say the Christians are worst creatures after praising them that they are merciful and compassionate (Quran 57:27). Allah could just say any trash at any time. What a god.

true2god:
We will drive them to be more rational in thinking. Some will take offense, but we will continue telling them the truth about Islam that are usually strange and somehow offensive to some of them.

Yes oooo !!!!

mustymatic:
According to your own conclusion
Muslims are minor in world population compared to christians. Who's on God's side?
You are eventually realising the truth
Keep wallowing in ya ignorance

Why did you quote me out of context ?

I said only minority are always on God's side. If you combine all Muslims, pagans with unfaithful Christians, a majority is already formed. Jesus said "narrow is the way that leads to heaven and a very few people are on it but broad is the way that leads to hell and so many people are there.

Emusan:
That's Unacceptable!

Let me ask you these

It's generally believe in Islamic theology that Prophet Isa is coming back;

1. Is he going to be as a new born baby or return from heaven the way he was taken to heaven?

2. What are the signs that Allah will show to let people know that truly this is prophet Isa and not just self acclaimed someone?

3. Was he going to be born/descended in Israel, Saudi, Nigeria or India?

That muslim Jesus is coming back is Muhammad's own false idea, it is not found in the quran. Who told Muhammad any Jesus is coming back since Allah didn't reveal it to him ? If the idea is true and Allah didn't reveal it, it shows the quran is incomplete and that Muhammad knew better than Allah.

true2god:
I mentioned the 'sunnah' of the islamic prophet and not the 5 'pillars' of islam. Please correct me if im wrong, are five pillar of islam the same with the sunnah of the islamic prophet? If you take time to read my post well, you will see that I ended my 5th point with an 'etc' which means that the list was not fully exhausted. Do I need teach you everything? I am dealing with adults mehn!

The 5 pillars of islam are:

1) Performing hajj: a religious tourism that sustains the economy of mecca (before oil and gas was discovered). It was a pre-islamic pagan practised that was retained by mohammed for economic reasons.

2) Shahadah: An oath where one pledged allegiance to allahh and his one and only apostle, mohammed ibn abdullah. As a Nigerian, the pre-amble of our national pledge is: I pledge to Nigeria my country, to be faithful, loyal, and honest..... The shahadah is a muslims' pledge to serve an arabian idol, allahh and honour his apostle, mohammed.

3) Salah: A prayer to the arabian idol called allahh. Just like with have a yoruba deity called 'ifa'. You just aknowlege ifa's lordship, as in point 2 above, before you can pray to ifa.

4) Zakat: A poll tax on muslims to sustain the expensive lifestyle of mohammed and his numerous wives and concubines, especially when war booty is not coming very quickly (quran 8:1). The practice of zakat was however retained and modified by Abu Bakr (the first 'rightly guided khalifa) and an institutional payment in all muslim community. Christians and Jews are however obliged to pay Jizya (quran 9:29) as a security fees to avoid being attacked by muslim overlords. Jizya is more than thrice of zakat, to impoverish to Jewish and christian community.

5) Sawn (fasting): Fasting in the month of ramadan is also a pre-islamic pagan practice which mohammed incorporated into islam. Unlike christian fasting, muslims are expected to wake by 5am and eat well to sustain them for the day while they eat in the evening to sustain them for the night.

So these are the 5 pillars of islam is summary.

My brother, don't mind these jihadists, they are under islammic hypnotism.

Should there be any argument on the OP that is sooo clear, all things being equal ?

No Muslims reason normally, no matter their level of western education. Sorry for them.

udatso:
I said it. You are frustrated we are keeping You quiet. Continue to wallow in your ignorance while we laugh at your luxuriation

You don't know what it means to ignore. Haven't muslims been talking on my thread? You keep silent only when no rebuttal is available. Many questions muslims cannot answer on islam because it is falsehood. When you can't answer you hide under ignoring. Why must you continue in self-deception ?

You will soon discover am saying the truth but it may be too late to repent. You will soon know the Allah Muhammad represents is not the God of heaven

Rilwayne001:
Shut up old fool

Na mi talk say you escaped from Yabaleft ?

Joagbaje:
There's no Jewish Muslim

Sure ?

Are you saying there are no Israeli citizens who are muslims ?

Demmzy15:
Yabaleft escapee!

Are you sure ?

When did Riwayne001 escape from Yabaleft ?

Laughter continues

lordnicklaus:
The name "Yahweh" has an Arabic version bro..... It's Arabic version is "Yahowah" and it is probably used by Arab speaking Jews......

Thanks bro.

It means if Israeli muslims call Allah and not Yahowah he is referring to an Arabian deity, not the God of Israel.

Jesus called Satan the prince of this world. It is therefore no surprise that Satan the founder of Islam would do anything to have his territory (the world) under his total control.

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Further corruption of the Quran


Missing Verse on the State of Martyrs

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
(The tribes of) Ril, Dhakwan, 'Usaiya and Bani Lihyan asked Allah's Apostle to provide them with some men to support them against their enemy. He therefore provided them with seventy men from the Ansar whom we used to call Al-Qurra' in their lifetime. They used to collect wood by daytime and pray at night. When they were at the well of Ma'una, the infidels killed them by betraying them. When this news reached the Prophet, he said Al-Qunut for one month In the morning prayer, invoking evil upon some of the 'Arab tribes, upon Ril, Dhakwan, 'Usaiya and Bani Libyan. We used to read a verse of the Qur'an revealed in their connection, but later the verse was cancelled. It was: "convey to our people on our behalf the information that we have met our Lord, and He is pleased with us, and has made us pleased." (Anas bin Malik added Allah's Prophet said Qunut for one month in the morning prayer, invoking evil upon some of the 'Arab tribes (namely), Ril, Dhakwan, Usaiya, and Bani Libyan. (Anas added Those seventy Ansari men were killed at the well of Mauna. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 416)

A verse was deliberately cancel.

Missing Verse On Stoning

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816)

This verse is missing in the quran today.

Missing Verse On Suckling

Narrated Aisha:
It had been revealed in the Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims). (Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3421)

That verse which was once found in the quran is no more there.

Missing Part On "Valley of Riches"

Anas b. Malik reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If there were two valleys of gold for the son of Adam, he would long for another one, and his mouth will not be filled but with dust, and Allah returns to him who repents. (Sahih Muslim, Number 2284)

That verse is not in today's quran.

The following hadith from Sahih Muslim mentions a verse that is no longer found in the Quran:
Anas b. Malik reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) invoked curse in the morning (prayer) for thirty days upon those who killed the Companions (of the Holy Prophet) at Bi'r Ma'una. He cursed (the tribes) of Ri'l, Dhakwan, Lihyan, and Usayya, who had disobeyed Allah and His Messenger (may peace be upon him). Anas said: Allah the Exalted and Great revealed (a verse) regarding those who were killed at Bi'r Ma'una, and we recited it, till it was abrogated later on (and the verse was like this): ‘Convey to it [sic] our people the tidings that we have met our Lord, and He was pleased with us and we were pleased with Him’. (Book 004, Number 1433)

lanimus:
The links I gave defends everything the op has posted. He had told a story without giving the exact literary material from which he has sourced them (except of course the Quranic verses he quoted) let him tell us the material from which he has sourced his information so that we can read it ourselves. Otherwise it's just a story. There are stories and then there are literary facts.

Are the quranic references not enough ? Besides, couldn't you find the hadiths that tell the story inside the thread ?

lanimus:
It would be a herculean task trying to defend the topic of this post from the varied perspectives of all who have commented on here. However for those who really seek enlightenment about the authenticity and the credibility of the Quran and the Bible, please find below the download link for fact filled literary works to help out those who are not too stoned and fixed in their views. If after reading these books your views are so unchanged. Then you're either right on your opinion, or you just can't be helped.

https://archive.org/details/Al-quran-TheMiracleOfMiraclesDeedat.pdf

https://archive.org/details/IsTheBibleGodsWorddeedat.pdf

Contrary to what you said, it is not an herculean but an impossible task to defend the OP.

Nothing in the link you gave refute the OP. I think you just wanted to say something. In fact, there is nothing to be refuted as the truth of the thread is so evident.

Where is the freedom of religion as entrenched in the Constitution of Nigeria?

annunaki2:
What do you expect off a book 'authored' by an entity that confessed to being the best of deceivers? the whole islamic religion is one big fraud.

Yes, it is a big satanic fraud.

najib632:
Guy My religion is a continuation of Judaism and christianity were u thinking that we didn't like Jesus A.S. or what? I can never insult him he is a Great messenger of Allah and he will come back and disgrace you people for changing his teachings.

Can you tell me what Jesus teachings are ?

Let me pre-empt you: My God and your God.

Then what are the others:

- On marriage
- On retaliation
- On violence
- On prayer
- On miracles

annunaki2:
And they claim allahh protects their quoran yet he couldn't protect part of the original manuscript from being eaten by a goat. That is apart from the fact that the quoran as we know it was not compiled until after mohamed died and it was abubakar that decided what made it into the quoran and what did not. Abubakar also ordered that various other versions of the quoran in circulation at that time be burnt meaning the quoran as we have it today is mostly what abubaker decided.

Therefore islam is the religion based on Abubakar's discretion. Why did they have to burn other copies if not to hide something?

Quran is the most corrupt book in the world. Allah himself corrupted it by changing his own revelations at will, Abdullah wrote many verses differently from the original revelations, rats ate up some verses making today's quran incomplete and the worst: Abubakar used his own discretion when he couldn't hear from allahh.

So many things are wrong with the quran.