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JeSoul:
but you already have a formed opinion on the matter now unless say you lead me into thinking otherwise, which I suspect you are very capable of 

Everybody has a preconcieved idea even an slowpoke. . . . Well, till we meet on that lovely day. . .

noetic2:
I believe I corrected u. . . . .check back.  
.are the objects/subjects created in genesis nihilant? . . . . .stop disgracing urself. what other evidence do u need?

I believe I answered ur question. whats next?
what are u saying?  

What the hell is all these??

JeSoul:
Calm down. The post was directed at the discussants of this thread, not the lovely person I will converse with at some point in life who has no opinion on the matter. If I will preach crap to such a person it is of no concern of yours is it?

Well you never can tell that lovely person might just be me. . . .can't be too careful these days can you?

noetic2:
u asked for empirical evidence. . . . .yet u dont know the meaning of empirical. . . . .are u ok?  

so after all your bragging and pompousity you still couldn't correct me. . . What a shame!
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where is ur PROOF?

my PROOF is that since no proof exists for your fable then it's a farce. Simple

the non-witness is not intellectually blind and bankrupt to deduce that

a. dews dont fall in the afternoon
b. the water on the floor is minimal and not flood-like or resultant effect of a flood.
c. there are no crops to be irrigated neither is there a need for irrigation.

are u this dumb?   stop disappointing ur fans.

See how you're easily deceived a simple lawn sprinkler could cause the rain effect. What do you think they use to simulate rain in movies. . . .jesus? No, its SPRINKLERS!

u still have not said how and what makes evolution a crap.

What the hell is this?
Like i said any theory without evidence is CRAP. If evolution, karma sutra or creation has no evidence then it's CRAP.

JeSoul:
Fellas, fellas why so much fighting?  
The bottomline is simple. Neither Evolution nor Creation can be scientifically proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

The problem is when one side is bold enough as to demand for evidence, the opposing view equally demands for evidence from the other - when in reality neither can prove their belief.

For those who support evolution the fact majority of scientists believe Evolution to be true, that does not validate it by any stretch of the imagination. At the end of the day evolution is still just an unprovable belief - just like Creationism.

This is borne from the deeply flawed preconception that you're either a creationist or an evolutionist. People who are neither exist you know. If you gonna preach crap to them the least you could do is have some proof.

noetic2:
what should I call u? u asked for empirical evidence without knowing the meaning of the word "empirical". are u alright? 

Since you're the wise teacher why didn't you define it??
Stop masking your ignorance with irreleavant questions.

u never disappoint ur fans.

what are the results of the story in genesis? which of the objects and substances created in genesis do not exist as was stated in genesis?

   
All of them. which of them is false

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Hey the story was made up to mask the ignorance of those primitive men i.e tailored to fit the reality just like the folklore example i gave. When a fable is constructed from ground up it's bound to resemble reality coz thats where it was built from in the first place!

The evidence that it rained today is the heavy water on the roof top and the massive ones on the floor not caused by dews, flooding or irrigation.

can you establish to a non-witness that the ones on the floor where not caused by dew, flood or irrigation?
Are you certain water was not poured/sprinkled deliberately on the roof to make it look like rain?

The evidence for the creation story is the simple fact that all that was created there . . . .was created and exists for all to see till this day.

like i said the story was made up using all we see now as raw materials no wonder there are no mentions of dinosaurs or mammoths in the bible.

And guess what. . . . .there is still no alternative.

That we don't have viable alternatives doesn't mean we have to swallow the crap of creation as truth.

horse703:
imagine an emerging organism, a human beign with half formed organs, some organs actually missing, anatomy and physiology utterly incomplete, appearing for the first time on planet earth for the first time, he now has to start mutating particular portions of his DNA to be able to even fom a nose to breath, he has to mutate specifcic portions of his DNA to be able to live in this new environment because before, he was just a fish but now he is a man, he nust mutate and fast. after mutation he must pass on traits to progeny so race can go on.
questions:
1) if mutation is random, which has been proven, and cannot be controlled by organism, how does a fish suddenly begin to mutate to form legs to walk
2) how is the newly formed organism able to survive in such a new environment and even reproduce, his physiology is in a shambles, anatomy the same, how is he able to survive then.
3) did the fish suddenly decide to mutate a hand?

These questions stem from a poor understanding of the theory of evolution.
Lets take the fish for example, in a species of fish there exist some members who are stronger than the others, probably by being able to survive much longer outside water or maybe have longer and stronger fins therefore able to swim faster to acquire food and have a higher chance of surving drought or whatever. Due to their survival they are able to reproduce producing the next generation which have even better their parents survival characteristics although some of the offspring may be just normal [ due to dominant and reccessive combination] . In this next generation the stronger ones are much more likely to survive hence reproduce offspring much more adapted in addition to some normal ones. This cycle keeps going on and the structures keep getting stronger and more specialized. Note that it takes tens to hundreds of millions of years for these mutations to occur, hence it's a gradual process.
That my friend is just a simple breakdown for you.

4)mutations that occur have been proven to be harmful, at least 99%, so how did the organism know how to mutate harmlessly, maybe it had magic powers? or im wrong.
Please atheist answer these questions

You are wrong. Genetic mutations have been done in the lab to produce crops that water resistant, drought resistant, bigger, more colourful e.t.c they are not all harmful, beneficial ones exist.

davidylan:
another bumbling fool comes tumbling forward.

Moses wasnt interested in an alternative to creationism . . . He simply wrote down what happened.

What crap is this?
Was moses present when this so called creation was taking place?
Why should we take yours or he's lying word for it??

You claim that Gen 1 and 2 is wrong and hang your belief on evolution . . . why dont you go ahead and prove it? why are you only interested in gen 1?

Where have i ever claimed to be an evolutionist??
This is pathetic! Anytime you're cornered for evidence of creation you  claw away like a mad cat labelling everyone an evolutionist. Give us EVIDENCE to back your theory instead of resorting to the weak "tag you're an evolutionist" tactics.

noetic2:
I know that u are ignorant. . , but I dont think that u should keep embarrassing urself.

what does empirical mean?  

from ur understanding of the genesis 1 and 2 account, who were the characters present there at the point of creation? was the creation there subject to human repetition? human observation? human experience or experimentation?

Are you drunk? You call me ignorant and offer to educate me yet all you do is want me to answer your questions. . .questions i put to you in the first place. Jesus will be so ashamed of you!

The resultant effects of the Genesis 1 and 2 account of creation are the EVIDENCES that continue to establish it and refute any suggestion of evolution

This is a blatant lie!
Those are not evidences rather they are claims. The story is just told to fit the reality on ground, just like old folklore- why does the tortoise have lines on the shell? "Oh the tortoise went to heaven with the vulture riding on it's wings. At the feast he ate all the food, the vulture left in annoyance and the tortoise had to jump down breaking it's shell, it pieces had to be glued by mrs tortoise hence the lines"- this story is difficult to contend coz indeed lines do exist on the tortoise shell. But we all know this story is ridiculous and a farce just like your bible story.

Which of the facts in this genesis account is false?

Which of the accounts in genesis are true? And any evidence to prove this?

davidylan:
where is your evidence for the alternative? Or are we just to assume that there is none if Gen 1 and 2 are not true? Did you appear from empty space?

What alternative??
When moses was writing his rubbish were there verifiable alternatives??

olabowale:
@Tudor: « #5 on: Today at 09:25:32 AM »   You are a toxicologist? Lets leave that alone. These people the Jews, were the same people who used to kill their own, without any remorse. What do you think they would have done to a person whose bloodline they put doen so much? Would you expect the strenght of the poison to be lighter of extremely stronger? It is obvious that they will have the strongest dose of the most poisonuous for him. Let me go to Nezan to amuse him a little before I go for my prayers. I will be back to resolve his Elijah Issue.

So what's your point??
Are you now a psychologist to no know the kind of poison they prepared?
As long as the exact poison was not mentioned claims to the type and time of effect of the poison are mere speculation.
Besides a thousand and one reasons abound as to why a very deadly poison might not be immediately fatal in some people.

So olabowale mohammed was poisoned by a woman which eventually lead to his death. What kind of a prophet can't forsee his own demise??

noetic2:
u keep disgracing urself. where did I present u a scientific evidence? 


I will produce as soon as u produce urs for evolution.

You and this your ridiculous attempt to brand me an evolutionist. I am an ATHIEST there's a difference you know. . .

if there is anything about the creation story in genesis 1 and 2 u dont understand. . .please feel free to ask. ur IGNORANCE is welcome. 

Oh thank you! I am ignorant i confess.
Pls show me empirical evidence for creation in genesis 1 and 2. . .

noetic2:
when was the last time u read genesis 1 and 2?  that u find a fact untenable does not make it less an evidence.

WHERE IS UR EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION?. . .thou pathetic illiterate.

What facts are in genesis 1 and 2 ?? I asked you for evidence you give me the deluded ramblings of desert tribesmen. Are you okay?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR CREATION?!?

Nezan, they've all gone to hide. Whenever the truth surfaces allahs slaves disapper to go sharpen their swords.
Mukina2 is probably looking for an excuse to lock this thread.

noetic2:
so this is the basis of the IGNORANCE u have been ejaculating. . .too bad 

What is the meaning of this??
Mr enlightend one WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR CREATION??

davidylan:
it "might" contain clues to our origin? So you have no idea what evolution is but you think it is more valid than creationism? you sir live a confused life.

Ofcourse i don't claim to know all like you jesus goons. I'am open to new and different ideas, that isn't confusion but a willingness to learn. You keep making it sound like if you don't accept creation then you must be an evolutionist.- this is just a cowardly fail safe option for you to fall back on when queried about creation.
Bad news, not everyone completely accepts evolution but we are mindful of the fact it might hold valuable clues as to our origin.

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR CREATION? {why do you keep dodging this question?}

noetic2:
u keep ranting endlessly. when have u ever defended the ridiculous concept called evolution? 

I don't defend it blindly. I agree it's not perfect but it MIGHT contain clues to our origins.
You on the other hand swear to the accuracy of creation. So tell me WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR CREATIONISM?

So they're not on strike heh?
Here i was thinking they've been striking for the past 15years.

toneyb:
Bla bla bla bla bla. Where are your scientific evidence that supports creationism?

Yes noetic where is your evidence to support the farce called creationism?
Mind you evolution isn't the bedrock of atheism the way creationism is the foundation for jesus and his deluded followers. So crap about flaws or loopholes in evolution wouldn't be tolerated! Give us proof!

noetic2:
honestly there is little or nothing left to be said.
Most religious and non-religious positions/opinion/beliefs oppose each other, and as such the believers tend to state their case. In stating their case, lots of interpretations are made. Some have interpreted my posts to fighting, which is false. Those words are just my way of expressing myself. neither am I evangelising. . . . I am simply stating my opinion from an objective point of view.

a. take for instance the muslims believe that Jesus is a mere prophet. . .  , thats blasphemous to a christian. Jesus is God.

b.the christian says that mohammed is a false prophet and a paedophilia. . . ,  .the muslims finds this fact blasphemous.

c. A christian wonders why mohammed elevated a moon-god (allah) to a big status. . . . .he also cannot understand why muslims have to kill all non-muslims and why mohammed has to have sex with a 9 year old. . . .yet a muslim says mohammed is the best creature that ever lived.

d. the atheist considers it stupid for xtians and muslims to believe in the existence of a nihilant and inert God ,  . .  . .christians cannot understand why anyone could be so intellectually bankrupt to disbelieve in the existence of God with all prevailing evidences. ,  . . .the atheist considers this evidences unacceptable and untenable. . . . .the christian asks the atheist to produce his own evidences to support his disbelief. . . .the atheist resorts to insults and name calling.

e. the atheist offers evolution as an alternative to creation. . .  ,  the christian asks questions about evolution and the atheist cannot answer. evolution is subsequently rubbished,  . . . .the atheist resorts to insults and unprintable words.


The beliefs and disbelief of all sides involved oppose and contradict each other. The best thing about it all is the freedom of speech and expression, superiority of the intellectual argument and objective reasoning that has been repeatedly attempted to be practised by the christian community on nairaland.
IT is only ironic that the muslims have failed to allow issues with regards to mohammed, allah, paedophilia, apostates killing, sharia law and islamic injustice to be debated. . . they have resorted to e-terrorism.
The atheists on the other hand have simply resorted to full blown intellectual bankruptcy and mental incapacity. . . . look around the religion section. . . .[b]one should be ashamed of the quality of posts credited to atheists [/b]and deists.

So in answering the OP question. . .I dont expect everyone to be a christian. .  . . but I dont think anyone should be heartless (islam) or ignorant (atheist)

Doubleh, The highlighted above are all LIES. I urge you to disregard them while the rest have some truth in it.
In the annals of NL no christian by whatever badge has EVER provided hard empirical evidence as to the existence of god. Neither has evolution been "rubbished" as falsely claimed.

Noetic stop lying to the new guy we all know the truth.

Ibime:
Donovan is correct. . . . the only man at LA Galaxy with a strong enough profile to criticise Beckham. . . . if you see the way Beckham has been stroliing during LA games, you would puke. . . . the amount of chances conceded due to Beckhams failure to close down his opponents should be three or four chances a game. Beckham is obviously de-motivated at LA and needs to find his way back to Europe ASAP cos he is just embarassing himself there.

Even though he's correct does he have to take advantage and make a quick buck?? His motives are not genuine so this pours cold water on any case he might have coz he's doing it for the mon£y!
All these rubbish about him caring for the MLS is arrant nonsense.

This topic is inaccurate.
How many black prem players date white girls??

Donovan is an idiot and a bastard gold digger!
If he truely wanted to be honest why did he have to write a book "The Beckham Experiment" ? Whats wrong in just giving interviews to the media?
He wants to create hype for the book and make a quick buck. The truth is DAVID BECKHAM SELLS and donovan is just trying to cash in using "honest criticism" as an excuse. Screw the f.ucking gringo!

Let him keep dreaming. . . Arsenal are heading for another trophyless season with star signing Vermaleen as top scorer!

Never take text messages serious. She's probably sending it to the new guy right now!
I wouldn't be suprised if she sent it after you gave her 1500 recharge card - recharge cards {especially 1500} make even the most frigid and unemotional girl turn to william shakespeare. . .

MRbrownJAY:
i agree with what you said on wishing him to catch HIV but as the above statement, i would have to disagree.
men can carry STD/STI without symptoms as well. some men with Ghonorrea have no symptoms while Chlamidya also shows no symptoms in 50% of men affected. Herpes could be dormant for more than 5months or have very light unseen attacks.
even when there is no symptoms, a carrier can still infect a partner and this is why an adult person should have twice yearly checks even if they feel healthy.
if either one can prove to a negative health check, it will never be sure who gave what to who (as if it really matters right now)

It still doesn't mean people shouldn't give him the benefit of doubt though. From earlier replies it seemed there was no way in hell his girlfriend could have infected him. They didn't even ask for facts like was it safe sex during the player days or the sexual life of the girl in question before they met. Jumping to hasty conclusions and wishing death on the poster is NOT RIGHT.{thank you for acknowledging that }

Apology for what??
Will the apology eradicate poverty or hunger?
Apologies don't promote good governance. Infact they're useless to the average nigerian!

Scientific studies have shown that women on the first day of their period show disturbing signs including beastiality. Some have been known to masturbate their dogs. While others {like the poster] in addition to masturbating invite bingo to lick up the menstrual flow. They are so cheap that they prefer a dog lick-up to investing in a little sanitary pad, hence their love for the beasts.

Guys please give her some space, this is a passing thing and it'll be all over in 5 days. . .
{my condolences to the dude who'll stick his di.ck into that cess-pit of dog saliva you call a pu.ssy} 

What! Are we zimbabwe??
We MUST NEVER get to the 5000 naira note. NEVER!

What's your point?
The deadly effect of a poison can range from immediately to a few years. In the case of the latter, the ingested poison causes some damage to internal organs or systems. The body is able to compensate for a while but in the long run the person dies due to the complications. Allahu akbar.

How sad for the poor girl. . .

Whats with the conspiracy theories? She should just let MJ rest in peace.
Who would wanna kill him anyways??