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toba:
Shu biblical basis against an atheist? I laugh. When u accept the bible as reality let me know.
This shows u have personal challenge with Adeboye. The MOG is not been found guilty of any offence by any authority. Yet u basely have been ranting about the man as if u want to share part of the holy ghost service offering


what did u debunk? Do u believe in the scripture in its entirety  as true? if yes i would oblige u your request

Dude it's obvious you've run out of excuses for your G.O as you cannot even provide a biblical example for your skewed view.

I have asked you to do this a million times, we still await that elusive scripture.

Like I said, you've tried. Let others come forward.
Next!

lagerwhenindoubt:
^^^^ it is enough to cause one to sleep out of boredom i tell ya. but i have accepted it. religious zealots are experiencing a psychosomatic condition which manifests its symptoms as obsessively strong attachment to delusional religions assertions on man's existence and the purpose of a GOD. this condition will continue to degrade the victims persona until it is completely eroded and replaced with a zombie-like vessel imbued with virus-like capabilities to spread the same psychosomatic conditions to other susceptible humans. I am fully protected and will continue to fight this plague called Religion. the odds are overwhelming (the infection has ravaged a four-fifths of the known world already)

Its indeed sad bro. There is nothing more pathetic than self deciet.

Look at the fellow making ridiculous nonsensical excuses for a crooked pastor. It takes a great deal to delude ones self to that point of pitiful disgrace.

toba:
u are running out of gas my dear
u like to ask for proof and proof for the existence of God. U seem to believe he exist based on the bolded part of your post which is a confirmation. Better now i may oblige u

Subject to u believing the bible to be true as u did about God above and retract your false claims on it, without hesitation i may oblige u. Without that no deal

*BIG FAT YAWN*

thank you, you've tried. Its safe to say you've got no biblical basis for your belief.

Its a shame that crooks like Adeboye now have folks believing stuff outside the bible at all costs to justify sin and greed.

You had no problems whatsoever bringing pharoah, elisha, the prostitute et al and I debunked them all then all of a sudden , you have 'conditions' before you bring scripture? What a joker

I laugh.

Next please!!

toba:

the present scenario im sticking to is that  God didn't reveal to Adeboye cos of God wanting to expose Akingbola. U ve always said Adeboye should be an accompanist which u are yet to prove that God might have revealed to him about Akingbola's crime

Err, i have told you according to the bible this scenario is IMPOSSIBLE as GOD CANNOT HIDE or TOLERATE SIN from his priests or prophets.

I have asked you to provide scripture that says otherwise. Milleniums later, you are still blabbing around the issue.

Same question do u believe what the bible says about the sin that cant be hidden or would u believe it as true if i posted it and retract all your claims about the bible being false?
What are those things
Totally off topic u say? thats a big lie.  how can u claim to be discussing christianity without talking about believe in God?

U want to discuss christianity in whose God is no existent? does it sound logical?

I dont even understand what is being said here. I guess it's symptoms of lack of ideas.

Anyway, pls provide biblical instances for your claims. Why is this taking forever??

toba:
I laugh again at your little knowledge on display here. What happened in Pharaoh's case. Did God not deliberately hardened his heart for him to be destroyed? WTH is Akingbola if God decided same fate for him?

How does pharoah compare here?
Its a shame you dont find this contradicting.

Going by your scenario, God reveals it to Adeboye and G.O dismisses him from the pulpit and refuses to receive stolen money, God can ''harden'' akingbolas heart will that not still lead to exposure? At least the church will be rid of this vermin of a man and akingbola will still reap his reward.

I repeat, according to the bible GOD CAN NEVER HIDE SIN especially among his priests. I have asked you to provide biblical instances that say otherwise

The if if and if are all probabilities which could have swinged to anywhere no?

Err no! According to christian faith, there are things god will NEVER do like lie or sin.

So, given a list of probabilities there are impossibilities because its said the christian god cannot contravene his nature.

What you are suggesting is An IMPOSSIBILITY according to christianity.

I have challenged you a million times to give me an instance where God allowed such you keep running. Shame

Will it make any sense for u to demand an evidence from what u have concluded is false? answer that guy.
U re told to swear in the court and u claimed not to be a christian and have nothing to do with the bible cause u are an atheist and the bible is non factual. During the trail u make a statement claiming God said it and want it tenable, Has your earlier declaration not rendered your latter claim irrelevant?
What are the million of ways 'god' can use to expose Akingbola? I have asked u which god u are talking about? u said he doesn't exist how come u know there are million of ways for a non existent 'god' can use to expose sin?
Well could only mean that u have studied the God and believe he actually exist



Its no tactics. U cant claim two contradicting things, except u dont want me to take u seriously and assume u are a joker. Will evidence from something u tudor say is false be useful to u?

Frankly, this are just rantings, and totally off-topic

We are discussing christianity here, i have asked you to provide scriptural backing for your claims, you are yet to. Sad. I wonder why its so hard for you.

toba:
Yes it does,except if u read without sense. dont always be in a haste to conclude. opinions are allowed but personal opinion shouldnt be generalised.
nice question.
2eg from the bible.
David did something&the prophet told him of Gods anger, which made david to repent&wrote the popular Psalm 51. in 2samuel 11
The love-peddler in NT, he that has no sin cast the first stone. Jesus ended&said go&sin no more. the angry mob would have allowed the law to take its cause but timely intervention of christ save her.
Back to Akingbola. G.O says for instance the lord told me u re stealing repent&sin no more.Akingbola heeded&returned embezzled funds, adjusted, may be we wouldnt have been discussing it now. Yoruba says won fi se loku oru.

Another tax collector who met jesus&promised to refund loot is also in the NT.
If God had wanted to save Akingbola, adeboye would have been the saving graceLets be reasonable.

Do you see how shameful you are?
In your attempt to conjure up excuses you begin typing anything no matter how sick.

So, in your opinion God didnt want akingbola to repent? So, according to you, God can do anything to prevent repentance. Hmmm, I thought the most important thing to God is repentance of sinners and heaven rejoices when a sinner repents. Mehn its confusing to be a christian lol

If God had told GO and If akingbola heeded Adeboye's warning repented and returned the stolen funds, wouldnt we all be better today? Wouldnt Intercontinental bank, the tax payers, the banking system, the victims and christianity be better off today??

Even at that, This still makes no sense because it'll mean God deliberately Hid the sin of akingbola from G.O. I have asked you to provide biblical support for this.
There are a million and one ways for god to expose akingbola without hiding his sin from his ''prophet''. According to you, God decided to hide erastus so he can be exposed. . .funny. You mean god decided to break his own rules to expose akingbola?

Try again.

which God are u talking about? the one u say doesnt exist or Another one? Answer me since i answered your question above
which bible? is it the one that u said is false or another one? i read through your posts seeing how u ve been critical of the biblical accounts. if i do post would u believe what u said is false?

These are just tactics to side step issues.

I have asked you to provide biblical examples to support your theory. If you wanna talk about my atheism you can open another thread. I wonder why its taking you so long.

toba:
u promised to oblige but u re yet to do so.Rather u re asking questions&basing your post on probality&assumption
when did he began stealing&his theft became known to the G.O?How did the G.O know that he embezzled pples savings? after the G.O knew of his embezzling did he continued to receive the embezzled savings?yes he doesHow do u know? since u believed that no God exist?What if God didnt reveal it to him knowing fully well that God wanted to expose erastus&if the G.O knew, he would have warned him&erastus wouldnt have been exposed? honestly tudor dont u think this could have been the case?u re rightHonestly do u believe in these biblical accounts to be true b4 using them as references?No. this is a probability.

All these make No sense to me as they are just ridiculous attempts to dance around the issue.
So, i'll go to your latest excuse

i refer u to my response again
'What if God didnt reveal it to him knowing fully well that God wanted to expose erastus&if the G.O knew, he would have warned him&erastus wouldnt have been exposed? honestly tudor dont u think this could have been the case?'

Does this make any sense??
How will God revealing to Adeboye prevent exposure?? Are you listening to yourself?

If God reveals to adeboye, wouldnt the righteous thing to do be to report to the authorities and when he does, Erastus will face the law?

So how exactly can God revealing to Adeboye prevent exposure?

Even at that, I repeat to you according to the bible, GOD CAN NEVER HIDE SIN, especially when it has to do with his servants.

I have asked you to provide biblical examples where god did hid sinful behaviour of his prophets or anointed, you are yet to, rather prefer dancing around and repeating the same excuse.

Try again pls.

Men of Dog like Adeboye and Chris feel they have no moral obligation to the victims of this fraud. I cant say i'm surprised.

toba:
What have u obliged since? Jesus asked simple questions have u answered any?

Was it written on the body of the money that 'lo its a stolen fund' ? its the duty of Pastors to investigate financial crimes?

Whats your proof that God did reveal to G.O that erastus embezzled and G.O in turn kept silent?

quit yapping. Here are the questions again;

err, Questions are; why Didnt G.O dismiss him from his pastoral duties as soon as he began stealing??

2. Why was the G.O happy receiving huge sums from Pastor erastus even though he was embezzling peoples savings? Does G.O he not have the holy spirit? Does he not communicate with God??

I repeat; God CAN NEVER hide sin. If G.O was truly a servant of God, god woulda revealed it to him that his close friend and pastor is a thief!

Darkness and light never mix!

And oh, pastor doesnt need to investigate crime. A simple message from the holy spirit will expose all as was seen in the ananias and saphira case and many other instances in the bible.
. Did elisha have to investigate to know of gehazi's misdeeds?? Did peter have to investigate to know of ananaias' lie?

If God didnt reveal to him, then it means G.O isnt a true servant of God. QED
if god revealed to G.O and he didnt dismiss erastus then the G.O is not a servant of god .

either way, G.O is screwed.

Try again abeg.

I agree. . . We are social animals and facial identity is an important aspect of human interaction.

Hiding faces is associated with suspicious behaviour. And allowing this kind of masked individuals around is a security risk.

And only a fool will consider that burqa modesty. There are far better ways to be modest than covering head to toe like a bandit.

Enigma:
According to various things that we have read, heard or even watched him say himself:

1. God once told the G.O. that out of thousands of people present in one gathering only about a dozen or so "would make heaven" if the world ended then.

2. He once invited God to drink tea and his cup of tea became half-full

3. When he is standing at his gatherings including ("Holy Ghost" nights), god is always talking to him there and then e.g. telling him that one person with headache "is receiving healing", another person with bad mouth odour is getting his healing, another one who farts all the time is being restored to her pride etc etc etc ad nauseam

This same G.O., god now refused to tell him that his lieutenants including Akingbola are thieves?? ?? ??

Pull another one!!!!!

abi. . .suddenly when it comes to MONEY, daddy G.O has amnesia. Lol

toba:
U re always the first to insult when u feel others have made ridiculous points now u re doing same

When did it come out to the public knowledge that Akingbola misappropriated other pples money?

Before sanusi became CBN Gov and the investigation conducted, was it written on the monies being donated to RCCG by Erstus that it was embezzled? so that the G.O would now be guilty of receiving embezzled funds?

You confused souls keep going round and round. Well, i'm all too happy to oblige you.

So, are you saying daddy G.O needed the EFCC to tell him his own close friend, pastor and spiritual buddy is an embezzler?? And the funds he recieves from him where stolen??

Did Elisha wait for the EFCC to tell him gehazi had gone and recieved an illegal gift? No! God revealed it to elisha IMMEDIATELY it happened!

God does not and Will not hide sin.
Erastus has been embezzling for years, why didnt G.O know?


Does G.O not have the Holy spirit?
Does G.O not communicate with God

Again what if God had refused to reveal to him that the funds were embezzled who u still ask the same question?

Again, I challenge you to show me in the bible where God hid the sin of a prophet, prophets servant, protege or king.

Where is the biblical basis for your ''belief'''??

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=481018.msg6412575#msg6412575 date=1279557923]1) And you have reliable info that the G.O. didnt take appropriate actions once it was proven that he stole money?
2) What proof have you that the G.O. received huge sums from him directly? For one, if the man is paying his tithe/offering he is not going to address it directly to the G.O., he most probably placed it in the offering bowl and trust me the GO is not going to be trawling the offering basket to look for his offering cheque.[/quote]Erm, pastor Erastus looter was still a pastor even gracing the alter with his crooked feet right until he was exposed as a thief by EFCC. . .punished indeed. try again abeg

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=481018.msg6412473#msg6412473 date=1279557103]why must he be held accountable for someone else's crime? Did the GO tell him to go and steal? Or did anyone hold Jesus responsible for the crimes of Judas Ischariot?[/quote]err, Questions are; why Didnt G.O dismiss him from his pastoral duties as soon as he began stealing??

2. Why was the  G.O happy receiving huge sums from Pastor erastus even though he was embezzling peoples savings?

Does G.O he not have the holy spirit?
Does he not communicate with God??

toba:
Mr woman i ve remained fervent all through FYI

Excuses for who?

U re wrong. what about this from nuclearboy?



As regards G.O's excuse he would be able to answer for himself.

IMO i still believe God may not reveal 'all things to man' There must be some superiority between God and man

Good. Frankly your excuses were just embarassing.

''Believe'' all you want but your belief has no biblical basis. You are just trying to lie to yourself and keep making excuses for these men in your head.

In the Bible, God NEVER hid SIN. God is said Not to like sin.

So, what is G.O's excuse?? Anybody??

Daddy G.O loves billonaires and millonaires. . .  he doesnt care how you get the money. Just show him the dollars!!

He even has a club of millonaires and billonaires who he wants to pay tax to him ''anytime God wants it''.

Daddy AdeJALE forever!!!

Check out the threads below.

www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-307991.0.html

www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-308068.0.html

dayokanu:
My simple question is When would pastor Adeboye and RCCg return to the public stolen money Akingbola and Ibru gave as offering and gifts to church?

Since Akingbola was a key financier of the church, whatever stolen money he donated should be refunded or is the church allowed to gulp down stolen/fraudulently gotten money?

Cos then Ritualists, armed robbers, assasins, 419s should go and donate money.

Pastor Erastus Akingbola, Member of the 40-40 club

Keep dreaming.
Daddy G.O said that the money has been confisticated to be used as ''evidence'' in Erastus' disciplinary hearing in front of them church elders.

toba:
Well in your own opinion which is very relative to u



From my first post on this thread i have condemned Eratus' act unequivocally. My point on the unawareness of Adeboye of erastus' intent is prior to him becoming a pastor or before he was made a pastor.

heres my post again

And this I stood with the pastoral title and not about the sin, which i had condemned

Mr Man, stop zig zagging allover the place.

Are you tired of making ridiculous excuses?

You know quite well nobody is talking about intent or foreknowledge, anyone who thinks so is silly.

We are asking WHY G.O didnt know when Erastus started embezzling and the GO had no problems receiving huge cash gifts from his so-called crook pastor and close friend and you want us to believe he was non the wiser? Does he not have the Holy Spirit or does he not communicate with God?

What is G.O's excuse??

tkb417:
^^^ gerrout of ma face

because of you im going to start attending my bible classes

u cannot fool me

gimme 6-9 months to memorize everyline

when im ready, ill buzz u

Dude, you do not need any classes.
No wonder you are so pathetic in your understanding and being fed BS by theives like Adeboye.

Go to the so-called great teacher himself - Holy Spirit.

toba:
U just displayed little knowledge about God and how he operates with men. I wouldnt blame u much cos u are an atheist
Even at that did adeboye ever claimed to be God?

Many biblical examples abound about how God didnt reveal many things to the prophet. If God didnt reveal it to adeboye, there was no way he could have known.

I will give u a biblical case of Elisha and the Shunammite Woman II Kings 4:

14 And he said,
       What then is to be done for her?
   And Gehazi answered,
       Verily she hath no child,
       and her husband is old.
:15 And he said,
       Call her.
   And when he had called her,
   she stood in the door.
:16 And he said,
       About this season,
           according to the time of life,
       thou shalt embrace a son.
   And she said,
       Nay, my lord,
           thou man of God,
       do not lie unto thine handmaid.
17 And the woman conceived, [she must have believed him]
   and bare a son at that season that Elisha had said unto her,
       according to the time of life.

---

:20 And when he had taken him,
   and brought him to his mother,
   he sat on her knees till noon,
   and then died.

:27 And when she came to the man of God to the hill,
   she caught him by the feet:
   but Gehazi came near to thrust her away.
   And the man of God said,
       Let her alone;
           for her soul is vexed within her:
       and the LORD hath hid it from me,
       and hath not told me.


ITs not all the time that God reveals to men of God

Yes cos God is the only all knowing
Thats your opinion about him which may not be the reality on ground

This is the highest of lame.

Is this the best excuse you could come up with?

Ahhh. . . . Intrestingly, What God kept from Elisha was the womans Problem or heart desire NOT SIN.  your reference makes no sense.

According to the christian faith, God does not like sin especially amongst his prophets or anointed ones.

I challenge you to present a case of where God hid the SIN of a prophet or king or priest from his own true prophets .

tkb417:
NO SIR!!!!!

The principals in the cases we presented only got found out when the actions became public knowledge

God did not know about Lucifer till he started his rebelion.

G.O did not know till EFCC found him out. If God didnt know Lucifer was gonna rebel, how would you expect G.O to know Akingbola was stealing prior to EFCCs investigations

is G.O Central Bank?

as for Adam and Eve, God got to know when they were hiding their unclothedness? why didnt God shout their names when they were about to eat the fruit?  The disciplinary action was after they got found out

G.O got to know after the thing became a public thing and yes, the man was derobed
saying G.O should have known when he was stealing when he isnt the director of banking supervision is erroneous

You see why I say you should study your bible before you think about exposing how little you know of christian beliefs?

I believe this dude VavaVoom has given you the best advice.

Who told Elijah Gehazi had sinned, Efcc?

Who told god satan had started rebellion? CNN?

Who said to samuel, saul has sinned. NTA?

I just laugh.

If you indeed read your bible you'd know immediately[b] KEYWORD HERE is IMMEDIATELY[/b], those men sinned, God informed their principals and they were punished accordingly.

So, again, Erastus had been looting and sharing with Adeboye for YEARS, what is your G.O's excuse??

tkb417:
You dont get it

G.O should have known if he was spiritually sound
God should have known Lucifer was gonna rebel is thats the case

Akingbola got found out by EFCC and hw as kicked away from the house of God
so?

tkb417:
You dont get it

G.O should have known if he was spiritually sound
God should have known Lucifer was gonna rebel is thats the case

Akingbola got found out by EFCC and hw as kicked away from the house of God
so?

NO. Its you who dont get it with your silly excuses.

In all the cases you presented, the principals KNEW AS SOON AS their servants or whatever went astray and appropriate punishments where given.

Question here is Erastus was looting and embezzling billions for YEARS even sharing it with Adeboye, what is your G.O's excuse ??

CarlosVent:
PASTORS NEEDS PRAYERS DATS WHY U SHOULD BE PRAYING FOR THEM.
ANYTIN TEMPTATION CAN COME AND DONT SAY ANYTHING AGAINST D HOLY GHOST WHEN U SEE THEM GO ASTRAY COS D SIN CANT BE FORGIVEN.

ADVICEEE

So, according to you, its the ''Holy Ghost'' that sent them pastors to go and loot?
Coz i dont see how condemning a theiving pastor constitutes sin against HG

In that case, if you see the Holy Ghost, tell him/her/it to refund our money.

tkb417:
Tudor
dont even go there

what about God and Lucifer? are you saying God should have known Lucifer was gonna turn from a super angel to the persecutor of xtians?

are you saying God should have known Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruits?

are you saying God isnt powerful since he couldnt foretell all these

any idea?

according to the story, god threw satan out as soon as he rebelled. God also KNEW adam annd eve had sinned and threw them out. So what is your point exactly?

That Daddy G.O didnt know?
This just begs the question.

tkb417:
So Jesus failed for taking Judas as his discipile?

he should have known Judas was gonna betray him

tkb417:
Pastor AIO
dont be in a haste to post things

maybe you have forgotten that Judas Iscariot was a disciple of our Lord Jesus

oh yeah, Judas was a cog in the wheel of Jesus.

Maybe you have also forgotten the famous Priest Eli in the bible whose children (hophni and Phinehas) not sure of spellings were so ungoldly they were also at cross purposes with what their father was preaching.

Have u also forgotten King Saul?
he was commanded by God not to take the spoils of war and after conquering the war, he took some of the things God commanded him not to take and oh yeah the spirit of God left him

Im sure you can remember what samuel said about the spirit of disobedience

I am not justifying what Akingbola did cos to me, he should be sent to Kirikiri for life for not only defrauding the bank but for also bringing Xtianity into disrepute. My point is, being called a Pastor doesnt guarantee anything and i according to the bible, not all those who call me God will see the kingdom of God. So pls refrain from attaching his evil deeds to The G.O

thanks

I dont really understand your comparism

1. According to the story, Jesus KNEW he was to be betrayed. Infact, it was prophesied thousands of years before he came. Right before the betrayal he informed judas to go do his deed.

2. Who appointed Eli priest? God. And when his sons misbehaved they were punished by god and so was Eli too as he was held responsible for his sons deeds.

3. Saul was anointed by samuel. His heart was right in the begining. But as soon as he messed up, samuel KNEW, condemned him and set on to find a new king.

4. elijah servant gehazi went and collected gifts. Even before he arrived in the presence of the prophet, he already KNEW what went down and Elijah dismissed and cursed him.

Now, pastor Erastus had been looting/embezzling and mismanaging for YEARS. All that while remaining pastor and Adeboye's close spiritual and financial buddy. Somehow it only took the EFCC for adeboye to know his prayer buddy is a thief??

Is that the way its supposed to be?
Its one of two things, either Adeboye knew and chose to do nothing because of his greed or He didnt know at all because he isnt a true man of god.

Either way, it proves he is a crook and nothing close to a man of god.

toba:
@ nuclearboy

Pls dont mix things up.

Is Adeboye all knowing? his he not a man like us? If erastus pretended to be saint and did acted holy before being confirmed a pastor would Adeboye  have known?

I would give u biblical eg of such occurrences

This is lame. . .

Is it not Adeboye who claims to have the holy spirit? Adeboye also claims to literarily eat breakfast of bread and milo with god. The same crook claims to discuss one on one with god when shitting in the toilet.

Now you want us to believe he doesnt know?? Yea rite

isnt it obvious this adeboye man is a scam artist just interested in lining his pockets and has no problem whatsoever appointing whatever crook like erastus to his alter as long as they tithe and offer their lootings to him.

honeric01:
Thank u.

the problem i have with some people is that most of them never knew this man as a "pastor" when he was yet to be caught as a fraudster or criminal, all of a sudden, he's being called a pastor just because he's been caught or indicted. this is where i dislike about some Nigerians and the toothpick media houses.

Was he not a pastor??
Why exactly are you crying?

honeric01:
Thank u.

the problem i have with some people is that most of them never knew this man as a "pastor" when he was yet to be caught as a fraudster or criminal, all of a sudden, he's being called a pastor just because he's been caught or indicted. this is where i dislike about some Nigerians and the toothpick media houses.

Was he not a pastor??
Why exactly are you crying?

^^
Lame excuse.
Why seperate anything??
A christian is a christian and should act like one. There is nothing like titles in the kingdom of god and for your pastor adeboye to give a man pastor because of his deep pockets is just shameful and shows how greedy he is.

And Daddy GOat Adeboye of redeemed was all too happy to receive the stolen funds. . .praise the lawd

davidylan:
foolish. Cryptic said the miller-urey experiment did not validate the theory of abiogenesis . . . you claimed it did . . . why? Why are you shying away from PROVIDING evidence for your claims?

Dumb. I ALREADY DID THIS at least 3 times. What have you shown to prove that Miller's experiment made sense?

this is frankly absurd and unintelligent.

1. you obviously dont know what you're talking about and that is reflective of the poor grammar and science in the above highlighted.

2. Oparin's postulation is what lead Miller and Urey to conduct their experiment.

3. I never claimed Oparin's postulations didnt involve water (again CLEAR evidence you dont really understand this experiment you are bandying around) . . . this was what i said - Actually the joke is on you ignorant babbler. Cryptic was DEAD RIGHT! Miller's experiment is a serious blow to the abiogenesis claim. This claim was first postulated by the Russian atheist Oparin who claimed that the begining was a warm oceanic soup from which life originated.

Miller's experiment contained water . . . unfortunately formation of peptide bonds REQUIRES the elimination of water!

While Oparin claimed the early earth was a warm soup (involving water), Miller designed his experiment to contain water . . . now the formation of peptide bonds requires the REMOVAL of water. That means under both Oparin and Miller's conditions . . . NO PROTEINS could be created!

Arrant Nonsense. Usual tactics by religionists to dance around the issue.

What is the CENTRAL claim of abiogenesis?
Is it not the formation of life precursors from non-life related chemical reactions??

Are amino acids life precusors - YES

was miller able to produce amino acids from non-life related chemical reactions - YES

So, how can miller be said to invalidate abiogenesis??

4. Again you slimy empty-heads suddenly shift to "Oh why shld we think Miller's elements were the set conditions for primordial earth" . . . does that mean you DO NOT believe Miller's experiment?

Er NO. Unlike the dungeon hole of religion science is constantly evolving with new knowledge based on discoveries.

Miller and oparin maybe wrong in their conditions.

But ONE thing Miller did prove beyond doubt was life-precursors CAN be gotten from non-life related chemical reaction. This suggests Abiogenesis is POSSIBLE.

Again a clear lack of scientific reasoning. What does the above mean or convey? Formation of protein precursors would not be possible in water so EXACTLY what are you talking about? Miller's experiment demonstrated that peptide bonds could not have been possible with his conditions (as he got exactly NO proteins in his "soup". So what is this drivel?

@bolded.
Protein precursors are amino acids, no? Did miller not produce amino acids? So what exactly are you blabbing??

He got no proteins in his ''soup'' so what?

Before proteins you get the building blocks AMINO ACIDS.

I still repeat, millers conditions are NOT the set conditions of the primordial earth. Many factors could have existed that aided the formation of the bonds. His experiment might not be entirely accurately representative of the early earth and that might account for the limitation in his results.

Nevertheless Miller PROVED life precursors CAN be gotten from non-life related chemical reaction!! This experiment clearly suggested abiogenesis was possible!

davidylan:
the idiocy here is that while i have shown SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE for why miller's experiment was wrong, you havent. all you've done is simply state this same foolish claim with nothing to back it up.

Which rubbish scientific evidence did you show??
I laugh

We all know your eyes are faulty, no suprise here.