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davidylan:
what a joke. I give up . . . get us someone who actually knows what he's talking about pls.

Can anyone make any sense of the above? I cant.

Yes indeed. . .that usually happens when you ignorantly claim miller disproves abiogenesis. Pssft

davidylan:
lol just goes to show many here are indeed blockheads. Stop citing "experiments" you havent studied!   You only end up looking like idiots . . . poor cryptic, he just didnt know how to frame his argument.

Ironic, giving that cryptic was the one who cited miller isnt it?

1. Abiogenesis is life from inanimate matter - unfortunately for you fool . . . Miller's experiment was the FIRST REAL (and only so far) attempt to prove that precursors for life (amino acids and proteins) can be created from inanimate stuff. So i wonder what your ignorant "go figure" comment is meant to suggest.

Yes indeed and my go figure comment was left for you to go deduce just how miller can be said to disprove abiogenesis like crypt claims and obvuously you too.

2. To claim that you have no idea of who Oparin is, that is just mind-boggling. On what basis then are you arguing abiogenesis? He was the first person to seriously postulate that in a text he wrote in 1924. Do you folks have any idea of what you post at all?

So what? Oparin was the first to postulate the idea of life from inanimate funny how you abandoned that and ran around to claim his postulations didnt involve water like that matters for anything or the components of his ''organic soup'' are the set rules in science for the early earth.

The important thing here is Life precursors from inanimate(abiogenesis) water or not which Miller demonstrated. To go around claiming miller disproves abiogenesis is silly.

davidylan:
Actually the joke is on you ignorant babbler. Cryptic was DEAD RIGHT! Miller's experiment is a serious blow to the abiogenesis claim. This claim was first postulated by the Russian atheist Oparin who claimed that the begining was a warm oceanic soup from which life originated.

Miller's experiment contained water . . . unfortunately formation of peptide bonds REQUIRES the elimination of water!

Dumb.

What is this


What is abiogenesis?? Since when did oparin's or whatever's postulation serve as a thumb rule for any study in abiogenesis

Abiogenesis has to do with life from inanimate matter. Go figure

oparin ko oprah ni.

davidylan:
all of a sudden you're being challenged as to the veracity of an experiment you took the last part of 2 pages to defend you no longer think you give a damn? Disgusting . . .

what then was the relevance of this?

lol what a joke we have on this forum.

Unfortunately for me, that quote was made on the assumption that you indeed READ before posting.

Only an ignoramus would cite miller as an argument against abiogenesis like cryptic did .


Whatever miller did or did not do, it doesnt disprove abiogenisis like cryptic claimed and even you cannot deny it.

Joke indeed.

davidylan:
its interesting that you make so much noise about this "experiment" and have YET to produce just one line of evidence on why it shld be taken seriously. Many of you are simply unintelligent name-droppers. The fools who drool after you probably have no clue who miller or urey are. . . they just see you post names with false confidence and then label you "smart".

davidylan:
its interesting that you make so much noise about this "experiment" and have YET to produce just one line of evidence on why it shld be taken seriously. Many of you are simply unintelligent name-droppers. The fools who drool after you probably have no clue who miller or urey are. . . they just see you post names with false confidence and then label you "smart".

Yea, if you indeed READ before you post like you were bellowing earlier you'd know miller was brought up by Mr cryptic himself like that had anything to do with me. He even claims to have performed the experiment. Do you think I give a damn??

Funny enough you claimed to have gone back and 'read' posts. . . Adjust your glasses abeg

davidylan:
Bogus nonsense. there is no point debating clueless pple like you who just jump on the bandwagon of science you dont understand just to be seen to sound intelligent. The miller experiment is bandied around only by frauds like you.

*YAWN*
Yea well suit yourself. . .you can write a scientific paper on the 'fraudulent' nature of the miller-urey's experiment who knows, you might get a prize. Pssft

^^
lol
first nuclearboy opined its god now you think its satan.

Octopus don suffer oo

Omo, you guys are just the best!

emiwanlee:
Tudor is too Dull and and he or she is a nonentity of the highest repute.
Just let me get your number if u will not die 2nite

Noetic, where are you

Help me pls ooo

davidylan:
what did miller-urey's experiment prove?

David, surely even you will admit miller-urey showed that amino acids can be produced from inanimate matter?

Surely it has its drawbacks but it suggests abiogeneis is possible and with further research, who knows, we'll get there.

MackDealer:
@Tudor

I never said I wanted to help anybody, you the holier than thou that the needy have contacted to save them from con men called pastors hence my advise for you to start your own movement to help them. Put your name out there rather than hide behind a silly id called Tudor.

Since you are smarter than most of the gullible christians in Nigeria that is been conned by these pastors please be bold enough to do something thangible about it under your own real name where the real audience that actually needs the education will get it from, not in a forum made up of 80% of people who don't even live in Nigeria

Mr, i repeat, if i told you what I do to help nigerians how would you verify?

Do I need to start a ''movement'' before I can impact people?

It just goes to show your own narrow mindedness. Everything to you people is start a church.

I repeat, I still dont understand the beef behind your outburst.

MackDealer:
@Tudor,

I have asked you twice now, what efforts have you made or making to educate Nigerians? What have you done to better the life of anybody around you?

Again it's easy for some of you to hide behind a simple user name in a forum and call people you don't even know all sorts of names.

If you are as smart as you are trying to show on this forum why not go form your own movement to educate people. The irony I see in this thread is that most of the people that tries to sound smart and actually the dumbest including crptic and the other guy trying to defend these men.

Again it's simple if you don't like what is going on in the church in Nigeria DO SOMETHING THANGIBLE ABOUT IT OR JUST SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr, i dont understand why you are haranguing me.

If I tell you how I help people around me, will you be able to verify?? I dont con people into parting with ttheir money and enrich myself, i do my own deeds with my own tote.

My posts on NL and the posts of a few others on the Religion board go a long way in educating people and exposing the scams of these criminals called pastors.

I frankly dont understand why you are ranting or the grouse behind your post. Why not swallow your own pill and go help nigerians in your own way. Ssheesh

nuclearboy:
We all are the expression of our source/background, Tudor. Change your name if you like but you'll still be your Parent's offspring. We are offspring of a Creator and unlike you, choose not to lose that identity. I express my faith and have no issues with you expressing yours. Your rush to discredit and ridicule, funnily, suggests the opposite of what you state.

FYI, I'm talking God not bishop oyedepo. [size=3pt]atimes,one wonders if you two didn't have an affair the way the dude gets to you. did he ____ you, then dump you?[/size]  

Is this your way of justifying why every christian should be an octopus gambler and run a football match fixing racket coz I dont get your gist here.

cryptic:
And I promise not to waste my time replying to your posts anymore as I realise that I have lost a lot in the course of my doing that. My time, Energy, everything.

cryptic:
Talking about first degree. I got my first degree in Micorbiology from the University of Oregon @ Eugene, OR approximately 4 years ago. I am currently running my Post Graduate Degree in Molecular Microbiology and Immunology from Mizzou (University of Missouri) @ Colombia, MO. I am awake because I am writing a paper I need to present on Monday. Like I said, you are just a big fool. Go get a life b!tch.

Oh really??
A molecular microbiologist asks daft questions like ''Why can't clones be made from dead animals/beings ?'' and claims miller-ureys experiment contradicts abiogenesis? I laugh

I laugh. . . I laugh

Run along child. . .dont worry universtity aint that hard. Goodluck in Ife if you get in.

See you in four years kid hopefully then you can intelligently answer my questions and defend your assertions.

^^
You people just had to put god in it didnt you? T'was so irresistible for you folks, right?

The way you people potray god sef I tire. A supposedly ominipotent ruler of the universe has nothing better to do than gambling and fixing football games with an old octopus. I bow for you ooo

Where is Vedaxcool to come compose poems and lyrics against Turkish ''murderers'' and ''bloodsuckers''??

cryptic:
grasping at straws ? What does that idiom mean to you ? Are u sure u know what it means, cause you have been using it inappropriately. You are just a fool, I'd rather not talk to you again cause I am way ahead of you in all ramifications

Really? Lol
awww poor you.
is this you running away??

It figures lol. . .call me back in four years when you get some intelligence and a first degree too lol

cryptic:
I am gonna ask you a simple question b!tch. And you know what ? Don't reply to this post if you can not give me a concrete answer. Can u give me a scientist or maybe an atheist who has been able to manufacture a living entity ? Have u heard of cloning ? Why can't clones be made from dead animals/beings ? Did you know that cloning takes place naturally during reproduction when identical twins are formed in the uterus ? I need you to give me the name of that person who manufactured a "living entity". If you can't do that then you are the biggest fool of the century.

again grasping at straws. . . And you claim to be a ''research microbiologist''. Lol what a disgrace @ bolded

cryptic:
I am quite so sure that you are demented. From your posts, it can easily be pointed out that you are confused. Well, I am gonna answer your questions intelligently and with references. I have proofs that Atheists believe that the world evolved as a result of spontaneous chemical reactions. There are tons of articles out there that can attest to that. Here is one of them, http://creationwiki.org/Abiogenesis. Here is another, http://www.creationism.org/heinze/FirstLife05LifeFmSpace.htm.

kid, you have answed NOTHING intelligently you only copied and pasted links.

Probably when you get into college, they'll teach you about academic and intelligent discussion.

Its obvious you are ignorant and confused which is not a suprise since you're yet to get a full education so its forgiven.

Now, let me spare you further punishment and educate you.
An atheist is One who disbelieves in the existence of god or gods. This is the standard and basic definition of an atheist. Any smart fellow will know that this definition DOES NOT incorporate what atheists believe as to the origin of life or our world, for it is a known fact that there are differing views diverse amongst atheists as elsewhere.

It'll be important to note that even amongst theists and deists there are those who believe in evolution and abiogenesis. There are even christians who subscribe to evolution and the big bang theory!! Does that make them atheists?? NO

So for you to now define atheists as ones who believe in spontaneous generation is both stoopid, ignorant, unintelligent and inherently daft.

I hope you've learnt a thing or two boy.

Your second question. Well, according to Wikipedia, the largest online encyclopedia, Zeus is defined as the King of the Gods in Greek Mythology.Zeus was viewed as a king who oversaw the universe. In Hesiod's Theogony,  he assigns the various gods their roles. In the Homeric Hymns he is referred to as the chieftain of the gods. He is also called the "Father of Gods and men", according to Hesiod's Theogony. That said, what is mythology ? This same wikipedia defines Yahweh as the personal name of God in the hebrew bible. Now, would you say that stories in the bible are mythical ? You would be the biggest fool to even think of saying it is mythical.

Now this is Just sad and embarrassing.

You just went around and copied and pasted (as usual) wikipedia's article on zeus called it mythical and claimed Yahweh is not myth. In other words we are still at the original point we began.

Here are my questions again;

1. Can you give us your own definition of ''Myth'' (you already copied and pasted this)

2. Why do YOU (not wikipedia) consider Zeus to be a mythical character,

3. Can YOU compare and contrast zeus and Yahweh telling us HOW zeus qualifies as myth and yahweh does not.

These are the questions you keep failing to intelligently address. I can only assume you are not smart enough to tackle them

Your folly is leading you to destruction. I am so sure you are frustrated. Now, I took a look at your picture. If that is you in the picture, then G0$H, you can be likened to a pig. I am sure you have had so many heartbreaks. Who wants to be married to a piggy?  And if that is not you, u must be a jerk for saying such a monstrous human being as that thing I saw in the picture is beautiful. I'd rather not even reply to your posts because u have obviously lost your mind.

I'll take this as a sign of frustration. When you ran out of ideas it you started grasping at straws again.

Stick to issues pls and answer my questions above.

PS; I notice you havent ''Proven the existence of Yahweh'' like you boasted you were going to. I think maybe you forgot (again).
I hope it comes in your next post.

And how is this of any importance to the salvation of souls and the kingdom of god??

That letter looks phoney to me

cryptic:
Well, I ain't gonna be intimidiated by one LAMER. I am here to intelligently counter argue your faulty premise. According to Wikitionary, you can take a look aT that here, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/myth . A myth can be defined in 3 ways,
1.A traditional story which embodies a belief regarding some fact or phenomenon of experience, and in which often the forces of nature and of the soul are personified; a sacred narrative regarding a god, a hero, the origin of the world or of a people, etc. 2. (uncountable) such stories as a genre
Myth was the product of man's emotion and imagination, acted upon by his surroundings. (E. Clodd, Myths & Dreams (1885), 7, cited after OED)
3. A commonly-held but false belief, a common misconception; a fictitious or imaginary person or thing; a popular conception about a real person or event which exaggerates or idealizes reality.
4.A person or thing held in excessive or quasi-religious awe or admiration based on popular legend  

Now, from all of the definitions above, take note of the words: Story, belief, experience, imagination, emotion, false belief.
From all of those definitions, I stand to quote that any mythical is legend, a make-believe, false. You defined myth right. So from your definitons what do you consider anything mythical to be ?
Lets now define who an atheist is. You were right when u said atheists don't believe in the existence of God. Now, for you to have a particular belief, there should be some reason, set of reasons why you have such belief. Now, what do you believe in ? You believe God does not exist. Right ? Why do you believe God does not exist ? Now, Atheism is based on skepticism. You might wanna google that.What is skepticism ? You might wanna define that.

I am gonna be back to continue on this. I have got research to do. PEACE

what is this

Here are my questions again;

1. Can you give us your own definition of ''Myth''

2. Why do you consider Zeus to be a mythical character,

3. Can you compare and contrast zeus and Yahweh telling us HOW zeus qualifies as myth and yahweh does not.

You copied and pasted the definition good, that takes care of the first one.

What about the other two??
You have refused to tell us how mthical applies to Zeus and not yahweh.


And what is your rant about skepticism
you defined atheist ''as one who believed life originated from spontaneous chemical reaction'' I called you out on that and told you the standard definition of an atheist which is one who disbelived in the existence of a God. Now you're ranting about skepticism and asking me to google it, do you really know what you're talking about??

Abeg stick to issues and stop riding yourself off-tagent.

Roliks09:
Piece of advice for cryptic:
If truly you are still seekin admission, why not just face how you'll secure one instead of coming here just cos you got ? No disturb us for here o.

cryptic:
You must be the dumbest @$shole for thinking a jambite has been communicating with you all along. Look at the descrepancies. You have very poor analytical skills. Well, for your information, I made that post for my younger brother. If you look at my "posts archive" you will get to find out that I have been a member of NL for a while but did not make a post until today. Technically, what does that imply ? I was online talking to my younger brother and he told me about his predicament. I told him that I'd make my findings. I agree I posted that, but obviously, that couldn't have been about me. For your information, I don't even live in Nigeria. I live in Gobler, Missouri with my girlfriend. I could give you a temporary phone number so you could call to make your clarifications. I am just so sick and tired of your stuck up @$s ranting all over the place. I will be back to counter argue your faulty premise. I could give u my younger brother's phone number too, so u could ask him about it too,  YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP B!tCH

''younger brother'' indeed. Who're you deceiving??

Your ''younger brother'' supposedly in ''Nigeria'' has a problem getting info about admissions into Ife then expects his older brother in ''missouri'' to ''fish out info'' for him. Geez I didnt know OAU had a branch in missouri. Indeed

Anyone reading your post will discern you are NO graduate, I just knew then I went through your posts, voila. Talking about Zeus being mythologhy and yahweh not lol.

Call me back in 4 years when you actually get a degree.

bawomolo:
na i meant u were mean with that statement

No I wasnt. . . I was being serious sha; I didnt see the balls, it wasnt pictured in the pic i saw.

Lol. . . i thought as much.
I knew this kid was just another noisemaker.

Here is a quote from Master cryptic earlier today at the ''jambite'' thread

cryptic:
I scored 264 in Jamb and 161 in Post UTME. Chose Ife as my second choice and Biochemistry as My Choice Course. Any luck ?

lol

From here ; www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-440492.msg6396085.html
then lata today on this thread,
claims to be an aspiring research microbiologist who performed Miller- ureys experiment. . . Do they now do Miller
-ureys experiment in secondary schools?

cryptic:
. . . . .As a research Microbiologist in the making, I was taught, I carried out this experiment myself, that lightning strikes provided the sparks that formed the amino acids which concentrated in an “organic soup,” and linked together to form proteins. . . . . .

Seriously, I cant stop laughing.

Next time when you copy and paste, make sure you modify it small eh, and at least try to understand what the article or paper you're plagiarising talks about.

BTW, goodluck in your quest for admission into university.

cryptic:
Well, all of those non existent figures only exist in Mythology. You are just so messed up. Zeus only existed in Greek Mythology, You claim to be intelligent. Can you please define the word "Myth"? When you are done defining it, then speak further let's see how much of a fool you are. You might wanna google all of those crappy names you mentioned. When you are done googling that, you might also wanna google Jesus Christ, or maybe Yahweh, and see if there is any word like Mythology anywhere on those articles. Goodness!, you are full of droppings.

My goodness!!! Lol,  This kid is a keeper!! Lol. . .

I've never laughed this hard on NL before!!

Zeus only existed in Greek Mythology?? Can you Tell me where Yahweh existed??

Errr, here is the dictionary definition of myth;

myth
▶ noun
1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events: ancient Celtic myths | [mass noun] the heroes of Greek myth.
2. a widely held but false belief or idea: the belief that evening primrose oil helps to cure eczema is a myth, according to dermatologists.

▪ a fictitious or imaginary person or thing.
▪ an exaggerated or idealized conception of a person or thing: the book is a scholarly study of the Churchill myth.
— ORIGIN
mid 19th cent.: from modern Latin mythus, via late Latin from Greek muthos.

Small questions for you kid;

1. Can you give us your own definition of ''Myth''

2. Why do you consider Zeus to be a mythical character,

3.  Can you compare and contrast zeus and Yahweh telling us HOW zeus qualifies as myth and yahweh does not.

I'll leave these three for now, more will be asked when you tackle these two.

Oh, I see you're finally ready to discuss intelligently, welcome.

cryptic:
I am gonna prove to you that God exists. Have you heard of the term Bio genesis ? It talks about the origin of Life.Atheists used to believe that life came into being as a result of Spontaneous chemical reactions. Did you know a scientist performed an experiment in 1953 that greatly challenged Atheists. He showed that passing a spark through a chosen mixture of gasses will form amino acids, the building blocks of proteins which are the main ingredients of living cells. Given an inch, a mile was taken.As a research Microbiologist in the making, I was taught, I carried out this experiment myself, that lightning strikes provided the sparks that formed the amino acids which concentrated in an “organic soup,” and linked together to form proteins. These were claimed to have gotten together with DNA to form the first living cell. Well, if you are a scientist like me, you could counter argue my standpoint. You could tell me amino acids will not link together to form proteins. Evidence that life never arise from non-living materials is so abundant that it is a basic principle of science called the Principle of Biogenesis. Confused individuals, atheists like you, came up with the term refereed to as Abiogenesis. Meaning not Biogenesis. Against Biogenesis.It has not even been included in the list of "coined terms" . Is abiogenesis possible? Not only are proteins never formed in nature outside of living cells, the amino acids from which they are built are of two kinds: Half are called left-handed and half right-handed. Only proteins containing all left handed amino acids will work in all living entities because proteins which contain any right-handed amino acids have the wrong shape and will not connect properly to the proteins around them. It is a bit like when you take a piece out of a puzzle, turn it upside down and try to put it back in where you took it out. It is the same size and shape, but it won’t fit. In nature, all left handed amino acids are only formed by living cells. Amino acids formed in experiments like Miller’s, are half left, and half right-handed so they will not work in the proteins of living things. This is more scientific evidence that life could not form without a Creator. Add it to the fact that in nature, no proteins at all will form outside of cells.  So Tudor, how can you explain the existence of amino acids, the basic entity that gives rise to life ?

this is all cool though wherever you copied it from.

Erm, firstly, An atheist isnt one who believes ''life came into being as a result of Spontaneous chemical reactions.'' as you falsely claim, rather an Atheist is one who DISBELIVES IN THE EXISTENCE OF GOD OR GODS. Therez a difference

That said, reading your post makes me believe you dont know jack about what you're talking about. You have NO idea what millers experiment was all about, if you did, why would you claim, ''Millers experiment greatly challenged atheists''. And I doubt if you really carried out the experiment like you claim

And oh, abiogenesis is a valid study in science and has to do with finding out how life could have risen from inanimate matter.

Millers experiment though having its shortcomings, proved that amino acids (the building blocks of life)CAN indeed be gotten from inanimate matter.

Over the years, several scientists have tried to fabricate the building blocks of life using abiotic methods and some have been successful with certain nucleic acid components.

You see, one thing about science is the continious quest for knowledge and clearer understanding. Religion on the other hand arbitrarily declares that God did it .

The conditions in Millers experiment have been shown to be flawed and might infact not representative of the exact situation in the early earth. Even till today, scientists are still trying to find out the exact conditions at the point of origin of life. This might explain why millers results produced a racemic mixture of D and L isomer proteins. But the ground breaking result here IS THAT FORMATION OF AMINO ACIDS THROUGH ABIOGENESIS WAS POSSIBLE. It isnt farfetched to think that if the exact conditions are replicated we would have an accurate result.

Besides that, you started with the ''I am gonna prove to you that God exists.'' statement, I didnt see where you '''proved'' God exists. Maybe you forgot and it'll come in your next post. Pls when you do, make sure you prove YAHWEH the jewish God of the bible exists. Thanks

tkb417:
asswipe
memorising passages is different from not knowing the bible; your stupidity cannot be quantified
ure certified brain dead

shambolic slowpoke?

hahahahaha

oyinbo repete; why not  chaotic fool

hahahahaha

english is hard

How many goals did cristiano ronaldo score in his last season at manchester united?

Who won champions league in year 1999,  who did they play in the finals and what was the score and the scorers?

You knew those didnt you? Did you need to memorise it?

If you love God like you claim you wouldnt need to ''memorise'' bible passages to know them.

EMPTYNESS only comes from NOT reading the word, if you dont read the word YOU CANNOT KNOW ABOUT GOD and my goodness are you empty.

Insult me all you want, it doesnt hide your SHAME and Hypocrisy.

cryptic:
Your writing skills is even bad. You can't even write intelligently not even legibly. Tudor or whatever you call yourself. You don't wanna start a "word fight" with me because I am simply insurmountable. I am gonna break your bones and feed them to the dogs. I wonder what all of those who gave u kudos saw in all of what you said. You spoke stupidly and your words were unintelligent. Just take a look at your recent post, ponder on it and tell me what you think, FOOL!

LOL. . . This must be eating you up real bad.
''word fight''?? Bear in Mind NOT ONCE did I insult this dude. He totally turned tiger when I asked simple obviously disconcerting questions.
This is funny

He keeps grabbing at straws from, ''writing skill'', to ''fool'', to ''legible'' then ''insurmountable''lol.

I thought you were ''well read'' and know about NDE's and creation??

Here is the quote that turned you loony

Mr your post makes no sense to me. That we have hormones, nerves and bla bla means Yaweh created the world? Why cant it be Allah, Zeus, RA or Chaos? There are pastors who become Muslims or atheists so nothing new have you said. And as for NDE's we are yet to see how NDE's prove god or eternity exists.

Pls intelligently address the issues i raised in that quote and stop frothing at the mouth.

bawomolo:
you are wrong for this one

You saw the balls too??
It must be different pic i saw.

cryptic:
You know something Miss or is it Mrs? Simply put, you are just a fool trying to get attention on here. You are just trying to exude some sorta "Super Intelligence"  Well, for your information you are nothing close to what intelligence stands for. Your words depict how "twisted" your mind is. Well, I would not consider myself to be so intelligent but I am not a fool either. I'd rather not lash out words with you on NL. The bible even said that to some extent folly is contagious and association with a fool tends to diminish our ability to discern truth from error and wisdom from folly. It is written in the book of Proverbs 14:7, Leave the presence of a fool, Or you will not discern words of knowledge. It is also written that A fool is bound for his own destruction, and he will inevitably destroy everything in his path. Those who get in the way of the fool will get hurt. Continue with your folly, and someday soon, you will see the end of those who have chosen the path of destruction.

LOL, this is soooo funny. Typical of dumb christians.

When you present them with facts and challenge their position intelligently, they they call you names and run claiming the bible tells them not to associate.

Lol. When you made your first post blabbing about nervous system and NDE, you didnt know I was a ''fool''. ''Twisted'' and the ''bible commands that you flee'', you were flowing thinking you have arrived. Lol

all of a sudden I ask you simple questions, you begin sweating under the collar and call ''fool'' 8 times in one post then run like a rabbit.

Bye bye, call me when you acquire some intelligence.

cryptic:
I am just so sad that people like Tudor can be so blasphemous as to saying something like"You can tell God to kiss my arse. . . ." It's okay if you are an atheist but please watch what u say about God. There is God. A God that created this world from his word. The things you see around you were created from the things that are unseen. How can you account for your present existence ? Were you brought into existence as a result of "Evolution" or maybe a chemical reaction? The awesomeness of God can never be overemphasized. Taking a look at the Physiological and Anatomical features of the human being alone is going to astound you. How you are able to smell, control your movement, how you are able to think and recall the contents of your memory, how de-oxygenated blood does not mix with oxygenated blood. How hormones work to carry out Homeostasis, how the leukocytes carry out an orchestrated attack against antibodies in your blood stream, have you thought about the network of the veins, how life is being given to every cell in your body ? How every nerve connects to your brain ? Have you thought about life ? Why a man can never be brought back to life when he dies? Have you thought about the irreversibility of death ?  There is indeed Eternity. I experienced something sometime ago that changed my perception about life. I went through an "Out of Body Experience" You sound like U are so learned, so "well read", but have you heard of things like "Life Review", NDEs (Near Death Experiences), OOBEs( Out Of Body Experiences). I could give an account of my "Out Of Body Experience" Did you know there was once an Atheist like you ? A worse one who became changed entirely after going through a Near Death Experience ? His name is Howard Storm. You can google him. He was a well known atheist who ultimately became a pastor after going through an NDE. There is indeed Judgement after life. Every single person that dies, gets to have a "Life Review". I am not saying that these pastors are doing the right thing. The bible even talked about false prophets. Leave Judgment to God. Be careful what you say about God. May God Put a smile on your face

Mr your post makes no sense to me.

That we have hormones, nerves and bla bla means Yaweh created the world? Why cant it be Allah, Zeus, RA or Chaos?

There are pastors who become Muslims or atheists so nothing new have you said.

And as for NDE's we are yet to see how NDE's prove god or eternity exists.