₦airaland Forum

kola oloye:
Do you know the reason for the new testament?

I don't give a f.uck! as long as the old testament is there.

horse703:
how is it  a factor of evolution please? does that mean over a billion years because of adaptation and natural selection a new species that is not man will be formed, if so how do u predict they will be, will they have wings, four legs for better balance, five eyes that has a 360 degrees view, tough skin that cannot be pierced by anything, because these are phenotypes that will certainly be advantageous wont they

I don't know what humans might evolve to, we might not even evolve at all, it depends on the enviroment and how it changes. Situations that call for adaptive measures precipitate evolution.

Some people actually believe humans won't evolve again due to technological advancements. Nowadays almost every child survives even the weak ones, nullifying the effects of natural selection. Even now biological adaptations are almost impossible coz we now technologically modify our environment to suit us instead of our environment modifying us.
It's things like this that make human evolution less likely.

noetic2:
when did u become an evolutionist?

I'm not. I'm just trying to explain the theory to the guy.

horse703:

the fact is how can a single celled amoeba just start mutating into a totally different species, which obviously has better physical attributes than it previously had, then the mutations that occur shuld be 100% helpful and frequency of reccurrence shuld be very high shuldnt it?

i keep telling this is an extremely slow process taking tens to hundreds of millions of years not magically or immediately like you assume.

GEW:
your medication don finish again.  why you no go do likewise.  yeye fowl.

Idiot are you denying it?
I suggest you go through your old testament. slowpoke!

horse703:
atheists, some mutations occur because of adaptation, for example, somatic hypermutation, which is a way your immune system adapts to new foreign materials, this does not mean over a number of years i wil change into a new species does it?

It means if such adaptation can be passed along, some of your future generations might have that same adaptive ability to combat such foreign body. Passing that adptive trait to your offspring is a factor for evolution.

horse703:
[b]
tudor first of all, genetically modified crops donnt mutate on their own, those mutations they go thru are induced by scientist and it is not the crop that decides to mutate. this they can do in some organisms as well, go check wikipedia for the process. [/b]So wht u r saying is the fish decided to mutate a leg because it didnt have one, is that it? that boils down to magic i think, dnt u.

If the mutation process can be replicated in the lab it definately means it can happen in nature. So you wanna tell me during creation god created the water resistant rice in the north of nigeria and then created the other types in the south? Some cows are known to be naturally resistant to trypanosomiasis without vaccination. Even bacteria  now develop resistance to penicillin and other antibiotics and pass off that adaptive ability to future generations.

u wer saying something about a cycle, well tudor, if u wer to go live on a mountain, after sometime yoyr heart will gget  bigger, u will posses more red blood cells, your legs may become shorter because of climbing, these may be passed on to offspring, tudor this is not evolution, its called adaptation. U dnt  suddenly decide to grow wings do u, so u can fly up and down yr new home. adaptation is something every human goes thru to cope with environment not evolution.

Like i said you do not have a good understanding of the evolution theory. Natural selection in which the strongest (those that can adapt better) survive and pass on their characteristics to their offspring. The better equipped for survival of this next generation reproduce passing on their xteristics.These series of adaptive changes that occur and passed along from generation to generation with the adaptive structures becoming specialized and improved over time constitutes evolution.
In simple terms the changing environment leads to natural selection of the adaptable members who pass on their charasteristics to the next generation and as the cycle continues the adaptive structures become better and more specialized .{let me reiterate that this cycle takes millions of years not overnight like magic} In other words adaptation drives evolution.

banom:
Davidylan, i have always liked you,but i must confes,i am now in love with you, unfutunately, i am a guy, but i dont know if you will be intresred ,i have a very beautiful younger sister there in America, if it will intrest you, i will offer her for marriage to you, Your list is quite impressing,

I am very happy the list of fraudlent pastors came from you, if the list had come from banom,Tudor or huxley etc, some sily nairaland christians would have called us all sorts of nasty names,

I guess your action now qualifies you to be called Atheist or God hater.

Just watch out for my next post  HOW TO DECTECT A FAKE PASTOR

banom where have you been?
We eagerly await your exposé on how to detect a fake pastor. These jesus goons need your direction.

kola oloye:
Good morning my dear.This is about the truth  you need to know.
Mathew to revelation testament,it will give you more understanding of JESUS.
BRB

No thanks, i prefer reading from the OT where he commanded the isrealites to commit murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing in addition to looting, stealing lands, human sacrifices, slavery, rape and forced marriages. I think that gives me a better understanding of who jesus is.

debosky:
Sneijder for just £15m?? I would be shocked if Madrid do such a thing. . .a price closer to £20m would be realistic, and of all the midfielders they currently have, Sneijder is probably one of the few that can play alongside Kaka and Ronaldo without altering his position.

I don't think things have cooled down really - we will have to see how much of their expenditure Real is looking to recoup by selling players.

Apart from Real and City, it has been a generally quiet transfer window, with most clubs making loud noises to scare off Real from their top players and City offering astronomical wages to try to attract the best talent.

Come August 31st, I wager Chelski will still be stuffed full of geriatrics and none the wiser. 

Blah blah blah blah blah blah
what gibberish!

debosky:
Sneijder for just £15m?? I would be shocked if Madrid do such a thing. . .a price closer to £20m would be realistic, and of all the midfielders they currently have, Sneijder is probably one of the few that can play alongside Kaka and Ronaldo without altering his position.

I don't think things have cooled down really - we will have to see how much of their expenditure Real is looking to recoup by selling players.

Apart from Real and City, it has been a generally quiet transfer window, with most clubs making loud noises to scare off Real from their top players and City offering astronomical wages to try to attract the best talent.

Come August 31st, I wager Chelski will still be stuffed full of geriatrics and none the wiser. 

Blah blah blah blah blah blah
what gibberish!

Na.com is just a 16 year old gir in glascow. Those of you offering her a job should wait 4 more years.

back2back:
you are stilling dodging the question:

The blame is for things that happened before/during the action not what you did after the action.

why US did not blame itself for 9-11?

if you dont know the answer. Leave it.

Spare us the BS abeg!
The answer to your question has been given by several people and you pretend not to see it.
It has been stated THE US BLAMES ITSELF FOR THE BOMBINGS AND HAVE LEARNT FROM THEIR MISTAKES!
Stop cycling around and repeating the same questions like a 2year old kid. There's a section called forum games, i suggest you go there and play.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=13395.msg4182428#msg4182428 date=1247548754]do Nigerian atheists expect some kind of prize for what they term their "intelligent analysis of the non-existence of God"?

They want people to worship them and do they expect special treatment?

One of my friend's relations who was an educated atheist, married a woman who barely graduated high school. And who was a heavy white garment church goer. The aladura type. She should be a prophetess by now because she was that committed.[/quote]What kind of stupid questions are these??
Has any atheist ever asked you to worship him/her or accord special treatment to them? Where did the issue of prize come from?
See it's not by force to post in any thread. If you've got nothing sensible move along! Don't be saying the first rubbish that pops into your head.

What the hell is all these nonsense

This Abuzola is a slowpoke. He doesn't even understand the thread and he's so eager to jump in an spill crap. What a pity!

back2back:
desist from calling others names!

answer the question if you can.

Why is US not blaming itself for 9-11??

Are you blind? Have i not answered the question already?
Your anti-western prejudice is well represented in your myopic view points.

Let me reiterate that internal enquiries and investigations were done after the terrorist attacks and recommendations were made on how to prevent such mistakes in the future. This has lead to measures like banning metal cutlery in planes and more sophisticated screening at airports.
This we see everytime, whenever a mistake is made in the public sector, there is an internal probe, erring officials lose their jobs and measures are taken to avoid such mistakes in the future.

Now why can't africa learn from its mistakes? Always blaming the west for everything!

I'm a full blooded capitalist, the private sector should be allowed to run everything from oij to electricity to housing.
Basic education and health care should be free. While higher education and secondary healthcare be subsidzed.
As for the terrorists in the niger delta they should be negotiated with while the criminal elements amongst them should be killed.
I am also for the death penalty!

back2back:
last time I checked.

Why is US not blaming itself for 9-11??

why is UK not blaming itself for July London bombing?

what a slowpoke you are.
There were enquires and measures where taken to avoid such mistakes in the future. Why has africa not learned from it's mistakes? Always blaming others instead.

What a stupid thread.
If obama wanted oil he'd have gone to angola or nigeria. The oil discovered in ghana is not even as much as that in akwa ibom state.

The lady was right!
Nigerians are theives and it's nothing new.
Do you expect her to lie because she be diplomat?

It's some usless sharia bullshit.
What a bunch of moronic fools those islamic fundamentalist are!

Your pastor is responsible.
In a recent study it was shown that 99% of men of god are kleptomaniacs, the rest are homosexual rapists.

What are all these morons for allah talking about?
My posts are being deleted in the useless islamic section as we speak.

The same tricks t.b joshua and co. Use in nigeria. When will these fools be arrested?

Thank you! Thank you!

Who is the coward who deleted my reply to olabowale?
What is the meaning of this? We are in a discussion and i reply some slave of allah decides to delete my post. Which rules did i break?
Alrite start discussing with your deluded selves!

JJYOU:
[size=28pt]RESTITUTION:[/size] A bitter pill to swallow!
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A restituted personRestitution is an act of putting right all things that were wrongly done or acquired illegally. In some Christian religion circles, it is emphasised that a polygamist must stick only to his first wife, thereby relinquishing others. How easy is this perceived spiritual mandate to those concerned? Ask Olu Osunde, Biodun Muhammed and Modupe Okusanya. Christians.

Faith cometh by hearing says the bible. It is a rare privilege and special grace for a lost ship to gradually give attention to the voice of the shepherd and progressively retrace his step.

[b]Notable men of God like Brother Kumuyi, Bishop Oyedepo, Pastor Adeboye and many others [/b]have stressed the importance of restitution as emphasised by the holy bible. However, since we cannot but choose one out of the many definitions of restitution as drawn from the bible, we shall make do, in this case, with that of Pastor Enoch Adeboye, the General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God who defines restitution as follows: “Restitution is an act of putting right, what has been done wrongly, restoring what has been taken wrongly and repairing or giving an equivalent to loss or damage.restitution but added “This is a very important step for every believer for a clear conscience and good testimony.”

Brother Abraham, a newly converted Christian could simply be described as someone who truly listened to the word of God, meditated on it and practicalised it. He was once a drunk, fornicator as well as a liar and an examination fraudster.

However, Brother Abraham secured favour in the sight of the Lord as he was led to Christ after a miraculous encounter. As the young man was trying to build his personal relationship with God by meditating on his word, he subconsciously glued his attention to the bible book of Leviticus chapter 6 verse 2-5 which states clearly that lying, cheating, deciet, robbery and other vices are wrongs which should be made right by way of restitution. The story of Zacchaeus who promised to give back all he wrongly acquired in multiple fold in the book of Luke chapter 19 verse 8 also came running across his mind. He then concluded that if restitution could feature prominently in the old testament as well as play a key role in the new testament, then it needed to be taken seriously.

The youngman, who was then almost completing his study in a university, threw his ordinary level WAEC results away as he said he cheated to make the papers. He returned to his secondary school and started the process all over again from Senior Secondary Two, (SS 2).

He was called various unprintable names for his decision but today, he’s a lawyer who is fervent in the lord.

Glory be to God that Brother Abraham could do his restitution without any scare over his decision. However, Pa Alfred was not that lucky, the only consolation, which is of great importance, is his assurance of salvation as he paid a price that could devastate and make a man to burn-out. The man carried his cross and created a vacuum that no mortal man could block. Here is the simple story.

Pa Alfred was 60 when he accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour. He had acquired four wives before then and the church elders advised him to let go the three wives he married after the first wife. The wives and their children were suddenly detached from their loving husband and father. The first wife was really no longer with the man again as had they separated for long. Pa Alfred is now a bachelor as the bible does not give him the chance to remarry since his first wife is still alive.

God is faithful to his word as he is no man that he can repent. He is not God of confusion despite some situation get too difficult to be explained except by God’s spirit.

Tribune Church’s finding revealed that in some cases, restitution could looks difficult if not impossible, for example a number of men were asked, "how would you react if your friend says he was sleeping with your wife until now that he has repented." We got frightning responses and we shall use Bro. Sam’s response as a summation of them all since they all spoke almost the same way “Only God would tell if that friend would leave my house alive,” says Bro. Sam.

With the seeming dilemma at hand, Tribune Church approached church leaders for their views on restitution, when and how it could be done.

Pastor Chris Godsent of the Deeply Covenated Family (A.K.A Life of God Evangelical Church) said “restitution is doing thing you had earlier done wrong well. Showing that you have truly repented by revisiting all those things you did wrongly with a view to making amendment. Zacchaeus was a tax collector and when he met Jesus Christ and he was assured of salvation, nobody forced him to say he would repay everything he had wrongly taken from any man in four folds.

“A very clear thing about restitution is that in some cases, you must be strongly backed by the spirit of God to act less you pay heavily for it. If the spirit of God leads you, no matter how delicate the case may look, He will back you up. For a former armed robber to go into a family to say he killed their bread winner would need the leading of the Holy Spirit.

“I believe restitution is one of the things that a new convert should be taught so that such a baby Christian could mend his way."

“Leading someone to make restitution requires that the pastors are deeply involved with the help of the holy spirit so that blunders are avoided. In some highly delicate cases, restitution could just be setting your conscience free before God by confessing your sin genuinely and begging for forgiveness. Like the death of Stephen, Saul was behind it all but when he repented, he did not go to the people of Stephen but placed his focus on God, his conscience did not condemn him.

In his own contribution, senior Apostle Michael Ogundana of the Holy Light of God Church, Aladura, said “While the case of Zacchaeus is a good example of restitution that should be emulated by Christians, It is not in all cases that a man can get the person he has done wrong against.

“We are under grace and so, one may need to just focus on God in true repentance. Tell me how a police man who has taken N20 from countless motorist would pay back. If he has the money to pay, can he get all the drivers? Zacchaeus had an opportunity that may not be available today because he could identify the people he did wrong against.

“I must also let you know that the cost of restitution could be so high that one is not able to pay. If you marry more than a wife and you have to restitute by cleaving to your first wife, the bible demands that you don’t just send the other woman or women away.

“You have to settle them well so that they don’t suffer. If a woman goes prostituting or she commits other sinful acts as a result of the failure of the man to settle her well as part of restitution, the man is still a sinner.

Talking about restitution which involves restoring or repaying losses in a way that makes amends, one question that comes to minds is, does the bible teach that restitution is necessary? However, going by the law of God in Exodus: 22:1 it says, If a man shall steal an ox or a sheep or kill it or sell it, he shall restore five oxen for an ox and four sheeps for a sheep.”

Also in Leviticus 5:15, the bible emphasises that; if a soul commit a trespass and sin through ignorance in the holy things of the Lord, then he shall bring for his trespass under the Lord a ram without blemish out of the flocks with thy valuation shekels of silver after the shekel of the santuary for a trespass offering and he shall make amends for the harm that the halth done in the holy thing and add the fifth part thereto.” Therefore, going by these scriptural refferences, we can boldly say restitution was something that was required under God’s law in the old testament.

But was restitution practised in the new testament which bible schoars reffered to as the dispensation of grace, where we are not more under the law but under grace.

However, Zacheus in Luke 19:1-9 told Jesus he would repay four times what he had taken dishonestly. Jesus did not ask or command him to do so, neither did he stop him from doing so. Can we then say the tax collector, Zacchaeus' actions was in obedience to the Jewish Law of God.

Jesus said by faith alone we are saved - Ephesians 2:8-9 “for it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.’ Going by this scripture, one can deduce that even though restitution is still a valid thing and something that is and was required under the Jewish concept of God’s law, both in the old testament and in the old testament respectively, yet restitution is a “work” or “an action” which may not necessary lead to being saved in Christianity.

Also, from Zacheus’ example, restitution can be said to be a personal thing between us and God. Immediately he had an encounter with Jesus Christ (salvation), His Spirit began to speak to him concerning things in his life that he had done that he needed to set right; what a wonderful pattern to follow.

Restitution is part of repentance process but the beautiful thing about the two is that one has been accomplished and the other puts into action, what has been accomplished.

According to Rev. Fr. Patrick Ekpada (OCD) of The Carmalite Fathers Community, Ibadan. Restitution is a kind of amendment made for one’s sin(s) after confession in the catholic church. It is like a payment made for damages done. In the Catholic church, restitution is a necessary condition for absolution from sin after confession. However, it is weighed against the gravity of the confessor’s sins.

Usually, the practice is to ask the person to recite certain prayers in the church such as The Lord’s Prayer and the ‘Hail Mary’ as restitution.

The priest can also ask the person to make amendment by returning an items stolen in the case of a theft.

The person making restitution may do this himself or have it done through the priest or any other person as the case may be. Care must be taken not to jeopardise the interest of the person in question.

However, he opined that not every sin can attract restitution. Speaking further, he buttressed the church’s view on restitution with the encounter between Zacheus and Jesus Christ in the bible where the former vowed to replace all that he had acquired unjustly or extorted from the people over the years in four fold, Luke 19:8 - And Zacheus stood and said to the Lord, behold, the half of my possession, Lord, I give to the poor, and if I have taken anything from anyone by false, accusationl, I restore four times as much. He added that the practice is sanctioned in the old Jewish tradition as recorded in the old testament where sinners were made to pay for their sins in two fold.

Recently, the General Overseer of Evangelical International Gospel Church, Archbishop Abraham Oyelakin Oyeniran held a revival of restitution in Seme border between May 22 and 31, 2009 setting, albeit inadvertently an agenda for another controversial discourse.

Defining restitution, he said, “it is the act of making right what is wrong particularly in your day-to-day life activities.

He added that “those who have sinned through stealing, armed robbery, lying, fornication, adultery, fraud, polygamy, bigamy, homosexualism, must do restitution to qualify for the end-time retreat.”

By Bishop Oyelakin’s definition and the vices listed, there appears not to be a clear disparity between restitution which in practical term must be done at the instance of a priest and a mere plea for forgiveness of sin which most times is discreetly carried out. This is done on daily basis, according to Bishop Oyelakin.

What appears most difficult is the moral constraints associated with the demand often made of an intending pastor especially if he is a polygamist. By restitution, such to-be priest must discard his excess wives and hold on to the very first one as his legal wife. The practicability of that no doubt, puts the Christendom in a tight corner, raising the question as to why God

Why am i not suprised. . . . JJYOU supporting holy criminals like oyedepo and adeboye calling them "notable men of god". JJYOU i always knew you were a criminal in disguise.

davidylan:
aww isnt it so easy to cop out with such a trite untruth?

I didnt say evolution was wrong . . . infact i believed you fools who constantly bleat about the NAS. I just want you to confirm it for me.

AS regards scientific evidence for creationism . . . sure . . . the minute i get the scientific proof for evolution i'll be right there to provide mine. [/b]At least 1% of the NAS members hold it to be true.

davidylan why are you being a coward remember the scriptures

For God has not given us the spirit of [b]fear but the spirit of POWER, spirit of love and a sound mind

You a deluded goon of jesus do not even display any of those characteristics {more evidence the bible is crap].
Why are you scared of us common unbelievers? Where is the sound mind promised by jesus?
You are embarassing jesus with your shameless dodging.
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR CREATION? [quote][/quote]

bindex:
What is this foolish slave of allah saying? Bleep allah and mohammed deluded slowpoke. What is this FOOL saying about every man born complete? Do you know what they call birth defects? So many people have been born with one eye, some born blind, some born with both reproductive organs, some born with out complete limbs or extra limbs etc. Do you know that there are case where some humans have been born with a tail? How has the nonsense creation account written in the koran helped man in better understanding the world? Idiot.

AMEN to that!!!

How many have seen jesus face to face anyway?
You see them drawing a white jew wearing white robe like they all know what jesus looks like.
They usually forget to include saw and hammer in their diagrams since he was a carpenter. . .

ifele:
Becos robbers are using okada to effect robbery does not mean we should ban motorcycle ownership.

We can produce tuk-tuk or 3-wheellers or import them. Instead of using okada on which 2 or 3 people are going

groin to groin on one seat. When foreigners see us doing 2 or 3 on a motocycle what do you think they are

saying? We have to provide sensible solutions to problems.

Who cares what foreigners are saying?
Are they the ones feeding us??